Who TF sits at a 120 degree angle with the monitor on the floor when playing games.

I have two 27" monitors

- Dell S2716DG (TN, 1440p, 144hz and G-Sync)
- Dell Ultrasharp U2713H (IPS and 1440p)

I would never play games on my IPS, the responsiveness of a TN and 144hz is just unreal. It really is THAT much of a difference. You need to try one to really know.

I would never edit video/images or watch video on my TN... The colour accuracy on IPS and general quality of what is displayed is fantastic.

Yes you can get IPS 144hz displays - but for me personally i still think TN is the way to go for gaming.

I've also never understood the "Viewing Angles" argument... If you're younger and using it as both a PC monitor you sit at and perhaps a TV for when you're laying in bed - yes i can see that becoming a bit problematic.. But if like me it's sat in your home office, each display is always sat in direct view.

​Sorry but that is rubbish. The bad viewing angles are intrinsic to the underlying way TN works. You will never find a TN that can be viewed perfectly from a wide view or high above/low down. It just doesn't exist.

He didn't state that. You may have inferred that, but that makes you incorrect in that.

Nothing wrong with viewing angles on TN panels unless they are budget screens.

Great gaming monitor

Perfectly? No you are correct, but they are still miles better than they used to be.

Still the colour reproduction is not as good. But then again they are cheap...

Who TF sits at a 120 degree angle with the monitor on the floor when playing games.

Once you've gamed with 144hz, it's very hard to go back.... Buttery smooth! I'm gutted that I sold my 27" 144hz monitor after buying it for £173 a while back.

Yes agreed, a lot better, but it's misleading to state that TN technology has no relevance to viewing angles. Just plain wrong.

I have two 27" monitors

- Dell S2716DG (TN, 1440p, 144hz and G-Sync)
- Dell Ultrasharp U2713H (IPS and 1440p)

I would never play games on my IPS, the responsiveness of a TN and 144hz is just unreal. It really is THAT much of a difference. You need to try one to really know.

I would never edit video/images or watch video on my TN... The colour accuracy on IPS and general quality of what is displayed is fantastic.

Yes you can get IPS 144hz displays - but for me personally i still think TN is the way to go for gaming.

I've also never understood the "Viewing Angles" argument... If you're younger and using it as both a PC monitor you sit at and perhaps a TV for when you're laying in bed - yes i can see that becoming a bit problematic.. But if like me it's sat in your home office, each display is always sat in direct view.

I have a 32 inch monitor that I use on my desk but then sometimes like to lie on the couch and watch a film or Sky Go. I have a TN beside my main monitor and it's completely unreadable in that situation.

Not to mention the far better colours with IPS.

He didn't state that. You may have inferred that, but that makes you incorrect in that.

No point cheaping out on a monitor at the end when you got a beefy enough system to run 144hz on games

Just bought the Asus VG248QE 144hz monitor the other day for £220 through Amazon on Amazon, unlucky as the ViewSonic is supposed to be better in quality, less flickery, better colours and with the bonus of FreeSync for those with AMD cards capable. This might be the best 144hz TN 24" monitor without GSync from reviews and 'vs' posts I've been reading.

Could I return my Asus to Amazon? I've set it up and got rid of the huge stock amazon box but still have the asus box and all parts, still got the plastic protective layer all over the monitor...

Haha, please explain how the above quote isn't definitive. I don't really enjoy having to explain semantics to people on the internet.

He is quite clearly stating, as fact, that TN has no implications on viewing angles, only the price of monitor. That is laughably wrong. I'm not sure how you can misinterpret that.

Can someone confirm the response time? It says 1 but there are other areas where it says something else.

Ive got the Asus ROG G SYNC monitor and I agree with those who say it is like night and day to 60hz

Expensive but worth every penny

Are you sure? Your reply would indicate the contrary... (The action, not content, in case that isn't clear)

No way, Viewsonic have the imminent release of the ViewSonic XG2703-GS - 2560x1440 165Hz refresh rate with G-Sync, which will cost around £700 >>http://www.viewsoniceurope.com/uk/products/lcd/XG2703-GS.php

I remember buying a Viewsonic VP191b back around 2003 for over £300+

Oh dear, I was hoping we could avoid the TN/IPS debate.

I think most of us understand the limitations of TN, but also the advantages, for a gaming monitor in this price range it's the clear choice.

I have been tempted to go IPS but as I use my PC for gaming around 95% of the time I figured this was still the best choice for me.

The only thing that slightly put me off this screen is the aesthetics, but it's not too bad looking.

Also, if anyone wants a decent and in depth review:

https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/viewsonic-xg2401/

I have an iiyama 144hz 1ms 24" TN which was £189, to be honest I think the most important element is the Freesync technology and its relative range of operation (some manufacturers have 30-XXXhz, others 45-XXXhz) which is more relevant than the Hz capability of the monitor IMO, if you're running titles maxed out, Freesync has the ability to mask it all from you, so despite running at 35fps, your eyes won't detect any different to running at 60fps.

Personally I'd go for a cheap TN panel, like this one at £129:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aoc-g2460vq6-24-1920x1080-tn-freesync-1ms-gaming-widescreen-led-monitor-black-red-mo-035-ao.html

As I feel we're approaching a crossroads where we'll begin to see an increasing take-up of 1440p. The monitor I posted will be good for 18 months at which point you can make it your second monitor for office/browsing and use your new 1440p higher end panel for larger requirements, like gaming or editing.

If you have a look on YT there's plenty of examples where people in to racing or flight games have gone with 3 of these panels and got a very nice 1ms Freesync setup for under £400!

