I have enquired at John Lewis and they confirmed the white version is dual sim.

I got one of these this week and can tell you it's surprised me. Very fluid and fast, great build and camera with superb battery life. Really impressed but best to turn on developer options and make animations to x0.5 as it speeds up menus. Fab phone

I can defo say the G4 is a great phone. Had the 2nd and 3rd gen and now this. Screen is so much better.Battery life is amazing Im using it as a 3G hotspot camping and it lasts all day.

Sorry, but it is a 5.5". The plus version is the same size, just a couple of other extra features, fingerprint scanner and better camera, can also come with bigger RAM if want.

Is this better than su6?
Thanks in advance.

No idea, what that is. What swung this one for me was a combination of price, good battery life, optional fast charger which I have purchased at £25, allowing a 6 hour charge in 15 minutes!!! and DUAL SIM which is awesome so I dont have to carry an additional business phone. I guess you need to look at the spec and what you need!

one of these or a Chinese phone? seems to be a good choice of them on here

This is NOT a 5.5" phone. Only 4G Plus version is 5.5". Check it out at motorola's own website

Twitch.

I can defo say the G4 is a great phone. Had the 2nd and 3rd gen and now this. Screen is so much better.Battery life is amazing Im using it as a 3G hotspot camping and it lasts all day.

will this work?
http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/content/which-promotion

You can Flubit the Amazon link at £159 to be get it for around £144-145 delivered

Check out Flubit if you havent used it before - I've used Flubit a couple of times and the items come straight from Amazon! but at at cheaper price

This or galaxy s5?

This or the LG Nexus 5X? It's an extra £30 but a much newer handset...

Seems a bit expensive compared to how the original moto G was priced and to the equally capable and often £100 priced SU6. No doubt tesco or asda will come out with some sort of £125 deal. Maybe the camera is slightly better than the su6, this also has a gyroscope for you cardboard fans, no NFC though unlike SU6. Smart ultra 7 looks like a step backwards, as many feared with its crap battery life, somehow poorer screen and camera and dodgy mediatek chipset.

Would recommend this phone, I have the plus version but if you have no need for better camera this is ideal. Can't fault it yet, only thing missing for some people is NFC and android pay. Top phone was considering S6 saved a lot of dosh without loosing any significant functionality that I would miss. Hot deal, great find!

Does it come with ads?

The new Moto G4 may seem expensive but its much faster than previous models - Twice as fast as last year even the 2gb version... Check the Geekbench score

Ads are not included.

Managed to get this for £126 at debenhams. Upgrading from an SU6. Do you guys think it's worth the change? Was interested in extra cores, marshmallow, future upgrades, 5ghz wireless, tougher screen, better camera etc.

I wonder will it be cheaper on Prime Day...

how?

Yes it will be worth it for most of those reasons, especially where software upgrades are concerned. I'm not sure what you mean by extra cores? The SD617 SOC is only slightly different to the SD615 SOC in the SU6, both utilise octa-core A53 CPU's.

Looking for a good android phone with a smaller screen, any suggestions?

I keep looking for a 'smaller' phone,5 inches is now smallish I think. I keep looking at the Sony z5 compact,there's a deal on this site,I was looking earlier. Seems to have a good write up. Let me know if you find anything else better!

Is it dual sim? that sentence on the selected regions sounds a bit odd to me. Thanks All. A

http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/sony-xperia-z5-compact-payg-vodafone-259-after-bundle-top-up-2472731

The link for the Sony z5 compact.

Is it dual sim, that sentence on the selected regions sounds a bit odd to me. Thanks All. A

this or the X Play?

There's a few reference's to SU6 on here?.

I initially thought Samsung S6?, but the £100 referenced for the SU6 made me doubtful otherwise?, lol.

So, anyone, what Phone is the SU6?, thanx. :-)

thanks for reply. for some reason i thought the SU6 was quad core! it's starting to get a big laggy but may need a reset, fancied a change anyway, had the SU6 for about a year now.

I am in the same boat. I bought a Moto X Play and am struggling to get to grips with the size of it. The Moto G is a bit bigger still. I thought 5" was too big when I bought my Moto G Gen 2 but got used to it. I have a feeling I am going to struggle with the 5.5" though. The Z5 compact but I want dual SIM. The Moto X can be sent back as it's from Amazon.... pondering.

Great phone. I've moved from an iphone 5s to this. The screen size is fantastic, and the thing is QUICK !! And no bloat. For the price you'll struggle to get a better phone.

I've been looking at buying either this or a honor 7. Does anybody know what phone would be better to get?

Vodafone Smart Ultra 6 :smiley:

Camera might make it more worthwhile. Can't see advantage of 5ghz on a phone, has poorer signal penetration compared to 2.4. might suffer from less interference though, not like you'll be viewing 4k content. Also has no NFC, so no android pay. Not seen camera but might be better and you get marshmallow. I went from a SU6 to a 5x as mine broke, doesn't feel like an upgrade, especially poor battery life.

This or LG G3?

Incorrect. The only Moto G4 thats NOT 5.5 is the Moto G4 Play.

I'm looking for something under £100 really. Might go for a 3rd gen Moto G refurb.

SU6?

​Redmi note 3 pro mate. I'm amazed how good they are. 4g is hit and miss on some networks but the speed of the phone more than makes up for it and browsing seems lightning quick.

Guys my Vodafone ultra 6 had to go back as it became faulty, must admitt apart from the reliablty issues off the ultra 6 thought it was a superb phone for the money. question is .. worth going a bit extra for this Moto G4 or give the ultra 6 another try ?

No good for the little lady's little hands.

The biggest deal with the Moto G series IMHO is that you have stock Android with guaranteed updates for at least 2 years. This one even leaves the gate with Marshmallow.

With 30 quid extra you're within touching distance of the 4G plus..which comes with a fingerprint scanner.

:smile:

I was trying to work out the differences.

X Play has over G4 : Moto voice control, NFC, slightly smaller, compass, bigger battery
G has over the X Play : gyroscope, BDS satellite, dual SIM (X Play is only dual SIM on French model, UK model = single SIM)

Good but just bought the Honor 7 :/

is it worth upgrading from 3rd edition?

This! I'm swapping my g3 for it, poor battery life and it lags after a few months of use... Plus I want oem android

Wileyfox Swift ..... ? 5 inch screen, 16GB Memory / 2GB ROM. 13MP camera, white one was on offer via Amazon at £99 recently, and might still be. I got one for the Mrs and she loves it.

Really tempted to get 5x over this. Beast processor and better camera compared to this. Only downside is the storage

I got one of these this week and can tell you it's surprised me. Very fluid and fast, great build and camera with superb battery life. Really impressed but best to turn on developer options and make animations to x0.5 as it speeds up menus. Fab phone

I have the Moto X Play 16GB/2GB dual sim and have just got the Moto G4 Plus 32GB/2GB dual SIM (and previously Moto 1st Gen, Moto 2nd Gen)
The X Play and G4 Plus seem to perform almost identically when opening apps, webpages, voice searches - there's nothing between them. Overall performance seems very close, battery life is not yet determined as I'm not yet using the G4 Plus day to day but it's been running without any SIMs in it since 11am 30th June and battery says 72% remains so I'm hoping the 3000mAh battery will be as good, or close to the excellent Moto X Play which has a 3600mAh if I recall.

Screen quality is near identical but the X Play is whiter, the G4 Plus is more yellowish when the 2 are side by side. Case wise the X Play is slightly smaller height wise by a few mm.

The fingerprint scanner is great, really good to press to quickly unlock the phone, that feature is probably going to make me move over to the phone from the X Play.... I thought it was a gimmick but one handed simple unlock is great.

Turbo charger is included with G4 Plus, it's not with the X Play.

I've just got this cheapo S Line case and glass protector, case is ok and glass went on nicely without bubbles and lines up pretty well, for the price is good. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272136885359?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&var=571082973303&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

The reason I have the G4 Plus is that my company bought it for me as I've been using my own X play dual SIM.

I'd say if you have the 3rd gen it may not be worth the upgrade but having had the 2nd gen, I'd say go for it (I wasn't impressed with my dual sim 2nd gen)

You may want to look at the Honor 5c its £149 out in 2 weeks from Amazon. similar specs but 5.2 screen and £149... also direct from Honor... its got a fast processor i think

Now they're owned by Lenovo does this come with spyware?

yAWWWWN, Just sell **** tablets instead.So sick of these huge phones made for olafs with banana fingers.

Is this the latest model that has just been released..

Hot, though I want a notification LED on my next phone (probably heading down the OnePlus route).

I have an LG G4 at the moment but has a few issues...is this comparable?

Does the 5x have better camera and performance? Despite what specs say is the moto g better?

:disappointed:

Real men have big hands and have trouble typing on tiny on screen keyboards!

only in white?
that's for the ladies

Does the John Lewis one have dual sim capability?

Also interested in having NFC. Anyone know the best deal for the Plus version which I've read in the comments above does have NFC?

Thanks in advance :smiley:

What if it's a woman?

​ The moto 4g is actually the newer handset, only came out a couple of weeks ago iirc

"G4" not "4G" :smile:

terrible color , obtrusive size , such a fail as original moto g was great phone.

​That's what I was just thinking. its like a tablet. Sometimes its nice to just put the phone in your pocket. I've got the moto 2 gen. Was waiting for the new one and disappointed. I liked the moto g for its size and lenovo really should have thought more about the fact that many people liked the convenient size. not another phablet type thing. Now got to pay out much more for a smaller screen.

http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/51096577/honor-51096577-smartphone

Sorry to change the moto subject. this looks like a good phone

For those thinking about the Nexus 5x, go in to car phone warehouse and have a look at the screen. To me it always looked a bit washed out and you have to turn the brightness up to near max. A pity because it has better specs and above all else a finger print scanner which I really miss after my iphone 6.

I have had the moto x play for a while now and it is excellent. This is pretty much the same phone so I would say this is a great deal.

Regarding the large screen size. I went from an iPhone with a 4.7 inch screen. The 5.5 took a few days to adjust to but I would never go back to a smaller phone now.

For the money this is a great phone although if you good stretch to £300 or so the oneplus 3 is a no brainer and probably my next phone.

I have a G2 Moto G and it's great, got it for £96, but this one looks so much better specced. The camera on the older versions is exceedingly average to be kind, not to mention the much improved screen and processor. If I needed a replacement I would happily pay the extra £50

http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/sm4327ae7b1/2/motorola-sm4327ae7b12-moto-g-smartphone

on the same site. there's the moto 3 smaller size. Same price though for the new one

This or Sony z3c for 150? Main difference I can see is nfc and release date- 09/14 vs 05/16. Can anyone advise?

The G4 Plus does NOT have NFC, well mine doesn't anyway! - I have the Moto X Play which does have NFC and the G4 Plus doesn't have any options in menus for NFC or Android Beam. A review

Have you tried these two in store? the z3c is short and chunky while the moto g4 is long thin and fairly wide.. It could come down to be a usability issue (handling , and more viewing space).

Camera wise I cant comment but the z3c was a solid performer when released.. If youre not fussed about night time shots both should do fine.

Android wise, if you arent bothered about an older or skinned version of android then fine.

As far as versus goes, you can start piling it up.. Lg G4's can be had at 180-190 as grade b used , lg 5x's at 180 for the smaller version (but they haver their own issues) Samsung S6's at 200 but without sd card etc. I get that these are slightly more expensive but it comes down to bang for the "buck" as they say.

I recommend you go to store and at least see how each feels..
Hope it helps

Just found that on my G4 Plus that both SIMs are 3G at the same time or 3G and 4G....not sure if the same applies to this G4 version - now this may be very useful to those with a Three network SIM because nearly all dual SIM phones are only capable of 3G/4G on one SIM card and the other is 2G only meaning a Three SIM won't work as 2G SIM. I feel this is a massive step forward for anyone who uses dual SIM phones.

I think its the white version only that is dual sim... Amazon was dual sim white but black is single sim

I maybe wrong but white seems dual sim

yep. my honor holly was only 2g on second sim so Three network didnt work in that slot! and 2g is too slow for anything apart from a tiny whatsapp message!

Anyone know which high street stores have Moto g4?

None in carphone w h yet

The Moto G's primary markets are Brazil / Latin America / India, and launch there first. Considering the lower income of those people, they tend to purchase a single, larger device to use as phone and computer. Hence why these phones are the size they are - and will continue to remain large.

NOT WATERPOOF LIKE THE MOTO 3G ! Screen toooo BIG, Cold cold cold cold. Just buy a Moto 3G, great phone coz let's face it, buying these types of phone means you want to be a skinflint and can't afford a s7 or iphone so save you money and get the 3G, no one cares if you have a 4g version, you still won't be cool!!!

One of the pros for me is Big Screen, I am pretty much Anti Apple. Cool is not on my criteria list at all, that is for sheep! I prefer Un Cool :-)

If it's a woman with big hands I'd be suspicious :smile:

Possibly Argos

I have enquired at John Lewis and they confirmed the white version is dual sim.

my local tesco (mobile) has plenty on display

Add this for 49p to your order to qualify for the Which deal in the OP
http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/filter-901001/baumatic-filter-901001-hood-filter

Brilliant :-)

I bought this on the last deal, for the money it's a very nice phone. I replaced my old s4

you're on a deals site...that offers free stuff. cool or not if i can save money (and not follow the icannotbeseenwithandoutdateiphone crowd), who are you to question what i choose to buy and have money left over! just because you can buy an iphone, doesn't mean you can afford one

did you know that apple watches sell for £8k-->14k, they don't sell them in their shops, but in high end retailers as they want people that can actually afford them instead of those that can only pay on a monthly basis

The appeal of Veblen goods lies in their exclusive nature, their “snob appeal.” They are desired mostly because the hoi polloi (that's us common folk) can’t afford them. The higher the price, the less accessible they become to the mass market. Owning a Veblen product sends an unmistakable message: “I’m richer than you.”...whereas having and iPhone "i'm likely to have more debts than you".

wrong.

cheers mate! i can pop into tesco and check out the size

​especially if they're extremely hairy...

Where can this be bought on the high street? JL web site doesn't have it listed so I'm not sure whether you would find it in store.

My mistake, it is there!

Lookinh through review on youtube and it said the handset has heating issues just 5 mins of continues usage. Any feedback on this?

Mines been fine and I use it all the time for games etc

What a cocksnogger. If you are one of the sheep that believe your 'coolness' is judged by a gadget, then you are truly a wilf.

​I've just received this phone from Amazon and it's not dual sim. not a feature I would use but I was under the impression it was dual sim, also

​john lewis have it on display in store but not in stock. they say they can order in for collection. Argos also have it online for click and collect but none in store. it seems unavailable in store yet. I've checked Argos, curry's, john lewis, carphone warehouse and all the network provider stores

I've reserved one for collection at 4pm today from Argos. Argos/Homebase Brentford and Leatherhead have stock available if your close

​ you bought the black one right? Seems the white one is dual sim

Does this have a decent camera? I'm in desperate need of a new phone with a decent camera

You think he's a "woman I'd like to f.....?!!"

If you're of slightly older vintage, it's more the Mike Read type of wilf.

Bought this fro £129 today.

​Where?

I bought 2 from JL. 1 black and 1 white the white was dual sim, The black 1 was not. Go figure

White is now out of stock. Tried to order the black but it wasn't allowing me to confirm payment? Also standard delivery was coming up as £4.95

​i did get black. how odd. no reviewers had mentioned that

​camera isn't incredible. I've gone from z3 compact to Moto g4 and the g4 cam isn't that sharp in comparison. obviously the MP count is lower. check out reviews though, they give a lot more detail

Why expired? It seems to still work.

Have you just ordered one? When I go to order and enter my bank details it reloads the page but nothing happens. No order confirmation and no money taken

That happened to me earlier in the day too so I just ordered over the phone. I could still use the Which? discount code too. There seems to be an issue with their online system rather than the deal not being available.

same here. i had to pay with paypal so additional £2.

I guess it's time to get a new laptop when a phone is released that's more powerful :confused:..

Comparing this to my Honor 4x it looks like only a compass is missing between the two. Is that a problem? Other than that, it looks like a good upgrade. The small amount of memory on the Honor is becoming an issue for me now.

No compass seems like a major omission, as it means navigation apps can't tell which way you're facing. Being able to use my phone to find my way around is far more important than NFC (I also look for Glonass as well as GPS, as it helps get a faster lock). I might have to upgrade from my Moto G 2nd gen dual-sim to 3rd gen dual-sim but it depends on whether it does 3g+3g instead of the 2nd gen's 3g+2g, which is rubbish IMO.

Out of Stock, see this other deal http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/motorola-moto-g-4th-gen-16gb-just-announced-143-65-after-student-discount-159-with-2456961?p=28335814 also John Lewis still has stock

Thanks - £135 delivered using the Which code. Voted hot!

Thanks so much, really helpful

I don't think the 3rd gen has a compass either so check first!
I agree that this is a serious omission and probably saves them pennies in production costs, why oh why did they remove something so useful? - nearly every other feature of it suits my needs, the excellent 3G+3G dual sim is way better than my Moto X Play or Moto G 2nd gen dual sim phones but I might miss the compass, only time will tell I guess.

Are you sure this one is 3g plus 3g dual sim ? or is that not on the plus model ?

No I can't be sure, some suggest it is, others suggest it's not.

The XiaoMi Redmi Note 3 pro prime is better than this phone and it is cheaper. Better camera, more ram, extremely quick fingerprint scanner and the CPUs are not actually that much worse and are more likely to be just the same in terms of performance.

Black in stock

This phononly has heating issues OK n 1st day set it 2 auto update plug in & leave it that issue is resolved after that had g4 plus since 1st day & it's fantastic worth paying that bit extrs

Tried to purchase a white one as it was "in-stock". Either ive purchased 2 now, or my order has failed.

I dont want a Black one..

​That doesn't account for the fact the other moto G's were a smaller size so your theory can't be correct. More likely Lenovo has taken over. They could still make a smaller phone as they have a range of phones.

and not available from reputable UK suppliers with full guarantee and doesn't allow 2 SIMs and a microSD card to be used at the same time and doesn't have all UK 4G frequencies covered. Horses for courses.

Out of interest how does the Redmi handle dual SIM calling? Does it allow you to set a default SIM for each number called? It's pretty important for me as if it doesn't I don't think it will work with handsfree in car dialing.

Same thing happened to me yesterday. Others have said to try calling or use paypal (at an extra £2 charge). I've just left it until they sort the site out

I dont agree... Moto G is a bit behind the times really...
Its a great phone but 5.5 was last year, this year the trend is for 5.2 screens, think phone companies realise that some are put off by huge screens!
Really dont think its anything to do with markets etc

1st Gen was 4.5in, 2nd / 3rd Gen was 5in. 4th Gen is 5.5in (ignoring the Play version) - that looks to me like it's catering for a market that wants larger and larger screens.

The decision to go with 5.5in could be interpreted as being "out of touch" with what you and western markets want, or delivering exactly what the Latin American / India markets want.

Not sure if black is dual sim though

Looks like back in stock now :-)

I'm very tempted. Witch trials put me off a bit, I thought they were historically judged a Bad Thing.

I tried ordering a few times and the purchase just wouldn't go through although the bank had allocated the funds to appliances direct each time I tried. The online chat confirmed there is no order and I won't be charged but admitted there is an issue with their payment service so might be worth calling if you want the phone (others have said they needed to use paypal at an additional charge). Obviously you lose out on cashback too. Remember the delivery charge is £4.95 not £2.95 as stated in the description and from what others have said, the black is not dual sim only the white.

The only bad thing I can see about the trial is that you can't cancel it with a simple click, you have to call or email.

I tried to order 3 times over various browsers, as I was experiencing the same fault as others and the site was glitching when trying to authorise my card details.
In the end I paid successfully by PayPal but I've now got the money missing from my "available" bank balance, and also showing up with a receipt in my PayPal summary! their customer services insist I've only got one order and it's the debit card one! even tho I have a PayPal receipt

as for the cancelling of the which magazine subscription that was no worries at all and only took one email

I have just sent an email to cancel my subscription and I got a reply almost immediately, so it looks like nobody should face issues cancelling the subscription, if that's what they want (and I assume most will).

Hello Every one, did any one else found any cheap add on item in order to use the "£20 which ?" the link provided above Claims 49p but that item is now £14???

How about?

£0.99 = http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/filter-901022/baumatic-filter-901022-hood-filter

Or..

http://www.appliancesdirect.co.uk/p/filter-901044/baumatic-filter-901044-hood-filter

I signed up for the Which? trial, entered the discount code and then it has removed the discount on the last screen!

...but a quick call sorted it. Phew.

What is really unexpected is that we have a Baumatic and the filter could do with replacing!

There's a male to female (I think) aerial cable adaptor for 0.99p which I added

Ha Ha brilliant :-)

Sadly filters no longer in stock :disappointed:

Any other <£1 items? The WHICH membership is actually handy for me at the moment, need to buy a dishwasher. But no need for a long term subscription!

Thx op

Arrived today sans filter :disappointed:

... but the phone is a revelation: good screen, nice and slim, HERE maps makes it a good sat nav.

Only downside with Android is lots of apps run ads which I'm not used to. Otherwise it's brilliant. Thanks for posting this.

I just called appliances direct to find out if they have any product <£1 to use with the WHICH offer, the very nice lady on the phone said it wasn't required, and she could place the order over the phone with the WHICH code - so have just bought the wife the white Moto G4 for £134.92 (including delivery).

​thought note 3 pro had same camera as elephone p8000? is moto g4 really worse ? how does the g4 plus camera compare to note 3 pro

I'm not sure but there seems to be a slight rattle/vibration on the speaker and earpiece. Anyone else got this or have I got a duff one?

still waiting for mine as DXSecure are a terrible courier!!

Phone is very good, battery life is great. Camera takes slightly dark shots outdoors but then it's English summer :smiley:
Still not got the £20 discount for the witch trials. I'll call them again today.

Any deals on the 32gb version?

Phones arrived, its a bit big. Struggling to text holding and typing on one hand. Will adapt...

I likes it...just wish it had some of the Cyanogenmod 12.1 things on it, such as "self unlock" after correct PIN, File Manager, normal clock, etc.

Isn't this the same?
Motorola Moto G4 16GB SIM-Free Smartphone - Black : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorola-Moto-16GB-SIM-Free-Smartphone/dp/B01GZZK9XQ/ref=sr_1_4?s=telephone&ie=UTF8&qid=1468530756&sr=1-4&keywords=Motorola+Moto+G4

Latest Google Keyboard has a one-handed mode, as described here

having bought mine direct from Motorola, the black one is dual sim

Had mine working now for a few days, it does random stuff now and then.

I can be typing on facebook messanger, then it just decides to spend 3-4 mins typing and sending random text. It seems to type, then delete it, autocorrect, then send...

Weird..