​but this is a price decrease? what are you on about?

Hopefully Unidays code works :innocent:

Not really.

The computer you linked does not function as a tablet; the keyboard is always attached and cannot be removed. It also has a far worse GPU for any light gaming, but it does have a larger SSD, RAM and a slightly CPU.

Also the screen on the one you linked sucks compared to the one inside the Surface Pro 4, which has one of, if not the best screens in a portable computer on the market. For the light workload I use a laptop/tablet for, the Surface skus are far better machines.

Surface screen and ability to detach as a true tablet > your laptop.

Your right, your numbers don't add up. Sounds like a FanBoi jelly over a better tablet at a cheaper price.

New iPadPro's sell on eBay for 87.75% of their new price.
New Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 101.53% of their new price.

Used iPadPro's sell on eBay for 73.87% of their new price.
Used Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 88.69% of their new price.

From these stats you can see that the deal posted here is actually cheaper than new sellers on eBay, and that used Surface Pro 4's currently hold their value better than iPadPro's compaired to this deal.

Sorry for the boring stats below, but I like to back my stats up with a bit of research.... As with 90% of statistics are made up on the moment, and as yours seemed fishy I just did some quick research, using comparable details of 4Gb RAM, 128Gb Storage, 12+" screen, so lets look at some real world statistics backed up with current market data. :-

New price:-
iPadPro 12.9 - Apple store £819
Surface Pro 4 - Microsoft store £699

eBay (new) price (taking the mean of the cheapest 3 inc postage of each to offer a better statistical analysis):-
iPadPro - (£656 / £749.99 / £750) = £718.67
Surface Pro 4 - (£699 / £710 / £719.99) = 709.67

eBay (used) price (again taking the cheapest 3 inc postage):-
iPadPro - (£560 / £620 / £635) = £605
Surface Pro 4 - (£598.98 / £619 / £644.99) = £620.99

So looking at current (as of 30 mins ago) pricing new vs 2nd hand new/used I cant see where you get your Surface Pro 4 second hand figures of 20% of the purchase price from... this would mean eBay would have them for sale for £139.80. Of cause I will stand corrected if you show me where I can buy a 2nd hand Surface Pro 4 for £139.80, hell I will buy 10 of them.

So lets put this into percentiles to assist:-
New iPadPro's sell on eBay for 87.75% of their new price.
Used iPadPro's sell on eBay for 73.87% of their new price.
New Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 101.53% of their new price.
Used Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 88.69% of their new price.

nota bene:
If we take the price of a Surface Pro 4 outside of this deal,at the normal selling price, the statists change. Based upon a £849 price point and USED values, 73.03% vs the iPadPro at 73.87%, so its still hardly that much difference.

Regards
Flea

Is that i5 the 8gb/256gb version? If not, is that going to be discounted?

It will probably be the one PC world already has on Black Tag deal today?
PC World Link - £729

Hopefully Unidays code works :innocent:

Will keep an eye out for this tomorrow

What are the chances of the the i5 8gb ram model going on offer this week? Not sure if i should wait it out or go for one of these.

Hopefully Very have a similar deal on with buy now pay later

Just checked even with unidays discount the price is the same. There is just less discount off the product. Still £599 for base model.

so Uni day discount cant be used with this offer ?

Prices are already live but it's only for the 2 models mentioned, no deals on the higher spec models unfortunately.

every little help

http://www.quidco.com/microsoft-store/
https://www.topcashback.co.uk/microsoft_store/

Thanks NeoTrix. I was disappointed to miss out on the Argos deal last week. This is nearly £100 cheaper and I get a choice of keyboard colour. Couldn't resist. Now I need to work out how to explain why I have another tablet/laptop to add to the collection...

If this could be used comfortably on a lap, I'd buy it. Sadly, it can't, so I'll stick with my Thinkpad.

Like others have said, not great on a lap, not the best tablet (too heavy).

Excellent thin portable PC if that's what you're after. I'd recommend the M3 version as it has no fan. The i5 one I have sounds like a jet engine when it gets going.

Is this the best price it's been and is it likely to go down again in the next few weeks? ie after xmas?

Still too expensive for what it is.

Good find, slightly better than my deal. Think I'll buy this one. Any idea how long this will last?

This comes with pen too included! HOTTTT!!!!

Good deal. Heat added. I'm waiting for a higher spec one to come down or ideally the surface book.

These products seem a bit marmite, but I need something that I can use a proper pen with, as it's great for teaching

Yeah, I think Microsoft really needs to make a proper Surface laptop. The Book is a nice piece of kit but ultimately too expensive for what it is. The Pro 4 also a good bit of kit, but actually I've seen a lot of people struggle to use it in laptop mode unless they've got a decent amount of space to use the stand - it's not really ideal for use on small train tables or fold down plane tables tbh.

