£7 off. Also Screwfix doing discount on other LED bulbs.
Cheapest I could find for dimmable LED bulbs.
LAP GLS VIRTUAL FILAMENT LED LAMP CLEAR BC 7W (4805H)
7kWh/1000h. A++ rated. 10,000 hours average rated life. Traditional incandescent look and feel. Virtual filament.
Warm White
Wattage: 7W
Equivalent Wattage: 60W
3 Year Manufacturer's Guarantee
Energy Efficient
Full Instant Light
Dimmable
Virtual Filament
Top comments
DanielClarke
31 Oct 1614#32
I thought I'd share this to help others
assuming you have 10 bulbs on, at 60W each
The total power consumption of 10 lights with old-style bulbs comes to 600W or 0.6kW. Electricity is sold in units of kilowatt-hours (kWh) – the amount of energy that a 1kW device uses in an hour. So each hour the 10 lights consume 0.6kWh. Based on a typical unit price of 12.2p per kWh, the 10 lights will cost 7.3p per hour to run. The daily cost is therefore 73p if on for 10 hours. This is equivalent to £5.11 a week, £21.90 a month or £266.45 a year.
If you replace all the bulbs with a 6W LED equivalent, the running costs will be just one tenth – or 7.3p per day, 51p a week, £2.19 a month and £26.65 a year.
The savings are therefore 65.7p a day, £4.60 a week, £19.70 a month or £239.80 a year.
If you bought 10 of these and binned your old bulbs you'd still save £210/year!
Obviously depending on your unit rate :smiley:
Latest comments (52)
howdiefellas
2 Nov 16#52
Who still has 60W bulbs? I swapped to energy saving 8 years ago, 2 years ago LED because of the mercury in energy saving bulbs. I had a few drop (you leave the room for 30 minutes). But still with young kids I got rid of the lot.
DanielClarke
2 Nov 16#51
Every house is different, the reply was meant to be indicative of the potential waste from your old filament style bulb.
pibpob
2 Nov 16#50
I think you mean the starter - choke and ballast are different terms for the same thing.
cheekster
2 Nov 16#49
@frownbreaker
Thank you so much for the really detailed and helpful reply.
Will check out the links and do so reading.
Really appreciated.
DanielClarke
31 Oct 1614#32
I thought I'd share this to help others
assuming you have 10 bulbs on, at 60W each
The total power consumption of 10 lights with old-style bulbs comes to 600W or 0.6kW. Electricity is sold in units of kilowatt-hours (kWh) – the amount of energy that a 1kW device uses in an hour. So each hour the 10 lights consume 0.6kWh. Based on a typical unit price of 12.2p per kWh, the 10 lights will cost 7.3p per hour to run. The daily cost is therefore 73p if on for 10 hours. This is equivalent to £5.11 a week, £21.90 a month or £266.45 a year.
If you replace all the bulbs with a 6W LED equivalent, the running costs will be just one tenth – or 7.3p per day, 51p a week, £2.19 a month and £26.65 a year.
The savings are therefore 65.7p a day, £4.60 a week, £19.70 a month or £239.80 a year.
If you bought 10 of these and binned your old bulbs you'd still save £210/year!
Obviously depending on your unit rate :smiley:
grahamfromoldham to DanielClarke
31 Oct 161#38
Excellent write up Daniel, you should get 'heat' for just this!
RowanDDR to DanielClarke
1 Nov 16#45
Thats a really great bit of theory. However, in practice, its different. From personal experience I've seen that oddball brand LED bulbs can die within 3-4 months of normal use. Then your maths goes out the window. Whatever you are buying, keep the packaging and receipt and be prepared to hound the seller/shop for a refund/replacement if your bulbs go pop too soon. That said, so far I've been pleasantly surprised that retailers from China to the UK have simply sent me replacements without any quibbles when I've had issues with bulbs.
getmore4less to DanielClarke
2 Nov 16#48
How many people have 10 x 60watt bulbs on 10hr a day every day, even in the winter?
Reality check needed.
an alternative way.
