So much misinformation (and badly informed sweeping statements) on this thread...

Unless you know what you're talking about why not STFU.

Any engine producing these power figures in a hatch will be fine. Compare it to an old A4 / Golf 1.4 / 1.6 petrol. To all the 'dangerously slow comments', 7-10 years ago they were knocking out cars of the same weight and class with 3/4 the power and half the torque, plenty of focus / golf / A4's. These are not 'slow' cars for the class, certainly not dangerous...

To give you an idea this is faster to 60 and on the 1/4mile than the previous generation A3 1.6 or since someone brought BMW into it it's also quicker than the previous 116i and not far off the 118i. It will also return better MPG (and no you don't have to rev the nuts off it either).

Not fast by any stretch but it's not meant to be. It's fine.

The only thing that kills turbo cars is heat, provided they have decent heat management (which they will have) there will be no issue at all.

Turbo's are consumables, they're not expensive and are simple enough to replace (especially in something like this with plenty of room in the bay).

Its a Turbo engine with 115bhp so wouldn't be too bad on the motorway.

A lot of newer cars have small engines with turbos to help with MPG

other than telling everyone you have a car I'm not sure what relevance a bigger car with a bigger engine running a different fuel type is of ​to this deal.

certainly reinforces a number of things though.

I'm amused about the comments I see about these low capacity engines.

In my experience they are better that the old normally aspirated 1.6 and 1.8 engines they replace in almost every way - more torque, better power delivery, better economy

Just released this deal was actually superb!

The price has changed. For this deal

Contract Cars had a similar deal on but for 119 for 10k mileage per year.

I think VW Tiguan is the best value deal at the moment. Great seen as though it is a brand new model so it will have the latest tech etc compared a model which was launched a few years ago.

Diesel - https://www.vehiclesavers.com/car-leasing/volkswagen/tiguan-diesel-estate/2.0-tdi-bmt-150-se-nav-5dr.html
Petrol - https://www.contracthireandleasing.com/car-leasing-companies/main-dealers/leeds-volkswagen/volkswagen/tiguan/116456130/

They were doing even cheaper deals on the 2.0 Diesel but it was only with 5K miles.
Also if you just want a car for mainly city use then the Skoda Yeti 1.2 is probably the cheapest lease car available right now! around £160 a month with only 1 month up front

Actually this is the deal for the Diesel VW - https://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/74851/volkswagen/tiguan/20_tdi_bmt_150_se_nav_5dr.html
Very cheap per month cost - but the initial payment is 2580 down

Sounds like it, no point in throwing away £1,500 if you can hold off upgrading for 6 months.

The dealer said they might cover that but I'm sure they would just offset most of it from some other sort of discount so you'll be in a better position in 6 months.

Remember, its a MINIMUM guaranteed future value not a maximum so you may find the dealer will offer you more if you use it as trade in for a new car. Depends ultimately on how well the make and model in question has held it's value, you may want to do a bit of research before deciding what to do in 6 months to check if you think you should get more than the Minimum value - especially if the wear and tear is less than expected and also the mileage.

The dealer would be quick enough to charge for excess damage and mileage so make sure you are quick to use it to your advantage if applicable as well.

Thanks for the advice, appreciate it.
In fact, your third point is the reason then, as there is currently 6 months remaining on the PCP. So, if we wait 6 months it won't be necessary to pay the shortfall.

Sorry, but I think you understand it wrong. If you have signed up for a PCP then you have a MGFV at the end which you pay - it is the same thing as the 'balloon payment'.

If for some reason you are not getting the MGFV then its because:

1 - It's damaged
2 - you've exceeded the agreed mileage limits
3 - you are trying to change it before the end of the PCP period

You need to seek clarification as none of what you say makes sense.

​that's what I thought

As I understand it, the balloon payment and the gmfv are two different things and aren't necessarily the same. The final payment is what is left on the finance deal if we want to pay it. The gmfv is lower because it's basically the bottom line.
So if the value is lower than the ballon payment but higher than the minimum value then that's where the shortfall exists.

Anyway, my question still stands. Why go for a lease over other methods of financing?

Hello all,
A bit off the topic, does any of you good people has a suggestion in regards to buying a low-mid range SUV? I am looking to lease one and have been looking around for a while now. Something like Kia Sportage or ford kuga etc.
Much appreciate your help

That's a strange kind of PCP deal? Did you blow the mileage limits or damage it?

