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5 year fee-free fixed mortgage 1.99% @ Coventry BS (50% LTV)
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marathonic
17 Aug 16
This is the same rate as the First Direct and HSBC deals but has no associated fees.

However, it requires a 50% LTV so only suited to those with big deposits or plenty of equity in their homes.

There's also a 1.89% 5 year fix with a £999 fee but this would require a mortgage in excess of £200,000 to be the better choice.

Another interesting product is the 1.99% fixed rate to 31.12.23 with a £999 fee - a fix of a little over 7 years.
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malcolmleyland to Peco
17 Aug 16 13 #25
​Yeh. Its called the dont be greedy mortgage. Leave the houses for them that haven't got one already.
marathonic
17 Aug 16 5 #1
Some people prefer longer fixes such as the fee-free 2.79% 10-year fix posted below:

2.79% 10-year Fix

Personally, I prefer the 0.8% lower 5-year fix and using the 0.8% as overpayments. That way, at no extra cost, you will have paid off 4% (0.8 * 5) of your mortgage balance over the five years. I'd be very surprised if you ended up worse off when remortgaging to another 5-year fix in 2021.

Using overly simplified maths to make it easier to understand (the actual figures will vary slightly depending on term left to run), a 5-year fix in 2021 would need to cost over 3.6% to make the 10 year fixed rate option pay off - basically, the 2.79% you'd be paying on the 10-year fix plus the 0.8% extra you paid during years 1 through 5. I believe 5 year fixes will cost significantly less than 3.6% in 2021.
jamesmoorers
18 Aug 16 4 #46
Oh the outrage that people want to make money. What a society we live in.

It isn't over valued if that's what people will pay, almost everything in this world is priced based on supply and demand.

I got most of my house deposit together working at Sainsburys while getting a degree. If I wasn't studying, I was working, including 60/70 hour weeks during holidays.

Everything is always someone else's fault, right?
fireman1
17 Aug 16 4 #41
Yes, because there really is a shortage of houses available. I looked on rightmove earlier and there was only a few thousand for sale in my city. I better get one quick before they all get sold for buy to let before the weekend.
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marathonic
17 Aug 16 5 #1
Some people prefer longer fixes such as the fee-free 2.79% 10-year fix posted below:

2.79% 10-year Fix

Personally, I prefer the 0.8% lower 5-year fix and using the 0.8% as overpayments. That way, at no extra cost, you will have paid off 4% (0.8 * 5) of your mortgage balance over the five years. I'd be very surprised if you ended up worse off when remortgaging to another 5-year fix in 2021.

Using overly simplified maths to make it easier to understand (the actual figures will vary slightly depending on term left to run), a 5-year fix in 2021 would need to cost over 3.6% to make the 10 year fixed rate option pay off - basically, the 2.79% you'd be paying on the 10-year fix plus the 0.8% extra you paid during years 1 through 5. I believe 5 year fixes will cost significantly less than 3.6% in 2021.
robinscp1979
17 Aug 16 #2
Does anyone know the best deals for a 75% LTV?
marathonic to robinscp1979
17 Aug 16 #3
That depends on whether you're looking for a fixed, variable or tracker rate, how much of a mortgage you are looking for and whether your personal circumstances deem you acceptable to the various lenders.
ghunj
17 Aug 16 #4
BOE is likely to drop interest rate again very soon. Do you think it would be worth waiting as banks may follow downwards with mortgage rates?
marathonic to ghunj
17 Aug 16 1 #6
It depends on what rate you're on now or, if you don't have a mortgage yet, whether you have a house in mind that you'd like to purchase.

The widespread opinion among economists is that rates will drop in December to 0.1%. That's only a 0.15% drop.

It's much easier to see the reasoning behind expectations of rate drops influencing your thought process during application for a mortgage when rates are dropping from 2%+ downwards. From current levels, I wouldn't let expected interest rate drops influence your decision TOO much.
RudeYute
17 Aug 16 #5
I was accepted on Coventry's five year fix at 2.24% (65% LTV), which has now dropped to 2.04% (as of yesterday), but think it makes sense to go for a tracker atm.

Given that BOE rate is likely to go down again, before going back up, and the fact that my mortgage has already been approved by Coventry, I decided to stick with them, and think the following is pretty good atm instead:

+1.35% Bank Base Rate Flexx Tracker to 30.09.18

The plan is to move to a new deal (likely a fixed rate) by the end of the two years. In the meantime, I can take advantage of the BOE rate drop. I know there is a risk rates could go up in that time, but i am willing to take that risk. Even if they do go up another 0.25%, I would be better off than I would be on the 2.04% fix.
marathonic
17 Aug 16 3 #7
First Direct have an excellent fee-free rate at 2.18% for 5-years for a 75% LTV.
robinscp1979
17 Aug 16 #8
​​​I have a really good credit rating and I am looking to re-mortgage on a fixed rate. I am currently on my banks variable rate and free to move. I currently owe 96k
egrayn
17 Aug 16 #9
How do the maths stack up against the Coventry BS 2.39% 10 year fix with £999 fee?
FTOdude170
17 Aug 16 #10
isnt the HSBC 1.79 tracker for life worth a punt though, with our assumations of the BOE rate atm?
lanc1979 to FTOdude170
17 Aug 16 #17
The advice used to be to get a tracker when rates were high, as you'd benefit from a drop but unlikely to rise higher (except the late 80s). Plus the +% was lower. Fixing when rates are low seems to be the better approach.
I'd be nervous about getting a tracker in such an unstable climate - Brexit will happen within 3 years and who knows what's that's going to do. But a drop of more than 0.25% (ie to negative rates) is highly unlikely (but who knows).
dewonderful
17 Aug 16 2 #11
These aholes just cut their interest rate for savers, so they can bump up their mortgage offerings? 2008 is coming again.
royals
17 Aug 16 1 #12
I have on natiowides bmr for past 3 years. currently 2.50 but I think it's going to or has gone to 2.25 with the last boe drop so not worth me changing as our mortgage is pretty small
Peco
17 Aug 16 #13
Anyone know of the Best "Buy to Let" mortgages out there?
Thanks in advance! :-)
bobcoyle77
17 Aug 16 1 #14
check Quidco and TCB for free mortgage advice and cashback
lanc1979
17 Aug 16 #15
If you can hold on a month or so, I reckon they'll be even lower rates available then.
The interest rate cut is only just hitting savers, and mortgages are always slower to react.
Reckon a 1.79%/No Fee 5 year should be available in a month or so.
marathonic to lanc1979
18 Aug 16 #44
​I'm not disagreeing or anything - I just find it funny what difference a few years can make. I don't think there's a person on this planet that would have thought that we'd reach a point where it could he argued that 1.99% is too expensive for a 5 year fee-free fixed rate mortgage
nlewis
17 Aug 16 #16
Has anyone got a link to the 1.99% fixed Chelsea mortgage with no fees, as I can't find it on their web site?
DontRun
17 Aug 16 #18
Just seen this today too - Was in a bit of a dilemma as I've already got a telephone mortgage appointment booked for this evening with First Direct to go for their 2.08% 5 year fee free mortgage deal and I wondered whether to cancel and go for this.

After much deliberation, I've decided to stick with the First Direct morgage for the extra 0.09%, as theirs allows unlimited overpayments, whereas the overpayments on this are limited to 10% of the capital per year.

For me the 10% overpayments limitation would become too restrictive as the mortgage gets smaller. I'd rather be able to set the minumum monthly payments quite low and then overpay as much as I want to, which you can with the First Direct one.
simont_space to DontRun
17 Aug 16 #21
Obviously don't know what deposit/equity you have, but HSBC appear to lend more the higher your deposit/equity.
https://www.hsbc.co.uk/1/2/mortgages/first-time-buyers
jonathan_d to DontRun
17 Aug 16 #26
check the terms very carefully. for example, nationwide is 10% of the original balance, it doesn't reduce down to 10% of each year's new balance...
JohnnyUtah
17 Aug 16 1 #19
I'd be nervous about fixing because of Brexit. Job security for many will be more uncertain for a long time yet. Lose your job with no prospect of a new one and being tied into a 5-10 year deal with massive ERC.

Think a tracker with low rates, possibly no great rate increases in the pipeline and the ability to jump on to a fixed at short notice seems a better idea.
SewerSide
17 Aug 16 #20
Not sure about your maths, but I might be wrong.

If you had a £100,000, 25 year mortgage, at 1.99% you pay £423/mo. At 2.79% you pay £463/mo. So if you overpaid the difference, that would be £40 * 60 months, or £2400, which is 2.4% of the mortgage.
Peco
17 Aug 16 1 #22
Anyone know of the Best "Buy to Let" mortgages out there?
Thanks in advance! :-)
malcolmleyland to Peco
17 Aug 16 13 #25
​Yeh. Its called the dont be greedy mortgage. Leave the houses for them that haven't got one already.
londonguy to Peco
17 Aug 16 #39
sorry buy to let died ages ago
marathonic
17 Aug 16 #23
The big difference is that the outstanding balance reduces much quicker on the lower rate product.

£100,000, 25 year mortgage, at 2.79% you pay £463/mo
£100,000, 22 year mortgage, at 1.99% you pay £468/mo

I reduced the term by 3 years for simplicity - you'd be paying an extra fiver per month for the five years.

Balance after 5 years:

£80,951 on the 1.99% rate
£85,154 on the 2.79% rate

So you'd have paid an extra £300 over the five years on the reduced term, 1.99%, product and the outstanding balance would be £4,203 less - a saving of £3,903
malcolmleyland
17 Aug 16 2 #24
Jesus. I can remember paying 15% in the 90s. Hope those days dont come back for all the younguns. I went from paying £200 a month to £450 a month on 30k mortgage. Imagine that kind of pro rata rise today. Dont take on too much, trust me.
deshepherd to malcolmleyland
17 Sep 16 #67
​Agree, my first mortgage in mid 80s was 12.5% and went up to 16% for a time. I remember then being amazed at the 8.99% five year fix we got in around 95.
tazza84
17 Aug 16 1 #27
Well said
Peco
17 Aug 16 1 #28
Ha ha that made laf!
Peco
17 Aug 16 #29
Helpful mortgage calculator use this link
http://www.moneysupermarket.com/mortgages/calculator/
FTOdude170
17 Aug 16 #30
​i hear what you're saying, however, my thinking for jumping onna tracker in the current climate is this: to get the lowest rate, not that I'm expecting it to go lower, but instead stay where it is. I don't expect it'll go down, but I'd like to be able to take advantage of staying on the lowest rate for as long as possible, after paying at 3.49 for the past 4 years, I could've got a better deal you see (ah isn't hindsight a wonderful thing!)
Rulandas
17 Aug 16 1 #31
​NW currently offers mortgages with no limit to overpayments. And they seem to be offering best 2 year deals at the moment.
Rulandas
17 Aug 16 1 #32
Also free valuation and legal fee free. More cashback of 250 for current account holders. Looking forward to remortgage to them next year...
datgreg
17 Aug 16 #33
This is a great deal. Would be all over this but sadly still got 1 year left on my 3.7% fixed. Doh!
Sparco100 to datgreg
17 Aug 16 #34
4.29% for us for another year :-(
GeneralTrouble
17 Aug 16 #35
FYI. I've not been keeping a very close eye on mortgage rates since the BOE cut but have read that not many banks are passing on the cut either in full or part. If the BOE cut again (not a certainty by any means) it will ony likely be a marginal cut of 10 or 15 bp (so rates cut to 0.15% or 0.10%). Several MPC members have said that "the lower bound is above zero", i.e they won't cut rates to 0%. That means that if they do cut, the banks will have an even smaller margin to cut their rates again.

Rates are unlikely to rise soon, at least until the full fallout of Brexit is known. However, there's very little room for banks to cut mortgage rates meaningfully lower so we are very close to the bottom as far as they go. Timing is everything but I would think that tracker mortgages will have limited usefulness over the next 2 odd years because their rates will have limited downside. If you get one very close to the BOE rate (say 1.0% above) you can probably wear 2 or 3 hikes and still be better off than other rates at that time but then obviously you'll pay more for a fixed rate from then.

