You are mad. This is a thin ultraportable ~ 1.3kg.




The T450 is a brick in comparison at ~ 1.8kg+. You can hardly compare the two.

The irony of complaining about tax-dodgers on a site owned and run by a company registered in the Seychelles to avoid tax is clearly lost on you.

Mary Berry has quit Bake Off and all you lot can do it whittle on about the spec of a laptop. There are real problems out there!

This is possibly the worst value Apple product. I get that it's a very high end machine, so doesn't come cheap but it's not had a processor upgrade in 3 years. It uses a 4th Gen i7... the 7th Gen is due out by Christmas.

Have it for almost a week to replace my 2011 MBA (1.7GHz,13", 4GB), even though this 2014 version is 1.4GHz but the video card has so much more memory which it runs much quieter without the fan on all the time when watching video. I love it, and it is a great price too!

Discount doesn't apply for goods that are clearance. Price match and Special order stuff (ie new stuff they bring in for sales) is fine to discount.

Yes that's why I said an XPS is more comparable to a Macbook Pro Retina

It is double the price... but with double the RAM, double the SSD size, a 6th gen processor instead of a 5th gen, an i7 instead of an i5 and 1920x1080 resolution instead of 1440x900.

I think the OP is a good deal and voted hot, but the XPS13 is in another league in terms of price an spec.

Livid, John Lewis May or May not have lost my order during Transit for Click & Collect to my local store... They have to Investigate as It'll be the 3rd Day tomorrow as It was Expected to be Picked up by Friday at 2pm. No one contacted me about it so I'm not happy with the poor service. Rang up demanded to speak to a manager after being told "We'll look into it" So basically the Deliver Driver has either stolen it or John Lewis Staff have decided to take It for themselves on to of their discount. I said I wasn't happy with a Refund & I want a MacBook Air or equivalent MacBook as they can't replace it as It's Out Of Stock obviously. Hmmm.

I should effing well think so too!
Is that sposed to be some sort of endorsement?:neutral_face:

They do pay some tax. They will contribute to the UK economy significantly more than you or anyone in your family combined over their lifetime do.

If anyone wants to sell the one they bought, message me. I was hoping to buy this for uni but didn't manage to get one.

an XPS 13 is more comparable to a Macbook Pro Retina to be honest...base XPS13 is almost double the price of this Macbook air..

Had one and sold it ...great laptop but there a some very annoying issues

constantly running out of space on hd
poor screen resolution
most windows programs ain't on Mac

Never knowingly undersold, eh?

That looks pretty good, I'm going to watch that tonight

love the cooling solutions in these :smirk:

Struggling to think of a netbook than has a core i5 in it :smile:

Yeah you are right- definitely worth a try. Thanks!

You could still try your luck to contact Apple directly.
They might be able to help you.
At least worth a try.

Just a heads up regarding the warranty. I have had one of these for over a year and like it but rarely use it. My power adapter recently stopped working so contacted John Lewis (I have 3 yr warranty) to be told that they don't cover the power adaptor in the warranty. I was quite surprised by this as the power cord was supplied with the MacBook in the same box. Apparently not as it's classed as a consumable. :disappointed:

Managed to nab one of those three that came back in stock - always worth checking back :smiley:

​Not to run MacOS, it will be fine. My first Windows PC had 4mb of ram (yes, mb), it still worked...

Some people really buy into the numbers don't they.

Damn - none left

4gb RAM, very poor

Not expired. 3 left in-stock

I didn't. That was another poster.

I've used a MacBook Air 13 and a recent XPS 13 and the XPS has a more premium build quality with much better components as well especially the screen.
I liked the Air, a good basic design but old specs, but the O/S is not for me.
They are both good but different and neither are inexpensive.

there is something called product design. and that's where Apple beats every single competitor.
If you have ever thought about the Dell copycat XPS, or the ASUS ones, you would be amazed how ugly they are, if put next to a macbook.