Good monitor and specs for the price!

144hz,
~10ms input lag,
freesync,
usb 3.0 hub.

Not long ago I was considering buying it at £249, but I managed to get asus ROG with slightly higher spec for 20 quid more. For this price it's no brainer and I would get this one instead.

Internet Lives Matter!

You should understand that the nature of the market mean we want monitors that can be viewed at 379 degree. Yep we want more and more never satisfied

Now expired. I am so sad right now. have been googling to make sure it was a good purchase and now expired when i was about to order. i missed the £140 asus vg248qe a few days ago also, again also by matter of minutes. FML Maybe shoukd buy a gpu first anyway.... this is so hard

Come on dude. Variable sync is great but its not magic!!!

This isn't true at all.

FreeSync doesn't mask low FPS rates, it stops tearing.

A 35 FPS title compared to a 60 FPS title will still feel very sluggish turning, with many tears.

Don't believe me?

Give this a try on your freesync, tell me how masked the FPS is.

http://www.testufo.com/

For racing titles, its far more important to get closer to 144hz than having FreeSync.

This motion test shows why.

Now oos and £242.46

Nate, have a freesync monitor do you?

The two things that ruin a gaming experience at tearing and stuttering, avoiding those issues your experience is drastically more immersive.

Go watch some YT tests of people demonstrating it if you've never had the pleasure, rather than shooting down something I have first hand experience of, daily.

You would not notice frame drops from 60fps to 35fps on my monitor, I can tell you that. You also wouldn't notice drops on areas of games like Witcher 3, or Arma 3.

I also doubt you could tell me a game running at 60hz versus 144hz on the same hardware with freesync enabled although I'm certain you'll disagree - either way, I stand by my comment. Spend the money on the 60hz monitor and upgrade to a decent 1440p when budget and hardware allows.

I would absolutely notice a frame drop of 35, I can tell you that.

I've got a 144hz monitor right here, no need to pretend you know what I can tell or not tell, I am telling you, full stop, I can easily tell the difference between a game that is running 30, 60, and 120.

I can't tell the difference between 120/144/165 though.

Also, 35 FPS in ARMA 3? Ouch man, that's gotta be painful to play. I can't play FPS or 3PS with that low of FPS. I would feel like I'm standing in sludge while aiming, moving, turning.

35 FPS turns. This is a 35 FPS turn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDyRUTB1_Go

I mean, you can sit here and tell people 35 FPS is enough, but I'll let others be the judge.

Purchased the Viewsonic 24" freesync 75hz monitor for less than £100 and I'm well impressed. Even 75hz compared to 60hz is noticeable. Freesync is great as well. Reduces screen tear by 95%

You still have no idea how Freesync and LFC work though, that much is clear.

Go read about it as you haven't ever experienced it.

Rambling about your monitor refresh without the context of a sync technology is irrelevant and of course you will notice it.

My PC runs the games I mentioned just fine with my Fury thanks, I'm simply citing examples of games that can tank a decent PC adequately.

Why would you even assume that?

I know *exactly* how FreeSync and Gsync work.

I've got asus vg248qe. Literally, the first monitor that you could get the tech on. So just stop making weird assumptions.

Vertical sync is the tech that Gsync and FreeSync replace by replicating it's anti-screen tearing techniques at variable FPS.

The ONLY THING that Gsync and FreeSync do is dynamically stop screen *tearing*.

Here, watch Linus talk about my monitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fghQh0Y4oA4

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_tearing

No Sync - No input Lag, Screen Tearing.
Vertical Sync - Input Lag, No Screen Tearing
FreeSync/Gsync - No Input lag, No Screen Tearing.

I don't know what you *think* FreeSync is doing, but I want you to explain what you *think* it does because I think you may have the wrong impression of what it is doing.

So, go on, what do you think it is?

Not quite all it does. I assume he's referring to low framerate compensation.

http://www.amd.com/en-gb/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/freesync

https://www.amd.com/Documents/freesync-lfc.pdf

Whether your screen supports that depends on the freesync range. I can't find the range for your screen, though unless I'm missing something I can't see it listed as freesync either?

You keep repeating the same thing, without actually appreciating the architecture of what you're talking about.

You have your view, you're welcome to it. For those of us who use Freesync, well we understand the improvement it offers, particularly in low frame or variable frame situation - in a way that VSync could never hope to achieve.

Exactly, frame doubling and LFC improvements made since freesync was introduced hugely improved its usefulness.

The post by Gundamnitpete here explains it very clearly for those unaware with the help of a .gif.

https://m.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/4mow28/how_does_freesync_work_and_is_it_worth_it/

Nate is always a hater on AMD stuff so no surprises he's here...

This has nothing to do with AMD, the comments apply to GSYNC and FREESYNC.

You can pretend it's being a 'hater' but lying to people about 35 FPS being a playable rate for games with FreeSync.

Even your own post, it shows this GIF.

https://gfycat.com/LiveGrouchyJohndory

Yes, it's better than not having FreeSync or Gsync, and at no point was I countering that concept. What I was saying is FreeSync doesn't fix the stutter that 35 fps produces in games.

The stutter on the right is constant between frames, it is not a smooth turn, and at 35 FPS, you are effectively doubling that.

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates

This remains the perfect example of the dfiferences you can see while turning with different FPS. Try all the combinations and pixels per second. It clearly shows the issues with low FPS (regardless of which type of sync tech you use).

Out of stock and price increase to £248.31

Hehe, it doesn't bother me, I was just making people aware. :smiley: I think how it works is, so many people click expire and it eventually does expire. The original person who created it can set an expired date, like what you did. :smiley: