The recent Doom Vulkan and Rise of the Tomb Raider updates have really made me impressed with my RX 480 (which was no slouch at all initially.





Looking like Civilisation 6 will be taking full advantage of AMD cards too. :sunglasses:

With DX12 and Vulkan becoming the future in PC gaming, things look great.

It may be, but those benchmarks taken straight from Nvidia marketing material could not possibly be less trustworthy. Equally, the 1060 will cost a fair bit more. Considering the FE is set at £275, you can expect custom cards to mostly be above that, as they are with the 1070 and 1080.

Do these draw less power than the gtx 770? I'm tempted to upgrade but my psu is 520w (albeit platinum rated)

From my understanding they draw about 150 to 180w

You can estimate power usage of a system with something like this:
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

Right thanks, yeah it's a Seasonic.

After using that calculator above, I could probably shove in a 1080 lol

The gtx 770 is a hungry card!

The 1080 has a TDP of 180 Watts, not much more than the rated output of the the RX 480. You could probably go SLI 1080 with your PSU.

Isn't the nearly released GTX 1060 a better card with better DX12 performance?

Let's hope you are all right and it's not goodbye amd and RIP.

Cheap R9 390 IMO - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sapphire-Radeon-NITRO-Gaming-Graphics/dp/B015DXHEAW/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1468432823&sr=1-2&keywords=r9+390

£208 from amazon although not available atm worth the wait.

Go for a Flubit when back in stock at Amazon , last time I tried it was just under £200 delivered , that was when they where first released , so should be cheaper !! Hopefully !!

AIB cards coming out in less than 2 weeks, I'd hold out.

Still think that's going to be well above the 480 price point

I would avoid the 480's until the design flaw is fixed

I'll stick with my 1080 sli setup. :man:

They released a driver update that fixed the power draw yesterday I believe.

As above, I'd really really avoid the stock cooled 480. The cooler is terrible and noisy.

This. I sent back my reference Rx480 due to this.

not sure why people wanna buy a proven faulty card. Not even a bios or driver can fully cure an hardware fault. I am going to wait for the next batch and these faulty cards should be returned.

If you're looking to save a few quid just get the 4g one, they perform the same ( overclock the memory a tad)

Fixed? Not at all. It still draws far too much power. Even with "Compatibility" mode turned on, it draws 159 watts. The default, compatibility mode off, it draws even MORE power than before the 'fix'.

Before 'Fix' 165W. After 168W. It's ok, they got a minor FPS increase, at the cost of 93W surging through the 75W PCEi 6 pin connector.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/amd-radeon-rx-480-polaris-power-fix,review-33600.html

Seriously, this card is completely out of spec in terms of power draw. Why they didn't ship it with an 8 pin connector is beyond me.

This one?

https://www.techpowerup.com/223981/amd-releases-pci-express-power-draw-fix-we-tested-confirmed-works

Got a hd 7950 think I should upgrade?

Ordered one of these cards yesterday for the wife's PC from Overclockers. Power issues supposedly fixed in new driver so should no longer be an issue. I also ordered myself a MSI Geforce GTX 1070 Armor 8GB OC from Maplins at £389.99 from another deal posted. For those that are interested a PCI-E slot should be able to supply 75W of power, a 6 pin PCI-E plug should be able to supply another 75W and a PCI-E 8 pin plug 150W. There are a number of very good offers on on the older R9 390 and R9 390X cards at the moment however these require a lot more power and as such unless you have a decent 550W or better PSU they really should be on your list of graphics cards.

That's the leak that came from the Nvidia 1060 benchmarking "guide" that they sent to the reviewers right?

Ordered one of these cards yesterday for the wife's PC from Overclockers. Power issues supposedly fixed in new driver so should no longer be an issue. I also ordered myself a MSI Geforce GTX 1070 Armor 8GB OC from Maplins at £389.99 from another deal posted. For those that are interested a PCI-E slot should be able to supply 75W of power, a 6 pin PCI-E plug should be able to supply another 75W and a PCI-E 8 pin plug 150W. There are a number of very good offers on on the older R9 390 and R9 390X cards at the moment however these require a lot more power and as such unless you have a decent 550W or better PSU they really should not be on your list of graphics cards.

The recent Doom Vulkan and Rise of the Tomb Raider updates have really made me impressed with my RX 480 (which was no slouch at all initially.





Looking like Civilisation 6 will be taking full advantage of AMD cards too. :sunglasses:

With DX12 and Vulkan becoming the future in PC gaming, things look great.

OCUK have adjusted prices slightly as the HIS appears at £229 (for me at least) atm... however, this model is £219: PowerColor reference card

Always want the new graphics card. All I play is WoW (when new expansion is out)/dota and FM. Dunno why this interests me. Are these any better than 970s? I know there is more RAM but the 970 was £170 on Amazon other day

Tip 1 AMD = bad gaming experience.

Tip 2 just let Nvidia destroy your wallet and have a good time gaming.

Simple as that really. AMD look good on paper and benchmarks but playing actual games is a nightmare!

Theres still microstutter in skyrim and torchlight 2 ffs... ancient games never optimised, will be loads more too.

Atleast paying the extra to Nvidia which is a rip but you get smooth gaming.

That's one thing against AMD, frame times. Quite a lot worse.

Yeah its a shame, if they sorted this out and got some decent cards out it woulf gorce nvidia to drop in price.