@ 12.2p per kWh 1x60w is 0.732pph saving is 0.6558pph
with the cost of 299p payback is 456hrs or average 75 mins a day for a year
MRPRO_MO2012
2 Nov 16#47
Hey, thanks for the LED lesson I really appreciate your input :wink: I've learnt alot from your 2 posts on LEDs Thank a'Mil.:sunglasses:
Also Thanks OP for sharing the deal I picked up 2 yeaterday, think I will get some cool white ones when a deal pops up. :sunglasses: HEAT!
frownbreaker
2 Nov 162#46
The V-Pro Dimmers are good (ignore the bad reviews where people don't fit the cover properly and complain it falls off!) they come withe a 10 year warranty. http://www.varilight.co.uk/configurator/product.php?code=JDQP401S
I'd recommend popping into screwfix to get one (Keep the packaing in case you need to return it)
Keep the receipt in case of returns. The dimmer should be a simple fit. Check the depth as you need 3.5cm clearance INSIDE the pattress box (the metal box in the wall that holds the dimmer),
You should be fine with these. A few points if you are new to LED bulbs
1) They are electronic devices not vacuum tubes with glowing metal. So if the casing is exposed you can touch 240v power! The cases are NOT gas tight vacuums often they are plastic and can break open / snap so make sure the power is off when handling them. Don't think LOW POWER = LOW VOLTAGE
2) It actually economic to replace all the filament lighting you have and use more than 10 hours total per week.
3) CFLs close to LEDs for efficiency but the LEDs instant on and longer life and better light might make you want to move
4) There is a range of LED lamp sizes, shapes and power outputs look around
5) You can replace fluorescent fittings with LEDs (tubes and speciality fluorescent) if you are going to do this is best to wait until a ballast or transformer needs replacing (chokes are cheap) but remember most of the LED replacements need you to by-pass the ballast and choke (I'd recommend removing both) and wiring the the LED unit direct to the mains.
6) Some of the LED lamps you get will fail. Its normally a faulty electronic part. don't worry if its under warranty replace it. If not replacements are cheap.
Yes the Chinese lead the world in LED production and lighting most parts of Asia is ahead of the UK. A lot sellers on Ali Express ship from the UK just search and set ship from to UK.
I've had a few bulbs arrive damages (pins broken off the BC) but and a 4 units pop after 3 months (all different makes / models) I've kept them for spares. The quality of the units today is MUCH better than a year or 2 ago and it continues at an amazing pace.
Topcashback works on Ebay, AliExpress, and Screwfix click and collect (no delivery charge)
Worth looking at Wickes for their CREE base dimmable GU10s BYGOF at the moment
techno12
1 Nov 16#44
Just picked mine up to put in my Ikea uplighter.
Works a treat, far better than the previous dimmable CFL bulb that was in there. Makes next to no noise and goes down to a lower level - no flicker or anything.
cheekster
1 Nov 16#43
You seem to know your stuff regarding LED bulbs etc, if you can spare the time would you please be able to suggest a dimmable 60w (clinical) White bayonet LED bulb and suitable dimmer? If there's a choice, a standard rotary knob type dimmer and also a touch control and/or remote control. Lastly, a 60w clinical white non-dimmable bayonet LED bulb as that will be the easiest option to swap out the existing low energy bulb that doesn't offer enough light.
I've never purchased any LED bulbs for in home use due to the daunting choices/options available and reading some of the comments posted here, it seems I'm not the only one.
Would prefer not having to take a shot in the dark and keep needing to return inappropriate/incorrect items if possible.
OOS :disappointed: do screwfix usually get more stock? I'm
Sure they've been selling these for a while and they've been OOS in the past.
alkydale
31 Oct 16#40
Bought some LED bulbs from Poundworld and they're great!
gazdoubleu
31 Oct 162#6
Don't you need a dimmer module designed especially for LED's on these?
HellRazer to gazdoubleu
31 Oct 16#7
An "LED dimmer" allows for a low minimal wattage. I think a standard dimmer has a min value of 5W. Just Google it I suppose.
frownbreaker to gazdoubleu
31 Oct 162#39
Yes. Check the dimmer your have. It needs 2 things
1) It needs trailing or leading edge dimming
2) The minimum load needs to be LESS than the power of the bulb in this case 7W
I recently replaces a 400W dimmer made by Varilight with a unit that looks identical made by Varilight but the new one was compatible with LEDs. It is programmable (you can select leading or trailing edge dimming - Needed as some LED lamps only dim correctly with one type, and you can set the minimum brightness- Needed as most LED bulbs flicker when the dimmer is on minimum so the set up this dimmer lets you set the minimum brightness. Once set up it works like the old dimmer)
Amazingly the new unit I purchases cost LESS than the original!