Still it's a ton better than the iPad Pro, which is basically still an iPad and doesn't really do the job of replacing your laptop unless all you do is browse / use apps.

Im hoping the Surface Books will come down soon or the higher end surface pros, thanks for the heads up!

I've got a i5 8gb ram surface pro 3. Does the i5 surface pro 4 offer much new?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DP/B017QQWTIG/
These make it 10x better for lap work

how does that work in regards to blocking the fans? could imagine that may overheat? may be wrong?

Still expensive for my liking so cold for me !! Not hugely discounted product
With brexit clouds looming, microsoft and apple are already increasing the price in UK so BIG COLD from my side !!

Quite a tempting offer, though the i5 still seems a little steep. Could do with a bit more being knocked off

puhh almost forgot :smile: appreciate this reminder <3
heat added

I got the m3 model with Black type cover thanks for this deal

It has holes in it for the fan so doesn't make a difference really, when I put it on I had the same though though. I have the surface pro 3 version so I am assuming this would be the same :smiley:

I was thinking of waiting for the Surface-Book or a higher spec version, however thinking about this more... Would the i5 version be fast enough to use regularly daily. Nothing more intense than office programmes and web browsing.
Could be some decent size spreadsheets and I also have a fair amount of Windows open. Was definitely looking at 8gb ram... But not sure if it's just overkill.

Any advice from the techies on here? Not used windows 10 yet and not sure how much of a resource hog it is

Heh, I take your point but as someone who enjoys gaming I'm not willing to spend that kind of money on something that doesn't have a decent Gpu and hard drive space.

That said, if you're not bothered about gaming or storage then it's an excellent but very expensive option.

Not sure why this is voted so hot, its still way overpriced. i5 for £700 lol

I have the i5 version as a work machine, really poor battery life on it so bear in mind if that's a priority.. so much so that my 4 year old MacBook Air would last more than twice as long...

Price decrease after intention of increasing it 20% in UK ? What a bargain lol

My laptop is almost gone... It can go blast anytime. I have a Samsung 15 inch laptop. I am bit worried if this pro suits me or not. I know this would take me a bit to get adjusted on the lap and to be used.

Experts can you help me please ?

Hopefully this may help some. This has replaced a MacBook Pro and an iPad for me (got i7). It is fantastic. Use it with keyboard mostly (no probs in lap). Have bought the hub thingy and have it connected to a monitor etc in the study. It's my laptop, tablet and home computer.

Hi Frosty

I need to replace my iPad Air 2. How does the Windows OS work with fingers? And what about apps. I mostly use my iPad for internet but do use some apps like banking, tv, Netflix etc. I assume you would use internet explorer or whatever it's called these days for that.
Thansk

I just bought this today from Currys, a MUCH better offer!
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-yoga-510-14-2-in-1-black-10146249-pdt.html?istCompanyId=bec25c7e-cbcd-460d-81d5-a25372d2e3d7&istItemId=xtqttxliax&istBid=tztx&srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~1011+%28PLA%29+Windows+Laptops+%26+Convertibles+-+Adaptive~1011+%28PLA%29+Windows+Laptops+%26+Convertibles+ad+group~Exact&mctag=gg_goog_7904&kwid=GOOGLE&s_kwcid=DS!700000001428950!105916003459!!!g!!PRODUCT+GROUP&device=m&ds_kids=92700014660922605&PLA=1&gclid=CO-Fk5WTvdACFZQy0wod0hMDuw&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CJWap5WTvdACFQ-r7Qod4R8KbA

Thanks Frosty,,.. Your feedback is very valuable to me

Not really.

The computer you linked does not function as a tablet; the keyboard is always attached and cannot be removed. It also has a far worse GPU for any light gaming, but it does have a larger SSD, RAM and a slightly CPU.

Also the screen on the one you linked sucks compared to the one inside the Surface Pro 4, which has one of, if not the best screens in a portable computer on the market. For the light workload I use a laptop/tablet for, the Surface skus are far better machines.

Surface screen and ability to detach as a true tablet > your laptop.

Davis.. I have serious plans to buy this pro 8GB version. What are your thoughts on this ?

is m3 version worth considering?

Im confused with the same thing... I dont if there are any experts here who can help

Never really considered these as laptops, maybe I need to change my thinking and be in the now... Not great on graphics it would seem but then I'm out of date on that too. Seems hot to me either way but I think I need to do more research.

