Avoid ebuyer like the plague. Nice price - zero customer service

Merry Christmas from ebuyer.

You are wrong to compare drives by sequential read/write and assume multiplication of performance. This is entirely wrong and didn't reflect on the real world performance. Firstly you need to compare conventional hard drives versus ssds and then compare the ssd technologies. Suffice to say sequential read/write performance is nowhere near as important as latency and 4K random read/write. So that's the conventional versus ssd. Then sata versus NVMe means you need to compare queue depth, NVMe annihilates SATA for queue depth. The next question is can a consumer user saturate the queue depth of NVMe the straight answer is generally they can't.

I disagree, been dealing with them for years and years. Returned 2 motherboards and a graphics card that decided to die on me. They were helpful and replaced all 3 without any fuss.

Not only custom but the SSDs in question are just chips soldered onto the logic board. Not compatible in any meaningful way with m.2 format NVMe drives. Any removable blade drives in Macs are either PCIe AHCI or SATA based AFAIK.

4k qd1 is about the same you wouldn't feel a noticeable performance increase unless you have a qd2 or qd4 workload and/or sustained file copy.

Technically Apple do support NVMe SSDs, but only their own custom designed NVMe drives.



http://www.anandtech.com/show/9136/the-2015-macbook-review/8

Would anyone know if this would work in a Macbook Pro late 2013 a1502?
Thanks

It's not bad. I can even game on it with good frame rates. Just too expensive.

I've got a 256gb Samsung 950 Pro NVME drive in my build & it boots from cold to Windows 10 desktop in under 20 seconds. I don't know if a 'normal' SSD would be as fast but I'm happy with mine.

You've got a mac. i wouldnt expect anything great from it either ;-)

No but I bet they could make a good innuendo out of it.

SM961 much better deal IMO

still waiting on the 960 pro

Do you honestly think that the layman on a non-technical forum understands what "saturating the queue depth" means? :confused:

To be fair many people even on this non technical deals forum know that sequential read/write is not the most important factor when comparing drives. Latency and 4K random read/write are the measure of performance. Queue depth is less important as most consumer users can't saturate the queue depth with their workload.

Most people aren't that informed about tech to be frank. Quoting only sequential speeds is like describing a car purely by its top speed and 0-62 figure when clearly even when looking at performance you have to look at handling and breaking.
If you read reviews of SSDs the good ones also look at performance consistency which is also very relevant if you are pushing a drive hard. E.g.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10833/the-samsung-960-evo-1tb-review/2

I'd have returned it out of principle and bought it from elsewhere even if a little more expensive. Screw eBuyer.

Avoid ebuyer like the plague. Nice price - zero customer service

This seems like an explosive deal, you don't know who has worse cs, ebuyer or samsung.

If you don't go for a massive amount of RAM, use a RAM disk, and turn off the page file entirely...

Mixed read/write iops, is the most imported thing for a boot drive, the more that can be done the less slow down you will get. pure read/write speeds are only good for large files

Was considering one of these but its a great deal of money extra only for a read speed improvement. Gonna wait

You are wrong to compare drives by sequential read/write and assume multiplication of performance. This is entirely wrong and didn't reflect on the real world performance. Firstly you need to compare conventional hard drives versus ssds and then compare the ssd technologies. Suffice to say sequential read/write performance is nowhere near as important as latency and 4K random read/write. So that's the conventional versus ssd. Then sata versus NVMe means you need to compare queue depth, NVMe annihilates SATA for queue depth. The next question is can a consumer user saturate the queue depth of NVMe the straight answer is generally they can't.

I paid £250 from scan so it's a decent price but not if ebuyer use yodel to deliver, i'm running on a z97 board via an adapter.

hot for price but for me i will just use a standard ssd

Yes and no as for some people it is certain that they will want to boot from it so I wanted to paint the bigger picture to help those that do.

My above post was in reference to zangetsu19's post, but since I'm using my phone to post, the quotation function appears not to have worked maybe I screwed it up. Anyway my post was not a direct response or in fact a response to the description posted by the OP.

All these details are why I linked to two separate reviews in the opening deal post. It's a specialist item, for relatively "specialist" use. But it does have its uses - and for those, it seems cheap at the price.

No. It's listed as out of stock at Amazon (and was when I first posted this)

thats a different question for booting it. for me was straight forward with z97

Scorching hot! If you are building a new system then get one :smiley:

Over double the price of a similarly sized SATA drive. These are largely pointless in a desktop system unless you have a very specific need for high bandwidth.

The money you save getting a normal SATA drive would be better spent on any other component rather than this.

I concur, bunch of cowboys and zero customer service. I had an problem with graphic card e.g. random BSOD and artifacts when playing games. Sent the card, they "checked it", and returned it saying there was nothing wrong with the card.

Thanks, think I will stick with what I got, now I just need a 4tb or 5tb internal HDD for back ups.

If you want to use it as a Boot drive then your system firmware has to support booting from an NVMe drive in a PCIe slot with an adaptor which most don't allow.

Quick question about these M.2's - WHY?

Can you really notice a difference between this and say an 850 SATA III drive?

Your mobo must support m.2 pcie 3.0x4 nvme to get these speeds

Will this make Dragon NaturallySpeaking faster?

You will see great improvements on boot speed. installs etc game loading for an example, its lightening. Faster than a SSD

... which is not significantly faster than a half decent SATA SSD for most consumer workloads which cost less than half the price .
It does change the game in terms of being very poor value though if you aren't able to access the extra raw performance.

:-)

Is 'changingly' an English word? Of course not, the OP is just being makeupedly.

I have the 256GB version and it's fast, if you generally use your PC you won't see a great difference in speed over ssd but if you do gaming or video editing etc you see the difference.

Not sure why you'd want 3,000MB/s+ read speed. Realistically is e-peen waggling at it's worst.

ANY SSD (even the cheapest Sandisk or Crucial) will give you benefits far and beyond your wildest dreams* compared to an old fashioned spinning HDD. Short of some pretty heavy enterprise data work, I can't imagine justifying the cost of a new mobo plus one of these.

*(not quite)

I don't see this as a possible sata "upgrade" but for anyone with a smaller m.2 drive in their laptop it's good to see the price of these dropping

Just going by the review posted by the OP, then no, you won’t see much performance increase compared to the premium price. Look at page 5 of the Techreport review, most scores are so close you wouldn't noticed a blind bit of difference.
http://techreport.com/review/30993/samsung-960-evo-ssd-reviewed/5

If anyone is running a Z97 board or lower, consider grabbing one of these to obtain the maximum performance of this storage:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus-hyper-m.2-x4-pci-e-mini-adapter-card-black-pcb-hd-032-as.html

Not really, got the 1tb version and cpu constrained for most tasks.

£200 for 500Gb though. Ouch.

hot.

£196.85 through flubit elite if anyone interested.