I was going to recommend the unit I got but reading the spec the min load is 10W (Box on the top right of page 2 of the specs) so this is not the dimmer for you reading the specs. That said its all a bit hit and miss. I'd recommend you purchase the dimmer from a place that has a good returns policy in case the mix of dimmer and lamp don't work for you.
If you want to keep your existing dimmer you can go down the dummy load route, but this is costly and complex also it wastes energy which may be why you wanted LED lamps in the first place!
I had a look for dimmers and could not find any with a minimum wattage of below 10W. Might be worth trying the Varilight one from Screwfix as its well made and might work - Screwfix are normally good with returns.
This is a bargain prices for a unit with a warranty sold in the UK by a large retailer. None in stock near me but worth checking on the Screwfix site to see if you can find some locally. + TopCashBack
** Off topic- IF you want GU10 Wickes have a buy one get one free offer that looks good. There own brand GU10s are CREE LED based superb light and quality IMHO. I'm not sure what the Screwfix GU10s are like watching the video they look like CREE but I think Wikes might be cheaper **
StuPoo
31 Oct 16#37
Is it too late to plant tulip bulbs ?
Solly92
31 Oct 161#28
I would be dubious about reliability of these. No regulating electronics just a huge number of tiny LEDs wired in series so high mains voltage can drive them directly. That means a huge number of failure points. No mechanical heat sinking on the LED filaments either so they will run hot and be more likely to fail.
pibpob to Solly92
31 Oct 16#36
The LEDs are distributed, making heat dissipation better.
jozski
31 Oct 16#35
oos most places
Demps
31 Oct 16#34
great deal for this
ianc1990
31 Oct 16#33
None anywhere close to me.
RowanDDR
31 Oct 16#14
No CRI stated? SNAP - the sound of my wallet slamming shut.
Rahan to RowanDDR
31 Oct 16#31
CRI not great
3 Mar 2016
By mistadave
Fareham
" The LAP filament LED bulbs are pretty good but compared to others at a similar price I've found the colour rendering isn't as good which means everything is in a bit of a yellow hue. It doesn't state anywhere what CRI these should be but others which state they are >80 seem to show things in a more natural colour. "
GRiDlock
31 Oct 16#30
We have these are the only problem is our lutron dimmer when slid to full makes the bulbs flash!! no big deal as even 3/4 way up is good brightness. Also they do buzz on very low loads.
geolykos
31 Oct 16#29
I wouldnt buy unless you re 100% your dimmwr can handle these. I tried 2 different ones on a new touch lamp and there was a lot of buzzing when the LED was dimmed. Ended up buying a normal halogen instead
shedloads
31 Oct 16#27
Just buy a proper incandescent bulb.
MrJinxy
31 Oct 16#12
Do these dim all the way off or do they get to a certain point of dim level before they turn off?
Dave_dave69 to MrJinxy
31 Oct 161#15
Doesn't "dim all the way" = turned off?
engladesh to MrJinxy
31 Oct 16#26
Doesn't dim like the old bulbs. I'd say mine dims from 60 down to around 25 but it's way too bright even with a light coloured light shade on. If your used to dimming all the way down then this ain't for u
Thanks OP - reserved an "edison screw" version. Worth a punt at £3 to replace the dimmable CFL bulb in my Ikea uplighter lamp. That one makes a buzzing noise, and intermittently flashes on when the dimmer is set to 'off', so I'm hoping this will be better,
No, some LED dimmable bulbs do not dim all the way off. They dim to a certain level of light then just switch off.
sgrech
31 Oct 16#21
Hot but not hot if you know what I mean :laughing:
Wibblefish
31 Oct 16#20
I am looking for something similar for a touch lamp but with a small eddison screw fitting. i get so overwhelmed while searching with all the choice :disappointed: sick of replacing halogen bulbs every few weeks in my bedside lamp.
