No, im saying that people will be confused why this doesnt play 4K content (even though it says its 4K) much like when people didnt realise why their "HD" TV was running at 720p and not 1080p.

Im saying a 'true' 4K TV starts at around £1,400. That these '4K Compliant' (meaning they meet the bare required minimum standard to be classed as 4K), will be exactly what you pay for.

So merely a warning for people to not expect that John Lewis Showroom experience.

I know, I know, seems foolish sharing experience and knowledge on the website - as most people just like to shoot it down.

So what you are saying is this is not as good as a top end TV worth £2k+

Next you will be telling us that a £50 note is better than a £5 note

If you're going to upgrade from 1080p to 4k, don't bother with these cheap panels, you will only be left disappointed.

Either treat yourself to an OLED HDR 4k, or if on a budget maybe a FALD LED, and if even more on a budget then an edge lit quantum dot, and not these cheap rubbish bottom lit led 8 bit panels (or 8 bit with dithering. )

You will only be kidding yourself that you have a good 4k tv

It's not really that confusing.

The more bits, the more information

8 Bit panel has
256 shades of each of red, green, and blue. Combine the three together, and you get 16,777,216 possible colours (256 cubed)

10 Bit panel has
1,024 shades of each of red, green, and blue. and over a Billion possible colors - 1,073,741,824 (1024 cubed).


An example 8 Bit image



And 10 Bit

I Purchased one for a family member and set it up for them,and I have complaints for the money.

Cheers,just updated the price

​Mate you are confusing yourself and sounding like a complete noob.

True 4K is any TV panel that has a resolution of 3840x2160. That's it. If it has that many RGB pixels on the screen then it's 4K.

HDR is new technology within each individual pixel. A 10bit panel has pixels that are capable of displaying 1 billion different colours.

It is true that many 4K HDR TVs on these "deals" are not true HDR meaning that they can only receive the HDR signal, process it and downgrade it to the 8bit colour pallette.

If someone has Sky Q and wants a 4K TV, then this TV is fine.

Just thought I'd stop you posting this is every thread as it's not correct mate. Please read some good websites like HDTV test, or the professional reviews on AVForums.

Don't listen to uncle nob head in the pub.

Gone down to £569.99!

With the Co-Op now selling this at £579.99 John LEWIS will price match.

You could say the same thing about 4k

Save your pennies and buy the LG OLED55B6V instead :wink:

Some of the reviews of the 55" KS7000 on John Lewis aren't well - https://m.johnlewis.com/samsung-ue55ks7000-suhd-hdr-1-000-4k-ultra-hd-quantum-dot-smart-tv-55-inch-with-freeview-hd-freesat-hd-playstation-now-branch-feet-design-uhd-premium/p/2613450#product-detail--reviews

Thanks for the help guys... might ditch the 3D - don't really use it anyway!! The KS7000 looks goods... I saw a John Lewis link but can't find it now. Want 55 inches!! Currently have a 50" Sony Smart TV.

What does it say on LG website? - although this is also sometimes wrong

I wouldn't trust Currys for specifications though

There is/was much debate about this TV which i lost interest with a long time ago lol, but i think the answer was an 8 bit panel with 10 bit dithering? - LG seems to state it supports HDR10, not that it IS a 10 bit panel.

some panels in HDR capable TVs have 8-bit native precision, or even the bit depth could be reduced somewhere along the processing path

Pass on this one :smiley: - although i would wonder why this TV doesn't have the UHD Premium badge

Sorry to hijack this but how do I know if this TV LG UH850V is 8 bit or 10 bit? Display specifications say 8 bit + FRC, but the info on the curry's site says its a 10 bit panel that supports HDR10?

I went for the LG OLED 65B6V in the end after months of deliberation :smiley:

Which TV did you go for jayjay?

A decent 4KTV will require HDR, i think with a budget of £900 you cannot expect an amazing screen with 3D, HDR, 4K, Smart etc

If 3D is important to you, then you can rule out all Samsung latest TV's, however they offer HDR at your price range, albeit on a budget model TV. It may be good enough for you, but personally i didn't see the point spending 1k on an average 4KTV

The LG is only an 8 Bit panel, but has 3D

What i did was get a 3D projector, then went for the best 4KTV i could buy in my budget without 3D or curved rubbish (an LG OLED)

You need to work out whats the most important here for you, if you're budget is firm at £900 - £1000 then you should choose 3D or HDR. You can't realistically expect both

For a decent 4K TV - still looking at over a grand then?? Lots of differing opinions all over the place.

