I agree, either do it properly or not at all!

Not sure the average teenager would find insurance companies too friendly with a 140bhp car!

140 brake from a one litre 3 pot is really quite impressive. Gone are the days of the Suzuki Swift Gti or Daihatsu Charade Gtti!

Keyless start - don't touch it. My son's was stolen off the drive - search Fiesta ST or ST2 or ST3 on social media in your area. Thieves break the window, (not sure why alarm is not triggered, but it isn't), reach in and plug a gadget into the block, which disables the need for the key to be present, switches off the alarm and unlocks the door. Drive away never to be seen again. £14k payout for my son but Ford should be ashamed, it's a disgrace

You got car yet ??

did u try tc harrison?

Folks had another quote today from a local Evans Halshaw Ford dealer

2017 ST line 2 door in Deep Impact Blue Metallic. 15k mileage allowance. Cruise control.

£509.97 + 35 payments of £169.99. excess mileage 3.96ppm with no admin fee

really stuck on these which do you think is best value folks? Do I stick with the zetec s black or go with the st line ?

don't know I need cruise or not really.

I went to local dealer they tried to get me onto options.

did get a PCH quote in the end but came in at 190 pcm on a 3+35 with cruise on 8k

dealer up north quoted me £170 pcm on 3+35 with cruise and 15k allowance... why such a gap? should I try to my dealer to match it or go for zetec s deal above? thoughts guys?

went a different route selling both our cars got a deal on the older zetec s black edition 3+35 £162 pcm 15k mileage with 3.3p excess 299 admin fee. privacy glass and spare wheel

give tc harrison in burton on trent a call and get a quote worth a shot

I'm test driving one of these tonight at local Ford dealer.

Cheapest deal I can find at the moment online for a sat nav model on a 3+ 8k pa deal is a 36 month lease £427.20 + £142.40 pcm total cost over 3 years £5411.20 (average £150.31 pcm)

Anyone got any thoughts or better deals?

Hi just seen your response too, thanks for that!

Thanks for the info.

I'm very keen on the car but wouldn't want to pay more than £150 per month including all of those things (and tinted windows on the back)! Not sure how realistic that is but I'll try my luck!

Heated seats are indeed an option and cost £175
Not sure what the standard bulbs are like, but they are halogens in projectors. So xenon-like but using halogen bulbs. They're fine for me although a lot of people do complain about them. Automatic lights and wipers are an option for £150
Keyless entry is another option for £450 and includes heated folding mirrors with puddle lights
DAB and bluetooth are standard and work very well. The phone integration side is better than some premium manufacturer offerings.

All of this can be found on ford's configurator at ford.co.uk

headed seats are optional

Heres the standard spec but you might want to download the ebrochure on the ford website
http://www.ford.co.uk/Hidden/BrochuresandPricelists
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Full exterior bodystyling kit with large rear spoiler and ST-Line wing badges
■ Sports style front bumper, front fog lights, upper and lower mesh front grilles and lower aerofoil
■ Rock metallic 17" 8-spoke alloy wheels
■ Halogen projector headlights with LED day running lights
■ LED night signiture to rear lights
■ Sport-style seats with red stitching
■ Leather-trimmed gearshift gaiter and leathertrimmed handbrake
■ Unique ST-Line 3-spoke perforated leathertrimmed steering wheel
■ Centre console with armrest and illuminated cupholders
■ Dark woven headliner
■ Sports pedals
■ Quickclear heated windscreen
■ Manual air conditioning
■ Ford DAB Radio with 4.2" TFT screen, SYNC and Emergency Assistance†, Bluetooth® connectivity, remote audio controls and six speakers
■ Trip computer with Ford Eco Mode
■ Front door threshold plates with ST-Line logo
■ Perimeter alarm

if you want a contact number for the ford dealer who i used please pm me.

Couple of tips for you having handed back my Fiesta Zetec S red edition last week.

Delay your service but don't go over the maximum permitted time then you'll only have to service it once (mileage permitting). My mrs damaged 2 alloys so I refurbed them for £50 each and then got 2x partworn tyres (brand isn't important unlike my passat).

Why am I mentioning this? They performed a 30 minute inspection on my driveway and went over EVERYTHING. If you have any imperfections they will find it so get everything sorted before hand. Make sure you have your manuals and both keys etc. You really need to know what you are getting yourself in to with this leases.

Been delayed and not with dealer till 29th

Anyone who knows please feel free to answer! @dajambo @abhinn

I'm very late to the party here but I'm looking at similar deals to this one at the minute, and had a few questions about the spec if you don't mind?

Does the car have heated seats? I believe no, and that they are a £200 option?
What are the headlights like? Xenon / automatic?
Is there keyless entry & start?
Is there DAB & iPod functionality?

Basically my current Golf GTD has all of the above and I would miss them all - due to job change my car mostly sits at the train station now so I'm thinking of giving the Golf to my partner, flogging her banger and I'll get one of these for the commute.

hows the motor? i am next week now before we get ours

Been told car is supposed to be with dealer on 15th

not a specific date but been advised w\c 17th October for collection, what about you?

Don't old bill pull you for driving around with a blank number plate then?

I ordered mine from my local dealer. 5 door with Nav and tinted windows in Magnetic. £153 on a 3+23 with 8K miles. Due for delivery mid to end of November :smiley:

cheers very nice tidy wee motor

Oh go on then, here's one.

Great post, thanks for taking the time to share your views.

I would be interested in seeing the photos if you can be bothered... help feed my excitement :sunglasses:

I've just gone over 1000 miles (oops) so can give a bit of insight as to what the car's like.