BMW Mercedes and Volkswagen are overpriced piece of rubbish. Citroen will take you from A to B as good as BMW. So why people buying crappy overpriced cars?
Because they like them. They like design looks and prestige. It's the same with everything. Why people buying Panadol instead of non branded paracetamol?
I have Mac and never had to uninstall the system. Nothing is slowing down after few years of use. It's most stable desktop computer I ever had.
And I do drive Citroen. Newish tho. :smiley:

I'm basing my comment on German cars from conversations with friend who ownes a garage and he says that those brands brings him most money he makes.

They also both share an "UP TO" 10 hour battery life

This is possibly the worst value Apple product. I get that it's a very high end machine, so doesn't come cheap but it's not had a processor upgrade in 3 years. It uses a 4th Gen i7... the 7th Gen is due out by Christmas.

The Macs CPU is 2 generations older than that Zenbooks CPU

They are actually very simular and infact the i3 will perform better graphically

i wouldn't say a 10hr battery life and low weight are purely aesthetics considerations...for anyone that carries a notebook around a lot I'd say they are prime purchasing considerations...

I see all 10 gone and deal expired. 10 lucky buyers got a great bargain. Can use that Macbook Air for a year and sell on for an upgrade and will probably get the purchase price back.

I don't see value in buying a machine that is hardly upgradable. Not everyone needs a machine for aesthetic purposes.

What 13" Windows laptop with aluminium chassis, 10hr battery life weighing just over 1Kg do you suggest as a comparison?
Asus Zenbook maybe? https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-Zenbook-UX310UA-FC075T-13-3-Inch-Notebook/dp/B01HIWOTGS/
Ah...no sorry it's the same price but with a lower spec CPU....

Because that is typically the main difference. Many of the components are not exclusive to Apple.

you seem hung up with the MACOS vs Windows thing....it's just an OS..I have machines running many different OS's..To many people when buying a Mac it's the underlying hardware that counts...not just the numbers either...for me it's a combination of materials, build quality, battery life, weight and reliability...and no-one else is yet selling a Windows laptop that competes..(the latest HP spectre's are close but then the cost is comparitive to a Macbook)

Disagree. I don't see a 4th gen 1.4Ghz i5 with 4GB un-upgradable RAM and a 128GB SSD costing £549 for a Windows equivalent.

But you suggested that you could buy a Mac but run boot-camped Windows and never need to use MacOS. Why would you do that?

you pay the premium for the hardware build quality...A windows laptop built with the same materials will cost you the same.

What is premium about Mac OS?

In my case, it's because there were multiple reasons for buying the Mac, not just one.

1. At the time of buying mine, there was nothing with the build quality out there on the market. I will caveat that with the fact I've not checked the marketplace since.
2. The Mac OS was (for me) far superior to Windows for my needs.
3. Design plays an important factor for me (personally I care about how something looks), and it was the best looking laptop by a country mile when I got mine. Same caveat applies per item 1.

There were a number of things which drew me to the Mac. All small in their own little way, but making up an altogether great package.

MAC OS is only available on purchased Mac's, a premium product that carries a premium price....Windows comes pre-installed on £100 Netbooks....
with the volume of PC's shipped day in day out with windows pre-installed MAC OS is never going to compete in those numbers...

if you like it buy it , if you don't like then don't buy
simples, i wouldn't come to your house and start slagging off your car, or your house or god forbid your misses.
come on get a grip

Then why overpay to buy a Mac then?

One problem i have with the mac os, is the tiny minimize and maximize and close buttons and they are on the left of the windows, seems really odd, plus they seem to auto hide

I'm talking about desktop OSs not PCs. Mac OS has been out long enough to do something about that percentage, no?

Yes...it's because it comes preinstalled on almost every PC...
Don't get me wrong I like Windows (I support thousands of windows servers as a day job)
But not everyone wants to use Windows...yes there is Linux but if you want a polished Desktop OS then MAcOS is a good OS to use....
btw...I'm no windows hater either.....I have 9 machines in my home running Windows OS's of some description, 7 Physical, 2 Virtual. I have 3 machines running MacOS, 2 Physical, 1 Virtual

Both OS'es have their pro's and cons but my personal choice for the best combination of quality hardware and software together is my Macbook Pro...I looked at all the windows based ultrabook options when i bought it (Dell XPS/Lenovo X1/HP Spectre and when specced to the same level they were all within a few ££'s of the Macbook yet none offered quite the complete package the Macbook did.
£549 for an entry level Macbook with 3yrs warranty is an amazing price..I'd vote hot twice If I could

So edgy.

:stuck_out_tongue:

I'll take that as a compliment...

I have over £6,000 worth of (proper) Apple kit, I'm just not as flash as you with your £200-600 iPhone. I am not anti-Apple at all, I just haven't fallen for the iPhone scam.

You think paying £1.6k for a "lower end" machine is good value?

I fail to see the positive correlation there...

Pretty sure I had to buy it.

But since you're king of the trolls here I'll take your word for it sire.

He suggested a T450. I suggested an X-series...

I rest my case.

Have you used Office for Mac, especially the Excel version. It's not even the same or as powerful.

Many businesses choose Windows cos it's cheaper and more complete.

I'm 99% sure it's not only me that thinks people with an iPhone didn't choose it carefully...

Galaxy's may be more numerous globally, I honestly don't know (and I don't use one of those either) but almost everyone I encounter has an iPhone, and I haven't seen anyone standing in an overnight queue, in the rain, to buy a Galaxy.

Nobody has told him that people can buy what they like. I can just see him protesting outside of Apple shops on Saturday's....

Windows. Is. Free.

Second reason is not really valid. You can easily run bootcamp windows and never touch the mac osx if you wanted to.

Sounds like more an issue with you than the person who owns the iPhone.

I mean you could say the same about someone who owns a Samsung Galaxy series phone, right? Aren't they more popular?

Give some solid objection, before LYFAO, pls!

OMG, that is hideous. And plastic. And won't run macOS. And will be worth £1.50 in a years time.

This is important a wether is a castrated goat :-)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wether

Very stealthy Rog!

Sold an older model than this but with a 256GB SSD for a friend recently for £500 so this seemed cheap.
I liked the hardware but can't be doing with the O/S.

You are mad. This is a thin ultraportable ~ 1.3kg.




The T450 is a brick in comparison at ~ 1.8kg+. You can hardly compare the two.

Two primary reasons:

1. People don't like change.
2. Many enterprise-based applications are built upon the Windows OS.

The same doesn't apply for home users, who typically just use their laptops to access the internet (let's be honest).

Even if you want many of the common applications, they are cross platform now - Microsoft Office, Photoshop, etc.

Mac aftercare is pretty amazing. My 2010 imac blew its GFX card recently and they fixed it for free!

**sigh**

I can't help thinking 'sheep' every time I see an iPhone (sorry, I know it's a bit overused), and moreso the odd time I see an Apple Watch. Also, I am really into proper Swiss watches (primarily Omega) and wearing two just wouldn't work :smiley:

Out of stock.

Something I never really care about, I just buy what I like to use. Probably why I've got three Windows 10 machines (gaming desktop, a HTPC and a cheapo ASUS X205ta), a MacBook, an iPhone, and an Apple Watch.

If someone has a go at you or judges you for what piece of tech you're using then that person probably isn't worth knowing.

There would be some small advantages to switching to iPhone, you're right, but I couldn't live with the drawbacks, or the image

And why is that?

So I am both an Apple troll AND an Apple investor. Genius!

What do you mean?

To be fair, if you've got a Mac you're probably better off buying an iPhone. The ecosystem works nicely together.

They don't bother because Windows is free.

​Have you got a vested interest in Apple, or are you part of their advertising campaign?

out of stock

That looks a great video, right up my street, thanks for the link, will be watching that a little later.

I think Macs are a choice, but honestly think iPhone buyers are definitely crowd following.

Phew! Got one! My Partners Windows 10 is no where near as quick as My MacBook in terms of Just general web surfing and Skype etc so will Sell hers today and bought her this! :smiley:

OOS as of now too!

Yeah and that reason is "shady business practices" haha. There's a lot of gamers who'd make the switch if devs would pull their finger out with games on Linux, it's happening slowly and Steam on Linux helps a lot.

End of the day a Unix terminal is way more powerful than anything Microsoft have ever pumped out. You get that out the box with a Mac, one of the reasons they're popular in the dev community.

Because it's deployed across most businesses?

Tempted to upgrade from my 'original' Late-2010 11-inch model, as I just can't get HD videos playing properly, and I can't edit my 1080p GoPro footage either.

Does anyone know if this will be up to the task? (It's a question more about the graphics, I imagine)

There's a reason why Windows still has over 52% usage share of desktop OS.

Nice to see people who dislike apple so much they continuously troll an Apple thread.

If you don't like it, just downvote and **** off.

I've never got on with iTunes, and don't use it at all, so perhaps that is a valid point you make. To be fair, I think whenever a bit of equipment goes bang, there is always 'pain' involved.

Yeah, I know that not everything has a Mac version, but I have found nothing that's been an issue to me. My girlfriend's son is a trader based out in Gibraltar, not sure what systems he uses (but he appears to earn an absolute fortune!) but he works on an iMac.

Is it an ips screen
And shiny or matt

Do they? Are you sure about that? That might be your opinion, but is it that of others?

Watch this. Just explains the stupidity of some people...

Sure. But like most things I'm saying it's not 100% clear cut that Macs are incompatible with everything. Windows has it's fair share of problems too, I would probably never use it if more game developers would put out Linux version of their games at launch and nVidia/AMD would pull their fingers out with decent Linux drivers.

LMFAO!

I don't want either a Linux or a Mac though...

This would be a good deal for students on a 3 year uni course, sell it once finished. 3 year warranty with JL is always good.

It's not one of these then is it, because this is only 4gb and 128gb, and that makes all the difference.

Not with 3 year warranty, SSD and a good resale value

People think it's all about needing a Alienware type machine. Some also assume everyone is some sort of designer or video editor. Why can't people understand that some people just want a quality, well built machine or maybe, just maybe....they like it! I have a Lenovo and a MacBook Air and they're both nice but my air gets the most use as I like it (SHOCK HORROR). Just let people buy what they want. We're not animals that are predestined to follow one path, people have a Choice.

lower end iMac 27
lower end Retina display macbook pro 13.3, £999;

lower end Retina display macbook pro 15 £1599.

To be fair there's a lot of software I've used in Linux/Unix that isn't fully/properly compatible with Windows that works fine on Macs.

Owning a Mac and knowing what you're doing is a bit like owning a more polished Linux machine really.

Worthless dribble? I haven't lied.

Take iTunes. One meticulously imports their whole discography, adds all the correct album covers and names each song correctly. Then you happen to have your Mac break down (yes it does happen Apple fanbois) or have your iPod stolen and you wish to export the meticulously done work to a new iPod. You read the Apple instructions carefully and yet it still screws up, renames the songs to either "song 1" or "song 2", all because of an umpteenth update that was probably never needed.

Not only that, some software is just not compatible on Macs. Don't see financial traders using them...

I've never understood how Apple has turned into one of those brands that if you hate it you have to tell everyone you hate it. Over and over and over and over again.

Get out.

I see you are still filling this thread up with worthless dribble but have yet to supply a link to a similarly spec'd, well constructed ultrabook with 3 years warranty for under £550.

Mary Berry has quit Bake Off and all you lot can do it whittle on about the spec of a laptop. There are real problems out there!

Genuinely interested in what you mean by the 'force down a path' comment. I do accept that iOS is terribly locked down (which is why I don't have an iPhone, and never will), but I feel nothing is restrictive on Macs.

The irony of complaining about tax-dodgers on a site owned and run by a company registered in the Seychelles to avoid tax is clearly lost on you.

Thank you for your opinion. I have used Macs and I don't like them. I do "get them" but they are incompatible with a lot of what I do and they attempt to force you down a path I don't wish to go down through.

However, as much as I admire Apple for ripping people off, they are the modern-day pioneers of planned obsolescence. Instead of needing new goods because our old ones were broken, Apple have managed to get (some) people to want them for reasons of fashion and aspiration - awaking a consumer appetite that could never be satisfied.

