Seen this on the PC World website looking for a cheap laptop for the daughter for christmas. Not sure about reviews, but likely to be the cheapest full HD screen at this price I'm thinking. Tempted to jump on this even if at the top end of my budget. But slightly concerned on just the 4gb ram and Lenovo as a brand. Either this or hold out for a better brand with more ram even if just 720 hd?.
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fundy to tightpants
16 Nov 166#24
well when i opened mine up it had a spare slot to add 8gb to the existing 4gb that was already present and now recognises having 12gb
Lancman
17 Nov 165#33
From the review posted earlier, here is a shot of the underside. Looks like there is no replaceable battery either.
paulandpam1
18 Nov 163#51
I wouldn't take any notice of what the chimps in PC World tell you, the 9 hours to re install is bull S**t I'm surprised they never tried to sell you a gold HDMI cable to go with it.
ben38sufc
16 Nov 163#1
I see fhd and I give heat
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ben38sufc
16 Nov 163#1
I see fhd and I give heat
K1LLER HORNET
16 Nov 16#2
FHD IPS. Wow. I have to take a look. Will report back with my findings.
@dave99461 Regarding RAM
dave99461
16 Nov 16#3
Yeah, but does this laptop carry 2 ram slots (as to add an additional 4gb stick) or just the single slot I'm wandering?. As struggling to find out as far to many variants of model. But as upto 12gb ram, is it fair to assume 2 ram slots than just 1 to save binning the 4gb just to add 8gb?.
K1LLER HORNET to dave99461
16 Nov 162#4
Reviews seem to suggest the screen in these 500 series machines have poor colour reproduction covering only 60% of the srgb colourspace. Realistically this will mean muted colours.
It says up to 12GB so that would mean 2 slots.
RiverDragon8
16 Nov 161#5
I have the Lenovo 500s i5 13.3'' version, the IPS panel is excellent.
ShannonAirey96
16 Nov 161#6
does anyone know if this would run the sims 4 well?
benjam1n to ShannonAirey96
16 Nov 161#8
I have no clue about sims but no it's not a gaming machine. According to min requirements for sims it would run but I doubt it would be a very nice experience.
MBeeching to ShannonAirey96
16 Nov 161#10
Medium settings should be realistic, though you may have to lower the resolution if it feels sluggish.
Alternatively you could start at 1080p on low then gradually increase each graphic setting.
Yes it will. Wifes 4th gen i5 does a decent job at the native 720p res on her laptop. It runs surprisingly well on low end hardware.
benjam1n
16 Nov 162#7
I bought this a few weeks back. It's a nice little laptop. Fairly thin and nicely built for a budget laptop. Backlit keyboard is a nice touch. The screen seems fine. No competition for a MacBook retina but good enough. Colours look vibrant enough, not like those smokey looking screens on the £200 laptops. I'm pleased overall. It's the nicest looking laptop I've seen in the price range. I spent a day working on it on a business trip and it was perfectly acceptable.
dave99461
16 Nov 161#9
In thinking about my daughters iPad\pc habits which includes a lot of YouTube viewing, and as it seems certain to have a spare ram slot to add to than replace I think we will go for this as she will benefit more from the full HD screen for watching videos than a better known brand lower hd screen. As doubt we will find another full hd screen at this price any time soon. Plus IPS screens are generally better than TN screen I gather even if the above is suggesting slightly otherwise.
dave99461
16 Nov 16#11
As long as this will play the games on Facebook and flash based games with no issues my daughter would be happy I guess. Though she is asking for Minecraft for which slightly unsure on if it will run on this laptop?.
Here's a review of the i5 CPU based model via NotebookCheck - added it in, to help give other members an idea on what your getting (minus the i5 CPU of course!) with regards to base specs, ports and maintenance access along with testing that NotebookCheck have carried out.
TatankaYotanka
16 Nov 16#16
what about graphic card?
Dedicated ?
Salfordgirl1 to TatankaYotanka
16 Nov 161#17
If it doesn't say it has a GPU then it doesn't have a GPU.
Which it doesn't.
Read some of the links posted above.
dps5pt
16 Nov 16#18
It's an IPS panel, which should be pretty much a guarantee to have a much superior colour reproduction and viewing angle compared to TN panels. You'll be hard pushed to find a better spec screen at this price, unless looking at under powered windows tablet hybrid thingimys.
