Of course it messes around directly with your immune system, it wouldn't be much use as a vaccine otherwise, would it.

Flu jab doesn't prevent flu. It's a live virus that gives you flu. I will never get it even if they paid me. it's all money making business

It's not a live virus, it doesn't give you'flu, and moneymaking for whom? Lemsip?

Flu*

Not for me thank you.

flu jab, what the heck is flue?

I think it's for heavy smokers

cold for me

Cold?

Voted HOT, HOT, HOT! especially as they have not raised the price since 19th September

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/asda-flu-jabs-now-5-from-19th-september-2511363

good find paid £12 in boots last year

Smartprice Flu Jab £5
Chosen by You Influenza Vaccine £10

Same stuff, different label :wink::smile:

Cheers OP good price, although personally I'll be asking for the flu prevention jab :wink:

Free for NHS staff at work, and those with certain health conditions via GP.

Of course it messes around directly with your immune system, it wouldn't be much use as a vaccine otherwise, would it.

Isn't the flu jab how the human population in I am legend (the film) got devastated?

Does anyone know if you have to take proof if you come from an 'eligible' group?

Flu jab doesn't prevent flu. It's a live virus that gives you flu. I will never get it even if they paid me. it's all money making business

Devastated
To lay waste / destroy :sunglasses:

​The flu vaccine contains inactivated strains of flu and is therefore not a live vaccine.

Fingers crossed its the right version this year :smiley:

​of course it's a live virus,weakened but live and money making business for those who produce vaccines,when did it prevent people from flu? it's totally opposite I'm afraid. And then you go and spend money on things to make you better so who's the winner? Vit c,healthy diet and you don't need any vacancies.

idiot

I very much hope you're trolling for a reaction and not so misinformed.

a way to control the population

​Cherry boy didn't say to spend money on vitamins and/or similar supplements. Vitamin c can come from natural foods too. Did you notice his words "healthy diet"

I got duped into taking the flu jab for a few years a while ago. Got sick at least twice a year. Then decided not to bother and lo & behold I only have a small bout of flu about once every 5 years. Go figure. Please no smart asses saying its the vaccination doing its job because that pile of $h*t is only supposed to last a year.

Cherry didn't say that no but the emoticon was meant to indicate that it was simply a tongue in cheek comment and we don't have a way of knowing exactly what they meant regardless.

I did notice their words but a healthy diet is unfortunately not a guaranteed prevention for disease. There is a common misconception that a high vitamin C intake from whatever source can treat and/or prevent colds, flu etc but this is simply not true.

I'm not sure why you think you were "duped", you suggest a vaccine caused you to become ill more often but we cannot state it was the cause and that's assuming it is a viable cause. Like all vaccines, the flu vaccine is not guaranteed to prevent flu and it's efficacy will naturally vary each and every year but that doesn't make it a "pile of $h*t". Of course you are not guaranteed to get flu every year if you don't have the vaccine, the vaccine is not some miracle preventative measure. The vaccine is aimed at those that are vulnerable to flu. You and I are probably otherwise young and healthy, we will probably get the flu regardless once every few years, sometimes more often, sometimes less, and we will be fine after a few days. Those that are vulnerable or susceptible to flu have a higher risk of struggling with flu and more importantly a higher risk of the complications associated with it such as pneumonia.

Vaccines are not solely about us, they benefit others and society as a whole, particularly those who cannot be vaccinated and the immunocompromised such as the elderly and children which is why they have vaccination programs for these groups. If everyone had the flu vaccine, it would help in reducing the total incidence of, the risk of exposure to and the associated complications of the disease but this is mainly limited by budgets. If you live with or regularly come into contact with vulnerable groups, it is a good idea to get the flu vaccine hence why all NHS workers are encouraged to get it too.

Sorry to be a smart ass but technically it is somewhat possible that your previous flu jabs are still helping. A new jab is given each year because the virus mutates so quickly and so different strains are more likely to be more prevalent in the upcoming season, not simply that the previous jab wore off although it is likely your protection will have dropped.

​Unfortunately, unless you are given the live flu the day it is bottled, it has already mutated rendering it less effective.
Also, the body identifies virus/bacteria and has a select way of doing so. Injecting the virus directly into muscle tissue is not a normal wayof obtaining such.
Our immune systems been doing pretty well without vaccinations for years and years. Unless we are immunosupressant, why jepodise our amazing bodies? Anyho, each to their own....

free at the docs

I think deeply that opposing side of views are correct.
1/ virus versus anti-viral vaccine , is forever a battle (since virus mutates),
2/ so technically a specific vaccine may be helpful in the short term but is ineffective in the long term,
3/ without a doubt, specificity works for some but not all, so for some preventative and for some not,
4/ body own immune system has or not worked through millennia, it depend on your own choice
5/ the word "prevent" means differently depending on whether it is used specifically for one named person, or generally across the population

​agreed

You're kidding, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poliomyelitis#History

"Use of this inactivated poliovirus vaccine and subsequent widespread use of the oral poliovirus vaccine developed by Albert Sabin led to establishment of the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI) in 1988. Since then, GPEI has reduced polio worldwide by 99%"

yes mate, each to their own................ you idiot :confused:

I was going to do that this year,but uncertain if my GP will be a bit off hand as he wont get his payment.(apparently GP's get paid for every flu jab they give out?)