This is coming from a 2.0 Focus with around the same power and soft suspension, but with a lot more creature comforts (leather/climate/cruise etc and a lot of weight). I'm quite a keen driver, so was looking for a car which would give me a decent level of feedback and most importantly is fun to drive. So far it's pretty much all positive and the car is incredibly fun to drive. Details:

The fiesta's pros:
So quiet, inside the car when driving normally you can barely hear it even with music completely off.
Sounds great, when you push the pedal to the floor it lets out a deep rasp sort of like an inline 6 and sounds much better than it really should (I know it has some symposer stuff going on, but who cares!)
Looks brilliant, I'm not all that bothered about how a car looks personally, but had quite a few people mentioning how good it looks, compared to 0 comments on my previous Focus. The alloys in particular look so much better in the rock finish than the silver that the Zetec S used to come with.
Handling: I could probably write an essay on this alone. Some people probably won't care about this at all, but to me it was one of the key reasons for picking it over some of the other cars. It obviously takes some time to adjust to a new car, and when it's new you can't really push it too much as it's still being broken in and you don't really know where the limits are. However, I've had some time to get to know it and the way it attacks corners and puts a smile on your face puts a lot of more expensive cars to shame. First thing to note is that there is certainly a lot more front end grip than rear end. Turn in is super sharp and the small wheel and relatively low ratio means you can get it turned in exactly where you want it. Second thing to note is that it's seemingly impossible to get the thing to understeer. It's super adjustable on the limit which is good fun, and has a liking for lift off oversteer when pushed, similar to the ST. It also stays so flat in the turn that it gives you good confidence and feel for what's going on. Good stuff. If you're just pootling along though, there is ample grip no matter what speed you're doing, so don't think it'll be drifting everywhere :smile:
MPGzzz: Took a while to learn how to use the engine properly to get good economy, but once you do (aka don't use too much boost) you can get good results, 50+ is quite easy and I've even seen a 60.2 for one long A/B road trip
Power: It is quick, but only relative to the engine size. I've found that it's usually best to keep it in third from 2.5k rpm if you want to push on as it is the first gear where you get full boost (1st and 2nd are limited to save the gearbox). It is so torquey from above 2k rpm that there really isn't any need to change down at all, and motorway overtakes are effortless.
Interior: Seats are superbly supportive, and also very comfortable once set up correctly. The new matt grey interior trim looks much nicer than the old glossy stuff and the black headliner makes it feel a lot more upmarket than it is. The new steering wheel looks very similar to the ST's (might even be the same, not sure) and is very soft and well padded, pedals are lovely too.
Hill Hold Assist: Surprised by how well it works in the fiesta, was expecting a grabby useless piece of tech, but it works brilliantly. Only use the handbrake when parking now, never when driving (even on hills!).

Cons:
Ride comfort: At low speeds it can be a bit jittery. By no means is it similar to an ST as they're very stiff, but for some it could be a problem - best bet is to test drive it. Once above 30mph though the damping and spring rate work very well and it's then very composed.
Power: It can be a bit of a laggy thing. Coming from a N/A lump I'm finding myself missing the instant throttle response that it gave, especially after gear changes where the Ecoboost is almost left standing at times. Does it feel like it has 140bhp? Yes as long as you're in 3rd, 4th or 5th and above 2k rpm, then it in fact feels like it has probably around 155bhp. Any other time and it can feel a bit lacking.
Interior: The infotainment, well... Also you can't have the vents on your face and the windscreen at the same time which seems daft to me. Sat nav works well enough, but won't win any awards.
Gearbox: It comes from a period before the Ecoboost was created and wasn't designed with it's torque in mind. Ideally Ford would've designed a new box for the Ecoboost to remove all of these problems. 1st and 2nd are torque limited and make it feel underwhelming (hence the poor 9s 0-60 relative to weight and bhp); reverse can be an absolute pig to get into and have found myself embarrassed by the loud crunching twice in a week.

I'm sure there's lots more, but it's late and I can't think of anything right now. Any other questions, feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer. I might throw a pic up later in the week, but to be fair everyone knows what it looks like (I hope).

Come on don't leave us hanging , what's the car like ? ☺

and whats your verdict on the car? 140bhp?

Nope, was through Perry's in Chesterfield, same spec with Met paint and 8k miles. Got the car last Monday.

Just to confirm was this through TC Harrison and for the same spec car (ST Line Nav) with 8k miles?

yup 17th oct

Mid October then ?

only estimated delivery date for me as per the order form atm

Anybody got a delivery date confirmed yet ??

like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVWETjwkqm8

Anyone know what this car exactly looks like? I think someone said its not the one in the posts pic

5k

only 5k which is more than enough for the wife pottering around to school and the shops, the excess mileage is 6.03p (incl vat) in case you wanna rough est for more miles.

includes start/stop (not sure if this is standard?), sat nav, metallic paint, heated seats and a full tank of fuel. no admin fee, finance with ford. IMO that's a hell of a lot of car for the money!

Car est. delivery mid October

How many miles per year for that price ?

i pulled the trigger on this car today including heated front seats for <£130pm 3+23 :smile:

i'm cheaper ............

You don't normally need great credit for lease deals. You might be offered a 6+23 instead of a 3+23, but that's about it.

There's little risk for the dealer - if you default they'll take the car back and can sell it anyway.

I'm a student and managed to get this deal at £122.05 pcm on 6+23. No problem with finance.

why don't you go into ask a someone in the dealer? get off yer butt!

Anyone tried getting this deal with poor credit? I really don't know where I stand currently as my credit file is clear bar one CCJ that was satisfied nearly 2 years ago. Don't know if I'd be eligible for this or maybe even be able to use a guarantor.

Yet a brand new genuine 17" alloy for the Fiesta St line is £170 delivered on eBay, £15 for fitting and balancing, so why would someone pay £600 at a dealer

The ‘fair wear and tear’ policy is supported by Ford Lease and the British Vehicle Rental and Leasing Association (BVRLA). The policy outlines the expected condition of a vehicle given its age and mileage. Ford Lease will only charge for damage or missing items beyond the ‘fair wear and tear’ policy. Doesn't matter which type of lease the fair usage policy is still the same ..

i was told they're more lenient with pcp but i dont know the facts. the dealer had sent me their policy on wear and tear and some of the prices are astronomical. damaged alloys etc up to £600 per wheel

Does anyone know if the same fair wear and tear policy applies to both PCH and PCP or is it more strictly applies for PCH lease?

It's looking like October for delivery...

It's a payment - you don't get it back. You pay 3 months in one go, followed by 23 months. You end up paying 26 months rental for a 24 month contract.

Looks like that one is £10 more expensive still for the same 3+23 8,000 deal. Comes out at £151.14.

The initial payment on a 3+23 deal is this an actual payment or a bond of some sort that you get back if everything is okay at the end of the lease? Never done a leasing before. TIA.

One more question and apologies for nagging but this doesn't have stop/start does it? I just don't see the point in that for such a small car that has reasonable mpg? I'd prefer it without.

I got a quote for this. It was £5 more expensive than shown on WC site but I think still a good deal.

Couple of quick questions.

Does it come with Air-Conditioning because on the WC site it doesn't have this listed, only as an option on some providers. The quote I got from one of the companies they said it did come with A/C but I will need reassuring on this.

I went on a few motor insurance comparison sites yesterday to also check the insurance. I met a stumbling block though because I have also been checking deals through offers on with my work for employee benefits.

The problem I have on checking insurance is I don't know whether this is classed as business lease or private lease? I think this effects the monthly premium for the car but I am unsure if it effects the motor insurance? Any ideas?

typically the wait for a brand new car can be anywhere between 4 weeks and 12 weeks

If you go through any broker you're going to have to pay a fee ..

​it shows a £300 processing fee on their website too

I did it through Yes lease, I only applied the other day and now my order is with supplier and waiting to hear back about delivery etc..

​which dealer did you use and what's the process like from start to finish? how long until you get the car?

I ended up going for the 10k miles deal was £144

Thanks for posting this deal. Heat added!
The link didn't work for me but I managed to get to the What Car site and then find something similar. I need a small and fairly quick run about for a couple of years until I can afford something better.

so 5k cover on gap based on 17000 car would be ok?

Looks like Trust Ford (much closer to me) offer the same deal, and they take part-ex on lease deals too.

As for GAP, always worth having (although not at dealer prices). £5k of cover would be enough (I can't imagine insurance paying out less than £11k in 2 years). If you shop around I'd imagine £70 is about right for that kind of policy.

I went for it in the end as you can also cover the initial payment lump sum so if the worse happens you get a lump sum back to enable you to get another car.

Cheapest I found was https://www.pistonheadsgap.co.uk

Use PISTON12 for 12 percent off

What happens if there is an accident and my vehicle is written off?
We require for your protection and ours that your car is comprehensively insured at all times. In the event of an accident you should submit a claim to your insurer. Please note you must continue to pay normal monthly instalments pending determination of your claim. If the car is not insured, we will take possession of the vehicle and sell it at public auction. You will continue to be liable for the difference between the net sales proceeds received from the vehicle and the insurer’s settlement amount. Our Guaranteed Asset Protection (GAP) product can cover you for such shortfalls.

is gap insurance necessary on this type of deal? surely if it only costs just over £3k for the term then if the car was wrote off you'd be paid the value anyway. you wouldnt lose out itd be upto the lease conpany to fight for the rest. or is that wrong?

I've been told 12 weeks.

prices ask seem to have gone up on website now but still got my quote at £138. what's best colour to go for everyone?

Don't listen to the horror stories, we've leased 5 cars as a family over the last 6 years covering over 110k and never had a bill yet, it's common sense if you return a car with cigarette burns in the seats, dents on the bodywork chunks missing out of the alloys or bald tyres expect a bill. most we ever spent is £50 on a dent bloke to remove a dent on one car and two wheel refurbs on another car three years later at £35 a wheel as I'd rammed it up a kerb by accident. But if they had been our own cars and sold them to either a private buyer or a garage they would have knocked money off for the same anyway or we'd have had to have the work done anyway. Not all leasing is good look for the deals, ps garages usually hate it when you mention PCH rather than PCP as they make a lot less money and will try and scare you off.

Saw this deal and got a quote from the link at TC Harrison Derby, car had gone up to £138pm with Nav and met paint.
went onto the leasing websites and TC Harrission still were very competitive, got them to quote for 5 door which was £5 pm more.
Took this to Perrys Ford Chesterfield who matched it saying they couldn't beat the monthly figure.
They did however chuck in car mats, £225 privacy glass and its first service all in all just over £400 worth of extras and no admin fees.
So a 5dr version of this Fiesta ST Line Nav 140 is just £142 pm and £428 deposit inc vat, road tax, warranty servicing no admin fees on 8k a year for a £16.7k car.
The car has very good reviews in its class, Ford has spec'd it up prior to the new Fiesta coming out mid 2017 and if your up for a new car these figures are amazing and smash their pcp prices.

went to my local ford (benfield) leeds and they couldn't beat or match this offer or another lookers ford deal on the website. the manager disbelieved the price until i showed him the quote.

i was also told by someone who works there to go for a pcp on a car and not a pch as they are picky with pch and can pretty much charge what they want for any damage at the end

We're thinking about it, going to see what our local dealer offers - if they can't get close to it we'll go for it.

How much GAP would i need, is it the total cost of the car? many thanks

you could have walked into your local ford dealer, any ford dealer and got this deal or one very close to it. i do it every couple of years. 99.9% of the people posting in this thread aren't serious about buying the car they just think its a good deal.

That's what I was thinking, that very few if any were actually able to get deal at this price..

​Think many of us have tried calling, using their live chat and emailing them. Still haven't come back to me and I've tried all three. Sums them up really. Even if I could get this deal, I doubt I'd trust them now with their poor customer service.

Is anyone actually going ahead and getting the deal advertised ??

My friend has the 125Bhp 1.0 Ecoboost focus and the head gasket has already gone leaving him with a £2300 bill at only 40k miles and 3.5 years old. Ok to lease but would worry about owning long term on such a small 3 cylinder engine running 20-25 psi boost

Yes, maybe just me but I'd rather be a customer of my local place that will service it rather than just using them for servicing only.

When you say local dealer, do you mean an official ford location? Would it be worth ringing also to save travel?

with these leases can you specify options in would just like cruise control for example? or are these cars already sat on a forecourt ready to go?

it is 138 per month. just spoke to a man on the phone

Anyone know the waiting time on these vehicles?

135 with yes lease

I requested a quote and nobody could be arsed to reply.

Had a quote back - couple of quid more a month but still a stonking deal.

i think its bad practice to be honest if this is how lease companies work. they display a price but then you have to go through a system for a quote. why not just give you it at the price displayed? doubt they'll contact anyone back about it as they've clearly knackered up!

a lot of y'all should just contact the lease rep at your local ford garage.... by the time you wait around on here for a sensible answer to your question the deal will be long gone...

the key thing to remember with a lot of lease deals is that if you don't act fast you'll miss out!

Apologies if this has been asked already, but does this include the Red Edition (see picture below)? After all they are the same specs. If not which colors/accessories include in the ST-Line because I cannot distinguish between this and the Zetec S.

Is this the actual price ?

I was searching for a 208 GTI and found a deal i was happy with, when I enquired about it i received an email stating they only had solid paint cars, and more metallic cars had been sold which affected the future value of the solid paint, so they quoted me a totally different price to what they was advertising, which was about 200-300 more deposit and an extra 20pm over 23 months

This usual practice for lease companies?

Could you buy a Xr3I for less than this, and keep it after. Cold!

Would have been willing to give this a go. shame.

4 in 10 cars seems rather a lot. Reflashing the EPROM on my car would involve me dismateling the whole dash every year. A huge amount of work to do evey year. To make it viable you would have to be doing pretty big mileage, but be careful of not wearing things like the seats, gear knob, steering wheel and pedals.
So maybe if you are a taxi or dodgy hire company but can't see 40% of all cars being done.

Looks like deal has vanished? Link no longer working and TC Harrison offer doesnt come up in the search. Cheapest is now 3+23 at £135.84 a month. Called them yesterday but it was near closing and I was in a queue with music so didn't bother waiting. Gutted :/ Might try to call now but expect they'll fob me off.

EDIT: Called and an answered by the receptionist I believe. Told I had to send an email to get a quote and they are not discussing over the phone as too busy with enquiries. As link is now gone and doesn't appear in search I guess they've pulled the deal, potentially was incorrect figures or a typo then if they weren't expecting it to be so popular (maybe 141 instead of 131?)

anyone gone for this?

You would be surprised how many cars get clocked back. 40% of new cars get clocked back before the first mot.

daft question but what colour does it come on standard? how do you know what they are like to drive what if you take one out and don't like it?

Called yesterday no call back

i asked them for a quote yesterday and they still havent got back to me. thought they'd be hassling to be honest but heard nothing so far. oh well no rush

I've noticed the link doesn't work anymore. I called yesterday and they stated the finance team would call me back, still waiting. Not sure if the deal has finished. Anyone else who has contacted them recently?

I drive a Mazda 6 mps which is the dizi engine from which for have the ecoboost ok it's 2.3 but a much bigger heavier car but is faster than my old wrx and as per the comments about torque the max torque for my version is at a low 3k revs

Oh right thanks mate I've never leased so didn't know the process :smile:

Oh yeah I've got another question...

How does address registering work? Does the address of the leased car have to be the same as insurance? It costs £2000 extra to insure in london -_-

Ok cheers mate. Does that mean I can't get the "solid white" even though its supposed to be cheaper?

What is the paint choice on this car?

I see it says metallic included but when you look at the options, metallic paints apparently are an extra?

Struggling to confirm if this has aircon. Anyone?

Also is there really no admin fees etc? I think every lease deal I've seen and paid attention to on here has included one. Site doesn't mention anything but not worth ringing if they say its gonna cost an extra £400 in fees.

How so? They look pretty similar to me (that's the Zetec S) and the S has been removed from Ford's lineup. "It replaces the Zetec S trim".

You said your mate worked for a fuel company,clearly you were implying he is someone in the know about fuel,I was simply making a joke that he worked behind the counter at a petrol station.

Sorry, was aiming for 5k for 2 yes with 16k miles. Any chance of a 5 series or similar?

Not really sure what you mean to be honest. There are different additives in fuel. It may enhance performance, aid with carbon build up, burn better or leaner or something else. It may not do anything at all and just give the opportunity for the fuel companies to make more money but think of it this way. You are a manufacturer of a product. Would you be really happy in selling your exact same product to your competition who will then undersell you and cause people to buy your product from them for less money instead of buying your product at a higher price from you. It doesn't really make business sense unless of course you can convince your own product is better in some way. Now you will have to think really hard about that. My friend was actually a Technical Manager for a local independent fuel company, i.e. not BP, Shell, Esso or other refinery company. Unleaded fuel is graded and you get what you pay for. Whether that fuel be better from BP, Shell, Asda or Tesco's has never really been proved but there will be some who say their car is better, faster and more economical using V Power or similar and others who will say that cheap fuel is just as good. My wife owns a 1.2 Fiesta and it doesn't matter what we stick in it, it's still as slow as ****.

Did your mate who works for a fuel company tell you all that before or after he handed you your receipt for pump number 2 :wink:

Haha, petrol fuel, it's all in the detonation lol. I have a friend who used to work for a fuel company. There is a difference in the types of fuel you buy at the pump and from whom you buy it. Fuel is graded and I don't mean by it's octane. There are different qualities with the fuels that are refined by BP, Shell, Esso etc. All fuel has to meet a certain specification and that specification even at the minimum level will be fine for your car. The only difference in a supermarket grade and the unleaded you buy from a supermarket is the BP / Shell fuel may have additional additives in the fuel which may enhance the performance. No doubt V power has even more additives in it but there has to be something in it because F1 cars and Moto GP bikes don't use the same petrol we buy from Asda do they. I haven't owned a petrol car for some years now so can't comment on the differences in performance mpg etc. However on diesel with a dpf then that could be another story. Twice I have filled up at a supermarket and about 300 miles later my dpf light comes on flashing and has to go the garage. Two different main dealers have told me not to run it on supermarket diesel. So do additives really work. I am not sure but on my car I will not put supermarket diesel in it anymore and over the last few years I have done quite a lot of research on the engine fitted into my car and dpf's in general. One interesting post was a car importer in Africa somewhere saying that he has no end of issues with diesels fitted with dpf filters which come from the UK compared with those imported from Europe. So that could be why all those Europeans can drive faster. They have better fuel lol.

Are you sure about that? I'd be very surprised if all new Ford cars sold in the UK have a tracker system fitted as standard.

Just had a look at the Ford Fiesta ST200 brochure, and that doesn''t have any indication it comses with a tracker. It boasts a Thatcham Cat1 alarm (which also has an immobiliser as you would expect), but no mention of a tracker.

Have you a link to support your assertion?

The Germans also make a similar 1.6L which appears to be faster than everyone else's. Maybe one day the others, perhaps even the japanese may catch up.

My Mitsubishi has one fitted as standard and so did my Evo back in 2005,so ford are hardly doing anything groundbreaking,yet the way people talk you'd think ford are setting a trend,yet in fact they are playing catch up.

Personally if someone was to steal my car I wouldn't want it back seeing the engine will have been driven to within an inch of its life,probably have accumulated damage and be worth less due to it being classed as a stolen recovered.Couple that with the fact that a good number of insurance companies actually increase the insurance cost if you have one fitted (strange but true as I know from experience) and it all all adds up to being a waste of time having one if you ask me.

Really? Have you any link to anyone who knows how to do this for £60?

It was possible with older cars when they had mechanical mileometers, but modern ones are all electronic.

As I am led to believe, neither Ford nor their supplier who actually produce this part for Ford have any idea how to wind back the clock*. The only option is to fit a replacement, and that would cost a lot more than £60 just for the part, let alone the labour, and it will be spotted immediately.

* I am led to beliebve it is actaullay possible to re-zero the clock if the total accumulated mileage is less than about 200. The supplier won;t explain how, but they say it is possible. After that they know of know possible mechanism, so would love to haer from someone who thinks they can.

The reason for being able to re-zero for a very limited period, the supplier say, is so that if they start testing a particular speedo unit in the lab, say to perform quality assurance testing (ensure it works correctly), then they can re-zero it and still sell it on as new to the car manufacturer.

Over 2 years 1 service? 3k decent car hmm im looking for a car too but am scared ill bombed with bills on these lease deals

Keyless start - don't touch it. My son's was stolen off the drive - search Fiesta ST or ST2 or ST3 on social media in your area. Thieves break the window, (not sure why alarm is not triggered, but it isn't), reach in and plug a gadget into the block, which disables the need for the key to be present, switches off the alarm and unlocks the door. Drive away never to be seen again. £14k payout for my son but Ford should be ashamed, it's a disgrace

I don't think the Yamaha engine is turbocharged though to be fair - still wouldn't work in a car though, as per my previous comments.

You think that all these taxi companies with brand new fleets aren't doing this?

Or to be more clear, they lease cars to independent drivers, who then clock then back before they give them back. The taxi / leasing company turns a blind eye because it's not in their interest to care - they make money from the taxi drivers.

I have a focus eco boost 125 titanium on PCH with Arnold Clark - they are registered owners and keeper. I'm retired live near Newcastle have 1 speeding conviction and insurance is 189 p/a with quote me happy- so shop around guys!! I do 10000 miles/year and by the way the car ain't too shabby either

Anyone who's got a 40K car shouldn't have a 40K car if they don't have a Garage (with an alarm system +CCTV) to park it in.

Thanks to everyone who answered regarding insurance and who would be the registered keeper. It sounds like it won't be an issue but I just wanted to check. I'm still quite young (I think!) so the price can sometimes be very sensitive to small things.

Has anybody received a quote back for this? I requested a quote last night and got one back today for £414.43 + £138.14 per month (total cost £3591.65). I've sent an email back complete with link and screenshot, but I was just wondering if anybody else has had this too?

Depends the car.
Mine with a lot older R1 engine did fine, even with two people in it. Ok, car was a good bit lighter.
Also worth remembering the bikes are a good bit higher geared.

I would guess that in a heavier car the clutch and gearbox would be the bit that really suffers.


Also; this is all 'NA'. Add turbos and you can get north of 300hp; though servicing probably then in hours rather than thousands of miles!

No, it's whoever has their name on the V5

No it's not.

Maintenance not included?? I bet they rip your eyes out on this

Not quite the same car as in the pic.... That's the ST model!!

Have this engine in a red edition - MPG is fantastic and pretty nippy.

I don't live in a city either. But I do live a 15 minute bus ride from one.

As yes, this is true, they are spreading it over more cars. Which still makes 8-10k a year more than enough for a lot of people.

These are basically the Zetec s black and red edition! I paid £12404 including finance for mine brand new

​Don't be so sure if there was evidence they would have fixed it. Ford's, particularly fiestas and transits have been a popular choice for car thief's for at least 5-10 years. So have BMW m3's and focus rs/st's. Now these people can buy obd devices for peanuts online it just makes things easy. Pretty much all modern cars are susceptible, not just keyless entry (although they do seem to get targeted more). However as fiestas and transits are so popular they make sense to steal as they blend in to make an easy get away. Aside from that high value cars like focus rs' and BMW m3's are targeted in the same way and it's a quick way to get £40k+ in less than 20 seconds and not many police cars will catch one either. Then it's off to the chop shop.

There are theories about hacking in through phones or radios but the quickest, easiest way they get in is make a hand sized hole in the driver's window without smashing the rest, the alarm systems on modern cars seem to have a weak spot inside near the wing mirrors that don't pick up on a hand reaching in for the obd port (which is ironically placed right near that weak spot), they plug the device in and are away in seconds. The only sign they leave is usually a small amount of broken glass where your car used to be. They can also get jammer that they leave nearby that stop your car from locking in the first place so always check it's locked.

A steering lock is actually a good idea. It takes longer to get off and means more tools to carry so if they see one they're less likely to target that car. The other great idea above is boxing in or locking the obd port, which would slow them down even more. The car manufacturers won't admit this because consumers will talk with their feet and the insurance companies would charge a fortune to insure a ford if they admitted how easy it is. So the only other answer is to accept it and get gap insurance.

Key word there when talking about buying is "should" . Yes if you buy the car and sell it in 2 years you should get your capital refunded . But then if there is a ford petrol engine emissions scandal , major safety related recall or any other sort of damage to the brand or model of car you have bought then you may find that the capital you "should" be getting back is massively reduced . Thats why it may well save you a little bit VS the lease if you buy it , particularly if you have the cash to invest . But its always a risk and it could end up costing you a fair bit. I wonder how many people who bought VAG TDI cars or have them on PCP deals that they got "promised" a decent guaranteed future value on (in order to trade in ) are now wishing they had simply leased instead leaving the issue of the car depreciating quicker than anticipated firmly in the hands of a leasing company . I was actually looking at buying a VW passat TDI around the time the emissions scandal broke and the £10-£11K cars I was looking at lost £1k-£1.5k off their resale in the space of about a month . Even cheaper smaller VAG TDI cars like the fabia lost nearly £1k in resale value over the same period .

Not quite; check with the lease firm. We have a lease car and we are registered keeper and lease firm (Arval) are the registered owner. This is usually a standard thing and insurance companies don't charge any more or less for this designation of ownership and where it is kept etc. (at least not in my experience of dealing with insurers, but never hurts to check - I have Admiral multi-car and there is no issue with business use or keeping the lease vehicle and whatnot).

Does anybody know who is the registered keeper of the car with a lease for insurance purposes? Price comparison websites ask who is the "legal owner" and who is the "registered keeper". The legal owner is clearly the lease company. If I put the registered keeper as the lease company, my current insurance company (Admiral), who are usually the cheapest by far for me don't quote, yet they do if I put the registered keeper as myself. Does anybody have any experience with this?

Also OP I think the total might be £3422.64, not £3442.64 if my calculations are correct! Maybe another £20 saving?:laughing:

Absolutely no need to be derogatory, I would hate to live in a city but don't judge those who do.

By your argument people aren't driving less they just spread it across more cars....

That's a conveniently vague response! What fuel do they run on exactly?

I notice you're also silent about emissions - I suspect these engines aren't actually road legal?!

ETA: It seems that you're talking about the Mercedes F1 developmental engine? If so, it doesn't use pump fuel and doesn't meet emissions tests, so apart from the car physically being able to be driven on (some!) roads, it doesn't really meet the definition of road going!

If we're breaking the law, why not just steal a car?

Even with a ford privilege voucher and additional variable marketing deals on top (excluding fact this is pure rental and not paying off towards ownership ) I can't get monthlies close to this with 8k miles. Has to be hot deal. How harsh are these companies on charging extra when lease term is up due to car no longer being show room condition?

Would you need a decent credit score to get this ? Mine is really poor.

My Zonda would destroy this so cold for me

A simple mod to the OBD port does the trick or even a padlock.

If only it came in 5 doors

So I'm only 4% less than average :smiley:
http://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/mobility#a5

You know, you can get a lot out of any engine when you whack a turbo on it.

Yes - UK average. That's where we live, the UK. I understand you might live in the middle of bum-**** no-where but not everyone does. That's what an average is.

Perhaps London does skew the figures, however it would always have done since the population of London is around about the same as it was in the 1930s right now.

There are other factors in play too, to quote the RAC:

"The estimated average annual mileage per car in England has decreased as the number of cars per household has risen, falling from around 9,200 miles in 2002 to 7,900 miles in 2014. This is due to falls in business and private mileage. Commuting mileage has remained fairly constant overall, although there are different trends depending on if the car is company or privately owned.

In 2014, a company owned car travelled more than twice as far as a privately owned car (18,600 miles and 7,500 miles respectively, on average). However, the sample of company cars in the NTS is small so estimates should be treated with caution.

The estimated average annual mileage was higher for diesel cars than petrol cars, at 10,700 miles and 6,700 miles respectively in 2014.

- See more at: http://www.racfoundation.org/motoring-faqs/mobility#a24"

The Average round here is 15k your talking about weighted national average mainly due to London not being physically able to drive and having lots of public transport available. The North of England and Scotland will be way higher than this.

Yes, hence "average"...

Depends where you live us country bumpkins have no choice and 15k around these parts is common as we have no public transport and have to drive to supermarkets etc.

In the case of the fiesta we got the same car in a diesel for £200 less!

Hardly, they are a good visual deterrent and if I was after a car to nick I would avoid one with a lock as

A) you would have to spend an extra minute or two sawing at the steering wheel
B) then replace the broken steering wheel
C) risk getting caught "tooled up"

So no they are not a waste of money as a thief will most likely choose a car without one.

Your right the diesel isn't fast, however it's not frustratingly slow either.

That report suggests it was 2015 Ford Galaxy & Eco Sport models (although there is a linked report also from 2015 that Ford Transit Vans were affected), along with models from many other manufacturers including Audi, BMW, Honda, Vauxhall, Subaru, Toyota & VW.

Of course,. this was a year ago, and if there was any evidence of a known security flaw, the manufacturers would have acted quickly to fix it. It says BMW had fixed a known security flaw that affected up to 2.2m of their cars, but denies knowing of any actual theft cases involving the theoertical possibility of caputuring SIM card data when transmitted, and then using that to create effectively a duplicate key to enable the theft of the vehicle.

If someone really wants to take a vehicle, they can easliy do so in about 60 seconds or less, simply by lifting it onto the back of a truck, and there is nothing any manufacturer can do about that.

" Tidy wee car for the wife or the teenager.."

You missed out grandparents

Excellent deal but these things are thirsty on petrol mid 30's is easily seen (average low 40's). I'd get the same car in diesel as I've had 65mpg out of ours on a run.

very good price, heat added.

Good price for a punchy economical car.

Can anyone find an ebrochure for the ST-line? The normal Fiesta brochure doesn't mention it and the only other ones are for the real ST cars and the special Red & Black editions.

Surely Harrison Ford should be selling the Millennium Falcon.

anyone know where i can find the exact model online so i can use the reg to do an online insurance quote? cant find one of the same spec to check.

thanks

Thanks op, this is a great deal and beats the one I currently have on order by around £20pcm - currently trying to cancel to fake advantage of this.

I can confirm they run on normal fuel,my 400bhp EVO x runs on tesco 99 momentum,but according to some it should have blown up by now because it's a supermarket fuel which means it's rubbish and sports cars can only run on shell v-power lol

How do people find enough miles in these. A commute can easily be 30 miles a day. Which works out at 7000 mpa, and that's assuming they don't go anywhere else other than to and from work.

That would be the EVO X FQ-440 MR

http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evolution/

A fellow MLR member ?

It's common sense. An extra 20 miles a day commute (assuming 230 working days) will be 4,600 more miles a year costing £563 a year in fuel (@ 40mpg), plus travel time, vehicle maintenance and all the other costs.

Life work balance is much better with a smaller commute. That said I commute 120 miles some days. Needs must.

The trick is not to drive the car at all - just leave the nice new shiney car on the driveway to the envy of all the neighbours.

It's amazing how many people who spent their money on German technology in the past, now secrete their motor away in the garage, too embaressed to be associated with them. There is also the odd owner of Japaneses technology that now do likewise, since they too admitted they had falsified fuel efficiency figures for decades.

You can always be proud of American cars though, for we have a special relationship with that country.

Anyone know of any good lease deals on the Seat Leon 2.0 TDI FR 184?

Ideally after one ASAP, don't really want to have to wait 12 weeks for delivery.

Nothing more exotic than petrol :smiley:

Perhaps you need to use freshly blended fuel, and perhaps blended to a little more accuracy than the stuff you might get from the local supermarket, but essentially it's made from exactly the same compounds as found in commercially available petrol.

Even when best formulated, it's still 99% identical to premium fuels you can buy on the forecort.

Engine longevity isn't great though at this output - probably lucky to get 1000 km (but they are designed for a purpose and meet that requirement)

What are the likely maintenance costs of this? Just a 1 year and 2 year service? Could this be done at a local garage rather than a ford dealer? Would tyres have to be replaced after 16-20k miles before returning to dealer?

I suspect that such an engine were not only run on exotic fuels, but they wouldn't pass an emissions test so weren't actually road legal.

Both the Mitsubishi engines mentioned above were not only fully road legal, but came with a 3 year warranty.

Here in the UK we can produce 1.6L engines that produce well over 900hp. These have been fitted to cars that have driven on roads. These engines are very expensive though ...

A major influence is also that there are also more cars on the road. The second family run-around that mainly does the school run. The cars that the teenage kids have that only do 50 miles per week. I suspect the 'primary' car for many households remains a high miler.

Honestly, yeah. I don't drive very gently either apart from motorway traffic.

But I agree, the quoted figures are complete crap, but it is a very cheap car to run and have fun in :smiley:

This has to be one of the best small car offers on the site and only another £9 a month for 10,00m per annum. Hot from me.

Mitusbishi produced a road going 1,998cc engine that produced 400 bhp back in 2004, that's over 200 bhp per litre, 12 years ago.

A couple of years ago they produced a road going 1,998cc engine that produced 440 bhp, or 220 bhp per litre.

Have the same engine in my Zetec S Black edition. (Yes, I willingly drive a car looking that daft)

But seriously, great fun and I really do struggle to get below 40 mpg driving like a standard 21 year old guy.

Hmmmm
I think local big girls will be well into this.

All as discussed in the other thread ... None assembled in Spain today either :smiley:

It also explains where the engines are sourced from

I have never leased before but I am interested.

Do leasing companies walk around the car with a magnifying glass when the car is due back looking for the tiniest of scratch to bill you for or are they reasonable providing there is no significant damage?

Built in Germany by the Cologne Body & Assembly plant.

I've seen deals with http://www.gateway2lease.com for around 5,000 a year, but you're probably better off with PCP if the mileage is that low.

I've looked at a few lease deals and notice that few offer annual mileage below 8,000. My wife usually only covers 4,000 to 5,000 miles annually - does anybody know if you can get a lower price for a lower annual mileage?

Wow! £1 a week cheaper makes obviously makes all the difference to us shewd HUKDers

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/ford-fiesta-st-line-140bhp-lease-24-x-147-inc-admin-fee-3540-8k-miles-lease-2488988?p=28515876

I'm voting this HOT, HOT, HOT too!

And it's a FORD too. Much better than those cheating ones the Germans make.

Any good offers on 7 seaters...

I'd like this... but my credit score is low (no defaults but I have only had a credit card for about a year and a mobile contract for 3 months). Likely to stop me getting it? I have proof of earnings and savings which would show I can easily afford this.

I think it depends on how/ where it's driven. I commute 30 miles at 65mph on the M25 and long 40mph roads in my Red Edition Zetec S and consistently get about 56mpg - £42 of fuel gets me close to 500 miles! It's my third Zetec S too - so there's definitely consistency. Of course, stop start driving definitely lowers the average (as I presume it would any car!) - but I think due to the small engine and turbo any acceleration noticeably puts strain on the MPG.

Yeah, that'll teach everyone else on the site who could then miss the deal!

:neutral_face:

To be fair Fords have always been easy to nick.

Old Sierras, Escorts and Fiestas could be stolen with a teaspoon.

I just leased a Zetec S 140 with satnav so similar spec and it was £500 initial payment and £165 a month. This is a very good deal.

Yes at a zillion revs not exactly suitable for a car.

So is this what used to be the Zetec-S model? or is that still made as well?

Can any finance pros suggest a diesel lease for 16k miles a year please? All of these deals seem to be for 8-10k only.

Thanks to anyone who can help!

......Didn't realise he was doing car leases now....things must have taken a dip since the last Star Wars.....

​had no issues getting quotes or insurance on my lease car. try a different price comparison website if you've got issues.. I used the one with the opera singer and there was no issues with ownership. In the end I stuck with axa and again no issues... I think it's just an impression given by lease haters more than a real thing

Can you get it in four door?

Disklok is great, the video highlights the problem with cheaper variants

Is there no admin fee or the likes for pursuing this deal? Do you have to wait for the car to become available?

If someone wants to take your car, they will take it by whatever means possible. A steering lock is a deterrent. It might make them think twice or take a few minutes which increases the risk for them. Money well spent if you ask me.

I feel that although those are a waste of time, something like a disklok would be much, much tougher to overcome and all steerin locks act as a extra deterrent a extra layer for the thiefs to faff around with.

I think it depends on the Finance company - I checked on my current lease and the entire VW group hold the V5C for their leases, making them both the owner and registered keeper. It cost me an extra £250 to insure mine, although that was with business mileage too.

The bike engine components aren't engineered to have the load placed on them that the weight of a car would incur.

It comes down to Newtons third law: To every action there is always opposed an equal reaction. So when the engine is applying force through the gear box, differential and tyres to propel the mass of the object along, equal forces are subjected to the engine components. A bike only weighing a couple of hundred kg causes less resistance to the engine components so they can be built with much lower tolerances which is what allows them to achieve such a high specific output per litre because the moving components are much lighter. But they're also more fragile so when you have those opposite forces of the much higher mass of a car being exerted on them they aren't up to the task reliably. So car engines are built with tougher internal components, but means that per litre they produce much less power than a high revving bike engine.

Steering locks are a waste of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fd2Op5VpUrg

Yup. These are basically the Zetec S rebadged as the ST-Line, with some ST themed trim on the inside and darker alloys.

I ordered mine a month ago. Looking forward to getting it (hopefully this week). Seems to be taking ages for it to arrive. :disappointed:

Could this tow a twin axle caravan?

​or they take the train, bus, cycle or walk. My last company moved from Middlesex with parking to West London without parking. So it was a walk to the station and 75 minutes on 3 trains, compared to 45 mins in the car.

Or, as increasingly there's no parking so they either park and ride (in cities etc.), public transport it all, or cycle. Personally, I purposefully chose my current job and house so I live within a few miles of my work and cyclevanyway, after previously driving 66 miles a day for a few years.

​That's incredible that people either find jobs super close to where they live, or they just move really close to work.

As Fubar rightly says, torque is very important. The Yamaha motorcycle engine probably produces around 100nm, and no doubt revs to 13,000+ RPM. The Fiesta engine will produce roughly double the torque, and will rev to 6000ish rpm.

Car manufacturers are always trying to find new ways to produce power out of smaller engines, and would have made this move years ago if it 'worked'. As an example, some Honda Vtec (car, not bike) engines rev quite high to produce relatively high power, but probably 8500rpm or so, not 13,000+.

Someone once said 'bhp turns heads, torque turns wheels', and that pretty much sums it up.

As another angle, think about trucks. Today's probably run at around 450-500hp, when many performance cars are 600+. Could you imagine a Ferrari or similar trying to pull 40 tonnes of cargo? The truck will probably rev to 2,500rpm, but will produce much, much more torque than a car.

Horses for courses.

Yeah there's more to an engines power than peak HP.

So Harrison Ford has started a car dealership?

I have a lease car (after seeing the deal on here, thanks HUKD). I'm not the registered keeper, the lease company is, and had no problem insuring with Admiral - think the quote was about £50 more than if I'd been the keeper.

It wasn't worth the faff/hassle/cost of cancelling mid-term so I stuck with them and when it came to renewal they were the cheapest after a bit of haggling!

The suggestion would be lack of torque. Those power figures will be at a high rpm (thus low torque) so you'd need to rev the nuts off it and slip the clutch to get off the line with a standard gearbox. Saying that though, you're right that with a suitable gearbox with sufficient reduction it would be fine (odd driving with the engine revving that high though!)

I'm not an engineer, but why not? The output power of an engine is the output power. Surely with the correct gearing and clutch, it could transfer that power?

Ha! Touché!

Thank you Mr J Clarkson

I seen the same one today advertised but didn't see how much the deposit was but it was 100per month

Not sure the average teenager would find insurance companies too friendly with a 140bhp car!

But that wouldn't pull the weight of a car - convincingly at least.

Seems like a good price and not to much of a deposit to put down. Think loads of these companies are happy for you to put down more and reduce the monthly payments.

The Formula Ford version has 205, with 3 cylinders :innocent:

140 brake from a one litre 3 pot is really quite impressive. Gone are the days of the Suzuki Swift Gti or Daihatsu Charade Gtti!

I agree, either do it properly or not at all!

Love it. Not patronising in the slightest!

Must say though, I wouldn't be embarrassed to be seen driving it.

Group 19 for this one. Still be a good couple of grand a year for insurance.

:sunglasses: nice find