Its only £220 ! do you expect it to do the dishes and take the dog for a walk ? :laughing:

Cool story

It's true, anyone who doesn't use a 1080p screen finds Word, Excel, the internet, anything at all unusable.

Plus the lecturers can tell if your screen isn't full HD, it's an automatic fail. If you don't believe me, there is not a single person who has a degree before they had 1080p screens on laptops :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously though, most laptops are 768 resolution and have been for years.

1080p is a nice bonus, not an essential deciding factor, it ranks way down the list of priorities for laptop needs such as processor, RAM, storage space, battery life, reliability, graphics.

Most people won't even check or know about the above let alone the extra resolution. It's a bit like curved or 3D TVs screen, nice to have but not really that important.

I know students will be starting university very soon so here's my input;

I bought a laptop that was pretty much identical in specs (and price to this). I stuck in a ssd which was only 120gb, but I'd recommend 240gb if you can. It did everything, and did everything well. I did graphic design at university, and it would out perform the university's brand new macs. In fact, the reason I bought the laptop was so that I could work in the studio at university because the macs were SO slow and you ran the risk of someone shutting down the mac if you left it unattended, and so lose your work. I know I could have sat at home and done all my university work on my desktop but it was so beneficial going into uni to get work done (I found I got a lot more done compared to staying at home!).

The laptop ran Photoshop, Illustrator, inDesign, all without an issue. It even ran 3ds Max well, and I rendered stuff in times which weren't to be sniffed at for a £220 laptop! People might try and persuade you to spend all your student loan on the latest Mac. Heck, they do look nice and you might be persuading yourself to go for it and treat yourself. But it doesn't mean you will do any better on your course if you spend £1500 more on a laptop. A lot of people I know were immediately in their overdrafts to pay for their macs, and some have left uni with huge overdrafts to pay off. I've left uni with 0 debt (minus student debt...) because a) I'm a tight ****, and b) by second year I was an unsociable nerd because I was too engrossed in my uni work. It meant I had £6k in savings when I left uni thanks to various jobs, and I needed it to cover the costs of traveling to job interviews, moving house to my new job, furnishing the house, car repairs etc. Try to get by at uni with what you can afford; then you can reward yourself once you land yourself with a job after uni :smile:

Just an update, laptop is having problems, the sound volume goes a little higher and lower every so often. The mouse touchpad goes haywire a few times a day.


Just now something weird happened, I touched the mouse pad and the whole thing shut down, almost like a power problem.

Deal

Yes, this is sitting in the box still, is brand new as already stated. Just typical that my old laptop starts working when this one comes in!

100th comment :smile:

Got one of these for the in laws. Paid the 229 price, arrived as new in a brand new Lenovo original box, brand spanking new laptop with all the tape, wrappings etc


Noticed price was 300, the next day!

Been setting it up for them, nice and responsive.


Total bargain !

It was the bs emanating from your general direction. I mean you claim to own a an A10 8700p laptop with a dual graphics card that is integrated or something, and you claim I talk nonsense. FFS you even quote the DX but clearly didn't know what it meant. For future reference it means Dual graphics. So you have a laptop with a graphics card that you didn't know you had.

Of course you will threaten to ignore, you can't stand being told that you don't know what you are talking about. That probably explains why you don't know what you are talking about.

Why on earth did you reply with 'What's that smell?' are you mentally ill?

Reading the rest shows you are utterly clueless. Straight to my ignore list. It's beyond pathetic that you can't answer in a reasonably sane way to a technical point and I suspect others who have bought this laptop will surely show soon that its not dual graphics and was never expected to be and you were wrong.

What's that smell?

Look you're waffling, just leave it. The reason your R6 runs better than the R7 you quoted is that your R6 is carrizo running at the top end of it's 35 watt limit and you are comparing against an R7 Kaverri which isn't (an R7 in an FX 7600p is a different beast from an R7 in an Fx 7500).

The R6 carrizo can vary from 12 to 35 watts, in an A10 it runs at 35 watts. The R7 Kaveri OTOH runs at 19 or 35 watts and in the FX 7500 it is capped at 19 watts.

So no the distinction between R6 and R7 isn't a load of rubbish. It can confuse people granted (you are an example of this) but with AMD it is important to know what integrated card you are getting, it's configuration as well as any possible added graphics cards.

M260 is not integrated. FYI the A10 8700p has an integrated R6 carrizo. You most likely have an M350 card in addition to this according to AMD (click notebook tab and find your R6 M345DX under a column headed "RADEON™ DUAL GRAPHICS BRAND". Hopefully that will tell you whether you have Dual graphics or not :smirk:

As a clue for anyone who stumbles across this convo if it has DX in the graphics description that is a clue that you have dual graphics.

No I'm saying that AMD use the same configuration as discrete cards to also promote the integrated gpu's. So if an APU's gpu matches the configuration of the discrete card even though the APU gpu may be run slower and only have access to the main shared system memory they use the same code M260 etc.

The whole R6, R7 thing is a load of rubbish. The chipset in my A10 8700p laptop is R6 graphics and the chipset in the FX-7500 is R7 but mine has the same configuration, is run faster and has more features, higher Graphic Core Next functionality for improved Mantle performance. You can't make any comparison with R6 and R7 etc.

Anyway as previously stated a few benchmark results will surely sort this out as actual performance will reveal if there is secret sauce in the laptop. I might add though that this is not the first time I've seen this issue in a thread about AMD laptops. The way they promote the laptops is very confusing. I had an HP laptop (just sold it) and again it had information that made you think that there may have been dual graphics but there wasn't. On the HP site they mentioned dual graphics as a possible option but on the marketplace no one seemed to be selling that sku version. I assume dual graphics is normally picked up by utils like Speccy, CPU-Z etc as well.

Also I think when a PC or laptop has dual graphics they state 'Dual graphics' and often 'Radeon R***** + Radeon R*****' etc so you know there are two functioning gpu's.

My A10 8700p has a R6 M345DX gpu integrated as part of the APU but you search for R6 M345DX and you will find vendors claiming it has 2GB of dedicated memory but in fact it can use up to 2GB of system memory. Mine is permanently configured as only 512MB on my laptop.

Also if you click on the main link for this offer you see 4 laptops in a row the third one is based on the same chipset as mine. Do you think that is dual graphics?

Ahhh so you don't understand the difference between an R7 M260 (which is a discrete card) and an onboard R7 (otherwise known as Kaveri). That explains your previous comments. The M260 is a discrete card. When added to an AMD APU system (with onboard R7) it works in crossfire with the Kaveri.

So no the APU doesn't have M260 as standard, it has either R6 Kaveri, R7 Kaveri, R6 Carrizo, R7 Carrizo etc as standard. If the system comes with an M260 then it is as an added card.

As I say, happy for someone who bought one to confirm otherwise but unless the add says that it specifically had an M260 inside I would just assume it is onboard graphics, which in this instance is R7 Kaveri.

No... it clearly states on the Lenovo Z50 tech specs that the FX processor is paired with the M260 graphics. This is an APU, by definition the graphics are 'integrated'. It's one of the major selling points of an APU. Your link to some obscure reseller's 3 line description isn't really helpful.

dont think even mobiles do 1080p at that price

​No. I expect 1080p screen in 2016 for this price.

Would have been perfect for the kids at this price. Gutted I missed out

The APU has Radeon R7 M260 graphics as standard its just not run at such a high speed as an intel laptop with a Radeon M260 gpu. It's unlikely to have dual graphics but surely an easy test would be to check the bios for a dual graphics option or benchmark to see if there is improved performance using something like the unity heaven benchmark. I don't think the FX-7500 has dual graphics though. See what frame rate you get with standard settings at 1366x768 native resolution. Make sure your laptop is setup for performance and has a mains connection at the time.

No mention of dual graphics on Lenovo's site either.

http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/lenovo/z-series/z50/#tab-tech_specs

Yes it is an APU with integrated graphics. And it doesn't necessarily have an additional graphics card, such as the M260. Some models may have, and if the amazon page says so then I'd be happy to accept the claim. But Amazon stocks Z50's with M260 described under graphics (see this one) and it also stocks Z50's with "R7" described as the graphics (as the op is). In which case my money is on this being onboard R7 alone as opposed to having an additional M260. But hey, you tell people it's definite.

I guess using your reasoning this add is also wrong because it has R6 graphics which it describes as integrated. They just neglect to add that it also comes with an R6-M255DX have they? Because using your logic all Z50's with R6 graphics have the R6-M255DX right?

I do not understand whatever you wrote here and your reason for that. And I have not missed a full stop.

It's definitely the R7 M260 according to the Lenovo website http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/lenovo/z-series/z50/#tab-tech_specs

have you missed a full stop? if you meant to say 'No. 15" laptop ...' then this is simply not true. I managed to get a samsung np700z5b YEARS ago with i7 and 15.6" screen - VERY cheap and VERY capable .. weighs arnd 2.1-2.2 kgs

I upgraded it to SSD (was no need - I think it was just as fast with whatever HDD was in there), 12gb RAM (I run virtual machines) - and works wonderfully for my needs. Always itching to upgrade to a newer laptop, but hard to beat this for the 300 quid I got it for on ebay.

If your buying an AMD laptop the main reason to do so is gaming and that's if you basically are moving it from one mains socket to another and can't afford a decent intel laptop with discrete graphics.

I recently bought a A10 8700p laptop from Argos on ebay for £189.99. A pretty similar spec except one step down in model range but one generation later so similar performance overall I think. Some places mine is better and others the FX-7500 is better. The issue that prevents mine comfortably outperforming the FX-7500 is it seems to be limited to single channel memory although using various utils it seems that memory speed seems to vary by load so not sure.

However mine has R6 graphics and this one has R7 but mine appears to have the same configuration as this one and is run much faster 720mhz on mine but up to 800mhz on some other A10 8700p laptops depending on TDP. Mine is configured for 15 watts but the chip runs from 12 - 35W I think. This Lenovo is based on a 19W TDP.

Mine can actually outperform i7 laptops with integrated graphics if the game is bottlenecked by the gpu rather than the cpu but generally performs at the same level I guess as a i3 laptop with discrete graphics (NVidia or radeon). It does have a lot of multimedia extensions though like 4k hardware decoding etc not found on the intel chips. Intel integrated gpu's seem quite flaky. They are basic chips that run very fast and some parts of the gpu are emulated in software which gives them less consistent frame rates and can make game compatibility poor plus onscreen issues where as an AMD would more likely have flaky frame rates due to thermal overload throttling, weaker cpu performance or memory bandwidth issues but still have full compatibility. Just my experience.

For the students still seeking a laptop, i5 5200u, 1080p IPS, £274.

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/online-dell-lattitude-3550-i5-5200u-8gb-win8home-1tb-hdd-274-dell-2495256?p=28667341

There is more reason to believe that it is an AMD Radeon R7 (Kaveri) onboard graphics seeing as that is what the FX-7500 contains and the description doesn't specify any particular model of R7.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-R7-Kaveri.117371.0.html

Up to £299 !

I know students will be starting university very soon so here's my input;

I bought a laptop that was pretty much identical in specs (and price to this). I stuck in a ssd which was only 120gb, but I'd recommend 240gb if you can. It did everything, and did everything well. I did graphic design at university, and it would out perform the university's brand new macs. In fact, the reason I bought the laptop was so that I could work in the studio at university because the macs were SO slow and you ran the risk of someone shutting down the mac if you left it unattended, and so lose your work. I know I could have sat at home and done all my university work on my desktop but it was so beneficial going into uni to get work done (I found I got a lot more done compared to staying at home!).

The laptop ran Photoshop, Illustrator, inDesign, all without an issue. It even ran 3ds Max well, and I rendered stuff in times which weren't to be sniffed at for a £220 laptop! People might try and persuade you to spend all your student loan on the latest Mac. Heck, they do look nice and you might be persuading yourself to go for it and treat yourself. But it doesn't mean you will do any better on your course if you spend £1500 more on a laptop. A lot of people I know were immediately in their overdrafts to pay for their macs, and some have left uni with huge overdrafts to pay off. I've left uni with 0 debt (minus student debt...) because a) I'm a tight ****, and b) by second year I was an unsociable nerd because I was too engrossed in my uni work. It meant I had £6k in savings when I left uni thanks to various jobs, and I needed it to cover the costs of traveling to job interviews, moving house to my new job, furnishing the house, car repairs etc. Try to get by at uni with what you can afford; then you can reward yourself once you land yourself with a job after uni :smile:

Not another "Cool Story" Troll.

Where is HUKD finding these internet bullies...

Item weight: 3.1KG, unless it means shipping weight. Average battery time is really bad for students as well considering it's 4 hours on paper it pretty much means 2 hours of real use which means that this is going to stay on cable 24/7, which means that battery will most likely die after 1 year. But then again you get what you pay for.

People who are looking for an 1080p laptop around this price should look towards the Toshiba Chromebook 2, yes it's a Chromebook but with the added features of being able to run android apps now it shouldn't be a problem for most people.

Was thinking about this for uni, but 3.1 KG :confused:

Hahahah

It's true, anyone who doesn't use a 1080p screen finds Word, Excel, the internet, anything at all unusable.

Plus the lecturers can tell if your screen isn't full HD, it's an automatic fail. If you don't believe me, there is not a single person who has a degree before they had 1080p screens on laptops :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously though, most laptops are 768 resolution and have been for years.

1080p is a nice bonus, not an essential deciding factor, it ranks way down the list of priorities for laptop needs such as processor, RAM, storage space, battery life, reliability, graphics.

Most people won't even check or know about the above let alone the extra resolution. It's a bit like curved or 3D TVs screen, nice to have but not really that important.

120 more but FHD, better CPU and 3 years warranty? http://www.johnlewis.com/acer-aspire-e5-552g-laptop-amd-fx-8gb-ram-1tb-15-6-full-hd-grey/p2297350

has it gt a dvd drive built in??

battery life?

is the R7 much better than a GT 525M for gaming?

It looks good but what I am looking for, and what I bet many people are looking for, is a cheapish laptop with a FULL HD 1080p screen. I've looked but to no avail aside from some second hand models on eBay. For the love of god why can't the industry move on from 720p resolution ultra budget screens?!?!

Bought 2 for the kids, thanks OP. Just what I was after. With an SSD stuck in it this will be a very capable laptop.

can anyone tell me if this is a worthy replacement for my asus n53sv which is a i5 ?

I've had a Lenovo laptop for nearly 4 years and its been very reliable

You need a 1080p minimum for uni i'd say. This is a 768p. Spend more for a 1080p screen cos you'll be looking at it everyday for 3 years.

Thanks OP, perfect timing as I was looking for a decent laptop to use in lectures for uni starting in a couple of weeks!

my 5 y/o i5 dell is quicker than this lump

Just bought this Laptop.

Great timing and exactly what I was looking for in this price range after my old Laptop died.

Thanks again OP.

has it gt a

Is the GPU integrated ?

ah right, well thats whats leading to the confusion

I think you are right. Seems like i didnt read it properly.

But i am still happy with it...

Go to the link. At the top right hand of the screen you will see the extended warranty options. Simply tick the 2 or 3 yr one, then click Add to basket.

That's asking about the refurb ones sold by Tronyx, not the new ones sold by amazon.

too cheap to miss, made my order today, but alarmed by the people saying it is refurbished?

Tried Flubit but 6 hours on, still waiting for my deal!

Those tempted could combine with this deal to get a £5 Amazon voucher from purchase: http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/various-gift-card-spend-offers-inc-5-amazon-gift-card-50-amazon-spend-via-vouchercodes-2501417

​From how that reads to me, you get an additional year of cover not two. This product upgrades the first year to include accidental damage in the first year and then gives you one year after that of extended warranty and accidental cover.

Could somebody who knows more than me confirm if the 2 yr EU warranty on electrical items would apply to this or would it be just standard 1 year and try your luck with the sale of good act?

The reply about 3 months warranty was from someone called Tronyx, this is direct from Lenovo so I would assume it is not refurbished and has full warranty.

It shows up on the product page. If not use this link pls: [url]Amazon Protect 2 year Accidental Damage & Breakdown Cover for Laptops from £200 to £249.99 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01DO49NKG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_cAdXxb7JHHXAE[/url] i think it is based on the value of the laptop and this is the one i purchased with the laptop... I think it s really a must considering even a keyboard problem after 1 year might cost you this much

Lenovo was caught multiple times having preinstalled malware I wouldn't buy anything from them

Blimey!
Just bought 2 10" Lenovo tabs for our kids for Christmas. On a good deal in Argos. Get good reviews tho!
It's just above the yellow ADD TO BASKET box & bellow the Quantity ordered box, mate.

Blimey!
Just bought 2 10" Lenovo tabs for our kids for Christmas. On a good deal in Argos. Get good reviews tho!

not voting hot or cold as I do not know the deal
but I can tell you that I would advise everyone to stay away from Lenovo. I was a massive fan of IBM laptops had hoped that Lenovo kept the same level of quality.

unfortunately not, I have had the misfortunte of owning four of their devices (2 tablets, 1 mob phone (Motorola), and a laptop) over the last three years. Not one of them worked properly and they had to go back to seller and I was lucky enough to get refunds on three; and they 'fixed' the fourth (tablet). Ruined my holiday two times as I needed the devices while away from home.

Obvious question - why buy 4 if the first 2 didn't work! Circumstances ...

May I check you are saying you'd expect the games you listed to play on the laptop in this deal?

I'd never have thought I'd get to play skyrim on it and would make me interested to put up with the higher energy consumption over an Intel processor!

Sorry to be a pain but how do u add this on?

Thanks OP.

It s the amazon warranty packagae. Costs £65 but if their warranty is anything like their CS it s well worth it. But you have to buy the warranty pack with the computer

This days HD screen?? cold

hot thanks. wondering about getting a laptop for my son and good graphics would be great. alternative is to get a desktop and use steam streaming. hmmmm

How did you manage to get 3 years warranty

Thanks!!

How easy is it to remove Lenovo bloat ware?? I'm tempted but the reputation of Lenovo put me off.

Does this have an R7 260/260x? Surely at native resolution (768p) or output to a TV at 720p you could use this for some light gaming.

If you avoid GPU intensive effects like MSAA and use half-refresh rate v-sync for 30fps it will probably be acceptable (might even get 60fps on Rocket League with low/med settings). Of course if you specifically want to play games a PS4 or XBox would be much better for the price.

It's got bad reviews.

Good deal for around the £200 mark, especially since drop in value of GBP. Heat added.

I never said it was a refurb but Liston2 above mentions that no original box and only 3 month warranty. How did you manage 3 year warranty?

anyway specs are good for the price. but I had one of these cheap Lenovos and build quality was horrible.

sent it back as the fan died within a week of having it.

FIFA 16 on high, 720p
BF4 on low-medium 720p
GTA V on low, 800x600
Mafia II on low, 720p
Skyrim on low, 720p (60fps)

Just off the top of my head

looks a nice spec machine however amazon are showing 2 different laptops, 1 having a full sized keyboard and the other not.
it is sold and full filled by Amazon so I would assume it has a 12 month warranty.
:smiley:

Looks like a great deal but I can't work out whether this is brand new or a refurb. Why only a 3 month warranty and not in the original box?

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The built in graphics are going to be a small step up from the built in Intel so don't expect even half the performance if your desktop gpu

Good bang for the buck, useful for new uni students. Heat added.

Someone has asked the question if it come in its original box answer No and only has three months warranty.

Specs are good for the price. Replace the hard drive with a 250gb SSD (£60ish) and stick the spare in a caddy to store your media files.

This deal back once again. Bought this laptop a few times for in laws. Sound is great on it too, so no need for a sound bar like previous laptops.

Decent laptop spec and brand for £230. Heat

oh only 4 hours. half that and it is 2. i half as batteries always die. my netbook has about 8 to start with on atom processor. maybe atom netbooks and a refurbished desktop steam streaming is the way to go.

https://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-7500+APU&id=2375

cpu benchmark around 3300. vs 5500 for my i5. so around i3 performance. excellent for this price. anyone know how graphics would compare between this and say my desktop gtx750ti which plays everything great and my atom netbook or i3 dell xps 18 which both use some form of intel graphics hd.

Just looked at amazon page. while not sure it is for me just yet... this is a great deal for anyone looking. lots of memory. reasonable processor and graphics. well balanced. i have a dell xps 18 i3 and graphics let it down. this should be much better though i normally use cpu benchmark for processors and not sure whicj is best for comparing graphics

218.49 with NUS, looks good for a budget laptop, heat added

15.6" (1366 x 768 HD Resolution) according to manufacturer code.