Anybody who administers it gets paid for every flu jab they give out (Otherwise they have no incentive to stop doing other work and to administer flu jabs, that includes Asda, pharmacies, GPs).

GPs order a set number of vaccines each year and they get a reasonable sized income from giving out thousands of flu vaccines to eligible people. Asda meanwhile have a very good source of income from selling food every day of the year, if you get what I mean. It's roughly the same amount of money paid but certain supermarkets don't 'need' the source of income from flu vaccines as much as certain GPs and to a certain extent some pharmacies.

Also they have to order flu vaccines much in advance - and Asda can share them around hundreds of stores (If some sell out whilst others have surplus), whilst a GP can get stuck with 200 flu vaccines as they didn't realise so many would go elsewher.

You seem to be suggesting vaccines don't work or aren't that effective because an injection is unnatural as if whether or not something is natural determines if it's good or bad. You also suggest vaccines somehow jeopardise our bodies when they are very safe. The risk of serious complications of vaccines are considered to be about 1 in a million. That risk is very outweighed by the risks of the diseases and complications they prevent, dieseases and complications that can place your body in a lot of jeopardy. I think you are misunderstanding some of the biology by applying very naturalistic logic to it.

Our immune systems have not been doing well. Go back 200 years and check out how many children and people died of the consumption (TB), diphtheria etc. Vaccines are undeniably one of the biggest benefits to our health in human history.

just found this online,seems pharmacies are getting more than GP's for the flu shots.
http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/your-practice/practice-topics/practice-income/pharmacists-could-be-paid-more-for-flu-jabs-than-gp-practices-gpc-warns-/20010582.fullarticle

​lol small bout of flu. you must be confusing the influenza virus with the common cold. If you got the flu or have every had the flu you will know it can wipe even a health 20 something out for days. hence why they target these are vulnerable people

Yes I forgot about that article! It appears in 2015 that the rate was indeed more for pharmacists (Your link was the proposal, but it does appear they followed through with it) - and the following article says the contracts have remained the same for 2016 - so pharmacists do still earn an extra £1.50/patient compared to a GP.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/2016/05/recommission/

you certainly don't need a flu jab if you are under (say) 60 & healthy

complete waste of money

your body will deal fine with the flu virus & indeed strengthen you in the process

​sarcasm?

​1. We are still populating the planet = Immune system is doing ok.
2. We are discussing the flu virus, not polio, tetnus
3. Most of these disease anyhow were due to poor sanitation, poor nurishment etc. Im not denying some of these vaccines are effective but we're talking about the flu vaccine...

but your not talking about just the flu vaccine....

"Our immune systems been doing pretty well without vaccinations for years and years.

there are many things in this world that are bad, and need people to stand aginst them, but your attacking something that has saved millions of lives, and worse still putting off pepole from getting immunised and risking lives.

And actually genuine flu kills people every single year. Not just the elderly and those with poor chronic health. Though I hate to trouble you hukd medical experts with facts.

1. We? We might be, the people dying and catching the diseases that are practically extinct in our part of the world, their immune systems don't seem to be working very well and they probably won't be. You claim that our immune systems have been doing well for years and years without vaccines. This list of pandemics throughout history suggests otherwise.
2. We are discussing the flu yes but it's relevant and gives context to the idea that our immune systems are "doing ok".
3. See previous pic. Some of them are effective meaning just the flu vaccine is ineffective? You say some are effective but you also said "why jeopardise our amazing bodies?". Also India, which is well known for it's fairly poor sanitation, has done quite well almost eradicating polio through vaccination. Flu, measles etc are highly contagious airborne viruses, a decent diet and sanitation won't help with those.

Each to their own as you say, I just think a flu vaccine can help protect others around you.

​1. We are talking about the flu vaccine. The vaccine has only been around for a relatively short period of time. I genuinely believe it is a money making scheme.

This statement is not inclusive for all vaccines. Some, if you cared to ask me are very effective and deserve credit.

...and to your additional comment, (flu causing other conditions) mainly kills the elderly or those who are immunocompromised. Yes, it does kill others but usually, they have an underlying condition.

Facts? I havnt seen any references.

Expert? I wont call myself an expert but I am a health care professional who works daily in a busy AE.

How could a person know that he could qualify for a flu jab ??

Anyone over the age of 65, pregnant (any trimester), suffer from any heart, kidney, liver or neurological condition, have a weakened immune system, live in a care home facility, receive a carer's allowance or are the main carer of a elderly person and are a frontline NHS or social worker is strongly recommended to get a flu jab. They are available free of charge from any pharmacy in England and of course your GP.

I don't know how Asda are making their money though. I heard from one of my pharmacist friends that the vaccine itself costs £5 to buy.