Regarding the M3 - it depends what you want. AFAIK the m3 is fan less so will be quieter. I have the macbook retina with M3 and it runs world of warcraft with no issues. If it gets too hot, the processor speed is throttled.

I have ordered an I7 surface pro however as the M3 wasn't suitable when editing large images.

Wow, this is a red hot deal given that it includes the keyboard and pen!

Wish my 2011 Macbook Pro wasn't still going strong, because I'd love the excuse to replace it with this!

While it's expensive I would still say it's worth it if you're going to use the touch capabilities.

Honestly it's the best laptop and tablet I've ever had, can do everything on it. Only real issue is battery life.

Not a bad deal, but I am glad I got the i5 8gb and an Xbox with FIFA 2017 for £971 a few weeks ago. :smile:

Hopefully the i5 256GB with pen and keyboard will be on offer somewhere this week. Really interested in getting that model but not at standard price!

That was a decent deal just a shame it didn't include the keyboard :disappointed:

​can it run a program like unity to make 2d games?

i5, Yes.

​thanks

My son is asking for a HP laptop for Xmas, I have tried to hint about this instead.
I am not very clued up on technology, we have a Mac but he wants something with windows.
I would be grateful for any advice to help me decide this or laptop. Thanks

Touch screen with finger touch is excellent. There are not as many apps but I've honestly not been bothered by this at all as it's a 'proper' browser (and a full PC). Windows 10 is fantastic - I also use Mac OSX on an iMac and really like both.

What sort of work do you do on it? A contractor I work with swears by his & uses it all day long out & about...

I love these but the fact that they cant be repaired and after the year warranty, and the only option you have from MS is to buy a new one at a reduced price, puts me off. This is not just conjecture, I spoke to MS support and they confirmed that they don't repair Surface, they just replace them.

Yep noticed this yesterday, but really need something with a digitizer or active stylus.

Apparent 6.6.% cashback at Quidco: http://www.quidco.com/microsoft-store/

Posted on another thread - seems this is now 549 at Amazon, if you don't mind without the pen

I'm hoping for this too.

snap - although reading around 4gb ram may be enough for most tasks....

8gb just gives it that bit more future proofing - 4gb is positively anaemic these days already. (also apparently, in terms of gaming, the extra 4gb does make all the difference)

Battery life in i5 not great. MacBook Air gets 9+ hours, this gets about 4-5. I don't know if M3 is better.

agreed - I definitely want the 8gb version - they just don't seem to be reducing it...

I see the listing from MS you're talking about, however I wouldn't be surprised if it's wrong - the Surface Pro 4 (all variants - m3, i5, i7) come with the pen as standard in the box. The Surface 3 did not, and was an optional extra, however the Surface PRO 3 did come with it.
As far as I know all PRO variants of the Surface line have come with a pen accessory (originally Wacom driven in 1 & 2, then N-Trig in 3 & 4).

I would be very surprised if they removed it from the box just for an amazon listing.

Curry's are being equally obfuscating, as their £729 deal for the i5 (now down to £699 I believe) included the TypeCover - however a deal right beside it in store for more money said it included the TypeCover and Pen - if you took this deal you would come home with two pens!!

It's not helped by the fact that the pen can be purchased separately (as it works with the Surface 3/Pro 3 and is an upgrade over the pen that came with the Pro 3) in different colours and with a nib kit to change the feel of it, whereas the bundled pen comes only in silver and has a tip preinstalled to feel like a HB pencil. As it can be bought separately I imagine retailers not used to the variants (or interested/bothered) assume it's normally separate, or are trying to fleece un-expecting purchasers hoping they will not return it!

Cheers,
Andrew

waiting for i7... the rest is just rubbish

We have a few dozens of the i5 Surface Pro 4's at work, with current firmware/drivers users are getting minimum 5.5-6hrs (it is rated 9 hours). Have they upgraded the firmware/drivers (both have to be on the same level)?
How many hours do you get?

If you are an AMEX card holder, there is an offer for £30 off if you spend over £100 at microsoftstore dot com
You need to save the offer to your card on the AMEX Offers site (limited to first 15,000)

(Not sure if it would work combined with Quidco cashback though)

Kowalski - yeah I think you could combine with no issue, they won't "know" about each other.

Get an extra £30 off with Amex here - http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/30-off-100-spend-microsoft-amex-offer-2555028

Looks like if you're quick you could also get £10 off today (24/11/2016) with Quidco here - http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/10-quidco-cashback-bonus-ao-com-very-currys-dell-microsoft-50-2554974

Does the 'extra 10' count toward existing cashback rate? Example, Microsoft already have 6.6%.

