To be fair, most of us Brits are carrying some excess weight (if you're not, I may have yours.... you can have it back!!), and unless you're one of those irritatingly thin people (irritating in the sense that I'm not!!), it IS easy to lose weight. 99% of people "struggling" to lose weight are either eating too much, eating the wrong stuff or just not exercising. I haven't seen any evidence to disprove the fact that for the majority of people (if not all), taking in fewer calories than are used will result in weight loss.

The biggest problem is that too many of us (note I'm including myself here), look towards fad diets and "miracle" cures because we're too lazy to knuckle down and work it off. I was a porker and made all the excuses, then I committed to a healthier lifestyle and lost a shed load of weight, it was bloody hard work and painful at times, but it proves my point, you cant sit in front of the TV with a pizza and a beer and expect the weight to fall off :smiley:

Very competitve deals - I do have a question for the cyclists out there, both are listed as 8.2kg, but I would expect the Premium model to come in quite a bit lighter. What do you think?

good bike for the price. You will splitting hairs with regards to the weight. you can loose 1kg from you waistline....sorted

I know this is £1049 but this is tempting

http://www.dolan-bikes.com/road/road-bikes/dolan-l-etape-carbon-road-bike-shimano-ultegra-6800-aksium-one.html

and
​http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/ribble-gran-fondo-special-edition-shimano-ultegra-6800/

Nice price and spec, you would be hard pushed to find a better offer. Better Alu (and Carbon) frames out there, but will cost more.

Been looking a good road bike for a while, not sold on colour scheme online, but sure it would look nicer on the road! Thank you HEAT

To be fair, most of us Brits are carrying some excess weight (if you're not, I may have yours.... you can have it back!!), and unless you're one of those irritatingly thin people (irritating in the sense that I'm not!!), it IS easy to lose weight. 99% of people "struggling" to lose weight are either eating too much, eating the wrong stuff or just not exercising. I haven't seen any evidence to disprove the fact that for the majority of people (if not all), taking in fewer calories than are used will result in weight loss.

The biggest problem is that too many of us (note I'm including myself here), look towards fad diets and "miracle" cures because we're too lazy to knuckle down and work it off. I was a porker and made all the excuses, then I committed to a healthier lifestyle and lost a shed load of weight, it was bloody hard work and painful at times, but it proves my point, you cant sit in front of the TV with a pizza and a beer and expect the weight to fall off :smiley:

Obesity is a very complex subject, the simplicity is obvious eat less and exercise, but we know this doesn't work for everyone, there isn't a one size fits all simple guide based on the factors of calories and exercise. What does work? A scientific approach and explanation as found in The Obesity Code: unlocking the secrets of weight loss - Jason Fung M.D.

"you're" = "you are".
"your" = belonging to you.

You know me long enough to know that I know the correct definition and this was just a typo and/or oversight due to the lateness of the day. To err is human, that is not an excuse for ignorance of course, I'm not ignorant of the definitions you cite as I'm already aware of them, I made an error which as a human we all do.

Fair enough!

Your welcome...

Hmmmmm.... I don't know. We all work the same and this sort of reasoning doesn't help in my opinion. Every living thing is the same, over feed and under exercise a dog, cat, rabbit or iguana and it will get fat. The biggest problem in the world today is medical types coming up with excuses which people then cling to, to justify why they "can't" change.

There is a one size fits all, eat less, exercise more, it WILL work, you just have to want to lose the weight, giving excuses up front wont help anyone as it only serves to justify the situation.

Love the fact they put together a bike and finish it off with wired tyres... Slack as ****!

Like many "carbon" clinchers with alloy tracks, these are Alu rims with carbon laminate glued to the top, decent enough wheels but they're not carbon in structure.

Multiple factors at work, the idea in principle eat less exercise more doesn't work in the Western world, if you're disabled, if you take medication that affects your satiety and metabolism, your genetic makeup, how you actually go about losing the weight, not putting the body in to starvation mode, your mental health. All these factors complicate obesity.

I wish they'd fit a huge flipping crank (or cogs?) on the back. Its so hilly round here, not a flat in sight.

Obviously I wouldn't include the physically disabled in the comment, that's common sense, I wouldn't expect a paraplegic to go out for a run, but likewise, I wouldn't expect a paraplegic to be looking at buying this bike. I have a family member who is chair bound, they have to watch what they eat and make sure that they refrain from sedentary lifestyle, which is just the same as I have to.

Please don't think I'm having a go, I'm not, I just get a little frustrated when there are people out there with REAL problems yet many obese put themselves there, keep themselves there and moan that they have arthritis, blood pressure and god knows what else as a result of, lets face it, their gluttony. Let me put it this way, a friend of ours couldn't have a mobility car when they got debilitating cancer, yet the fat pig down the road who goes everywhere on a scooter while supping Special Brew and chowing down on a Greggs pasty can (and no, there's nothing wrong with her other than being about 20st over weight, apparently she needs the scooter as she gets breathless when walking.... which is nothing to do with the fact that she's voluntarily carrying the equivalent of 1.5men on her back of course!. That's ludicrous and very annoying so you may be able to see my point. It would be OK if it was a one off, but its not. I guess the point is that you cant choose to have cancer, but you can choose to over eat and not exercise.

Yes everyone has to take responsibility for their own actions, my point is that obesity is not easily solved in the Western world, for example the recent program The Doctor that Gave Up Drugs has the right idea but to employ his ideas is extremely difficult as evidenced in the program. Also whilst it's impossible to get individual attention from a Doctor to the level he's demonstrated in the program, what he's trying to say is look things can change but the individual needs educating. We all need educating when it comes to our own health. The NHS doesn't work in it's current format and that's not a simple fix either. Throwing money at the NHS is not the fix, finding and fixing the underlying causes to reduce the resource burden is the way to go.

Cant argue with that :wink:

Well said, people also forget it takes quite a while to put on weight. It took me over a year to put on around 8kg. Then with about 60 miles of fairly hard cycling, cutting out most snacks and other junk, it took probably 3 to 4 months to lose it again. But in essence 1kg is the difference between being fully hydrated and being not fully hydrated!

What's SRAM rival like? How do you change gear, you don't swing the brake lever inwards do you to go up ( like shimano)?

So the paddle, not the brake? That does sound betteras I sometimes struggle with my wrists after about 20miles and shimano 2300 shifters. Was tempted to go electronic but that's expensive and a bit overkill for me. Cheers

Yeah. You don't move the brake lever at all. I sometimes brake a little with Shimano STi's.

Okay, it's got an alloy frame, but at £550, the Planet X London Road with Sram Rival groupset and Avid BB7 disc brakes is also a very good deal. Link.

Sounds like that would take some getting used to :smiley:

Not really.

That is a good deal.