£900 will get you an excellent HDTV, but a poor 4KTV

Up your budget if you can

Just bought Star Wars force awakens on bluray 3D so it would be nice. No love for the LG then??

Just a note that the Samsung doesn't have 3D (if that matters to you)

​It's not a bad tv. However reviews are slightly worse from Samsung KS7000 model. And as i mentioned above John Lewis has it for 879 to 28.11. So it is better tv within your budget. I have one and it is superb!

Sorry to barge in on the thread but, is this one any good - (http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/lg-55uh850v-smart-3d-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-55-led-tv-10144280-pdt.html) - my budget is £900 mark, I have sky Q and want to watch Spectre and the football in the Ultra HD they are plugging at the moment.

​I can confirm that prices has been dropped even further Samsung Ue49KS7000 cost 879 as for today. Price valid to 28.11

Is there any decent deals on a 65" entry level TV, with decent HDR (maybe Hisense). Looking for a second but having a hard time finding anything.

This thread basically should be a lesson to all not to take the advice of 'experts' without verifying their entitlement to be classed as an 'expert' on the subject first. Some right pearlers in here lol. Anyway, 8-bit heat added. :stuck_out_tongue:

Absolutely shocking TV...stay away

Ok it's not £899 but it's a step in the right direction -

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/samsung-ue55ks7000-55-uhd-premium-979-richer-sounds-2553535

Hope this helps :smiley:

Can only see this @£999 is there a discount code?

I would recommend you visit avforums and buy an OLED from one of the members there looking to upgrade

someone selling a LG 55EC930V there at the moment for £700, i'm sure an offer of £600 would snag it

Will destroy the TV in this thread many times over

What 1080p TV would you recommend in the price range of £600?
Which can display good quality blacks and handle fast motion like football, well?

Ok so you agree with what he said that this is fake 4K TV and it can't play 4K content?

Anyone who thinks that a £600 TV would get them a £2000 image should be asking themselves to why do they sell TV's for £2000.

Plus nowhere have I said in the deal description that this TV will give you the image quality of a top of the range TV.

That said it WILL give you a 4K resolution,so people are no being misled as it is not a FAKE 4K.

Ho ho ho cleverclogs... what he's telling you is you would be spending 600 quid on obsolescence. Just like those people did ten years ago when they bought 720p HD TVs for about this price, only to learn a year or so later they weren't actually the dogs b******s TVs they thought they were, because they weren't 1080p "Full HD" sets.

But if you paid £30 thinking you were getting a £50 note but received a £5 note you'd be pretty annoyed wouldn't you?

LOL you told him straight!

4k is in deed a resolution which actually refers loosely to the number of horizontal pixels.

Plus this is available for £569 on AO.com and five year warranty is more or less irrelevant in my view since Sale of Goods Act gives pretty much the same protection anyway if you are unlucky enough that it breaks before it is obsolete

​They also eat dogs in some parts of China. I wouldn't read too much into what they buy over there.

Yes, in my case also on a samsung TV, (currys) ,dragged on for years but i managed to get compensation from Currys and Samsung in the end plus got to keep the TV despite Currys saying they would collect it.A member on here arranged for the Samsung compensation.Now it seems ..it is all happening again with HDR.

Samsung 55KS7000 or 49KS7000 - just about sub-1000 now for 55". 10 Bit HDR, UHD Premium Certified. Just got this TV the other day, it's awesome.

Top Tip - you need a massive stand as the foot stands aren't the best (so far apart), but they do give the TV a look of floating which is pretty badass.

Lol @ Silhouette. You are basically saying you learned all you know about current generation televisions a week ago in another thread and now you're here trying to educate everybody else by peddling fallacies and contradictions? Good work.

I've pointed out YOUR mistakes and yet you still revert to responding like a fool.

Maybe next time you should just admit when you are incorrect,you know like when you say something and then question to when you said it (post 17 !)

Don't need another TV but heat added anyway as looks like a good deal and JL are the best.

Ooo, sweet burn!

I think you'll find the timings of the deal I posted and the question thread where I was told what to look for correspond well.

Therefore, at first my eyes were closed and now they're open.

But hopefully this conversation hasn't interfered with your school timetable too much.

Enjoy 6th period.

It's all relative from what tv you have come from. I've just upgraded from a 5 year old 46" Sammy to a 55" Sammy (KU6400). Whilst I admit there will be better (albeit considerably more expensive) tv's out there, I think the picture quality + UHD is amazing!

The facts are these: -
- This tv is UHD and can display pictures at 3840 pixels × 2160.
- This tv has an 8 bit panel
- This tv does not display HDR 10
- This tv is a decent price

Thank you. Very well explained.

Can I ask you just one last question,why do you not listen to your own advice ?

As last week you posted a deal for a tv at the same price and said it had top of the line HDR,and that was an 8bit panel,a week later and your telling everyone on my deal that 8bit is now rubbish.

Amazing how things can change in only a week.

I've got a feeling the reason you've got a bit funny is that your deal was a FLOP !

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lg-55uh605v-55-inch-ultra-hd-4k-smart-tv-webos-hdr-8-local-dimming-colorprime-pro-2546178

It's not really that confusing.

The more bits, the more information

8 Bit panel has
256 shades of each of red, green, and blue. Combine the three together, and you get 16,777,216 possible colours (256 cubed)

10 Bit panel has
1,024 shades of each of red, green, and blue. and over a Billion possible colors - 1,073,741,824 (1024 cubed).


An example 8 Bit image



And 10 Bit

​If you are looking to add a little future proofing (and it will be a little as keeping up to date means investing quite often into upgrades depending on how much you care about keeping up with technology) the Samsung ks7000 is widely regarded as a great entry into things to come - it'll set you back around £850. If you are looking for something to set you up for a year or two without breaking the bank, the set you are looking at here is good value vs the price,

I am in the market for a new TV and of course want to future proof but not spend an absolute fortune either (ideally less than £1000). Ideally want 50" or 55" . This 8 bit vs 10 bit is a bit confusing. If I was going for a Samsung or a Sony whats the minimum model I should be going for ?

I'm not sure at what point I said this TV can't play 4K content...

And then everyone digging me out is just reinforcing my point about the differences between entry level 4K TVs and actual showroom/what people think 4K should look like.

But I've noticed who the OP is and hence why you're taking it so personally.

Alas, enjoy your 4K content.

You can't get HDR on that budget. You can get a mediocre entry level 4K.

Panasonic DX700B was the one I settled on for a short while but found out it has poor motion rate and input lag which is important for sports and gaming. There's the LG but that has a light dimming issue that would do my head in. These Samsungs i'm not sure. Probably better than the competition but having seen true HDR i'm going for the KS7000 any day now.

If you have a budget of £500 - £600, you may as well stick with your 1080p TV! - or Buy a better 1080p TV!

There really is no major rush to go 4K quite yet, and certainly not one of these budget range, there is still only a small amount of 4k content, 90% of the time my 4k TV is displaying 1080i or lower.

I've seen so many poor 4kTV's that are worse quality than a good HDTV!

You've got yourself right confused.

A £2k 1080p TV was nearly always better than an £500 1080p TV. There were always different panel qualities, lighting and everything else which had an impact on picture quality.

Unlike 720/1080, a 4K TV can display a 4K picture at the right resolution.

We have exactly the same difference of a £2k TV being better than a £500 TV - because they go for a 10-bit panel which supports HDR. And that's before you get into HDR10 vs Dolby Vision.

What you really should be saying is that the panel resolution is not (and has never) dictated the quality of the picture. We just now have things formalised a bit more with HDR (HDR10/Dolby Vision) and 8/10 bit panels. HDR just means the brightness and contrast can reach certain extremes which are used to give a better picture, which again comes back to having a different (better) panel.

Proper 10bit HDR will make a bigger difference to viewing than simply going from 1080p to 4k.

If you're going from a high end sony set from 4-5 years ago to an 8bit £600 uhd set expecting to be blown away like when you went from CRT, you'll be disappointed.

At least it isn't one of those sh*tty rgbw screens - bigger scandal than PPI.

So after weeks of research you have come to the conclusion that if you spend 3 times as much as this deal on a TV it will have better image quality.

I'm doing research into which is better,a one bedroom council flat or a 10 bed luxury villa.

I will post my findings in a few weeks time.

But it's still a resolution of 4K,and so not fake at all.

As I already said it's the HDR that makes the difference between this and more expensive models,but that's going to cost people significantly more money.

Still confused to why you say this won't play 4K content ? what happens if you try,does it come up on the screen - sorry you need to spend £2k to display this image

Apologies, its £1500 and a Refurb, but still a great price with warranty.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SAMSUNG-UE65KS9000-Smart-4k-Ultra-HD-HDR-65-Curved-LED-TV-/142134087117?hash=item2117da0dcd:g:kDYAAOSwCGVX7oJf

Here's my thread http://www.hotukdeals.com/ask/sony-65-4k-going-back-need-a-replacement-oled-super-quick-suggestions-many-thanks-2546938

Ended up going for the 65KS8000 (you can get the 65KS9000, which is just the same set but curved for £1,400 now).

