No it doesn't.

These prices are silly. I've recently bought a GTX 970 used around 4 months ago, I thought I'd sell it and pick up a 1070 but I'd still have to pay £250+ on top for a decent branded card :neutral_face:

That's silly money, I'd expect the 1080 to be this much, not a non TI 1070!

Cheapest around, but nearly £400 for a 1070 is still too much money. nVidia being greedy with their Pascal cards.

Sorry I accidentally voted this cold when in fact its actually a pretty sweet deal.

I don't like Ebuyer personally and I have one of the Zotac versions coming in a couple of days but otherwise this would be tempting.

I just don't like their free delivery policy, it seems they try to make it as inconvenient as possible just so that you will pay the extra and I've had problems with their customer service people in the past.

Cooler looks like the one off the 980 Jetstream and that is a superb cooler.

Huge cooler though.

Cheapest around, but nearly £400 for a 1070 is still too much money. nVidia being greedy with their Pascal cards.

I think it's lukewarm personally, as these are sure to drop further within weeks (no further major political screw-ups notwithstanding), but I gave it a Hot to balance you out! :wink:

yes prices always drop.... but this is best price today

ordered thanks. sick of waiting. will upgrade wheb 1080ti arrives too

​Im not happy tho lol. Waited since july 2015!! You know my current GPU? a blasted GTX 260 :confused:

I recently just bought the super jet stream edition of the card, it is huge! Awesome cooler, and super silent will recommended, similar cards.

Not mad on Palit. Always seen a lot of their cards DOA. Considering the Zotac AMP is £11 more at overclockers I would go for that instead it's a no brainer. It has higher boost clocks and a much much longer warranty....

cold, its palit

Brand of the card doesn't tell you what OC you'll get. You could buy an ASUS or a Gigabyte or an MSI and still get a **** overclock. You could buy a Palit and get a great one.

I find I sometimes get next day deliver for no extra charge myself.

or get a 480 for almost half the price which performs 5% slower in Vulkan :smile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_games_with_Vulkan_support

3 lol :laughing::laughing::laughing:

Doom
Dota 2
The Talos Principle

​Palit owns Gainward and Zotac.

i wont be surprised if there is a Vulkan patch for Battlefield 1

970 started out sub 300 i'm sure. So it looks like they've raised their prices. So 1070 is not as good value for money

yeah probably right, i think the rx480 @ sub 200 is excellent

Rise of the Tomb Raider appears to do well with the DX12 patch and AMD cards. Performs a little better than GTX980 in that game.

Remember, 1060 releases in 2 days. Just sayin

I wouldn't recommend reference 480's personally. Custom ones will definitely be worth the extra money. For example the sapphire nitro is available for pre-order £250 from OCuk ...although still wait for benchmarks IMO :smiley:

I also have a GTX 260 in my system... also intend to finally upgrade this year, though I am keeping the rest of my x58 system, which now has a sweet Xeon at the core. The 1070 does seem like the best option, though I am tempted to wait a few more months for the RX490, which should at least make nVidia revise its pricing.

Good price but the release of new games right now is the slowest I've ever known it!

yeh im probably going to go for the 480 over the 1060, seems like it is more future proofed
its a tough decision tho

They've never given me that.

Wow, why so hot? Certain this has been around for a good few weeks. Am I missing something on how hotukdeals works? Anyway, just in case people weren't already, possible 2% cashback with quidco (brings it's down to ~£380). Does anyone know the disadvantages of buying this and simply overclocking it to the Premium Edition clocks. Do you lose your warranty?

You are right, heck if the RX480 looked like this GPU, I would purchase it! I purchased for two reason:
- Frustrating/Impatience (or patience, if you think about it lol)
- Style matches my build.

My PC is white/blue/black. I don't even want a Palit, I actually wanted the KFA2 HoF 1080 in WHITE, but that's got no release date, and since it's almost August, I gave up. I'll stick with this overpriced card and sell it in time for a board partner 1080ti, so I think I'll be sticking with this card right up until August of next year xD

Palit own Gainward I know but not Zotac. PCPartner own Zotac. But I'm failing to see the relevance of your comment to mine. Tata owns Jaguar. Doesn't mean I want to buy a Tata Nano because a subsidiary makes the F Type.

The Zotac is still a better buy for the extra £11. 51mhz more boost clock and 3 years more warranty.

Palit cards are, and have been for the last 3/4 years, a top 3 brand card. Along with EVGA they are the most reliable cards money can buy, unfortunately UK support is poor as too their website and 3rd party software.

EDIT - personally I think Palit have shot themselves in the foot with the colour scheme on this one. Still, it is a very good card.

Stock in distribution on 1070's and 1080's is practically dry so overall these are in for a dry spell and price bump in the short term.

Overpriced. This is well above the price they were announced at and above the 970 prices at launch.

These prices are silly. I've recently bought a GTX 970 used around 4 months ago, I thought I'd sell it and pick up a 1070 but I'd still have to pay £250+ on top for a decent branded card :neutral_face:

That's silly money, I'd expect the 1080 to be this much, not a non TI 1070!

You could sell and get a 1060 but your probably best going down the used route and getting a 980ti

Nvidia will not be revising their pricing. The greed is extremely strong with them and outweighs pretty much everything else for them as a company.

Why are these cards so expensive nowadays? I'm sure a few years ago the top end cards were like £300.

compared to the one you talking about, this must be 10 times more powerful.
I still got my £500 ati 9700 pro purchased back in 2002, is your for £10, let me know

Lol get on with the time mate. Next 10 years your current product would be antique.

Except they weren't 300... Many cards were 500 back then, and if you include inflation, it puts today's cards at a better overall price.

even the latest titan was over £1000 I think when it came out. I would say that they are very but very relatively cheap now days if we make comparisons in the right proportions and even with inflations they have actually gone down in price. In 2002 this card would have cost not less than a million if it would have been possible to produce,lol

DX12 is very similar and soon all the new AAA titles will be using either one.

Not even considering like-for-like...

Simply looking at the top end of the cards, the value section, etc.

Prices are lower, options are better.

I do think the prices of these cards will drop £20-£30 once stock is better. You can pre-order stuff like the Zotac Amp Extreme for £410 on amazon (supplied by themselves), when it is in stock elsewhere for £430 suggesting there is still price gouging going on from retailers. Especially when Amazon is rarely the cheapest for this sort of thing.

Give it another month and supply issues should be resolved, cards should flood the market and I think we'll see a small drop to make these a bit more realistic. In the meantime this is the 2nd fastest card you can buy in the world today and stock is limited, so why are you surprised at the price?

Just a heads up, I have the plait super jetstream edition, playing Doom yesterday it crashed then I could not get a signal what so ever on my monitor with my card in the pc, managed to fix it worked fine for a few hours, crashed on Doom again blank screen yet again. Seemed like a great card as well, other people are having the same problems.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-3123229/black-screen-signal-monitor-gtx-1070.html#18291477

Just keep that in mind

Funny because people were saying the same thing last month.

been running this very card for a couple of weeks, no issues whatsoever and plays BF1 Alpha/Doom or anything else maxed out with great FPS

can't hear it and never gets hot

My 970 runs games like Witcher 3, dirt rally, fallout 4, battlefield 4, GTA 5 etc maxed out at 4K on a 60hz panel. AA is not needed at this resolution and with a 60hz panel, thus releasing system resources.
I read many magazine articles articles about what hardware is needed to run 4K games and they make me laugh. Maybe I've just been lucky but my mis range gaming PC easily runs new games at 4K and maxed out. I couldn't quite max out rise of the tomb raider. I've read how hard crysis 3 is to run at high resolution. Well my system runs it maxed out at 4K no bother.
I really think that people are being conned into thinking that only super powered PC will run games at very high resolution. It's nonsense. I'm going to get people saying my system can't run games at 4K on on 60hz panel. Well how many of you who will say that have actually tried to do it with your 970?

Stock was never going to improve for this month though. It was August that I had been hearing the situation would improve enough for TSMC (who actually make the chips)

even my 6950 does do that but strangely to run C3 truly maxed out at 60fps minimum would take not less that the power of 3x gtx1080 combined @100%scaling. Got no idea how do you max it out with 1x970 I cannot at all with 970sli

I upgraded from a 970, it's night and day, you may not accept it but it's true

yee, he is still trying to keep his dead card alive,lol

No it doesn't.

All I know is that the launch of these cards has been a complete mess so far and it's unfortunate that rather than try to sort out that mess, Nvidia opted to focus on releasing the 1060 and essentially just made a bad situation even worse.

what psu have you got?

Cool master GX 750w

poor brand poor retailer might aswell go all out

here you go :smile:

The 1070 and 1080 replace the 970 and 980, respectively.
At launch in the UK, the 970 and 980 were priced at £259 and £429. Source
Before that, the GTX 770 was £329 and the GTX 780 was £549.
Going even further back to 2012, the GTX 670 was £329 and the 680 was £429.

We now have the 1070 currently costing £380 and higher, and the 1080 from £600. Inflation has averaged less than 2% a year over the period 2012 to 2016, which should add approximately £8 to the price over that period.

As direct replacements for the 970 and 980, the current prices are ridiculous and unjustified, and I expect are an example of nVidia taking advantage of the fact that there are currently no current gen competitors to these cards... the main competitors are the 970 and 980Ti.

We will be in for more of a shock when the 1080Ti launches, and we have to hope that the RX490 can pose some real competition to either force nVidia to reduce prices on their current cards or to provide a viable alternative at a better price.

Are you really comparing a Titan to a 1070 and 1080? They are completely different cards... why not argue that a 1080 is an absolute bargain at £600 because a Tesla P100 costs over £4200!!!

See my last post regarding inflation.

I don't even know where to start on your comment about if the current generation of cards were available in 2002... they probably "would have cost not less than a million" because you would also have to factor in the cost of a DeLorean and flux capacitor!

If people continue to blindly accept nVidia price gouging, then they will continue to do it.

The RRP of the 1070 Founders Edition is £399, and the non FE cards were meant to be around 15% cheaper (they were originally expected to start at around £330).

what a useless comment, understand the meaning first of all

No it doesn't, unless you mean 60Hz screen but the game running at 20-24 fps which is what I just measured in GTAV at 4K on my 970 SSC with all settings maxed and AA off.

I have read your post several times, and trying to understand the meaning is a challenge in itself... "I would say that they are very but very relatively cheap now days if we make comparisons in the right proportions"... really, it is not easy to understand!!!

Agreed, the prices reflect the lack of any real competition for nvidia right now in this sector. To me, no 1070 card will be a deal until it's down around the £300-320 range.

I'm gonna vote with my wallet and keep my 970 since it's enough for 1080p gaming.

only a question just to verify that I might be wrong:
what does make the titan a gpu that cannot be compared with the 1070 or 1080 gtx or vice versa

I'm comparing a 980 ti to the 1080. They are top of the line cards.

The 1080 crushes the 980 ti, without question.

When the 980 was released, it did not crush the 780 ti as the 1080 did compared to the 980 ti.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980/26.html

You can see here, the 980 compared to the 780 ti was a 6% performance change.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/26.html

As you can see here, the 1080 is over 25-35% higher (Depending if which way you compare 980 ti / 1080 or 1080 / 980 ti).

This jump is massive. The 1080 crushes the 980 ti and replaces it completely.

The GTX 780 ti launched at $699 (599 UK).

The 690 launched at $1000 (899 UK).

Just because you refuse to compare the 1080 to the top of the line doesn't make your point of card comparison valid.

The top of the line, with a huge performance boost, can be compared to previous generations.

And this isn't even considering the AMD 295x, the Titan, the Titan X... Those are way more spendy.

And if you factor inflation into pricing, it's not even close.

You clearly don't understand how inflation works.


Give google a try, but your '8 quid more' is a farce, even if you *only calculated 2% inflation a single time!*. 2% of 600 is 12!.

Most calculations suggest 600 in 2012 is now 660 in 2016.

When making comparisons between each generation of cards, which is what we are doing here while discussing the pricing of the 1070 and 1080 cards, you need to compare apples to apples, which means that you should compare the current card with the one it directly replaces.

The rank order of nVidia cards is: Quadro > Titan > x80Ti > x80 > x70 > x60....

Although I mentioned the Tesla earlier, this is actually used for number crunching, not graphics, so I have omitted it here (I should have said Quadro before).

The Quadro is the most powerful and expensive nVidia graphics card, and is targeted for professional applications.
The Titan is a cutdown version of the Quadro, though I am not sure who would want one... after nVidia cut the double-precision (DP) CUDA cores in the Titan X, it falls way short of the Quadro for compute power, and it is no faster for gaming than a Ti model.

The top gaming card is the Ti model... the 1080Ti has not been release yet, so the current card at this level is still the 980Ti. Next down is the 1080, which replaces the 980; and then the 1070 replaces the 970. The 1060 will be released shortly, which replaces the 960.

So back to the original question, "what does make the titan a gpu that cannot be compared with the 1070 or 1080 gtx". In short, they are different products. Saying that the 1070 and 1080 are acceptable in price because they are cheaper than last year's Titan is not a fair comparison... I'm not sure if this is a good analogy, but let me put it in car terms (with some made up numbers)... the entry level Ford Focus was £15000 last year, but this year's entry level model is £25000, but that's OK, because it is still cheaper than last year's top of the range Ford Focus RS that was £35000... no, that's not OK, and does not justify a £10000 price increase on the entry level model... the entry level model and top of the line models are not equal!!!

First up, yes I made a mistake with my inflation number... apologies for that. I was looking up the numbers based on percentage, then made a careless error when I switched to talking pounds. From 2012 to 2016, inflation is around 8% in total.

With every new model, I expect it to crush the previous generation... that is progress! The 1080 should be more powerful than the 980Ti and 980, and the 1070 should be more powerful than the 980 and 970, otherwise there is little motivation to get the newer products over the outgoing products (that are now reduced in price). Year on year, technology should get more powerful, but advances should also yield cost savings, as die sizes shrink and efficiency is realised. Therefore, I expect a comparable price between the 970 and 1070, and comparable prices for the 980 and 1080. Inflation has been very low since the 970 and 980 launched in 2014, so that should not have a big impact on price.

The 980 may have been only a little faster than the 780Ti, but the launch price was £170 cheaper, so this was a good deal (though maybe not very compelling for 780Ti owners).

The 690 was much more expensive, but that was a dual GPU card, it cost more than two 680 cards and was slower, and was generally rejected by the market.

The 980Ti was £550 (which is comparable in price to the 780Ti that it replaced), which is lower than the current 1080 pricing... we still have the 1080Ti to come. By accepting a price of £600 for the 1080, we are inviting nVidia to charge £800 for the 1080Ti, which I think is outrageous for a single-core consumer graphics card.

When nVidia first announced the 1070, they said the FE would be $450, which included a price premium of $70, and non-FE cards would be $380, which is comparable to the launch prices of the 670 and 770 cards (though still more than the 970). At current prices, the 1070 is £50 more expensive than it should be.

You are still off on inflation. You are not counting compound interest for starters, and you are making an assumption that it has been a 'steady' 2%.

We can see inflation rates between 2012 and 2016 at around 10% total, once you calculate it with both compound and variable interest rates. Please, don't just insert numbers like 'about 2%' and come to a conclusion based on that.

Anyway, even considering the GTX 680, which was not a 'great' card in the grand scheme of things, it was still $500 at launch, which is around 530-550 with inflation (depends on which inflation rate you chose). I think it's not really the point. It's close.

The 1080 absolutely replaces the 980 ti. To suggest otherwise is to be dishonest. The 280 didn't have a TI, the 480 didn't have a TI, the 580 didn't have a TI, and the 680 didn't have a TI.

The 980 TI was the first time we've seen NVIDIA re-release the top end card, and that was out of concern that AMD took the crown away with the 290x/390x being pushed ahead.

There is comparable, launch, prices between the 970/980 and the 1070 and the 980ti and the 1080.

There are simply 2 cards that used to take up the spot of 3 cards.

Unless you want to adjust the cards something like this:

1060 = 970
1070 = 980
1080 = 980 ti

Having a ti version is confusing, especially when the 980 versus the 980ti were quite drastically different.

My point about inflation is that it does not justify the change in price from the 970 at £259 to the current 1070 priced at £380... I don't want to get into a debate over the exact figures or the effects of compounded inflation when the rate has been below 2% since the start of 2014.

I continue to believe that the 1080 replaces the 980, and the 1070 replaces the 970, and we are yet to see the 1080Ti (which I expect to launch next year).

The 970 and 980 were both GM204 chips, and the 980Ti was a GM200. The 1070 and 1080 both use the GP104 chip; and there is lots of evidence out there that there is a GP102 chip that will be used for the 1080Ti and the next Titan.

The more powerful Ti versions may be a more recent development, including the 780Ti and 980Ti, but I think it will continue with Pascal. Prior to this, dual GPU cards appear to have been the trend, including the 295, 590 and 690.

Even aside from the comparisons of one generation to the next, nVidia has stated that the 1070 FE should be $450 and non-FE cards would be available at $380. At current prices, the 1070 is around £50 more expensive than it should be. The prices are currently inflated due to lack of competition and supply/demand... we need AMD to launch the RX490, and buyers need to stop buying at the current inflated prices and wait for an adjustment. I will probably buy a 1070 at some point, but not until the prices are significantly closer to £300.