A PCP deal should have a guaranteed minimum value, and so you should be protected against negative equity, a handback should cost you nothing.

Serious question here.
My wife bought a Citroen C1 on PCP almost 3 years ago, and the deal is up in 6 months. It's currently in negative equity, so have about £1500 to pay on it if we give it up.
We've got a 2 month old now, so want to upgrade, so they've offered to swallow the negative equity if we upgrade. We're looking at second hand instead this time around, so considering to take a bank loan and buy outright (have amassed a reasonable deposit and the bank loan will be a hell of a lot lower APR).

My question is would a lease such as this be worthwhile. I realise you never own the car, assume if it meets quality and mileage criteria you don't pay anything at the end of the lease, but why would I go for a lease over buying a car outright.

I realise I'm not exactly comparing like for like in my current circumstance, but this seems really cheap, certainly cheaper than the 3 year loan and the deposit is a lot less than I'd need to put down.
I suppose what I want to know is why go for a lease like this over buying a car?

Thanks folks

My wife has a 1.0 ecoboost (turbo) Ford B-Max and it drives much bettter than my 1.6 Seat... no problem at all on the motorway, never feels stretched. People need to get with the times and understand that engines are much better than they used to be. Same with diesel engines now, the 1.6 engines are pretty much replacing 2.0 in a lot of cars.... nothing wrong with less CC!

It's an S3, you don't get aluminium mirrors on an S-Line.

See my post, it's not an S3. It's actually an S-Line.

Nice, show the S3 on the deal photo.

Just an update - the SIL has had her A3 1.0 TFSI now for just under a month - thinks it's fine, no issues with power or delivery of the power (comes from a 2.0L 3 series before the Audi). She got the Sport model which has a few extra toys. It makes good progress both around town and on the motorway.

Pretty sure it's not the S3 on here or Select Car's website, as it doesn't have the red S3 logo on the grille.


VS.


Just looks like a mid-to-high spec 3dr A3 to me, most likely an S-Line. (Please note S-Line, NOT S3!)

If you go on the Audi site and configure this car in this spec you get this:





While I'm not personally a fan of Audi, it's actually a lot of car for your money at around £200 a month all in. They're generally quiet and a nice place to sit, although sometimes the ride isn't that great. So yeah, decent value, decent enough car, even if Sportback sounds like an injury.

You're getting:

Alloys
Xenon headlights with LED daytime running lights
Light and rain sensor - Automatic lights/Wipers
Manual air conditioning
MMI Radio Plus with 7" colour MMI screen and MMI controller
Audi Smartphone Interface
Bluetooth phone connection
Cruise control

I'd like to see the people criticizing to find a car with similar spec for less money. I'm currently looking at swapping my car now and I've been quoted a lot more a month for a lot less car. It's very tempting.

lol diesel.

Seems to be mostly people criticising a car they know literally nothing about (beyond a few figured hastily found on Google), and have never driven. Got to love the internet sometimes.

Yep. This is a HUKD car deal. The comments will be 99% pub talk BS.
Anyone considering buying a car is well advised to completely ignore everything written about cars on HUKD.

1.0 turbo? So that is a future of motoring? We are all doomed.

What was with all the crazy talk of performance in here? This Audi probably duffs up most cars people drive. 113bhp 148lb/ft torque and about 1200kg with ~10s 0-62mph.

I don't know if everyone where those people live drive Lambos or something but all I ever see here is small engined Corsas, Fiestas and diesel Citroens lol. This is a rocket ship by comparison to your average fodder that don't get near cracking 10s or have nearly as much torque as this

This man right here.

All the keyboard warriors acting like they're Clarkson need to shut up and read this.

This. I read an article (might have been whatcar or autotrader or parkers- i cant remember, anyway) that said the real reason behind manufacturers downsizing engines and using turbos is down to euro 6 and because of the MPG testing.