Thanks for all the mac haters and their trolling attempts. Move along. Nothing to see here

Great price if you want a MBA...Will still be worth this in 12mths time. rarley you see an entry level Macbook at this price

Personally i think the MBA is heading for removal from the product line. The new 12" Macbook is a smaller lighter product and the Retina Macbook pro isn't much bigger in size now than the Macbook air and offers a lot more performance.

I see thread is filling up with Mac hating comments already by those who've never used one and just simply 'Don't get Mac's'

I work in enterprise IT and get a high end windows Ultrabook for free from my employer..a global computer manufacturer....
But my own laptop that I spent my own cash on was a Macbook Pro Retina.....and I'd buy it again tomorrow.

It's not upgradable FYI.

I have one of these, but 8gb and 256gb.

It's a fantastic laptop, very well constructed and never crashed.

Lots of anti-apple idiots here (bananas?), but this is a good price and a good deal if you can live with 4gb (I couldn't).

I'm not a big fan of the air either.

I can get two laptops for this price no thanks

The ram isn't upgradeable really, unless you're a computer scientist with the World's most accurate soldering iron. Obviously I'm being a bit tongue in cheek there, but they are pretty much stuck with the original ram.

I disagree with the 128gb thing too, my MacBook's are 512gb and 256gb, but it wouldn't be a big problem if they were just 128 really. macOS (formerly OS X ) only takes up around 15gb, not around 40gb as you claim.

Don't think so. It's soldered onto the board.

i bet your fun at party's

Any good Cashback , Groupon deals with John Lewis at the moment?

Find me a "good value" Apple product.

If someone is going to comment on a electronic device, at least have the decency to run a spellcheck...

He sells used cars for a living :sunglasses:[/quote]
New cars actually, very successfully, and yeah, I do okay :wink:

You might survive with just 4GB RAM, but it's upgradeable.
128GB SSD is also a limitation as you only really get 90GB or so for apps and photos and music and document and maybe 1 movie at best. You can expand it with a tiny USB drive but it will be much slower and not too elegant.
Honestly at this price it's not a budget offering anyway so get a better model or something really cheap instead like a refurb Lenovo business laptop for £199

He sells used cars for a living :sunglasses:

spelling police....please be on guard

They already do.

wow you must be rich with a great job :smiley:

It's whether.

Why not, one of my Macs is a £1,049 netbook :smiley:

http://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-mac/macbook

I absolutely love it, I have a MacBook Pro Retina too though, for more serious stuff.

I agree with your first half of the sentence on your original comment.
It's overpriced, especially considering the lame screen resolution.
However, you did say "like all Apple product", which is the sentence I was questioning.

Still overpriced, like all Apple products.

Do remember why Apple are sitting on cash pile of $216bn and struggling to think what to do with it...

A £550 netbook? Jeez...

As an Apple user for the past 26 years, I still wouldn't buy one of these. Far too slow and you could get a much faster PC laptop for the price.

Looks nice though! And if you got the cash to waste and prefer looks over substance - go for it!

Heat Added!

This is a discontinued model that came out in early 2014. So yes it is definitely overpriced for an i5 1.4Ghz with 4GB RAM and 128GB SSD. The T450 will have better specs.

Sorry, my bad, you are correct about the ram.

Processor and graphics though, meh.

4GB is plenty for this, they are used as a 'netbook' really, and it certainly isn't worth paying hundreds more for another 4GB.

resolution is 1440 by 900.
just be warned.

Id normally agree but not in this case. Please could you provide a link to a similarly specc'ed, well constructed ultrabook with 3 year warranty?

Apart from double RAM, upgraded processor, upgraded GFX...

Spec is from 2013-2014 .
2010 = you are an idiot

Are these the 2014 model?

4th generation dual-core Intel Core i5

Fantastic deal, I'm not a big fan of the Air, but this has to be the best price ever for a brand new, well warrantied MacBook. Massive heat OP, good find.

Its last gen, not quite 2010