It it a 3 setting touch lamp rather then dimmable but assume i need a dimmable bulb still. any help would be appreciated.
SCOUSEKEVIN
31 Oct 161#19
The driver in dimmable LED lamps may work with many types of dimmer but not all, for instance LED lamps tend to work better with trailing-edge dimmers rather than leading-edge dimmers, but an existing dimmer may have a minimum load that is too high for an LED lamp, e.g. A 60W filament lamp may use a dimmer that has a minimum load of 25W the replacement LED has a power rating of 6.5W - below the level required by the dimmer. Dedicated LED dimmers have a very low minimum power rating.
pebsham
31 Oct 16#18
OOS now
stoopid_name
31 Oct 16#17
Not strictly true. The colour temp doesn't increase(get warmer) as it dims. It just stays the same so doesn't feel as cosy as an old school dimmed bulb.
I have purchased these and they are FIRST CLASS.............AAA
mixpioneer
31 Oct 16#13
Brilliant bulbs for the price. Closest light you will get to a real filament bulb. Very cosy and warm light, but still bright enough to light the room. Have tried lots of different energy saver and LED bulbs, but all are too clinical and cold. These are perfect!
Bought these a few months back for the same price, was already posted on here at the time.
Good price, brighter than standard LED lights mainly due to the proper glass bulb.
topgun06
31 Oct 161#9
Good price. Picked one up at the start of last week for the new outdoor light. Does a good job.
Bigfootpete
31 Oct 162#8
£7 off? Do they seriously sell these for £10 normally?
KuK
31 Oct 162#5
Been this price for sometime...
I have 4 and all are working great, look higher then 60 watt on the brightest.
Will not go fully down, more like steps, but, It does look great on the lowest setting, just like normal filament bulb should look :smiley:
sradmad
30 Oct 16#4
good find op, heat added
liamf12
30 Oct 16#3
Been this price as an electrifix account holder for a while. First one only lasted a month before strobing, easily replaced in store and second one is still going strong. Good amount of light and definitely 60w equivalent.
morrig
30 Oct 161#2
Good value,in Home Bargains they have a new range called Luminate and they had a dimmable 5 watt gu10 340 lumens for £1.89,the only one in the range that was dimmable.Silly sod me bought a G9 bulb to see how bright it was at 230 lumens compared to the 205 lumens of normal bulb they have in bathroom overhead mirror lights, and after opening realised it was to big ,£1.29 wasted?
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Opening post
Cheapest I could find for dimmable LED bulbs.
LAP GLS VIRTUAL FILAMENT LED LAMP CLEAR BC 7W (4805H)
7kWh/1000h. A++ rated. 10,000 hours average rated life. Traditional incandescent look and feel. Virtual filament.
Warm White
Wattage: 7W
Equivalent Wattage: 60W
3 Year Manufacturer's Guarantee
Energy Efficient
Full Instant Light
Dimmable
Virtual Filament
Top comments
assuming you have 10 bulbs on, at 60W each
The total power consumption of 10 lights with old-style bulbs comes to 600W or 0.6kW. Electricity is sold in units of kilowatt-hours (kWh) – the amount of energy that a 1kW device uses in an hour. So each hour the 10 lights consume 0.6kWh. Based on a typical unit price of 12.2p per kWh, the 10 lights will cost 7.3p per hour to run. The daily cost is therefore 73p if on for 10 hours. This is equivalent to £5.11 a week, £21.90 a month or £266.45 a year.
If you replace all the bulbs with a 6W LED equivalent, the running costs will be just one tenth – or 7.3p per day, 51p a week, £2.19 a month and £26.65 a year.
The savings are therefore 65.7p a day, £4.60 a week, £19.70 a month or £239.80 a year.
If you bought 10 of these and binned your old bulbs you'd still save £210/year!
Obviously depending on your unit rate :smiley:
Latest comments (52)
Thank you so much for the really detailed and helpful reply.
Will check out the links and do so reading.