This is probably the best windows laptop (at this price anyway) you can get at the moment so you won't regret getting this.

There seems to be a special version of Surface Pro 4 that Microsoft has created for this black friday.. I've seen listings from currys, Amazon and PC World all without pen and people bought the bundle from Argos said it didn't come with a pen either

Depends if he wants it for gaming? Some games will play OK.

Would buy i5 with 8gb RAM and type cover if it was reasonably priced. Microsoft US gave a chunky discount on that one but not the UK as it seems to be the most popular model in the UK.

Agree with you.. Rip of Britain...

Does anyone here use the M3 model with Adobe Lightroom? My laptop is currently relegated to a drawer and only used to manage photos when I'm on holiday. Would be cool to ditch both my ipad and laptop for a surface but don't want to take the plunge if lightroom is gonna run like crap.

@magicpork interesting. I might go for the Amazon deal and see, waiting till tomorrow in case another deal comes along. If it does come without the pen then buying the kit from MS store that comes with the nibs would bring it back to £598, so win win!

i wonder if there'll be a reduction on the student store? currently its the same price...

The pen and nibs are £44.95 on Amazon, so you can order both together from there for £594.98 :smiley:

If you want the pen this would be your best bet, as the listing makes it very clear the Surface and Type Cover bundle doesn't come with one. Also, on the Currys HUKD Surface thread, someone who works there said they checked stock and confirmed that this bundle doesn't come with one.

Thanks for this, ordered 2 x Surface Pro 4 i5 models for my missus and me. Arrived today from Microsoft direct and she could'nt be happier. Great device

Interested in answer to this Q too.

​Thanks, think I will go this route, at least then you get the nibs too! Cheers.

So it doesn't look like any deals are appearing for the i5/8gb/256gb ;_; Not sure whether to bite the bullet and go for the 4gb ram option now... I'm not sure that will be able to cope with Civ VI! (which admittedly I can just play on my gaming rig desktop, but I'd like a portable option)

Primary usage would be as a PDF reader (huge full colour RPG books) and writing device, with some light strategy/rpg (think Baldur's Gate level stuff, not Skyrim) too. What does everyone think?

​I'm in same position... I think it would suffice for most of your needs... But one year down the line you'll kick yourself. Depends on how soon you need it.
This deal appears good but if you compare to recent deals it's just ok, normal marketing hype etc and less hassle than trying to sell an xbox.
I'm going to wait... Irritating that the US deals are better for the higher spec items... Maybe they're scared of Mr Trump grabbing them by the....

Or find yourself a friendly student and you can get 10% off the standard prices that way on the Microsoft website

it's a con actually, apparently not available on 'special offer' items

Student 10% discount doesn't stack with this offer... :disappointed:

What I meant was 10%off standard prices. So it doesn't stack on this offer but can be used to get a higher spec one with a discount

I can confirm the bundle does NOT come with a pen. The keyboard/surface are in a single box with a big 'PEN NOT INCLUDED' sticker on it.

It says in the description that a pen is included

Oops - thought this was the amazon offer (soooo many surface offers around).

​I know. I'm hoping for one more on the i5 256GB but I doubt that's going to happen so will probably just settle for a lower spec model before the end of today :neutral_face:

​Loads of info online about that. Google.

​Eg. https://m.reddit.com/r/Surface/comments/45gr9t/is_the_sp4_m3_any_good_for_a_photographer/

I just 'snaped ' i7/8gb/256gb (iris 540 graphics 40% better then graphic in i5 or m3 models) with type cover, pen and dock for 949 delivered. i belive that's way better option, but that's my opinion... depend what you using it for. I'm graphic designer. wish to go for surface book but i7 is ridiculous overpieced... also ssd if half slow in 128gb version then 256 (yes I mean speed as well as size! ) . Honestly, m3 with 4gb is waste of money, grab spectre 360 or xps13 for money with better spec...

My i5 version arrived today. Bargain for £629, wife will be well chuffed.

That's what happens when a country decides to screw its economy, it's just going to get worse so this is a bargain.

£629 was a good price. I missed that one. Everytime I clicked on the links it said £699. Anyways went to Microsoft in the end and very happy with them. Got the stylus pen included but not sure if I'll use it.

​where did you get that deal?

Hopefully that's not the scammer on Amazon marketplace?

Yes amazon... Could be scam, I'm not sure. All I know is that seller responding ok, and it's already marked dispached with tracking... I hope I get it next week, or may get battle to getting my money back soon... Unsure.

is quidco cashback working on these?