For those who just want piece of mind and stability I think getting a fixed rate for as long as possible at a rate under 2%, if possible, is the way to go.
kkthomask
17 Aug 16 1 #36
If I had 50% of the loan value with me, I would not have been scrolling HUKD ha ha
FTOdude170 to kkthomask
18 Aug 16 #49
​dont be silly. we have 30%. don't underestimate the scrupulousness of saving monies.. lol
gadgetcake to kkthomask
18 Aug 16 1 #51
Couldn't disagree more. It's by saving money at every possible turn that most with 50% LTV have managed to get there!
HellRazer
17 Aug 16 #37
From my understanding the BOE rate only ever changes in quarters ie 0.25℅ at a time. Unless the BOE decides to change their policy, I'm not sure where these economists are getting their information from. The next drop would be down to zero and below.
londonguy
17 Aug 16 #38
anything over 0.25 is a rip off :laughing:

nice cheap mortgages but grossly overpriced housing

don`t know about you but i would prefer expensive mortgages and cheap houses
delusion
17 Aug 16 2 #40
I just signed up for the exact same mortgage for the second time - 2 year tracker with no early repayment charge. 0.89% + base rate (santander). Also get 1% of payments back as cashback.

The fees to settle early on a long term deal are often quite high, and due to the current uncertainty I really can't see any drastic change coming that makes a long term deal appealing.
fireman1
17 Aug 16 4 #41
Yes, because there really is a shortage of houses available. I looked on rightmove earlier and there was only a few thousand for sale in my city. I better get one quick before they all get sold for buy to let before the weekend.
JohnnyUtah
18 Aug 16 1 #42
Nah... they just ran out of cheap houses to buy.
RuudBullit
18 Aug 16 3 #43
There are plenty of houses for sale out there. If somebody doesn't own their own house, do you actually think that is the fault of a private landlord?
penguini
18 Aug 16 #45
Yes indeed. Because of the change in gov payments for housing benefit under labour where the cap was put up 300%. House prices tripled in value in 4years in lower priced areas. Most low value properties are now rental houses. Average wages for these areas are too low to buy a 'cheap' house overvalued because of greedy landlords.
jamesmoorers
18 Aug 16 4 #46
Oh the outrage that people want to make money. What a society we live in.

It isn't over valued if that's what people will pay, almost everything in this world is priced based on supply and demand.

I got most of my house deposit together working at Sainsburys while getting a degree. If I wasn't studying, I was working, including 60/70 hour weeks during holidays.

Everything is always someone else's fault, right?
Gennip
18 Aug 16 #47
Why bother with a mortgage when you can live on benefits and pay a lot less?
marathonic to Gennip
18 Aug 16 #48
​because some of us are a little more ambitious and want something more than being on benefits
FTOdude170
18 Aug 16 1 #50
​im pretty sure it was sarcasm! lol
marathonic
18 Aug 16 #52
I agree with you.

According to Nationwide, the average house price today is £204,238 - a mortgage at an LTV of 50% would be £102,119.

Someone that bought a house 10 years ago at £160,319 with a 10% deposit would have started out with a mortgage of £144,287 and would now be 10 years into their mortgage, i.e. they'd probably be close to, or below, 50% LTV.

Is the assumption of some people that anyone who bought a house in 2006, or before, shouldn't really be on HUKD?
RuudBullit
18 Aug 16 #53
​So you're blaming the government? Private landlords are making money. It's what we all strive to do. It certainly isn't greedy to want to work hard, save, and invest to want to improve the lot of yourself or your children. But of course, those that haven't got the work ethic, or drive to improve, or don't want to scrimp and cut back to save a deposit can always blame those that have for their situation.
DontRun
18 Aug 16 #54
We're remortgaging as our initial 5 year term is just about to come to an end, so the amount we need to lend is not that high relative to the propery value. I guess most people looking at this will be in a similar situation as not many first time buyers will have a 50% deposit!


Yes I was under the impression that generally the overpayment limit it's 10% of the original balance, however I checked the terms for this Coventry mortgage and it says "You can repay up to 10% of the capital p.a. without an early repayment charge", which I would interpret as 10% of the remaining capital each year as opposed to the initial capital at the start of the term.
simont_space
18 Aug 16 #55
No idea where in the country you live, but that statement is cr*p. Lots of nice first time buyers homes available at a reasonable price away from the SE/London.
vchin
20 Aug 16 #56
Landlords are not staying in more than one house. "Leave the houses for them that haven't got one already." - happens through letting, and very very useful to those tenants who haven't got one already and are unable to buy at that point in their life - the same phenomenon that everyone including the landlord would have gone through.
penguini
21 Aug 16 #57
Oh really. The average wage outside The south is about 18k. Many are on less. Tell me where all these reasonable house prices are. A terraced house used to be 27-32k for 10 years in the north west. Government rules changed and buy to let took off. Same houses are now 100k. Do the maths
penguini
21 Aug 16 #58
So your saying anyone who does not own a few properties has no work ethic? Personally I think houses are overpriced and will crash. Who will bail you out. Probably us lazy non house owning work shy lot. I think you are very narrow minded. I stated a clear fact which is well documented.
marathonic
21 Aug 16 #59
The average wage includes people on very low salaries - the typical person on minimum wage never could and never will be able to buy a house.

At any point in time, whether today or 10/20 years ago, the lowest paid section of society will not usually be able to afford to buy. This may include those who expect to rent for life or those for which being among the lowest earners in society is expected to be a temporary thing.

What I'm getting at is that an £18k average salary in a particular area cannot be used to calculate whether houses are affordable. You really need to calculate it based on the average salary after stripping out all those on, or close, to minimum wage.

Regardless of how you feel with regards to excluding the lowest paid in society from being able to buy their own home, the fact remains that they'll never be able to afford one based on their salary - and this is not a new phenomena.
tissues77
22 Aug 16 #60
Advice please! I always thought less interest rate is better but HSBC advised me other way as there is no fee involved. Will 1.74% fee-free deal be better than 0.99% with £1499 fee on 150K mortgage for 2 fixed years.
SewerSide to tissues77
24 Aug 16 #62
Depends on the amount borrowed really, but basically if its more than £100,000, choose the lower interest with higher fees. If it's less than £100,000, choose the fee-free deal. (NB only for these fees and rates).
lord_trumpington
22 Aug 16 #61
Been on an Intelligent Finance (IF) offset since 2006 and own approx 3/4 of the house outright with a £75K balance. IF are no longer lending and its existing mortgages are fixed at 2.5% I believe. Am starting to consider my options on mortgage offers under 2% so this is worth looking at.
tissues77
24 Aug 16 #63
Thanks SewerSide.
tissues77
13 Sep 16 #64
Which one is better for £150k remortgage
1) 1.74 no fee fixed for 2 years with hsbc
2) 1.74 lifetime tracker with £999 fee with hsbc.
I only have 10 years left on my mortgage.
marathonic to tissues77
13 Sep 16 #65
There is no guarantee as to which is better as interest rate expectations could change in the next few years.

However, with current expectations of no rises for 4-5 years, I'd be more tempted by the lifetime tracker. A £999 fee only represents 0.66% of your outstanding balance and, for that, you'll get a good rate for life.

You'll find that, as you approach the end of your mortgage term, it gets harder and harder to secure a good rate because the fees or costs of moving are too high compared to your outstanding balance. It's for that reason that the lifetime tracker would be the choice I'd go for.
tissues77
13 Sep 16 #66
Thanks Marathonic for your advice.
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Washing up bowl / coloured tub Asda

£0.10 George (Asda George)10 Oct 17
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Ultimate Rotary Can Opener - WHITE AND GREEN with code
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Ultimate Rotary Can Opener - WHITE AND GREEN with code

£0.68 GearBest10 Oct 17
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Pyrex square dish 21cm x 21cm
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Pyrex square dish 21cm x 21cm

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Instore Morrisons10 Oct 17
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Whyte & Mackay Special Blended Scotch Whisky 70cl
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Whyte & Mackay Special Blended Scotch Whisky 70cl

£10 Sainsburys10 Oct 17
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Huawei Smart Watch with Link Band Silver
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Huawei Smart Watch with Link Band Silver

£149 Huawei Honor Store10 Oct 17
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ASUS G11CD Gaming PC
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ASUS G11CD Gaming PC

£499.97 Currys10 Oct 17
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iPhone lightning cable - super cheap (C&C)
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iPhone lightning cable - super cheap (C&C)

£1.97 Currys10 Oct 17
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Lego Friends Calender
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3 stars +179

Double LEGO VIP Points

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Graco Fast Action Fold Travel System in Bowtie Bear @ Tesco Direct (more in OP)
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£98 £200 Tesco Direct10 Oct 17
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Gears Of War 4 Steelbook Edition (Xbox One) (Open Box)
3 stars +129

Gears Of War 4 Steelbook Edition (Xbox One) (Open Box)

£12.99 Studentcomputers.co.uk10 Oct 17
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The Body Shop Sale Now On Plus 50% Code when you spend
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The Body Shop Sale Now On Plus 50% Code when you spend

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