£150 and I'd be tempted, otherwise I think the 1060 is better value.

1070 is more than double the price of this and certainly not double the performance. We are all getting milked by these cards

So I have a GTX 660 but the way I read this is that the improvement isn't absolutely massive..

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-970-vs-GeForce-GTX-660

..however I'm sure I'm reading that wrong, not least because I really don't understand NVIDIA's card numbering at all. Any help welcome.

Given heat but will be upgrading to a GTX 1070 from my r9 290 black screen edition.

I prefer to use anandtech for comparing this stuff instead of GPUboss.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1778?vs=1743 In those games you can see that the 970 is at least twice as fast. I'm sure this applies to many other games also.

I was running a comparison of my GTX680 vs the GTX970 - GPU boss recommends the 680... :neutral_face:

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-970-vs-GeForce-GTX-680

I have this card, pretty much plays all current games in 1080p / 60hz at ultra.

Still don't think id buy it now as would go for 1060/1070, but still a good budget price now.

£150 and I'd be tempted, otherwise I think the 1060 is better value.

GPU Boss is hopeless.

Thanks for this. Even in my limited experience I thought those results I had before were fishy!

Getting a second today, anyone have experience of these in SLI? not sure what sort of performance to expect. I basically want to max everything at 1080p, my single one always involved tweaking, turning hairworks of in the witcher for example. Hoping 2 will solve that!

Depends what you're using it for.

If you want it running VR or DX12 stuff, it's worth the extra cash. Or it certainly will be a little down the line. (At which point, it will probably also be cheaper I suppose!)

Game has terrible CPU optimisation at present. My 980ti wont go above 80% usage. If they can sort that wont have any trouble with 1080/60 ultra on a 970.

I have the 970 - it's pretty good overall, the main issue being, as is the case with the PC gaming scene, especially AAA - the software side is a pain in the ass still, and at times, one spends the first half hour or hour even, tweaking, to get decent performance in a game. It is down to the developer of course and some of the software houses are better at optimisation than others... you know this anyway. All I am saying is, don't expect miracles with the card. I paid £270 for mine, over a year ago, I think upon reflection, I probably should have waited a while and shaved £50 off at least, so this isn't a bad deal all things considered, but you might be better off waiting and see if the newer cards drop in price after Christmas... they are bound to I guess...

I'm at the stage now where I am thinking of not quitting PC gaming all together, but slamming the brakes on, it is way too expensive to keep up with. I kind of wish the technology side (hardware especially) would go into stasis for a decade, so we get the most out of what we have, rather than having to sell off parts, recycle them, or landfill them.

Bit off topic I suppose - this has been playing on my mind for a few months.

Back to Nintendo then :innocent:

I did think about that but weren't sure if i'd get much for the 970. Id imagine I would be looking around £260 for the 2? Do 980ti's go for that?

yeh that might be it or it could be a sign of things to come, the game runs well enough on the 1060 and 480

Have a look on ebay, with a bit of luck you should be able to snag one for just under £300. I'd pay the slight premium if i was you and go for a single card solution. Unless a game have great scaling like overwatch the 980ti is going to give the same or better performance.

EDIT: Sorry didnt realise you'd already bought the second, dont worry too much then, performance will be good in most games. Stuff like tomb raider, overwatch and battlefield you will be looking at better than 980ti performance. I personally play a lot of indie games which dont have SLI.

I have a 970, using a 1440p monitor, most games run amazing! Overwatch 60fps most of the time in high-very high, just struggled a bit on fallout 4 at this resolution.

Yer you're right it is quite peculiar. Especially the 480 smashing the 390. Fingers crossed they sort it, the game is fantastic save for these issues.

I know but the only thing I can do is wait for the prices to drop as I save. Probably going to look into getting a water cooled one to be honest. I would love 2x GTX 970s in SLI but SLI is still pretty dodgy and after the r9 290 I'm looking for a more stable platform.

Ha thanks for the advice :smiley: I'll see how it goes with the two.. I can always sell and swap over to a single card if needed!

That's a terrible comparison. The gtx 970 is twice as fast: http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-970-vs-Nvidia-GTX-660/2577vs2162

these people should be banned for causing a lot of confusion, they do not even do testing but only technical comparisons. The 970 is at least a good 25% better than the 680, I got some 670 in the draws which are aboutt 7-10% less, at the very most, than the 680

Thanks for the comment Bob. So in your opinion, for the cost, is it worth upgrading from a 680 to a 970? My CPU is a slightly old but still fairly meaty i7 3930k.