Sp0oner
16 Nov 162#19
Have you checked the benchmark of this i3? It has a benchmark of 3800 almost equal to that of my gen4 i7 of 3900. It is a more than capable cpu. The ram can be upgraded and it has a 1tb hdd. With a FHD screen on top, this is a great deal and would like to see other laptop examples that people think beat this deal. Stick in an SSD and it will be an excellent spec machine.
If you want amazing/vivid colour reproduction you shouldn't be buying anything at this price point.
Heat from me.
tightpants
16 Nov 16#20
Heads up for any one wondering about the RAM - this has only 1 slot and a max of 8GB.
I'm happy to be proven wrong but I got this from the hardware manual - page 26 (link below). I bought this but am most likely it to take it back unopened as the reviews on the Curys site for it, though not many, aren't great re speed. Got me worried, so did the research. Seems you have to take out the 4GB, put in 8GB...that's another £40 odd quid...
However 4gb with Windows 10 is plenty for everyday use. Windows 10 works great with 2gb as per all the tablets that have been released of which I have one and can say runs very well indeed.
So yes 8gb is going to cost but you will only need to do this if you want to do more with this laptop than general every day use.
fundy to tightpants
16 Nov 166#24
well when i opened mine up it had a spare slot to add 8gb to the existing 4gb that was already present and now recognises having 12gb
ZUPERMAN
16 Nov 16#22
bought my son a lenovo 3 years ago, would not boot up after first week replacement sent, then second one broke down and would not system recover with onetouch key,, poor customer service,, would send out recovery dvd for £37 postage,, no thanks
fundy
16 Nov 161#23
bought one of these last month, screen is excellent. Added an SSD and 8Gb of memory (12Gb total) and impressed with the performance
tightpants
16 Nov 16#25
Well, I did say I'm happy to be proved wrong!
Thank you - I'll consider keeping this now as discount will pay for the extra RAM. I did like the screen when I saw it - good viewing angles and it has quite good brightness.
Joshimitsu91
16 Nov 162#26
700p laptops are horrible for productivity, plus this laptop has an IPS screen which will be much nicer for media consumption, even before you consider the higher resolution.
pablomalin
16 Nov 16#27
Buy gift cards from Morrissons, whould get £5 voucher every £100 spent so extra £15 in vouchers if they still on offer.
benjam1n
16 Nov 16#28
just popped the back off mine and it has a ram slot with nothing in it. Not sure where the 4gb is.
Sp0oner to benjam1n
17 Nov 162#29
Sounds like the 4gb is hard soldered then which explains the maximum of 12gb.
Astec123 to benjam1n
17 Nov 16#32
If it's anything like their Thinkpad range it will be conveniently located on the opposite side of the motherboard under the keyboard and require the machine to be taken practically to pieces.
tightpants
17 Nov 162#30
Which in turn explains the 1 slot 8gb max in the manual - 12gb total.
K1LLER HORNET
17 Nov 16#31
12GB will be plenty at this performance level. It's a non issue.
I think I'll pick one up tomorrow.
Lancman
17 Nov 165#33
From the review posted earlier, here is a shot of the underside. Looks like there is no replaceable battery either.
swelsbyuk
17 Nov 16#36
Realise this is probably a stupid question, but I currently have a 2nd gen i5 laptop which, to me at least, seems to run pretty well. Am I likely to see any improvement with this?
K1LLER HORNET to swelsbyuk
17 Nov 16#37
Speed wise no.
bentrewern to swelsbyuk
17 Nov 16#39
I'm guessing your i5 will be the same speed or even slightly faster than this. There are many 2nd gen i5s even one which runs at 1.4ghz so can't really say. If your machine is in good order, you may be better off with an ssd and a reinstall. This could make a huge difference.
KricketFan
17 Nov 16#38
I'm in the market for an upgrade & this caught my eye until I read the site reviews, some favourable but many unfavourable, more than the norm saying its slow which confuses me when the processor registers a benchmark about 4 times the one in my budget friendly Toshiba Laptop. Can some offer some guidance here, is it possible that a laptop with a powerful processor can still be very slow for some other reason?