Really appreciated.
assuming you have 10 bulbs on, at 60W each
The total power consumption of 10 lights with old-style bulbs comes to 600W or 0.6kW. Electricity is sold in units of kilowatt-hours (kWh) – the amount of energy that a 1kW device uses in an hour. So each hour the 10 lights consume 0.6kWh. Based on a typical unit price of 12.2p per kWh, the 10 lights will cost 7.3p per hour to run. The daily cost is therefore 73p if on for 10 hours. This is equivalent to £5.11 a week, £21.90 a month or £266.45 a year.
If you replace all the bulbs with a 6W LED equivalent, the running costs will be just one tenth – or 7.3p per day, 51p a week, £2.19 a month and £26.65 a year.
The savings are therefore 65.7p a day, £4.60 a week, £19.70 a month or £239.80 a year.
If you bought 10 of these and binned your old bulbs you'd still save £210/year!
Obviously depending on your unit rate :smiley:
Reality check needed.
an alternative way.
@ 12.2p per kWh 1x60w is 0.732pph saving is 0.6558pph
with the cost of 299p payback is 456hrs or average 75 mins a day for a year
Also Thanks OP for sharing the deal I picked up 2 yeaterday, think I will get some cool white ones when a deal pops up. :sunglasses: HEAT!
http://www.varilight.co.uk/configurator/product.php?code=JDQP401S
I'd recommend popping into screwfix to get one (Keep the packaing in case you need to return it)
If you have filament bulbs at the moment the these warm white ones should be fine
LED GLS Dimmable 12W Lamp BC 1050lm
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Lighting/d220/LED+GLS+Lamps/sd3382/Integral+LED+Filament+Dimmable+GLS+A67+Plastic+Lamp/p45676
If the first one is too ugly then the Integral LED Filament Dimmable GLS A67 Plastic Lamp 12W BC 1521lm looks better like a normal bulb
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Lighting/d220/LED+GLS+Lamps/sd3382/LED+GLS+Dimmable+12W+Lamp/p54833
Keep the receipt in case of returns. The dimmer should be a simple fit. Check the depth as you need 3.5cm clearance INSIDE the pattress box (the metal box in the wall that holds the dimmer),
You should be fine with these. A few points if you are new to LED bulbs
1) They are electronic devices not vacuum tubes with glowing metal. So if the casing is exposed you can touch 240v power! The cases are NOT gas tight vacuums often they are plastic and can break open / snap so make sure the power is off when handling them. Don't think LOW POWER = LOW VOLTAGE
2) It actually economic to replace all the filament lighting you have and use more than 10 hours total per week.
3) CFLs close to LEDs for efficiency but the LEDs instant on and longer life and better light might make you want to move
4) There is a range of LED lamp sizes, shapes and power outputs look around
5) You can replace fluorescent fittings with LEDs (tubes and speciality fluorescent) if you are going to do this is best to wait until a ballast or transformer needs replacing (chokes are cheap) but remember most of the LED replacements need you to by-pass the ballast and choke (I'd recommend removing both) and wiring the the LED unit direct to the mains.
6) Some of the LED lamps you get will fail. Its normally a faulty electronic part. don't worry if its under warranty replace it. If not replacements are cheap.
I've used this brand on ebay but remember the warranty may not me what you expect. That seller also sells the same units in auctions. Alwasy check that the units are BC22 (Bayonet) and Dimmable!
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8W-10W-12W-B22-LED-Light-Bulb-Dimmable-2835-SMD-Warm-Cool-White-Standard-Lamp-/251992944483?ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT
If you want a range of non dimmable BC22 then the ones in the pound shop and on Ali Express are worth a look
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/LED-E27-B22-5730-SMD-3W-5W-7W-9W-12W-LED-Bulbs-110V-220V-Led-Lamp/32656379978.html
I've also found the bulbs with built in PIR great for walking in closets
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bonlux-5W-B22-BC-PIR-Infrared-Motion-Sensor-LED-Bulb-/192001289543
You can also get ones that colour change, have wifi etc....
Oh you asked about touch dimmers I'd stick the Varilight
https://www.downlights.co.uk/varilight-eclique-touch-dimmer-switches.html
Yes the Chinese lead the world in LED production and lighting most parts of Asia is ahead of the UK. A lot sellers on Ali Express ship from the UK just search and set ship from to UK.
I've had a few bulbs arrive damages (pins broken off the BC) but and a 4 units pop after 3 months (all different makes / models) I've kept them for spares. The quality of the units today is MUCH better than a year or 2 ago and it continues at an amazing pace.
Topcashback works on Ebay, AliExpress, and Screwfix click and collect (no delivery charge)
Worth looking at Wickes for their CREE base dimmable GU10s BYGOF at the moment
Works a treat, far better than the previous dimmable CFL bulb that was in there. Makes next to no noise and goes down to a lower level - no flicker or anything.
I've never purchased any LED bulbs for in home use due to the daunting choices/options available and reading some of the comments posted here, it seems I'm not the only one.
Would prefer not having to take a shot in the dark and keep needing to return inappropriate/incorrect items if possible.
Thanks in advance.
if you are looking for GU10 bulb this will help.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/2-for-1-gu10-led-halogen-bulbs-eg-5w-led-1-50-each-wickes-2534618
Sure they've been selling these for a while and they've been OOS in the past.
1) It needs trailing or leading edge dimming
2) The minimum load needs to be LESS than the power of the bulb in this case 7W
I recently replaces a 400W dimmer made by Varilight with a unit that looks identical made by Varilight but the new one was compatible with LEDs. It is programmable (you can select leading or trailing edge dimming - Needed as some LED lamps only dim correctly with one type, and you can set the minimum brightness- Needed as most LED bulbs flicker when the dimmer is on minimum so the set up this dimmer lets you set the minimum brightness. Once set up it works like the old dimmer)
Amazingly the new unit I purchases cost LESS than the original!
I was going to recommend the unit I got but reading the spec the min load is 10W (Box on the top right of page 2 of the specs) so this is not the dimmer for you reading the specs. That said its all a bit hit and miss. I'd recommend you purchase the dimmer from a place that has a good returns policy in case the mix of dimmer and lamp don't work for you.
If you want to keep your existing dimmer you can go down the dummy load route, but this is costly and complex also it wastes energy which may be why you wanted LED lamps in the first place!
http://www.screwfix.com/p/varilight-trailing-edge-push-dimmer-1g-1-2w-400w-va/94816
http://www.free-instruction-manuals.com/pdf/pa_359533.pdf
This is a good explanation of dimming and LED lamp use https://www.led-lighthouse.co.uk/dimming-led-lights and this one also https://www.universal-lighting.co.uk/choosing-the-correct-dimmer-switch
I had a look for dimmers and could not find any with a minimum wattage of below 10W. Might be worth trying the Varilight one from Screwfix as its well made and might work - Screwfix are normally good with returns.
This is a bargain prices for a unit with a warranty sold in the UK by a large retailer. None in stock near me but worth checking on the Screwfix site to see if you can find some locally. + TopCashBack
** Off topic- IF you want GU10 Wickes have a buy one get one free offer that looks good. There own brand GU10s are CREE LED based superb light and quality IMHO. I'm not sure what the Screwfix GU10s are like watching the video they look like CREE but I think Wikes might be cheaper **
3 Mar 2016
By mistadave
Fareham
" The LAP filament LED bulbs are pretty good but compared to others at a similar price I've found the colour rendering isn't as good which means everything is in a bit of a yellow hue. It doesn't state anywhere what CRI these should be but others which state they are >80 seem to show things in a more natural colour. "
£4.89 http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-golf-ball-led-filament-lamp-warm-white-ses-4w/8232j
£4.89 http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-candle-led-filament-lamp-warm-white-ses-4w/9610j
or £3.99 http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-candle-opal-led-lamp-white-ses-6w/9106g
http://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-candle-opal-led-lamp-white-ses-6w/9106g
It it a 3 setting touch lamp rather then dimmable but assume i need a dimmable bulb still. any help would be appreciated.
For an LED bulb that does this you need: http://www.philips.co.uk/c-m-li/warm-glow-dimmable-led-lighting
Good price, brighter than standard LED lights mainly due to the proper glass bulb.
I have 4 and all are working great, look higher then 60 watt on the brightest.
Will not go fully down, more like steps, but, It does look great on the lowest setting, just like normal filament bulb should look :smiley: