So you pay all that money but still don't own the car, I don't understand why anybody leases cars like this... Just wasted money like renting a house or flat... Like I do

It'll get you to India ... although not back again.

Seats look comfy:

Wrong - because you should only lease if an asset depreciates and even more so when it beats the depreciation had you bought it in cash.

If an asset appreciates, buy it.

Delivery is set for 25th November.

Received an email today with my contract to sign.

Received an email today with my contract to sign.

Any updates? I'm in same position

Hi have you got your cupra yet? I was told my cupra was build week 39 and have not heard anything since, was due two weeks ago. Rang and they mentioned there's a contract problem. Just wondering if your in the same boat?

Expired?

Seat have ceased production of this particular model. I just missed the deadline for ordering the estate version.

The extras shown in this spec of this deal come with the Black Edition. You would only need to declare extras if you added things such as Sideskirts, sound system or sunroof etc

great deal. just wondering are you supposed to declare all the optional extras on your car insurance? seems some providers ask for "optional extras" to be declared.

I need a new car lol

Is it normally this ling in a lease car, or is this the usual for any finance option in a new car?

My last update was "Dear Customer,

We have been advised by the dealership that your vehicle in transit from the factory and is due in shortly we anticipate delivery towards the end of October (Subject to shipping and UK Customs).
As soon as we have contracts we will issue them approximately 2wks before.
We will keep you informed.

Kind Regards

Don't be surprised if your status changes from status 00 or 10 to being built within a matter of days. That's what happened with mine

My Seat dealer received this from the Customer Services team

'Good Morning

We received the below update from supply on the 21st Sept-

The factory are now sitting on 455 CUPRA orders as per the attached.

They have 7 weeks to build them which they are working hard to achieve. Due to this volume many are showing at status 00 with no build. When the factory can they will give them a build week, move to 10 and so on. This is just the normal SLI build process – it is just slowed down by the volume of orders.

I am just putting an email together chasing some that haven’t yet gone through. Do you have the order number of any Cupras still at status 00?

Kind regards

Sammy Clegg
Dealer Support Advisor
Dealer Support'

I placed my order on 1 Aug 16 and I was told last week that my build date is 7 Nov 16, but they may bring it forward 2 weeks.

Looking at delivery late Nov/early Dec!

Anyone had any updates?

Im not sure SEAT UK will share that info. Let us know if you do.

​I'm about to be sensible and order a golf gtd estate.

Would still love a cupra st though. Is there a way to find out which dealers have stock on order. Seat UK customer services?

I was previously told unconfirmed build week 39, that's obviously not happened and now I'm still awaiting further updates :/

....maybe best to wait for the facelift model hmm.

Now I've completed on my house, getting a car on finance is an option haha...

Anyone able to find a deal anywhere near as good as this now?? I've been told the Cupra has stopped production so its only stock that companies/dealers have that can be ordered now :-/

Keen for 5dr and DSG (As i think it would be a smoother driving experience)

It's a dark grey not sure on its full name, I'm awaiting a call but don't mind a colour change

Is yours Dynamic Grey? I heard of some issues with this colour, in some case people were having to change to another colour

Mine is due into the dealer any day now & I ordered mid July

I heard from my dealer today. Apparently factory have knocked my buildweek back to week 0 meaning they haven't even started yet. Apparently I'll get it by December now and the factory had done this to everyone who has an upcoming build week. Anyone else heard similar?

Great success, mine has been delivered to the dealer :smiley:

Unfortunately due to a business trip next week I will have to wait to pick it up :disappointed:

Looks great - mine is on the boat so not long to go now!

Still yet to see a better deal, even the GTI deal from this week doesn't compare to this

Loving the car so far!
Moves like nothing else I have driven ever.

I cancelled my order after I was told it would be November after I ordered in August. And even then I could not be told a specific date.

Anyone have any pics they'd like to add? And also experiences/reviews of their car? :smiley:

I have friends receiving their cars now as well, the funny thing is i ordered before them and mine hasn't even been built yet. Last time i use freedom to order a lease car!!

Okay so my car is now at the dealers!!

And I can collect it on FRIDAY!

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

I ordered from a local dealer when this was first posted. I got an update today, car has been built and is waiting to be shipped - should be ready for pickup mid October.

Freedom have failed to actually quote me properly. They took daaays to reply and when they did it wasnt on the criteria i asked for. emailed them to raise that... no reply for a week. emailed again couple days ago...

will stick to my local dealer i think.

Anyone order from freedom and get a build date? They just tell me a different story every time i ask, my current lease is up in a month and i ordered with plenty of time for the original stated 12 weeks months ago, gonna be without a car now by the looks of it.

Got an order number from them but doesn't work on the VW order tracker, not sure if that covers seats aswell?

Build week 39 but unconfirmed
Dsg 2400 then 23x160 for 5000 p.a
180 deposit already paid.
With centralvehicleuk or something like that.

Have not received contract / paperwork so think it's possible to negotiate?

To be fair, whilst the 5k pa deals aren't around anymore (now 6k pa), the deal is still around. You can get a 5dr with 10k pa for around £6000 over a 2 year term - which is still a great deal for a £30k+ car.

Missed the actual deal. Considering the current. Speaking to local dealership. hmm.

Hmmm, I think I am after you so the initial date of mid sept was a bit off!

Hmmm, I think I am after you so the initial date of mid sept was a bit off!

I'm build week 40 expected in uk in November

Went direct with a dealer

How is yours that much? The best deal on there seems to be £6k+ now :disappointed:

I was told they are on Factory Shut down until Sept.

just emailed for an update on mine.

I am still sat at status 10... So order confirmed but not being built yet.

I got 10k anyway and having sat and worked it out it comes in at 5980 for the full term all in and gives me the comfort of the extra miles

I was told by a Seat dealer that Seat pulled the 5k deals. The new minimum was 6k

I'd suggest speaking to your local dealer & see what they can do for you

Hi folks. Is this deal still available as when I click the link the price is coming up at 166.79 for 10k miles. I would prefer the 5k option as I don't drive that much.

Hi folks. Is this deal still available as when I click the link the price is coming up at 166.79 for 10k miles. I would prefer the 5k option as I don't drive that much.

That is the norm, although I've seen as little as 2 weeks and sometimes 6 weeks. Depends on several factors really.

​is delivery date usually build week + 4 weeks?

Hey is your contact still good for this deal? Just sold my st focus and thinking this would be a great replacement.

Dunno if its good, but its sooner than originally quoted.

Makes it first week or so in September for the build.

That good? Think mine will be end of September apparently maybe October that the same as everyone else? Won't know a build week for a little while

Updated confirmed build week received today, week 37 now, not week 42 :smiley:

Cheers for mine. Ordered thru your contact... Dynamic Grey...!

Sorry ronnie, I had loads of PM's coming through so just ended up replying to those who messaged me

I never got the message with the contact

Yes :smile: Thanks for helping me out with your contact!

Good deal mushy?

I ordered mine today :sunglasses:

I've ordered one, did it on Friday

Anyone else get an order in?

http://configurator.seat.co.uk/seat-cc/deep.do?c=006_DEFAULT&l=en&mkey=summary&cid=CARLINE-5F8-LEON-ST-CUPRA&mid=ALL-5F868Y%2F0%2FGPINPIN%2FGPJ3PJ3%2FGPL6PL6%2FGP34P34%2FGRKJRKJ-2016&pids=F56+++++LE%3BLE-N6D-PL6%3BF14+0C0C&lo=desktop

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I would complete any orders ASAP as the deal has been pulled by VWFS, the only vehicles available now are ones that people have been "propped" on and have decided not to go ahead. - I have this on good authority from my internal source.

Will you pm the details please

Mine Is 3+23 I'll DM people tomorrow as just out and about at the moment

Pretty sure it's the same dealer as yours if you look a few comments up.

@Glossopdealsniper would you mind PMing the person's email please?

If that's the 5dr Cupra Black with metallic paint then it's a great deal. Would be even better if it's a 1+23 term.

Mind if I ask where from? PM me if you'd prefer to keep it quiet

I spoke with DM Keith in York again today

They could offer a 6+23 of £1320 initial, followed by £220 per month. That's for a 5dr model with DSG & 6k mileage allowance. Total cost £6380 / £265 averaged out over the 24 months

Or if you wanted to compare this to the other 5k mileage deals its £6236 total / £260 a month averaged out

To be honest I was hoping for better!

What term is that please? i.e. 1+23 or 6+23 etc

Got mine down to 6012 inc VAT for 10k per annum so all good for me

Mine comes out at 6780 ish inc VAT for 10k per year, with extra mileage at 6ppm plus Vat

Same here, waiting on a call back with my quote

Still awaiting a reply today

any update?

I've had an initial reply and will hear more tomorrow

Good luck

I've just emailed dm Keith York so will update when I hear!

I have a friend their thats how I know they are dealing with the orders.
Unfortunately I can't give any names, but they are very busy as they are running a Skoda VIP event over the next few days too. I would get any orders in ASAP before it gets pulled.

Anyone else used national vehicle solutions to get this deal. How legit are they?

https://www.nationalvehiclesolutions.co.uk/Seat-LEON-HATCHBACK-CUPRA-2.0TSi-290ps-BLACK-ED-Personal-Lease/43352

Gonna order the manual shortly s the dsg pushes the price up quite a bit

Who are you dealing with at DM Keith I have had no joy with them

Not really. A 2 year lease is like buying a new car and selling it 2 years later (sometimes you get the option to buy the car outright afterwards but you pay market value anyway). If I bought a new car would it depreciate by more than £6k over 2 years? Probably. However, I don't HAVE to sell a car after 2 years. These kinds of leasing deals are great if you want a brand new car every 2-3 years but if you don't, it's far cheaper to buy a used or even new car and sell it 5-10 years down the line when you actually feel the need to upgrade.

So that works out at £6792. Considerably more :'(

I thought you meant it would be £262 x 24 for Cupra black DSG model.

£283 x 24 gives you the total

No build date yet

​have you had a build date or anything? I've gone for the manual @ £131.99

So does that mean it will be the same price at around £6306.
pretty much £262.75 per month?

Im paying £2400+ 162*23 = £3726 +180 total = £6306

What could I pay on 1+23? the same? may contact to amend.

https://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/74509/seat/leon/20_tsi_cupra_black_290_5dr_dsg.html

Scott will do this on a 1+23 with any options at cost, I added rear camera and my order has been placed

​leasing isn't the best option for high mile drivers. you are near that

how did you get that? nice!

amazing deal. basically a lower spec golf r and audi s3 but for peanuts

This is a £29K car

Bit of an update for you lot, just got my "current build week", they have all been pushed back a bit due to factory shutdown for a couple of weeks, but I am reliably informed that they will more than likely bring them forward again later.

Build week 41 - W/C 3rd October :smiley:

York or the Skoda dealership in Leeds :wink:

So you mean this dealership in York http://www.dmkeith.com/seat/

For a minute there I was going to direct message (DM) the user 'Keith' on here :neutral_face:

DM Keith Skoda/Seat Dealership (not DM a guy called Keith) :smiley: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Overall price for me was just over 7k BUT thats because I went for DSG, 8k miles and Fully maintained (Service/Maintenance/Tyres) had I gone for the same options listed here it would have been the same but no doc fee, £2400 down + £131.99 p/m = 3035.77 = £5435.77

And for the ones that are say Metallic paint isn't included, OH YES IT IS!
And for the ones saying Sat Nav isn't included, OH YES IT IS!

I'm SOOOO tempted but bit disheartened by what webuyanycar have offered for my car. Does anyone have any ideas where best to sell my car apart from private (had a lot of tyre kickers in the past...)

Please do tell :smiley:

Yes please. :smiley:

What's the price all-in?

Id be happy to know! What was your final cost with dsg? My focus st goes back in october so beed to order asap! Cheers

Anyone interested in knowing the main dealer that's propping these Leon's for FVC and CVLUK ? :wink: Avoids the doc fees going direct! They are VERY busy with this offer at the moment!

Mine is ordered DSG ST Fully Maintained :smiley:
12-13 week lead time at the moment which will make it a "66 plate"

Apologies, I didn't take into account VAT. The Black edition you posted works out cheaper!

Any links for a standard Cupra 290 please? As far as I'm aware, the Black Edition is cheaper even though it is a trim level higher - but happy to be shown otherwise. :smiley:

I've double checked, sat nav comes as standard on the Cupra and Cupra Black.

I wonder if the Black edition is even worth it? You can get the 3dr Cupra for substantially less (on different terms).

Sat nav is standard on the Cupra 290 Black.

I did, it's a cost option.

Also this car doesn't come with sat nav as standard.

You definitely got it with DSG for this price? Who did you order via?

Thanks

Ring up it's free metallic paint

No it doesn't.. Metallic paint is a additional cost option

It does include metallic paint :smiley:

How is this a better deal at all? This doesn't even include metallic paint.

Seat Leon Coupe Cupra 290 Black Edition £1325.94 Initial , £220.99 Inc vat 10k PA http://www.gbvehicleleasing.co.uk/personal-lease-cars/seat/leon-coupe/leon-sport-coupe-20-tsi-cupra-black-290-3dr-91489754

​Well explained..

Agree 100% you will never pay RRP, but on these numbers you will never get a dealer contribution that brings the price down enough to match the lease price, certainly not on a cheap car like this.

With extras you absolutely do not pay full price, it depends on a number of things. I bought a car on Friday for the Mrs and got extras that would have been £40 a month reduced to £12 (and also got the arrangement fees removed), and if you are buying a decent trim there shouldn't be many extras you need - always better to up the model than spec out a low end version.

The numbers were proportionate as the depreciation is 5736 per year, I was hoping that was obvious...

That is why I am not voting hot or cold :smiley:

You have actually gone right up in my estimation there, just need you to learn a bit about cars now :wink: haha

Just one gripe - Toshiba and Hitachi are Vestel (or similar) these days, and LG (of South Korea!) are right up there, in my personal opinion maybe even number 1.​

All good otherwise though, especially as you are a fellow iPhone opponent - I must say though, I'm a big fan of Macs.

My R hasn't used any oil between new and first service, only one of my 8 VWs did , and it was run in on motorway miles (can and does happen on any marque - plenty of Hondas with oil consumption problems), I will never run a car in that way again.

As of 2015 Hyundai were ranked 9th largest according to Forbes:-

Toyota>VW>Daimler/Mercedes>BMW>Honda>GM>Ford>Nissan>Hyundai

Number 9

You are half right on that list:-

I have a Samsung S6 Edge, i'm not a fan of Apple, the way itunes and other software tries to assimilate everything and slows everything down that it interracts with that isn't also Apple.

I don't have a Dyson, they're not that durable or good for the price, and the stuff is built in Malaysia now with cheap labour which makes the price less justifiable. I got a cordless Bosch Athlet hoover from Costco at half RRP, I had considered the GTech also, it does well and is very light. Previously I had a Vax but it started to fall to bits after 3 years.

We do have a Miele washing machine, mainly because it came with a free 10 year guarantee through redemption and a generous cashback deal, the WDA210 ended up costing a lot less than the premium competition. Have you seen the reliability ratings of those Panasonic/LG/Samsung direct drive washing machines? My mate got a Samsung 3 years ago and has had 2 drive units go in that time - luckily it came with a decent warranty.

TV wise it is upper range Sony - they have amongst the best picture processing (not so much the bottom rung Sonys) and make their own screens, i'd say Samsung, Panasonic and Toshiba are up there with them, LG and Hitachi lag a bit (especially upscaling to a 4k screen), and the Vestel models rebadged with various well known makes are the crap I shy away from. I certainly wouldn't be swayed by a huge screen from a crap make like Polaroid. A good TV is obvious - you can see good picture processing.

I buy good stuff and look after it.

​They're the 3rd/4th biggest in the World, and I believe they will rise further up the ranks, we shall see.

Of course they build some cheap cars for developing countries, but no more so than VW (the VW Gol for example is a best seller in South America).

I presume the poor MPG was based on the more accurate and honest than you're used to trip computer? And don't forget it wasn't burning a litre of oil every few hundred miles too, something that you Dubbers always forget to factor in.

My expensive Services come in at a whopping £575 for 5 services over 5 years or 10k miles in a pack I bought with the car, I agree that £115 each year is way too much for an annual oil and filter change, a brake fluid change every other year and Haldex fluid change at 40k miles/year 4.

Not sure what the costs are for Kia servicing and parts, but I found Japanese car parts and servicing prohibitively expensive in the past.

No EML lights so far at 10k miles in (had it happen once, on a 2002 Polo when the Turbo stopped working, so once in 8 cars bought from new), and should it happen, I have another 4 years of no cost repairs (warranty) left. Believe it or not, not every VW made has a raft of issues, if it did, the reliability surveys would look a lot worse and VW would be barely breaking even on every car sold because of the costly warranty claims.

The Focus RS is an exception to the rule due to the currently limited number of them out there - seems like a good car on paper from what I have read, Focus STs on the other hand depreciate like most other Fords. Maybe Ford will up the production runs and the RS will be more popular than the ST much like the Golf R is more popular than the GTI now.

They make a lot of dirt cheap cars for the developing world (over half their capacity), they don't innovate at all and are 8th largest in the world, not impressive by auto standards. The i40 (in addition to its very cheap interior) had very poor mpg for a diesel and a very non-compliant ride on Irish Motorway (which is smoother than most of our cratered roads). It's trying hard to be a BMW 3/Audi A4 and almost succeeding in the external looks department only.

If my pension pot goes down the crapper and i'm on hard times in my late 60s, perhaps the Kia Rio MK16 will fit my needs, but not right now.

I don't mind BMWs in the main, I like their engines and drive but a 3 series is bigger than I need for myself (and the missus wouldn't drive a car that big), and the 1 series is fugly with poor rear legroom for the size of car.

That's epic by the way, you truly are clueless. You do know we have added other models to the range now, we're not just on the 'Pride' any more?

I can truly, truly say that we take in an astonishing number of VW, Audi and SEAT part exchanges, perhaps more than any other brands (and almost every one has a glove box full of repair orders - I love reading them!).

Oddly, we very rarely take in a Skoda (best of the bunch in many ways that they are), I think those bewildered types are still convinced that their 'cut price Audi' is something special.

On a kind of side note, I am willing to guess you also have;
An iPhone
A Dyson vacuum (and maybe even one of their silly fans)
A Miele washing machine
A Sony or Panasonic 'main' TV

You just strike me as one of those.

You always focus on the positives, but what about the inconvenience of having to get lots of repairs done, and huge bills at each service. And whilst your R is quick when it's running right, what about all those times the EML pops up on the dash, and suddenly it has next to no power? You have perhaps been lucky so far with your current car, but you must be constantly expecting such a gremlin, they really do occur, a lot (and you will DEFINITELY be aware of what I'm trying to say).

And whilst you like to bully the poor little 1.6 Ceed GT in your comparisons, let's talk about your R's depreciation vs a Focus RS, you know, because Ford's depreciate so badly.

Are they heated seats?

Hyundai are the World's number one construction and engineering company, and the World's biggest ship builders. They run the World's largest vehicle manufacturing plant, capable of 1.6m cars per year. You really do think they're 'tin pot' don't you?

You always drag up the i40 story, and what you mean is, you found some of the trim plasticky. That doesn't mean it's a bad car, and in fact there are a number of group tests that rate it above the Passat (and not a ten year old Passat). The German's put their plasticky bits where you can't see them, but it get's you on first name terms with your local recovery patrolman. I honestly think 'our' way is the most sensible.

I don't actually 'hate' German cars, I actually like many BMW's for example, but VWs and Audi's are garbage - and no matter what you say to try and convince me otherwise you never will, because I have been much deeper behind the scenes with them than you have, end of.

They were more honest than most by owning up straight away, the Yanks love a lawsuit when it's free money from abroad. No way they'd pursue Ford or GM with the same tenacity for doing the same thing. If you think the other marques aren't cheating then you need a reality check.

VAG's claimed MPG and emission figures aren't way beyond the rest of the pack, they're pretty typical and all the other big car marques are using the same tech on their diesels - VGT, Common rail, piezo electric injectors etc. That strongly implies that the other cars work the same way. Volvo and Fiat had the highest NOx readings off test, 54x test levels of NOx when driven on the open road.

VW give me everything I want out of a car (access to new tech, good output, good mpg relative to performance, great handling, comfort) at a reasonable running cost (residuals play a big part of that), which is why I like them. If they depreciated like a Ford I might still buy one, but it wouldn't be a new one. The non-performance models are a little dull for me, but i'd say that of any non-performance model of most marques.

Kia and Hyundai are most definitely not the Samsungs of the car world, they imitate and don't innovate.

Every reliability survey I see has a different set of figures, you can look at some and see Dacia outdoing Renault and Skoda outdoing Audi - either because:1. These marques generally have access to older tech from the parent company which is less elaborate and has less to go wrong, or 2. The customers of the cheaper cars have lower expectations and don't moan as much, or 3. These multi-marque companies really do screw their cheaper cars together better than the dearer ones. My money's on a bit of 1 and 2.

Your hate for German cars is ironic considering Hyundai are doing all they can to morph into Audi right now, and to a lesser extent Kia are too. Kia aren't that cheap now - Dacia are eating into your target market. I've drive a fair few medium/large hire cars over the last 2 years through work and the worst I came across was the Hyundai i40. It was like a Passat from 10 years ago, you remember how much refinement and handling has come on in the last 10 years when you get into a car that is lacking both.

It was a tough year for most, but VW asked for their trouble.

I don't know why you always have to introduce the Golf R vs Cee'd GT debate - apart from anything else my point is always primarily that VWs are cr*p, moreso than Kia's are brilliant.

You probably would lose more on a Ceed GT, granted, but that is directly related to the success of VW's marketing in this country. The people who cannot think for themselves will always choose a Golf over a Ceed, I get that, doesn't mean they have made the right choice.

The Ceed does have less performance - but it also has less engine (and is Kia's first foray into a new segment)

It has poorer handling than an AWD Golf, yes, but how about a similarly priced 2WD model - complete with 'Old Testament' rear suspension? I have the latest ProCeed GT (which from late last year are now tweaked by the former boss of BMW's M Division, it pains me to say - he has left BMW to join Hyundai/Kia) and it's handling is fantastic for a front wheel drive car - it's genuinely good fun (which oddly enough is in contrast to the reviews of Golf R - very fast but boring, GTi is more fun etc. is what the pro's say...)

I know on paper the R is supposed to achieve better MPG than the GT, but in case you hadn't heard...

p.s. I've had 4 GT's over 2 years or so, the second one needed the driver's side window adjusting to cure a rattle - if only your Golf's had such a fault record.

Hyundai/Kia didn't exactly over perform in 2015...

Missed targets

We have already covered this - American's don't buy small Kia's, or small anything, really.

The Sorento came top of it's class in the 2015 survey, and most certainly isn't low on tech.

Kia's electronics are as robust as Lexus', sorry if that annoys you. You do realise that South Korea leads the World in many areas nowadays don't you? Not getting it confused with mainland China or Malaysia or somewhere perhaps?

American cars generally aren't well specced - they like them cheap and with 8 cup holders, not a lot to go wrong on the electronics side. I've had a few as hire cars on holidays (mustang, Sebring, cadillac and they're in the main very basic).

My 5 year VW warranty has no exceptions to the coverage of the 3 year warranty - there is a 90k miles limit on it, the only exclusion.

Lexus do well despite having lots of electronics, Small Kias get a bit better than average reliability surveys because of their lack of tech - Lexus are more impressive on that score.

The scandal is blowing over, all the marques fudge their figures CO2 and NOx figures (as people are now realising). People are still buying VWs. The best lease deals right now are in the niche and variants, Golf R Estates and Sciroccos (getting a little long in the tooth, needs an MQB chassis update).

Either way i'm driving a car that puts a smile on my face every single day. I got £4500 off RRP when I bought my Golf R outright, these will be up for a minimum of £20k on the forecourts in good condition when 3 years old, which means an easy £18k private sale if I get shot at 3 years old, £10k lost in 3 years on a £32.5k RRP hot hatch which has exceeded my mpg expectations, i'm happy with that. I'd lose a lot more than that on a Kia Ceed GT with a lot less performance, poorer handling and slightly poorer fuel economy. The Ceed GT has the hot hatch drive you would have experienced from Ford, Honda and VW/Audi back in 2005.

Does this deal come with the DSG auto gearbox?

You're dreaming, especially since the scandal. And let's not forget that VW are flooding the market with cheap lease cars in their desperation, good luck with your ownership only costing you 25% of RRP.

As ever, you have your rose tinted specs on for your beloved VW's - you know that they are riddled with expensive, common faults, and you always try to talk everyone out of it - you're in denial.

You think only 'low tech' cars can come first in JD Power surveys? Lexus have done very, very well over the years.

VW Up and Polo models have loads of common problems - what is this fantastic tech that they offer?

Hyundai have never had a 7 year warranty, in the UK at least.

The Vauxhall Lifetime Warranty wasn't very comprehensive, with less and less things being covered as time went along - I imagine that VW's 2 year/£500 option has many 'that isn't covered unfortunately sir' items...

Kia's 7 year warranty is equally as comprehensive as everyone else's 3 year one - the only thing that drops off at 3 years are the audio/nav units, due to the 3rd party supplier involved. It most certainly isn't a gimmick, and is 100% a statement of Kia's confidence in their products. The JD Power survey demonstrates that the cars are as good as Kia claim.

It's funny how you use turbochargers in your example, VW Group cars need them changing all of the time, in my 5 years with Kia, I recall just one (though admittedly, there are less turbo equipped Kia's than VW's out there).

I have seen a handful of Sportage panoramic roofs stick, a very small percentage when you consider how many are out there - it's down to dry seals, poor maintenance in reality - no parts have to be replaced as a rule. I have closed a couple myself, without creasing the roof...

I remember 1980s Nissan Bluebirds having a manual sunroof closing mechanism for when a failure occurred - Ze German's are still fitting them are they? I honestly don't see that as a reason to boast.

You also state that it's only small, basic Kia's that are reliable, and the ones with any level of tech aren't - U.S. motorists aren't famous for their love of small cars, are they? The top selling models there are SUV's, and the survey in question relates to the American market.

Honestly mate, VW's are trouble, accept it.

Basically true of a lot of cars, but who pays RRP for a car these days? Leasing is usually cheaper than PCPing if you don't dip into the optional equipment, but when you do, you're paying 100% of RRP of those options over the period of the lease - if that's a 2 year lease, £2400 of equipment will cost you £100 a month.

Some cars retain 50-60% of RRP (Performance VW Golfs, Audi A1/S1, Audi A3/S3 just a few examples) at 3 years and can be had for 85% of RRP from new, so you could only be losing 25-30% of RRP. Add in the fact yu might see a quarter of your option money back and PCP can be as cheap. Buying cash (no hefty PCP interest adding up to maybe 1/3 of your monthly payment) and at times leasing can make even less sense.

For me the Golden rule is don't buy a new car if it's depreciation is more than 50% of RRP at 3 years, buy it used. Hefty depreciation is good for the second hand market, not so good for new buyers.

You wouldn't pay more than £24k for this car new, and the actual p/x against your next one is likely to be a grand more than GFV, so your figures above are very much a worst case scenario.

It is, but your numbers are out - 2 year lease vs 3 year residual :wink:

It is generally cheaper to lease a new car than buy one, the simple reason being that the depreciation of a new car will generally be less than the lease you will pay for the duration of the contract. When you buy a car you are paying i) for the car ii) for the depreciation. For every monthly payment going to the manufacturer there is another hidden payment being stolen from the large pile of metal cash you park on your drive - depreciation. The average car loses 60% value in the first 3 years - let us use this car as an example.

RRP is 28680 - so if I were to buy this car for 3 years the residual value would be 11,472 - where has the £17208 gone???? The 2 year contract totals £5674, representing a total cost that is LESS than the depreciation ALONE!!

So my questions is - why would anyone buy a car? It is more expensive, you have to bother selling it and this way you get to ensure a new car every couple of years.

Houses appreciate in value so these are things that should be bought, cars depreciate so they should be leased - this is basic economics :smiley:

It's Golf R Estate money, I don't want the estates.

Plus this is a few hundred down rather than 2.4K, 19" alloys as standard, bucket seats, adaptive control and metallic paint. When you break the spec down its silly money for the amount of car, especially with the DSG, I've gone Moonstone as will look great with the big alloys.

I bought nearly new and like to think it depreciated to £0 a few years ago. Now I pay £0 a year for a car. (Petrol / insurance not included) :smiley:

would be a good deal 2.5k all in

Depreciation should convince you this is a goer!

Higher spec than what my work can offer me, £100/mo less, and two years instead of three. Even with tax savings this deal is way better.

I am after a Seat Leon but really don't like the idea of leasing rather than buying.

Biggest caution is where prices for excess mileage are not VAT inclusive, making some deals a bit less attractive if you're planning on exceeding contract miles.

In addition, some deals have a stepped charge if you reach a certain number of miles, where the charge then ramps up. You don't usually see this detail until the paperwork etc is provided in a quote, though once or twice I've seen the stepped charges called out in advance.

Warranty is expensive for any company, much more expensive for the Marque to pay the dealership £40 an hour to fit a prematurely failed part than take measures to keep rate of failure within acceptable limits (if you understood QA, 6-sigma and the like you would know you cannot 100% eliminate failure). If you think car companies don't actively work to minimise failure on parts with supplier assurance and CAPAs then you're deluded. If you think Kias don't go wrong then you're deluded. The difference between the most and least reliable cars out there is pretty small on a % scale these days, there is no mainstream brand out there that is twice or 3 times more likely to break down than another. Many of these surveys take any fault as an issue, it might be something as piffling as flaky bluetooth connection rather than a turbo blowing up into 30 fragments. Comparing a bare bones smalll Kia to a sophisticated Porsche and saying it is marginally less likely to have a warranty failure within 90 days is no great feat. Tech is the most likely thing to fail on a new car in the short term and the average Kia is low on tech. In the reliability surveys, the small basic Kias always score higher than the Sportage and other larger Kias with correspondingly more tech. The larger Kias are distinctly average in their reliability scores in many a survey.

Kia offer 7 year warranty not as a measure of their confidence in reliability, but as their competitive gimmick that no one else is offering - all built into the price. You can buy a 2 year warranty extension for a VW Golf for £500, Kia already built the cost in. Hyundai used to offer 7 year warranty and now it is 5 years - did the parent company lose confidence and realise that reliability wouldn't justify it? Not likely, more likely is that they'd pretty much maxed out in sales and bringing Kia in, they needed a hook for selling the Kia in the UK. Not that many people keep a car 7 years these days. Vauxhall's "lifetime warranty" only applied to the first owner, Vauxhall knew that they'd lose out on the odd person that would aim to keep the car 20 years, but most would be shot of the car in 3 to 5 years.

One of the lasses that works for me has a 2012 Sportage and the other week the sunroof jammed open. Unlike most other marques there is no emergency crankable point behind a service cover and so the tech at the Kia garage had to force it shut until a new one could be ordered. The force used to close it creased the roof.

Mine is for delivery at end of December.

Not that I disagree but it is possible for the T&C's of excess mileage to be different on separate deals. Or at least that's my experience with the one leasing company I've used for my past two deals. Those terms aren't set by the resellers (VWFS in this case)

Out of interest what was the delivery time like? I'm not due to change until December but all these recent deals are hard to pass up!

Just need to compare the cost to say vehicle savers where the same car is £391 per month with the same deposit.

Precisely - it's often cheaper to exploit a smaller starting mileage and go over, especially in these deals.

Worth checking though, as some excess mileage isn't quoted VAT inclusive.

A lot of people, below a small, 1.0 litre car , 2 years, 180.000 miles done.
Plenty of cars with even higher mileage, Merc is very popular with people who drive a lot

http://www2.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201606104788414?onesearchad=new%2Cnearlynew%2Cused&sort=default&quicksearch=true&search-target=usedcars&postcode=cv63dy&page=1&make=ford&radius=1500&model=ecosport&logcode=p&adPos=2

Ordered mine today - Second lease car from VWFS in 2 years. Second lease car that will go over mileage.

Those commenting about not owning the car, don't understand the point of leasing, and those who are commenting on the mileage restrictions have never dealt with VWFS!

I do indeed work at a Kia dealer, but let's be realistic here - what percentage of HUKDers are likely to be local, and therefore buy one from me? A fraction of 1% would be my guess.

The only reason I comment is I used to be a VW Service Manager, and I know how bad the cars are, first hand, so like to try and make sure people know some truths, rather than buying based on their inexplicable reputation for quality.

The Kia thing is a total side matter (raised by yourself), but as it happens, in my considerable experience, yes they are better.

I'm not convinced many British people (or American for that matter) would genuinely consider a 90 day period as adequate for reliability purposes. But hey - I don't make or pay for the surveys.

As for Kia, well, I'm sure people are smart enough to form their own opinions, but ought not be swayed by your comments, given you make a living selling them from a franchised dealer. (note: perceived bias, rightly or wrongly)

I presume it's a gauge of how well 'screwed together' the cars are immediately after mass production (almost all cars are mass produced, not just cheap nasty South Korean ones...that was sarcasm to remind the German buyers they are being ripped off), and which brands as a result, suffer the fewest teething problems.

I banged on about the warranty in order to reassure any doubters that the cars are excellent for a long, long time, not just the first 3 months.

No, no, don't mistake me - I said make of it what you will - and sure as heck, you did!

It was nothing to do with Kia's warranty; rather the 90 day period used to assess reliability.

Somewhat lacking, don't you think?

I know, but who also said I only do 5 days a week. Also as a contractor I wouldn't have 5 weeks off and it didn't include all the dad taxi duties also.

When I was a permie there were people who lived in Blackpool and drove to and from Doncaster everyday and someone else from near Swansea to Watford everyday.

Some people who had company cars were changing them after 9 months doing 80k miles on what should have been a 4 year lease.

Lots of people drive long distances now for work purposes.

Yes,let someone else take the initial hit and then you buy it.

Also buy at the right time of year.I purchased my evo on Christmas Eve,that time of year everyone is buying gifts for the family and not many buying cars,plus the car salesmen want to get that Christmas bonus/commission.I had them eating out of my hand,to the point they were pestering me on the phone to buy the car and I was blatantly take the p155 by asking for more off and when they agreed I'd ask for off more again,and then a full tank of fuel and brand new mats,oh and blagged a free model car of an evo that was on sale in the showroom for £25 :smile:

Thanks for your reply. Looking at it from that perspective, if the lease advantage is to be beaten/matched, the trick is possibly to buy nearly new rather than new.

JD Power is the 'benchmark' survey, and I'm sure coming first is no mean feat.

If you are suggesting that they are only good for the first 90 days, perhaps you can tell us how and why Kia back up their cars with 7 years warranty, and pretty much everyone else offers just 3 years (I'd be willing to bet that VW Group would roll back to 1 year, if they could get away with it...).

So, Kia offer 2,556 days warranty - it would be a pretty expensive exercise for them if they were constantly paying for warranty repairs for the other 2,466 days, don't you think?

Example,I purchased my Mitsubishi evo x back in 2009 when the car was less than 1 year old,managed to get it from a dealer at a bargain price and have been driving it around since.I estimate that I have done around 8-9k miles a year and the car has only lost around 7k in value,so the car has cost me around £1k per year to own.Because the car I purchased was a decent car for its time it's still holds its own against brand new models,such as the new focus rs,civic type r and such likes.

Talking of the focus rs,the old model would hold its value for years and some people were effectively getting pretty much free motoring.

As for being ahead of hits game comment I made,my evo had power,features and so on that cars are now only just getting,so the car still fells relatively newish,where as cheaper run of the mill cars will be out of date pretty quick.Another example,mine came with hid lights,where the average car at the time came with candles up front.The deal car is listed with Bluetooth,auto wipers,auto headlights,climate control,again all of which mine came with 8 years ago,and much more.So when it comes to sale time people don't view the car and think it's an old car bacause it's more on par with newer cars,that said I had a brand new seat Ibiza hire car the other day and that still had manual wind up windows in the back,halogen headlights,rubbish stereo and less power than my electric mirrors lol

"The survey of more than 80,000 car buyers found that Kia had the fewest problems in the first 90 days, followed by Porsche, Hyundai, Toyota and BMW."

Make of that, what you will.

I'd be interested to know which vehicle you consider to be "a car that's still going to be ahead of its game a good number of years down the line"? Genuinely - rather than just asking out of sarcasm.

I have been considering leases for a while having bought new for the last 15 years and have used the same argument as you have presented here. But I'm wondering if I have missed a trick in not just factoring in the obvious depreciation but also the less obvious loss of warranty over time, wear and tear, etc.

Good deal for what you get if you want one of these - considerably cheaper than the depreciation you'd suffer with even a generous discount when buying new - gotta be hot for that reason.

​why are they suspended? I was looking to get this from them... are they dodgy?

​Yes, that's me, and sadly for you, it's now factual; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36603772

I haven't ever said they were the best in the World (though as you can see, in some respects they are) but I still maintain that VW Group cars are junk.

So you pay all that money but still don't own the car, I don't understand why anybody leases cars like this... Just wasted money like renting a house or flat... Like I do

People with no life.

Is that the same one that swears that Kia are in fact the best cars in the world, by chance?

Good deals on 340i or m135i etc but the m cars seem to remain pricey. If you're going down the purchase route try coast 2 coast cars. Heavily discounted BMWs although I doubt much on what you want.

Does it come with cupra holders as standard? Ha ha haaaa

144 x 5 days a week, typically 45 weeks of the year = 32,400
The comment I was referring to was I do 25k a year and I know people who do 3 times that distance

My point is who drives 75k per year?

Thanks, nifty website. Lease prices seem a bit brutal on that car presently. Going to investigate PCP deals on both used and new. Unlikely to ever get a an absolute bargain on an M car but if you can shave off a few grand it's worth the effort.

cheaper here by £60, admin fee is only £180 so less to pay up front! https://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/74508/seat/leon/20_tsi_cupra_black_290_5dr.html

A have the new cupra got a deal.cause best friend seat manager £22k brand new got loads extras and engine bay sealed fire ext ...This car beat the Audi R8 round test circuit and many extra are free not like Audi .0

Your presuming everyone wants to own a car for exactly 2 years,buying a car doesn't work out bad if you are going to keep it for a good number of years.

Each to their own and all that,but I prefer to buy a car that's still going to be ahead of its game a good number of years down the line and so there isn't the need to change it every 5 minutes for a new model.

Heat added as it looks like a good deal if lease is what you are after

I think you should think harder when posting if this is your opinion. It's completely comical.

I have 2 leases right now, it works well.

Also your comparison to a renting a flat/house is wrong as well. Everyone needs somewhere to live, not everyone can raise a deposit for a house. The same is true for a car, you might need a car to get to work and not be able to afford the initial outlay or ongoing maintenance. In that situation a lease with a set monthly cost is a great alternative if you consider all the facts.

Sure. Opinion is not fact, is it?

5615 at central leasing hope it helps someone

I work 32 miles from home. I do around 16k a year. I think average these days to the working person is around 10-12k.
If the mileage allowance was higher then it would be worth it.

I don't vote it hot but I won't vote it cold either.

Shame that you're wrong. :man:

I do 144 mile round trip every day to work. Another 50 a day isn't unfeasible if you are a sales rep IMO. Granted not many people would do that.

5000 miles is a joke, it's just 13 miles a day.
It's cheaper to get a bike, I do 25k a year and I know people who do 3 times that distance.
Not worth the money, 56p for each mile you do is not a good deal.

Seats look comfy:

Depends if you plan to keep the car for the life of the car (20 years +)? Some people dont need to buy a new car every 3 to 5 years to keep in touch with the neighbours...

Is the website even legit? looks a bit shady to me :man:

What car requires tax that's more than £2.5k?

Sounds like a lot of motor for the price

Yes like the other poster said the electronics are dodgy :stuck_out_tongue:

Ah yes, lease cars suddenly stop working once you hit that mileage allowance. :confused:

All I know is that I drive one of these regularly and it scares the hell out of me acceleration wise. Maybe im getting old.

If you are considering MPG cost implications then you are in the wrong business with this car! It's just interesting to see people who may put it forward as a value proposition. I mean it's quite exciting, but just a luxury too far. I almost want one.

karlie88 I'd like to thank you for adding actuall cost per month after deposit that is :"Equivalent to £236/month all-in."
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In that case Karlie have some heat :man:

I thought the Golf R deal last year was this sort of money but I was wrong! When my VXR goes back (not until Oct next year) i'm going to be looking for 300+bhp. In fact a stonking deal on an RS4 would go down a treat :smile:

​Quite the opposite, you'd think.

More power generally means less MPG, so you wouldn't really want one of these on a 15k pa lease, hooning it up and down the motorways.

​because if you have a faster car, it doesn't mean you'll drive further.

I've gone for the dsg and added rear camera on 1+23 283 a month

Why do people get so caught up on the mileage limit? You don't have to stop driving it once you hit 5k if you go over you pay pence per mile at the end of the term of the contract. You just budget for that if you look like you are going over and you are only paying for what you use as opposed for paying for a higher set mileage you might not ever use.

I don't vote hot on the leases with big deposits so no vote from me on this one plus i'd got for the Golf R at this price range, anything 1+23 though and instant heat from me.

Great deal! Lovely cars to drive as well; not got quite the "luxury" plastics of the Golf interior, but not much in it. Brilliant R alternative if you can't wait again.

It's a lot of money to fork out for (mileage) limited enjoyment.

Works out at approx. 57p per mile (without the fuel and insurance added)

Probably due to a lot of people not needing more than 5k miles.

I only do around 3-4K myself.

Test drove the estate version recently. Superb bit of kit. Depreciation is quite high so leasing at this price is a pretty good option although 5k miles wont get you very far.

7.2p mileage excess. It's not a big deal going over the 6k per year.

Gap insurance is a good idea too.

But sadly also minus the mechanical and electronics reliability.

Very well but the given mileage of 5,000 is significantly below average, I do not think it's a hot deal.

I'm just curious as to why such a deal/price point is not viewed in the same way as the fastest broadband advertised with a minimal usage allowance.

Honestly a great hot hatch. If you have one with the sticky tyres and DSG it's easily a match for the 2015 Civic Type R. It's got masses of grip and an immense chassis, minus the comedy halfords-esque body kit of the fugly Honda.

​I think you need to resit your math exams

290hp fwd with 5k limit. What a waste of money.

Lovely motor!

He is 100% right. It's rule number 1 in finance 101

Looks like a nice car but the C1 deal was quite a bit cheaper.

Awesome deal! This is for the black edition to with the bucket seats and the 19" rims. Will place an order for a Dynamic Grey one tomorrow! Thanks

we have one through work and insurance is included,all we have ot buy is fuel.
we get it taken pre stopapages but they done have cars like this,only more eco ones.

Nothing cheap. 'Contract hire and leasing ' site will give you all the deals if you are willing to put in the work with the mouse. I'm on mobile but can put a link n later if you can't find the site.

Nice looking car 5k pa is a great tempter on price, (to get you clicking link on price) then for most who average 10-12k it's just doesn't work on math.

​I disagree but just my opinion

Was about to order the golf r until I saw this now I can't decide!

Is hhis black version the better deal. https://www.centralukvehicleleasing.co.uk/vehicle/choose_your_lease/74509/seat/leon/20_tsi_cupra_black_290_5dr_dsg.html

£6501 for 10k miles... but only £702 ontop of the £5674 if you do an extra 5k miles over the term. Is this correct?

Great monthly price for a car with 290bhp.

Do u have to get your own insurance for deals like this??? thanks

Cheaper to go for the 5k pa option and pay the excess mileage. Granted, it's only £20 cheaper...

A lot of power for the money but I just don't like the look of them.... prefer the look of the older Leon Cupra. Not fierce enough.

There is an 8k deal for £255.40/month all-in

Great car although many will cite the 10hp/4wd deficiency to a Golf R

Great deal!
I'm paying this for a 184 FR Tech albeit with 8k miles/yr