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Could Bloatware slow down a model like this or the full HD screen?
eslick
17 Nov 16#40
bought a lesser version of the ideapad from currys using discounted giftcards bought through work and took it back, hopelessly slow and you couldn't actually take the thing apart easily. Currys refunded back to the giftcards. I have a thinkpad for work and gone through 2 of those in the last 6 months, was tempted to go for this but does worry me about the build quality and comments on here and other places. It is a big jump up in price to Dell or HP but they to have their own issues, decisions decisions.
chrisvenn
17 Nov 16#41
Heat added seems good spec for the money
dave99461
17 Nov 161#42
As far as bloatware goes, pc world website mentions the following software:
Software included * Full version of Microsoft Office not included
* Full version of anti-virus / internet security not included
- Lenovo Solution Center
- Lenovo SHAREit
- Lenovo REACHit
- Power2Go Blu-ray Disc/DVD
- PowerDVD 10 Blu-ray Disc/DVD
- Lenovo Photo Master 2.0
- McAfee LiveSafe
- Lenovo OneKey Recovery
Quite a bit, but not necessarily everything installed, maybe stuff not mentioned Lenovo have custom installed into the OS they would prefer kept on. Nothing that I can see that needs keeping as such from that list so will remove everything and install my own choice of anti virus & DVD playing software in the one we bought for our daughter for Xmas. To be sure of removing ALL bloatware I'm half tempted to do a full format and freshly install just the Win 10 os and take it from there. But as said, will remove the crap first & see how it performs.
benjam1n
17 Nov 16#43
I just uninstalled the stuff I didn't want. full reinstall seems excessive
dawsonz
17 Nov 16#44
Tempted to go for this but wondering if an i5 option would be better?
Sp0oner
17 Nov 161#45
Don't go on reviews on Currys/PCWorld they are from people who generally have no idea what they are talking about. I saw 1 review on there saying how much Windows 10 is different to what they are used to well that's nothing to do with the laptop is it and can't give it a negative review because they can't use Windows 10 lol.
Sp0oner
18 Nov 161#46
An i5 6200u for example which is found in many laptops has a benchmark of 4047 so not a noticeable performance difference to the i3 in this laptop. However if you find a laptop with a non u version i5 then it will be substantially more powerful but also likely to be a lot more expensive.
It's all about the cpu model number and it's benchmark and whether it's dual or quad core not just if it's an i3 or i5 or i7. I have an i7 dual core in my laptop with a benchmark of 3900 and an i7 quad core in my desktop with a benchmark of 10,000 so a massive difference.
Infinitesd
18 Nov 16#47
If it's the Idea pad i5 from PC world, it also has double the ram and dedicated graphics. I think it looks like a decent machine, but I can see no real difference in the processors except the i5 has a turbo.
DonnieH
18 Nov 16#48
I picked a couple of these up yesterday and whilst I've not had the chance to assess performance wise, they do appear to be good value for money.
dawsonz
18 Nov 16#49
Thank you for that, very useful to know.
KricketFan
18 Nov 16#50
I bought one this morning, one early gripe is shortness of the plug lead, shorter than my 2 chromebooks, shorter than my budget friendly toshiba.
When I bought salesman wanted me to buy some kind of back up installation that would cost me an extra £35, and if I didn't I might lose my Windows 10 and it would take 9 hours with an USB.........not even sure what he was on about. I just said NO! Isn't that if you get a virus or something? Macfee that will have to go, Windows Defender has never caused me any issues before. All that Lenovo Bloatware will have to go too.
paulandpam1
18 Nov 163#51
I wouldn't take any notice of what the chimps in PC World tell you, the 9 hours to re install is bull S**t I'm surprised they never tried to sell you a gold HDMI cable to go with it.
DonnieH
18 Nov 16#52
yeah I had the same yesterday...blah...blah...blah...you need this...you may also need this...etc.
Kept saying no until he got the message.
dave99461
18 Nov 161#53
Yeah similar story with the sales person here. Almost like we had to listen to a lecture on how we "needed" all these extra chargeable services, currys pre installed protection, USB backup stick in the box, anti virus, cloud protection, insurance service with "free" annual service, one time discount on this and that vital software etc etc. Bloody hell, should have been in there minutes, was a good 15 minutes in the end but thankfully for the sales person a new record for me in the polite "no thanks" department without getting verbally irritated with them. Would Argos have had this deal would have been a much quicker purchase even with waiting time. Don't take away that I and others look to have got a cracking deal based on what other offers are available right now for a full hd screen.
chrisvenn
18 Nov 16#54
What ram are people putting in this to upgrade it to 12gb total?