Just purchased this for my girlfriend (we have a £100 limit on each other this Christmas... oops). Went for the i5 4GB, will handle what she needs it for and went through Quidco so if that tracks I'll get an additional 11% cashback which will be a nice £76 bonus. The real bonus here is the pen included as no other retailers are including it for the same price.

the M3 and I5 model are excluded from cashback as stated in the quidco website

Ah well, doesn't matter then :smile:

How does this to the XPS 13 if not particularly needing tablet functionality.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-xps-13-9360-250-off-7th-gen-i5-256gb-ssd-8gb-ram-849-dell-2561166#post29321201

Also, please compare the bang for the buck with:

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/lenovo-ideapad-310-15-6-inch-intel-core-i7-8gb-1tb-laptop-bundle-404-99-argos-10-2560220

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/dell-inspiron-17-5000-series-laptop-intel-core-i7-8gb-ram-1tb-17-3-full-hd-black-2560486

How does this option compare to the HP Spectre 360 4129 i7 which can be had for ~£760 with 10% off for new Very accounts and £100 cashback from HP? (Might be another 7.7% quidco in addition?)

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-spectre-360-4129na-mpn-x5x71ea-abu-plus-100-cashback-from-hp-958-79-very-2562175#post29330561

Or there is the i5 version of Spectre as well:
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hp-spectre-x360-13-i5-processor-8gb-ram-256gb-ssd-799-709-with-credit-code-very-2555538

tempted but naaaaaa
apple ipad pro I think

It's all about the second hand resale value on ebay

this 20% of its new price
ipad pro 50% of its new price

that's why apple win

even though this is a good bit of kit

the numbers just don't add up

Remember if you have an Amex you get £30 off £100 spend.

Bought one yesterday

Your right, your numbers don't add up. Sounds like a FanBoi jelly over a better tablet at a cheaper price.

New iPadPro's sell on eBay for 87.75% of their new price.
New Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 101.53% of their new price.

Used iPadPro's sell on eBay for 73.87% of their new price.
Used Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 88.69% of their new price.

From these stats you can see that the deal posted here is actually cheaper than new sellers on eBay, and that used Surface Pro 4's currently hold their value better than iPadPro's compaired to this deal.

Sorry for the boring stats below, but I like to back my stats up with a bit of research.... As with 90% of statistics are made up on the moment, and as yours seemed fishy I just did some quick research, using comparable details of 4Gb RAM, 128Gb Storage, 12+" screen, so lets look at some real world statistics backed up with current market data. :-

New price:-
iPadPro 12.9 - Apple store £819
Surface Pro 4 - Microsoft store £699

eBay (new) price (taking the mean of the cheapest 3 inc postage of each to offer a better statistical analysis):-
iPadPro - (£656 / £749.99 / £750) = £718.67
Surface Pro 4 - (£699 / £710 / £719.99) = 709.67

eBay (used) price (again taking the cheapest 3 inc postage):-
iPadPro - (£560 / £620 / £635) = £605
Surface Pro 4 - (£598.98 / £619 / £644.99) = £620.99

So looking at current (as of 30 mins ago) pricing new vs 2nd hand new/used I cant see where you get your Surface Pro 4 second hand figures of 20% of the purchase price from... this would mean eBay would have them for sale for £139.80. Of cause I will stand corrected if you show me where I can buy a 2nd hand Surface Pro 4 for £139.80, hell I will buy 10 of them.

So lets put this into percentiles to assist:-
New iPadPro's sell on eBay for 87.75% of their new price.
Used iPadPro's sell on eBay for 73.87% of their new price.
New Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 101.53% of their new price.
Used Surface Pro 4 sell on eBay for 88.69% of their new price.

nota bene:
If we take the price of a Surface Pro 4 outside of this deal,at the normal selling price, the statists change. Based upon a £849 price point and USED values, 73.03% vs the iPadPro at 73.87%, so its still hardly that much difference.

Regards
Flea

Just FYI anyone ordering - shipping for the i5 model has been delayed. I ordered yesterday morning, and they shipped the type cover but the Surface itself still says 'processing' on the website. I contacted Microsoft, and the guy told me that due to massive demand they are under stocked and don't know when they'll be getting more in. He couldn't even tell me whether they would be able to ship next week, just that I had to wait for email confirmation from Microsoft. So, the order is still 'processing', with no way to know when it'll be arriving. If you're thinking of going with this deal, expect a wait!

Expired?

What I was just thinking? :S

How did you get for £629 I.e. 10% off? Is that still on?

No, for a day or so PC world eBay had the i5 for £629 instead of £699 which was price on the main website. Plus extra nectar points and cash back from amex made it a decent deal.