Small engines are very economical during the artificial MPG tests because the turbo never cuts in, resulting in very high 'artificial' MPG. Real world MPG is vastly different because you will be relying on the turbo far more for the majority of the performance. You will find in reality, a 1.0 turbo that gives 125bhp will have the same real world economy of a 1.8 125bhp engine. Only problem is, you now have an extra component that will fail (a turbo), but the car will long be out of warranty and barely worth repairing. The result? The car will have less lifespan, resulting in another new car being sold at the dealership. Win-Win for the manufacturer!

If i can find the article again ill link to it.

Broken turbo best dealt with by replacing the engine?!?

Service departments at dealerships must love you.

Why would anyone taking this deal worry about values falling through the floor? Two year deal on fixed payments then hand it back.

Yeah I've got a 63 plate Fiesta 1.0 and it's perfectly fine for driving on the motorway. Granted it's not winning you any drag races but it's nippy enough.

any cheaper deals on Audi? please let me know

The same price as my recently ordered Fiesta ST from G2L. I wonder which will be more fun to drive? :smile:

CORRECT !!

Audi never made a 1.9 diesel A5.

I work as a power train engineer... The industry is moving away from extreme downsizing and moving to right sizing. The extreme downsizing suited the euro drive cycle and gave good mpg but real life driving figures are poor. The engine has to be worked hard to get any power. Engines of the future wont be extreme downsized, instead they will have a different cam and firing duration with mild 48v hybrid, vgt turbo 1.6 petrol gasoline with egr would be typical for a Mondeo.

​I have S350cdi. The latest generation of the German cars are just so much better. I bet this gets to 30 quicker than mine with its pause before launch, turbo lag annoyance.

​Will you marry me? I'd love 143 quid spent on me every weekend!

If you're leasing it why would you even care?

​I'd like to see the data upon which you base this claim.

​temper temper! I'll stick to my 320d

no thanks. crap engine. probably OK for a shopping car??

This man knows what he's talking about.

So much misinformation (and badly informed sweeping statements) on this thread...

Unless you know what you're talking about why not STFU.

Any engine producing these power figures in a hatch will be fine. Compare it to an old A4 / Golf 1.4 / 1.6 petrol. To all the 'dangerously slow comments', 7-10 years ago they were knocking out cars of the same weight and class with 3/4 the power and half the torque, plenty of focus / golf / A4's. These are not 'slow' cars for the class, certainly not dangerous...

To give you an idea this is faster to 60 and on the 1/4mile than the previous generation A3 1.6 or since someone brought BMW into it it's also quicker than the previous 116i and not far off the 118i. It will also return better MPG (and no you don't have to rev the nuts off it either).

Not fast by any stretch but it's not meant to be. It's fine.

The only thing that kills turbo cars is heat, provided they have decent heat management (which they will have) there will be no issue at all.

Turbo's are consumables, they're not expensive and are simple enough to replace (especially in something like this with plenty of room in the bay).

​not necessarily revvy causing it, but producing so much power from such a small engine decreases life, take the smart roadster 700cc whack a turbo on, lucky if u get 100k

Where are you getting the idea that they're "revvy"? Civic Type R's are "revvy". Source for decreased engine life as well?

​no ta, when doing 500 mile journeys I need something more comfortable and less revvy. I'm sue they are a boy/girl racers dream and a perfectly adequate run around, still gonna have turbo lag, decreased engine life and let's face it the plonkers who buy Audi's will end up with half the mpg as they poorly imitate Colin McRae on the way to Tesco

Go and test drive a Fiesta Ecoboost, preferably a 125 or 140, might change your "still a 1.0" mindset.

This makes for a depressing read, not in any world is a 1.8TFSI going to get better fuel economy because you won't be ringing it's neck out every five minutes. A friend with exactly that (A3 1.8TFSI) struggles to get above 36mpg average. Such mpg.

Did the mechanic that said this to you have a mask and stripey t shirt on at the time ?

the picture is of a S3 and not a A3 on the website.

ive a 2014 a3 1.6tdi sportback. nice looking car with enough in it to be reasonably quick and reasonably fast. after a bit its bland to drive unless you do work the gear box. i got mine via nhs car leasing scheme on a 3 year deal and thus have had no ussue doing so. again dealt reasonably with being treated a little harshly at times. lacks build quality of earlier audis though...loosens easily which is a pity

This makes for a depressing read, not in any world is a 1.0, 1.2 or anything around 1.4tonnes with 115bhp a nippy car, or fine zipping along. They are fine as city cars, that's about it. Get yourself a 1.8tfsi and you'll thank yourself with better fuel economy because you won't be ringing it's neck out every five minutes.