Infinitesd
19 Nov 16#55
If you go to crucial they have a memory finder that's guaranteed to work with it.
Munchie75
19 Nov 16#56
I would like to learn more about how to understand Intel processor models. I got caught with this a few years ago...buying an old i7.
I assumed at the time that by now we would have i77 or i109 etc..and the numbers would keep growing! !
Chris52
19 Nov 16#57
Ordered one yesterday. I compared the photos that Windows equips all computers with across a wide range of screens at my local PC World & this really is a nice screen. As I don't play games I am not that concerned about the nth degree of performance but a nice screen matters a lot.
The picture that I used most was of a guy standing at the far end of a dark passage. Just look at the detail of the light coloured brickwork at the back of the picture. On some screens it might have been rendered but on this the bricks were beautifully detailed.
I will keep it unopened until after Black Friday in case something better comes up - but this really did look nice.
I am considering a small SSD in place of the optical drive for the operating system and some programs.
For non game use do I really need additional memory as well?
PS Until Sunday 20/11 Quidco 10% cashback making this £269.99 assuming that it tracks properly.
Infinitesd
19 Nov 161#58
Personally I would get another 4 in it just to be sure. With the price of memory you may just stretch to another 8.
Chris52
19 Nov 16#59
OK looking at another 4gb DDR4 SoSimm module to allow synchronous mode but what speed?
To replace the optical drive with a SSD I assume that I need a SATA caddy but I don't know whether SATA2, SATA3 etc. Does it matter? It appears to be a 9mm caddy but \I would appreciate confirmation.
Am I right in thinking that I would put the operating system and programs onto the SSD and media files etc onto the existing HDD?
marko888
19 Nov 16#60
Crucial memory finder specifies that Crucial 4GB DDR4-2133 SODIMM and Crucial 4GB DDR4-2400 SODIMM are compatible. Can anyone recommend which would be best? Both are the same price. Cheers.
Leveller
20 Nov 16#61
Hello,
I'm not really clued up on computers and laptops. Could anyone tell me if this will be any good for an open university course that I am planning to do in Feb? Or are there other laptops that will suit my needs better? Thanks.
KricketFan
20 Nov 16#62
Never been to university so don't know what that entails but i can say those site reviews, of which there were many saying the model is super slow is ...Nonsense on Stilts!.................2 days in with my new purchase I find it faster than any laptop I've ever had, though admittedly I have never bought high end before.
BTW those site reviews seem to have disappeared now, there was loads of them saying its slow and now they've all gone, make of that what you will.
Chris52
20 Nov 16#63
Be wary of reviews. They are often carried out on early production models with relatively immature drivers. Later versions can feel very different - or then again they might not!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .
They have stayed the same naming convention and update each year with a new generation denoted by the first digit of the model number. So the latest 6th gen cpus model number start with a 6, last years a 5 and so on. So when you look at a pc or laptop and you look at what cpu it has you can see how old the cpu is by it's model number.
To see what the performance of a cpu is google the model number with benchmark added to the end of the model number in your search and open the link that takes you to the cpubenchmark page where a score is given for the model of cpu. The higher the score the better the processing power of the cpu, i.e. it can do more quicker.
As you can see from the charts i7 is not the best you can buy but generally is for desktop computing. Xeons which top the charts are generally used in servers and cost a lot of money for the processing power they give.
K1LLER HORNET
20 Nov 16#66
I'm glad you didn't fall into that trap. You can make your own backup media for free within Windows itself.
When I went in store I felt like I really didn't belong there. As someone who knows a lot about computers everything I overheard the sales people telling customers made me angry. Stuff like pushing anti virus/Internet security and practically saying a pc doesn't compare to a macbook.
Gollywood
21 Nov 16#67
Had same issues in week 5 when ebuyer said 'sorry, its outside the 28 day period' Absolute nightmare process to get it fixed - resulted in us sending it off to Germany & it was returned to us from France - and all letters & paprwork to us were in French! They replaced the HD, and I immediately sold it on ebay at a big loss.
Good riddance
Chris52
21 Nov 16#68
I wonder if that is because you purchased it through ebuyer and it was a French model computer? Not to say that Curry's PCWorld are any good at service but at least you can take it into a store & thump the desk a little!
Hard drive problems are not laptop manufacturer specific. They all buy drives from the same few HD manufacturers - whatever they can get cheapest I suspect.
Rude Russy
21 Nov 16#69
it may just about but unfortunately it would be quite a poor experience. it doesn't have a gaming capable card
Rude Russy
21 Nov 16#70
it's only getting heat for the full HD panel. specs wise the rest of it is pants - you get what you pay for
tightpants
21 Nov 161#71
It's also IPS panel - makes a difference, especially at this price point .
dave99461
21 Nov 161#72
Depends what your comparing it to, if within the sub £300 area (and not the but for just £50-£60 more or £100 more types of comparison people often try to compare deals to) then this is a decent comparable spec to most in this price range.
I personally had set a maximum budget of £300 based on a mix of expected usage over the next 2-3 years and practical price as an i5 or i7 would have been overkill and wasted money for the intended usage purpose. For us and knowing my daughters intended usage she would benefit far more from a full hd screen than a slightly better spec (that would make no real difference to how well it will run) but lower res & quality screen.
jbrad
23 Nov 162#73
Thanks op, just bought this for £279 using code 20OVER299. Plenty of time to return in case BF throws up anything better.
crapspackle
24 Nov 16#74
Thinking of buying a laptop for my girlfriend, primarily for playing Runescape. How well would this run it at medium settings (willing to upgrade the RAM)? Or any other recommendations
nre
25 Nov 161#75
Thanks for the tip, I phoned currys yesterday and got a £20 refund on my order from earlier in the week. Code now expired though :-(
dave99461
25 Nov 16#76
Wish I'd have asked about this £20 code yesterday to get the discount or a refund and repurchase for the £20 off!. Ah well, always next time.
amour3k
25 Nov 16#77
OUCH!!, we HAVE one of these! (just under 1 week old now?).
If this eventually goes DEAD, and there's no battery replacement thingy?, then ..... :-(
Is it worth taking it back then?, and/or looking 'elswhere' as it were?, or ..... thanx. :-)
dave99461
28 Nov 16#78
Looks like you can get replacement batteries off Amazon, if so must be able replace them and probably not soldered to the mobo. More like the bottom cover would need removing in order to access the battery I'm thinking.
Hathawayp5
29 Nov 16#79
Has anyone bought one, what's your opinion of it? Curious to know if the screen is as good as spoken about.
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@dave99461 Regarding RAM
It says up to 12GB so that would mean 2 slots.
Alternatively you could start at 1080p on low then gradually increase each graphic setting.
Lots of info here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Sims-4-Benchmarked.125840.0.html
Google is your friend
http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/compatible-upgrade-for//ideapad-510-%2815-inch%29
Dedicated ?
Which it doesn't.
Read some of the links posted above.
If you want amazing/vivid colour reproduction you shouldn't be buying anything at this price point.
Heat from me.
I'm happy to be proven wrong but I got this from the hardware manual - page 26 (link below). I bought this but am most likely it to take it back unopened as the reviews on the Curys site for it, though not many, aren't great re speed. Got me worried, so did the research. Seems you have to take out the 4GB, put in 8GB...that's another £40 odd quid...
https://download.lenovo.com/consumer/mobiles_pub/ideapad_510-15isk_510-15ikb_hmm_201604.pdf
So yes 8gb is going to cost but you will only need to do this if you want to do more with this laptop than general every day use.
Thank you - I'll consider keeping this now as discount will pay for the extra RAM. I did like the screen when I saw it - good viewing angles and it has quite good brightness.
If it's anything like their Thinkpad range it will be conveniently located on the opposite side of the motherboard under the keyboard and require the machine to be taken practically to pieces.
I think I'll pick one up tomorrow.
EDIT
Could Bloatware slow down a model like this or the full HD screen?
Software included * Full version of Microsoft Office not included
* Full version of anti-virus / internet security not included
- Lenovo Solution Center
- Lenovo SHAREit
- Lenovo REACHit
- Power2Go Blu-ray Disc/DVD
- PowerDVD 10 Blu-ray Disc/DVD
- Lenovo Photo Master 2.0
- McAfee LiveSafe
- Lenovo OneKey Recovery
Quite a bit, but not necessarily everything installed, maybe stuff not mentioned Lenovo have custom installed into the OS they would prefer kept on. Nothing that I can see that needs keeping as such from that list so will remove everything and install my own choice of anti virus & DVD playing software in the one we bought for our daughter for Xmas. To be sure of removing ALL bloatware I'm half tempted to do a full format and freshly install just the Win 10 os and take it from there. But as said, will remove the crap first & see how it performs.
It's all about the cpu model number and it's benchmark and whether it's dual or quad core not just if it's an i3 or i5 or i7. I have an i7 dual core in my laptop with a benchmark of 3900 and an i7 quad core in my desktop with a benchmark of 10,000 so a massive difference.
When I bought salesman wanted me to buy some kind of back up installation that would cost me an extra £35, and if I didn't I might lose my Windows 10 and it would take 9 hours with an USB.........not even sure what he was on about. I just said NO! Isn't that if you get a virus or something? Macfee that will have to go, Windows Defender has never caused me any issues before. All that Lenovo Bloatware will have to go too.
Kept saying no until he got the message.
I assumed at the time that by now we would have i77 or i109 etc..and the numbers would keep growing! !
The picture that I used most was of a guy standing at the far end of a dark passage. Just look at the detail of the light coloured brickwork at the back of the picture. On some screens it might have been rendered but on this the bricks were beautifully detailed.
I will keep it unopened until after Black Friday in case something better comes up - but this really did look nice.
I am considering a small SSD in place of the optical drive for the operating system and some programs.
For non game use do I really need additional memory as well?
PS Until Sunday 20/11 Quidco 10% cashback making this £269.99 assuming that it tracks properly.
To replace the optical drive with a SSD I assume that I need a SATA caddy but I don't know whether SATA2, SATA3 etc. Does it matter? It appears to be a 9mm caddy but \I would appreciate confirmation.
Am I right in thinking that I would put the operating system and programs onto the SSD and media files etc onto the existing HDD?
I'm not really clued up on computers and laptops. Could anyone tell me if this will be any good for an open university course that I am planning to do in Feb? Or are there other laptops that will suit my needs better? Thanks.
BTW those site reviews seem to have disappeared now, there was loads of them saying its slow and now they've all gone, make of that what you will.
Here is the crucial.com page for this laptops compatible memory http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/compatible-upgrade-for/Lenovo/ideapad-510-%2815-inch%29
The difference between i3/i5/i7 can be understood here http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/buying-advice/pc-components/whats-difference-between-intel-core-i3-i5-i7-3417091/
It's a year old article but the basics are there.
To see what the performance of a cpu is google the model number with benchmark added to the end of the model number in your search and open the link that takes you to the cpubenchmark page where a score is given for the model of cpu. The higher the score the better the processing power of the cpu, i.e. it can do more quicker.
Here's a link to their charts https://www.cpubenchmark.net/
As you can see from the charts i7 is not the best you can buy but generally is for desktop computing. Xeons which top the charts are generally used in servers and cost a lot of money for the processing power they give.
When I went in store I felt like I really didn't belong there. As someone who knows a lot about computers everything I overheard the sales people telling customers made me angry. Stuff like pushing anti virus/Internet security and practically saying a pc doesn't compare to a macbook.
Good riddance
Hard drive problems are not laptop manufacturer specific. They all buy drives from the same few HD manufacturers - whatever they can get cheapest I suspect.
I personally had set a maximum budget of £300 based on a mix of expected usage over the next 2-3 years and practical price as an i5 or i7 would have been overkill and wasted money for the intended usage purpose. For us and knowing my daughters intended usage she would benefit far more from a full hd screen than a slightly better spec (that would make no real difference to how well it will run) but lower res & quality screen.
If this eventually goes DEAD, and there's no battery replacement thingy?, then ..... :-(
Is it worth taking it back then?, and/or looking 'elswhere' as it were?, or ..... thanx. :-)