It is not illegal to purchase and use an axe. You could however murder somebody with it, which would be illegal.
It is not illegal to purchase and use this app. You could however reveal the recording to a third party, which would be illegal.
See? No? Never mind.

lol ye , usefull , I think that we should play the companies at their own game and start our calls with an automated voice message, stating that these called may be recorded for quality purposes.

I've heard that kreskin has just bought an axe, can't confirm if it was from lidl so be aware!

​I think hotukdeals should have another site for juniors and immatures

Oh yeah IF they agree then no worries. If you record without permission that's one thing if you use it personally but you can't submit it to court and expect it to wash. You can potentially however expect to be buying new windows.

If they say it's O.K.at the end, then should be valid for most cases as a transcript.

I really don't think so. That's like asking "do you mind if I eat this pie?" while dusting the crumbs of it off your face...

Sky customer services offered me a 'deal' for 6 months and said that it would cancel automatically without the need to call in... 7 months down the line I was still being charged but customer services are denying their agent would have said that. I said fine I have the recording of the conversation... Do you have mine? Refunded within a few days with a 'loyalty' credit of £10

​glad to hear you managed to install it, I was using the free version , and was sent an alert that it was on sale for one day only, that's what I posted, however if its been popular the developer may have decided to extend it due to the increased sale.

** Today Only ** seems to be lasting longer than 24 hours... but just installed it on a Moto X Play and it works fine - can clearly hear the voice on the other end on the recording.

Looks like same old problem of only hearing urself

I can only hear my side of the conversation during playback.
Can anyone tell me what the problem might be please?

Is it valid in court if you record the call but only inform the other person at the end of the conversation that you recorded the conversation?

Does not work well with Android nougat, incoming caller barely audible.

My phones not rooted (Vodafone Smart Ultra 6) and it works great, both sides of the conversation can be heard equally as good as each other.

Sorry, but you were advised wrong.

Making the calls available to the insurance company (being a 3rd party), certainly puts you on shaky ground.

You can make the call available to a court as evidence though. The court then decides if it is admissible or not.
A court is not a 3rd party in law. This is a fundamental to our law system in the UK.
In your case it is likely that they knew they couldn't ask you for them, didn't want to massive headache this brings to the insurance company, and decided to play the "It's inadmissible" card. I'd guess it was your insurance company, or their legal representative that told you this. Be under no illusion - they work for the insurance company, not you.

There are many examples in case law for this. For example, Sir Ian Blair recording phone calls: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4801072.stm


Also, from a law firm: http://www.acitylawfirm.com/recorded-conversations/


So to summarise: You should have obtained it legally (not intercepted), you must have declared it to the other party and told them you are going to use it as evidence, and you're stuck with it as evidence (might contain something that incriminates you!).

So sure, the judge can decide it's inadmissible - that's the role of the judge in a case, but you need to be doing something really suspect for it to be classed as inadmissible. If you've told the truth, it matches the recording, and the other person is aware of this, then the grounds for rejection are almost nonexistent. Your case certainly doesn't sound like you were trying to "cheat" as it was just a simple recording between the two of you.

Also keep in mind that you can produce a transcript of the conversation - this can help bolster the claim before it even gets to that stage.

I only know all this because I went through it myself 4 years ago. The call recording was allowed, as I'd disclosed it to the other person well in advance of filing with the court. As far as the judge was concerned, there was no issue whatsoever with it as evidence.

yes, I've done the same. Me ... You are prevaricating. John Lewis manager.... I remind you Sir that we are recording this call ... Me... Oh, good, so am I !

Then there's a sound of surprise and followed by a more polite attitude..




yes, I've done the same. Me ... You are prevaricating. John Lewis manager.... I remind you Sir that we are recording this call ... Me... Oh, good, so am I !

Then there's a sound of surprise and followed by a more polite attitude..

I dont get my Galaxy phone till tomorrow but i do have a google play account, is there anyway i can buy this without having a device ready? it wont seem to let me

Yes.
If I listen really hard I can hear the other party if I set it to MIC recording, but it's still rubish.

Didn't work on my nexus 5. I tried troubleshooting with various settings but no luck.

Not ideal in a developer though it has to be said...
https://bitbucket.org/copluk/

If the other party knew they were being recorded.

I had phone recordings (made without telling him) of a guy who smashed into my car admitting responsibility and offering to pay for it. When he found out how much it would cost he changed his mind and story, pulling a mysterious witness out of thin air who said I hit him.

I wanted to go to court but was told I would loose as the audio I had of him was inadmissable because he didn't know about it

Android Call Recorder....?

Still need to know if ROOT is required for this please? Most of these type of apps are frequently so.

Thanks op,
I've just tried this app out and i'm only getting a recording of my own part of the conversation. Anyone else finding this?

Thank you google rewards :smiley:

And this could come in useful... esp when dealing with sky etc!

Some things need no elaborating. :stuck_out_tongue:

ACR?

Couldn't have said it better myself.
All this legal scaremongering in the thread. I'm not wasting my breath telling everyone that calls me that I'm recording the call. If you call me then you're getting recorded. Don't like it? Don't (cold) call me.

Anybody calling me automatically agrees to be recorded whether they like it or not as I have used a call recorder app for couple a years now, its my phone and my time, thats the agreement!
Any companies don't like it they can argue about it later, meanwhile I have all the evidence I need, and possesion is 9/10's of the law..:stuck_out_tongue:

​Explain more I'm now curious :smile:

Link?

there is a free one onplay store works brill and can be turned on part way through a call so cold

Does this work for unrooted Nexus 6p?

This is incorrect.

You can present any evidence you want to the court. The court decides if this is admissible or not. Courts are never considered a '3rd party' when it comes to law. If this was the case, you'd be able to write out the ability to take someone to court in a contract, which of course, you can't.

The reasons for not using such evidence are laid out quite clearly in this document: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/488508/Evidence_v3.0EXT_clean.pdf

If you ring someone in the middle of a murder, they tell you what they are doing, and you have all this recorded.....Do you really think the court is going to reject it because you didn't ask the murder nicely if you could record it?

sorry for abit of a high jack but is their a optio or app that give the caller a pre warning about the call be recorded

I use free app no problem with it for nearly 4 years

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appstar.callrecorder

:man:

​People thrive on knicker twisting these days :neutral_face:

::sigh::
I was just trying to give a heads up about the issues faced when recording calls which were later intended for other usage.
why so much knicker twisting from people?

just trying to clear this up about the legal side, if you get told the call is recorded by the other party, it is fine to also record the call yourself without telling them, as they already know the call is recorded - great for call centers etc

You're quoting wiki, what are you 16? I looked into this a while ago on gov.uk pages can't be arsed now. Basically record what you want you can't share with a 3rd party unless it's court. You can share a manuscript of the recording. You can tell 3rd parties you have this recording. You must protect that recording according to data protection laws.

£4.58 on iOS, which is a shame. I have set up an alert for a price drop on this, as I can see it being a very useful app. Heat given anyway.

To quote from the wikipedia page: "A recording made by one party to a phone call or e-mail without notifying the other is not prohibited provided that the recording is for their own use" Using the term "just sayin" rarely makes you correct.

I noticed someone in the reviews said this app didn't work on a non rooted phone - can anyone confirm?

Depends what sort of court. Criminal court would be on dangerous ground but I've used call recordings in a tribunal before. As long as it's presented as evidence with an accompanied manuscript and the court accept it as evidence, it can be used.

The free version of this app has saved my back-side a few times. I would pay for this app just for that and contribute to the developer (Thank you by the way, if he/she is reading this). Would have done it at £2.99 too, but at 99p, its a steal. Have some heat OP. Thank you.

Bought it btw. Thanks op

Afaik only if you have informed the other party that you are recording them at the start of the recording

Looks good, thanks.

Are you recording this call?Fine, so I'm sure you have no objection to me recording it too!

Access to media so it can store your call. Pretty useless app if it can't save them....

Should mention in title its google play for clarity!

This is a good app, had been using the paid version for about 6 months and you can get to record every call providing an evidence for calls with insurance companies etc.

Incidentally I've found that, having informed companies I'm recording I get slightly better treatment as they are mindful their actions are being monitored.

I'm hesitant about using apps which can monitor or have access to conversations live or via recordings - even where those permissions are reasonable for the purpose of the app they can be abused. A simple and effective solution is to use a cheap handheld voice recorder which timestamps recordings then have your conversation over speakerphone. Tons of these recorders out there for around £10, and you can also use them for additional purposes like capturing classic farts that your partner will appreciate later if you have one (I am currently single).

I record all calls to businesses like utility companies. I warn them at the outset (usually after I've heard their similar warning) and to date, not one company has had a problem with this. Companies tend to record timestamp and log calls (I've had to get companies check their recordings when there's been a dispute) so it would be pretty fishy if they refused.

Government agencies are more likely to object. I may record those calls for personal use ie for transcription and that's legal. At least you then have an accurate record of what was said, and should you need to you can often demand recordings be checked - knowledge is power.

I used to have a keyring with a few second sample time that I record a message 'all calls recorded for monitoring' etc but that rubs people up the wrong way vs just mentioning politely.

Just been having a gander at some other similar apps.....For example:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.killermobile.totalrecall

How do you find out what the in app purchases are for this app or any other app, as it only states: In-app Products £0.79 - £7.97 per item

That's what "discovery" is, each side shares the evidence they are going to present in court- if you show up with evidence you haven't shared, the judge will refuse to allow it

Ordered. Worth it

​I think hotukdeals should have another site for juniors and immatures

I've heard that kreskin has just bought an axe, can't confirm if it was from lidl so be aware!

Oops i was looking at the ACR licence :confused: Cheers

States it was last updated: 1 December 2014 So has this just been forgotten about by the developer?

Just wondering are there more up to date apps with more up to date features? :man:

thanks. great app and more than happy to support the developer. cheers op for sharing :smiley:

This link tells me that businesses and government can records calls for possible evidence later, but citizens can not.

actually the other person was quite correct in what they were saying. you chose to apparently 'misunderstand' what was being said.

hot, great spp

tested this out and it works really well, crystal clear recordings and the auto upload to the cloud is really handy

thanks op, been waiting for this to be reduced

Those permissions - access to audio - ok - record calls - ok - access to media - why?

Warnings - I confirm it is legal - fair enough - I know that having more than one recorder can cause issues - fair enough - but - ad identifiers when you are buying it.....hmmm

You can find out some of the reasons for app permissions here: https://bitbucket.org/copluk/acr/issues/60/permissions-needed-by-acr and i admit sometimes i do question why some apps need this or that permission because its puzzling why a game needs access to my contacts or calls logs etc. But even if an app developer said its because of , y, z, reason im betting you would still question it.

@Jetskizz im guessing so that it can play the recording afterwards and/or to edit the file name etc. But not 100% sure thats just a guess by me.

I went to install this app 2 days ago but was horrified at the permissions it wanted. I'd think carefully before installing this.

Is it just for android phones that it is reduced?Seems to be £7.99 on apple store for pro version.

Thanks for this and heat added, need a good call recording app not just to catch out them pesky customer service agents who deny everything they said, but it will also be useful for voicemail messages when the caller leaves a telephone number far too fast.

Also good for when i forget what they said after i put the phone down haha

Edit:
Just thought i would ask the cloud settings are they uploaded automatically or does it have to be done maually? Can not see anything specifying this.
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Seems its automatically - https://bitbucket.org/copluk/acr/issues/776/auto-upload-to-the-cloud

You started it mate

when I told Voda manager I'm recording this call she hungup on me so I decided to keep it its a very good app might just buy to support dev but I'm due to change my phone would it need to be activated again on new phone??

​anything about government agencies recording their own citizens' voice calls, emails etc..?

If you say so. You seem to have a bit of a problem so I'll stick you on ignore.

Its pretty bloody obvious that misuse of one is illegal. Not so the other.
So nothing like it, No.

It is not illegal to purchase and use an axe. You could however murder somebody with it, which would be illegal.
It is not illegal to purchase and use this app. You could however reveal the recording to a third party, which would be illegal.
See? No? Never mind.

Are you mad?
It's nothing of the sort.

Exactly, it's like when somebody posts a deal for an axe they've seen in Lidl.
Also, you can use such recordings as an aid to memory to produce accurate transcripts which can be used in evidence. It may also be possible to use the recordings directly:
http://www.lindsays.co.uk/news-and-features/news/item/can-covert-recordings-be-used-as-evidence/

Typical... I bought this yesterday for £2.99!!!

You cud just tell them before you reveal it to the court; probably jus wishfully thinking.

Nothing to do with the app.
I'm just saying that if you expect to be able to record calls to potentially 'catch someone out' an use as evidence, and then decide to share (without having notified the other party), you could find yourself in a whole heap of mess.
Again, nothing to do with the app, just the capability it provides you with.

So it's legal to record a conversation with somebody without telling them providing you do not then make that recording available to a third party. That's what this app does so it's fine.

Are you allowed to present recorded calls in court though ?

I've been using this for years and just purchased to support the developer. Some of the premium features also sound useful to me.

Thanks for sharing - heat added.

lol ye , usefull , I think that we should play the companies at their own game and start our calls with an automated voice message, stating that these called may be recorded for quality purposes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#United_Kingdom

Just sayin'