I'll repeat myself again but I've actually been in an A3 with this engine and it's fine did not need down shifts galore to make progress.

it was better than I expected, it's a fine engine.

ive only ever driven one car i had to genuinely 'thrash' on the motorway. hire company gave me a daewoo matiz, a 0.8l engine , to drive from edinburgh to oxford to aberdeen to edinburgh.

had a focus 1.0 estate as a rental on holiday in spain. heavy car loaded with luggage and a family had no problem on the motorway, nippy enough in traffic, never felt 'dangerously slow' despite reacting to some of the nutters driving on the spanish motorways. People in rural hilly parts of the country (west wales, scottish highlands) might find the engine lacking.

agree with the comments about the second hand market. these engines barely have 7 years in them before requiring serious work. typically a broken turbo is best dealt with by replacing the engine, likely to be an uneconomical repair. same as diesels are nowadays...almost bought a 7 yo c4 until i realised the car was 500 miles away from needing a brand new dpf system as a 'wear and tear' item. In 7-10 years there will be very few naturally aspirated engines available to buyers looking for a second hand car under 10 years.

​who cares about engine life on a lease deal.

​you should

Didn't realise turbo's and engine's were considered consumable items nowadays.

Do you still need to let these newer engine's warm up and down like old turbo engines?

Kerb weight is 90kg difference, I think the rapid is longer but lighter, slightly narrower?

​ok expert, even with 6 gears it's still a 1 litre, and although it will get up to motorway speed fine it won't be anywhere near as comfortable as a higher capacity engine or diesel.

Plus throwing a load of power into a small engine is just tuning which boy racers have been doing g for years and what does that do........shorten the life of the engine.

Apologies in advance for looking even more 'foolish' :smile:

The 1.2 tsi has less power and torque than this 1.0.

I agree, having driven the old 1.2, it's a bit naff. But if this is the same as the new bluemo golf, it's suprizingly peppy!

I've got a A3 5dr 1.2 tfsi and wouldn't recommend that, nevermind a 1.0. Very slow at pulling away. OK on the motorway once it gets going but gotta thrash it to get up to a decent speed in the first place. and that's with just me in it.
It's like a 3 legged donkey when fully loaded. My 107 had more umph

It's OK, it'll spend its time in the slipstream 3 inches from someone's back bumper like all Audis!

That has to be one of the truest points about HUKD!

They put a 1.9 tdi engine in the A5? :confused:

It wasn't "useful amount of torque" it was useful bit of the rev range"...quite different statements. :smirk:

other than telling everyone you have a car I'm not sure what relevance a bigger car with a bigger engine running a different fuel type is of ​to this deal.

certainly reinforces a number of things though.

Got a 3 cylinder 125ps Ford ECO boost, very quickly know around town and handles motorways even at a steady 80 with ease

Why do they call 5 doors "sportback"? surely 3 doors are sportback, and 5 doors are familyback or sensibleback?

Here on HUKD, anything under 200bhp is dangerously underpowered.

I'm loving this "200nm as useful amount of torque" my 535d has 630Nm, that's "useful" torque and still returns similar real world mpg to this.

I'd doubt it as I have a 700 mile range tank.

Who cares what the residuals are, that's one of the benefits of a lease deal :wink: I'm not sure comparing these engines to wankels is really relevant either, that was much more of a revolutionary step...

Less engine and more cup holder issue chat might help some folks out here :disappointed:

That's becoming a little outdated but certainly still true when it comes to reliability.

Eh? The A3 is a class above size compared to the Rapid which is a .5 model above usual sizes like most Skoda models.

The Turbo is the least of your worries about this new generation of low cc/high bhp engines. The tech isn't proven in real world use and generally the more you extract out of something the more you're stressing it.

Expect values to fall through the floor in these small block engines like what Mazda found happening to rotary engined cars.....

Yes bit this car will arrive 20 minutes earlier on a 400 mile drive.

s3 is much better value at 215.99 for 5k miles or 221 for 8k

It's like Autotrader on here! It's a decent car for less a month than you'd spend taking the wife out for dinner at the weekend....