Its the closest thing to the B6 (OLED) but was £400 cheaper and 10" bigger.

Having spent the last couple of weeks rigorously reading reviews, getting advice and buying my own 'True' 4K TV in replacement of my old 'Fake' 4K Sony TV - I feel I am comfortably up to speed at what to look for

(And what pitfalls to avoid!)

Its all about managing expectations!

Isn't the Hisense M5500 series 10bit?

Thats the problem, it is. Watching a 4K image on this will be the "720p" of 4K. It wont look like the fully fledged "1080p" 4K that you'll see in every demo model of everything being demoed at every store.

I found out the hard way, but thinking 4K was 4K.

If you had a 10-bit panel with no/poor HDR, it would still be noticeably different.

For that 'True' experience of what people are looking for (like the sticky labels on the UHD discs now say) you really need the full HDR colour spectrum of colour and brightness to see the difference.

Its just not worth buying an 'Entry Level' 4K TV at the moment.

I think you are confusing people and yourself between 4K and HDR.

You said it's a bit like the days when people were confused between HD and full HD,that was a difference in resolution,yet this is a 4K tv and it can display display a 4K image,so it is not a FAKE 4K image.

The difference between this and an expensive 4K to is the quality of the HDR,and HDR is not a resolution.

The KS trumps the KU is a good guide.

Like the EG/EF trumps the UF/UF in terms of LG.

Id love there to be a table, sorted by quality, so you can see a true bargain when it comes up.

Because the 8-bit panel cant support it. Yes its "UHD", but you'll see that Samsung do "UHD" (bare minimum) and SUHD, which is their all singing all dancing quantum dot stuff.

Same with LG, they do their 4K LED, but their true all singing is OLED.

My old Sony 4K didnt even have HDR, so it looked 'basic'. I would literally get a scene every now and then that looked alright... but I dont know if that was my mind (or my wallet) making me see extra detail!

So it needs HDR, but apparently there are now varying degrees of that too.

Needs to be a 10-bit panel too. Thats pretty much the two basics to look for.

If you're going to upgrade from 1080p to 4k, don't bother with these cheap panels, you will only be left disappointed.

Either treat yourself to an OLED HDR 4k, or if on a budget maybe a FALD LED, and if even more on a budget then an edge lit quantum dot, and not these cheap rubbish bottom lit led 8 bit panels (or 8 bit with dithering. )

You will only be kidding yourself that you have a good 4k tv

​i get why this isn't hdr 10... but why isn't it 4k (or infact UHD)?

so are there any good deals for the 10 bit panel ones? it doesn't seem to say on the website if they are 8 or 10 bit :neutral_face:

But you didn't say all that,you've only just said it.

So what happens if you plug a 4K blu ray player into this tv then if it doesn't play 4K,and the same goes for a PlayStation pro,and Netflix 4K ?

No, im saying that people will be confused why this doesnt play 4K content (even though it says its 4K) much like when people didnt realise why their "HD" TV was running at 720p and not 1080p.

Im saying a 'true' 4K TV starts at around £1,400. That these '4K Compliant' (meaning they meet the bare required minimum standard to be classed as 4K), will be exactly what you pay for.

So merely a warning for people to not expect that John Lewis Showroom experience.

I know, I know, seems foolish sharing experience and knowledge on the website - as most people just like to shoot it down.

So what you are saying is this is not as good as a top end TV worth £2k+

Next you will be telling us that a £50 note is better than a £5 note

Would this be worth upgrading from a Panasonic G20 plasma.?

Not true HDR I guess?

The HDR 10 bit thing ls like the HD Ready vs Full HD arguments of old!

any one found a decent review for this or at least a close spec one , which I gather would be ku6000? Ive had a look but I'm clearly useless as I found nothing.

Only problem is that the TV is only available in store,which is ok if you have a store that has it in stock and is close by.

Same price at richersounds with 6 year warranty

50 inch one available at Currys for £449-but without 5 year guarantee. Not sure how much difference 5 inches makes(on aTV) but it can't be that much

Good price! This was £650+ not long ago. I personally would not commit to this sort of price of a 4k tv until next year when 4k content is more available (downloads, games, blurays) and the tech is better. Hot for the price though.

8k Ram pack?