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Gpu boss is the worst way of comparing anything, avoid it like the plague. The 970 is significantly faster than the 660, just google benchmarks of the games you play or plan to play and look for yourself.

Am I ... it was a pipe dream that we go into stasis.

We are developing hardware at such a rate that it is near impossible to keep up and fully utilise what we have before our set-up is deemed obsolete ... where is this going? No idea. The only denial at present, is the belief that this wanton materialism has a bright future.

Anyway, regarding the "no issue" gaming on PC at 60 fps / 1080 - fine. Obviously this depends on specific software builds & other hardware factors.

Perhaps I was being a little "gloomy" up there - I do tend to obsess with software & fiddle :smiley:

It is a good card when all is well, but if I were looking to buy now, I'd wait and see what happens early next year.

Agreed - I'm not sure I'd necessarily buy a 970 right now either. It's a good option in terms of performance for pound, but I'd definitely wait for a 1070 price drop, or something competitive from AMD if I was in the market.

Just surprised you seemed disappointed with it. Circa a couple of hundred quid, and it could probably last you for another couple of years on top of the two you've already had. No need to buy something new every generation. I regard mine as one of my best graphics card purchases. It was a monster, it still kicks fps, it's suitable for VR, and it overclocks nicely too - although I run mine cold due to having a tiny room (London problems) that doesn't need any help getting uncomfortably hot.

Not planning on moving mine on until the '1170' or AMD equivalent is out and has hit that magic £250 ish mark.

Not disappointed, just reflecting really and throwing up a cautionary "wait" a couple of months and see.

For many people buying a new card is quite an investment and something that has to last a few years (hopefully).

It is an odd time of year to be purchasing hardware when the Xmas lunacy is about it hit.

Just my opinion of course. Each to their own.

I don't think I've ever been so blunt in a comment before, but... what absolute rubbish! New generations of 3D accelerators used to herald double the performance of their predecessors, and the cycle was much shorter, too - if you'd been gaming since 1995, you'd know that not only did we have to contend with a range of dozens of 3D cards supporting esoteric mixes of features and with custom APIs for each chip, but we also had the pressure of the short CPU and RAM upgrade cycles. Nowadays a decent CPU will last 6+ years, we have more and more time between each GPU generation, and they don't feature nearly as many groundbreaking new features or speeds. The VRAM throttle has never been looser, and never allowed so much time between required "doublings". The 970 has been out since 2014 - it's over two years old, and still not seriously outclassed or outdated. People with a 970 probably won't need to upgrade to a 1070, they can hold out for the 1170 or whatever (although I suppose now is the time to up those clocks a little!).

We're living in a golden age of kickass hardware and cheap games, and from a gaming platform perspective, the PC has never been further ahead of its peers.

£270 is a lot for a 970, though! :confused: You could sell the games with them back in 2014 and end up with a card for ~£200. Its low price was a driving factor for the 970, so as you didn't get that benefit, I can see why you may feel underwhelmed.

I agree, it does sound like your PC has issues somewhere else. Have you tried researching your problem?

Yeah, that update was for you. I'll give you another heads up when I throw the r9 out so you can rifle through my bins again :wink:

Pipe dreams refers to dreams experienced after smoking opium, pretty spooky origin for the saying :confused:

the 3930k is better than any 4 cores in the market, just upgrade the bios if you have not done so, to get PCI3 2x16lanes at pci3 I also got one for testing and can see the difference it made with BF1 with my 2xgtx970. Then you need to get the unofficial nvidia file to make it work. I would go for a 1060 3gb if I were you. More or less same price

guys should I go with this or pay extra 20 quid for a 3gb 1060? according to anandtech I'd get about ~10 extra fps

​yeah, I was meaning to ask why you've not been recycling your empty Stella cans.

Yeah that's not my bin, I wondered why the neighbours reported a prowler last night :smiley:

I got this originally from eBay currys store at £179 - when it dropped to £174 I complained as it was still in transit and they refunded difference, I had also previously asked the questions as to was this the overclocked version and they said yes, but it is not. I am not getting a further 10% parital refund @£17.40. so £156.60 - I genuinely wanted the OC version but its too late now and seems worth it at that price.

Yes it's strix but not the OC version (OC is not on the box )

​i had a zotac gtx 660ti extreme edition but now i have a g1 970 and i would say its abt double or abt 1.75 realistic perfomance