This is heavier than a Rapid.

Does it have any cool lights and stuff? That's all I care about.

does this have the button you can press to make pop and bang noises? I'd like to accelerate up and down our local high street like a Rally hero :smiley: not to mention wake people on the housing estate in the early hours

ok, so went along to the Audi dealer today with a family member who actually ordered one of these under PCH and collected it today.

On the 30 mile trip back from the dealer to the house along a mixture of Motorway, A and B roads it was absolutely fine power wise.

It has lots of torque and managed to continue to accelerate when going up hill even in 6th. I was very impressed with the performance of the engine.

Looks like this new model with the 1.0 engine hasn't made it into a lot of car insurance databases yet either - even for a quote without a registration number.

So £198 per month for the 2 years

Audi claim it will do 120mph + so it will be more than capable of tailgating in the wrong hands ! It doesn't seem to get bad reviews , but yes I'd probably rather have a 1.4 tfsi. Then again there are lots of things I'd rather have..
http://www.topgear.com/car-news/review-new-10-litre-audi-a3

Makes no difference what engine you have when its rush hour on the M25

Hot from me.

The 1.2 TSI in the Rapid is absolutely fine (0-60 ~9.9s and feels nippy where it counts), so the 1.0 TFSI could be fine in a slightly smaller car.

1.0 litre 3 cylinder, .....I am a fan of small engines with turbos, but I think this is too small for the car,
It would be better in a city car like a vw up, this needs a 1.4. 4 cyl

On the upside, there should not be too many of these right up your r-se in the fast lane!

I best rush off and trade in my 3.0litre for one of these then since there will be no difference :smile:

"Sportback" marketing balls spun by Audi's agency. This is a standard hatchback folks :smile:

bet the engines fun at motorway speeds :neutral_face:

Me too

6 speed gearbox so thrashing the engine on the motorway isn't likely to be an issue

The focus is more powerful.

8000 a year or throughout?

It's a shame cars have become a disposable commodity, no doubt the turbo has to work pretty hard to get 115hp out of a 1 litre engine and it will go probably go pop after 100k.

yes, but the rpm will be higher it may have a turbo but it's still a 1.0

plus its also a lot down to the driver how you shift :man:
It is obvious enough that car sales these days are down to savings -" small engine, no tax, less insurance, more economy etc" Considering congestion on motorways, cities, and cameras you will do max 70mph anyway so why to put big engine? Want bigger buy premium class this is now how they do stuff... So want bigger engine prepare to spend more :smirk: As somebody mentioned here on these small engines gearing is carefully selected so you do feel plenty power in it. But once fully loaded you notice that everything slows down a lot too:|

There're two focus models with the 1.0 ecoboost, one with 101bhp and one with 125bhp (and 200Nm torque). I suspect the latter would be a similar drive to this audi and it may well be the former that ycsb referred to earlier...

Yeah but your A5 weight about 1600kg when his Fiesta around 1100kg and that make a massive difference :wink:

I agree, only worth looking at the Audi S3 which is still really cheap. Select Car Leasing have the Audi S3 deal

What more do you need (admittedly, I've just ordered the larger model with Adaptive lighting, memory seats & wifi, but they're nice to have toys, not stuff you actually need)

Not powerful enough with a 1.0, despite the BHP there's only 2 cyclinders in this family hatchback.

does anyone know what the arrangement fee might be?

Nice. Still the basic model though

Thanks. Basic model but good price.

I'm amused about the comments I see about these low capacity engines.

In my experience they are better that the old normally aspirated 1.6 and 1.8 engines they replace in almost every way - more torque, better power delivery, better economy

Havent you heard?

There's no replacement for displacement...

More power, more torque, faster to 62, better in every way.

200 Nm torque between 2000/3500 RPM - that's the useful bit of the rev range.
9.7 secs to 62 - pretty reasonable as well.

It's a fairly decent drive.

Are you sure?? Figures? Just because it's an Audi, don't assume it's better at anything - more likely to be worse if anything.

Fair enough. Would still question the real world mpg though.

The 1.0 in the focus is no way similar to the Audi. The audi has a lot more torque.

You might be disappointed when the SE spec car doesn't look much like the S3 in the picture.

That picture and that website picture is an S3, the one you would get for the SE looks quite different.