People just know to go Nvidia if youre serious about gaming. A 970 for 170 quid is a bargain! As long as its not ref as they have bad coil whine. 970 perfect for all games at 1080p. Dont worry about the gimped Ram it never comes in to play but im still disgusted Nvidia got away with that...

You do realize that graph you posted doesn't have a 480 on it, right?

Not sure how you can be 'impressed' with the 480 by comparing the Fury X and the 980ti...

Why bother showing the 980ti in DX12 anymore? That's a bit of a swizz, show the 1060/1070 or 1080...

970 for your use case seems quite reasonable. You may want to consider waiting for the 1060 3GB or 6GB... Might be around the same price point. The 3GB model may dip below 130£.

These were £200 the other day, are you hot voters mad..?

Nonsense

not nonsense at all AMD are crap and have been crap for years and will remain crap for years to come. the 1060 will be in the same price range and crush the AMD card just like every other release for years. AMD only have there self to blame the drivers and support are absolutely shocking. pay more money and get better quality and support with nvidia. simples

​Which amd gpu did you have such a negative experience with? im still using a 7970 that ive had for the last 4 years with no nightmares or stutter. But thats just my personal experience. :wink:

​been fixed, keep up lol

Once you add in the price of a DeLorean and a flux capacitor to back to the other day it will be more than £221.99.

Oh Nate.

The first Doom graph does show how much better the 480 has improved using vulkan, and the 2nd graph was just there to show some of the improvements with one of AMD's cards.


Regarding the 2nd graph, I was just showing some of the performance improvements of Dx 12 and RoTTR using using AMD hardware as I didn't have any RX 480 data to hand.


So bitter! :disappointed:

Can I not be impressed by actually owning said hardware and seeing improvements with my very own eyes? My main PC (i7-4790, RX 480, 16GB RAM) has seen some stellar improvements with both Doom and RoTTR which I welcome with open arms.

I will appease you as you appear to take this to heart me being someone not talking up Nvidia hardware in the above post. Using Vulkan on my mediacentre PC and a Geforce GTX 960 (AMD 7850k @ 4.2GHz, GTX 960 4GB and 8GB DDR3) I've also seen a lovely boost over OpenGL vs Vulkan in Doom (making 1080p/60 on the highest settings just under nightmare), I just haven't seen any improvements with RoTTR using Dx12 in the same manner my 480 has on my other PC.

Please be assured I'm not dissing Nvidia by taking good things about AMD hardware.

Oh Chaz.

You do realize your first graph *does not show comparisons between Open GL and Vulkan*. Right?

It shows the 480 barely beating the 290/290x and it doesn't show the 390/390x (which, shock, beats the 480).

It also conveniently leaves off the 1070 as well.

And yet still, I don't see much point comparing AMD's Open GL performance against it's Vulkan performance. The only thing that can actually prove is that AMD had terrible Open GL support. Which, by the way, is not contested by anyone, not even AMD.

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/182343-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-valve-programmer-discusses-wretched-state-of-opengl

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/373158-33-cards-terrible-open-performance-compared-nvidia

http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/84466-is-amd-support-for-opengl-this-bad-nowadays/

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/articles/amds-opengl-performance-is-nothing-close-to-nvidia-on-this-benchmark.3806

I'm sorry, but comparing AMD's previous, terrible, Open GL performance to it's Vulkan performance is just shady, full stop.

Nate dear boy,

AMD's OpenGL perfrmance Vs Nvidia is crap, but the future is looking good.

Improved performance using D

There's nothing shady about progress is there? And yes, I will be first to admit AMD's performance on DX11 and OpenGL vs Nvidia's offerings was lacking in some titels, not so much in others, but.....



[img]http://i.imgur.com/UFzw0bA.png[/img]

I'm not going to completely steal the guys hard work so here is the full video, please to give it a watch to support the creator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOaHpZjQ73M

We're in a time where all major consoles, and their upcoming revisions (The XBOX One, PS4 and the Nitnendo NX as well as the PC & even Android) will no doubt be taking advantage of the newer rendering technologies bought either with DX12 or Vulkan, and to see older cards performing within a the realms of the current high end stuff in newer titles is something that does excite me, being someone here on a deals site that likes to get as much for his £ as possible, this has me hoping that all consumers will be given the option of buying cheaper and better performing hardware across the board, no matter who the creator is (AMD, Nvidia, Matrox, S3, 3Dfx, PowerVR.... :stuck_out_tongue: ).

I'm here to save money on my purchases, not argue over older DX11 and OpenGL titles so I'm bowing out now. No more shade from me, I promise.

It's a completely minor thing at this point, the ATX 6 pin connector is easily capable of handling more than the rated 75W, plenty of cards out there draw more than 75W through the 6 pin. Also the circuitry on the card seems to be well designed to handle a higher load, there's analysis out there which indicates that the 6 pin connector on the card is more of an 8 pin connector in disguise.

All those charts show is that AMD had terrible open GL performance. I don't see your point at all. The 970, 980, 390, and 480 have all danced around each other in benchmarks. This is nothing new here.

In Open GL, the 480 was losing by over 12 FPS to the 970, in any other benchmark I've seen, the 970 and the 480 were neck and neck.

I don't see how this is a 'good thing' for AMD, they are just showing how terrible they were at Open GL. Repeatedly.

There are plenty of Open GL games out there still.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenGL_programs

If you are happy with that set of games being absolute pants on your 'good value card' and happy that you can *never* switch to Linux with your 'good value card' then more power to you.

But as a consumer, when I see this card priced at 221.99 and I see 970 below that price, and the 980 approaching it... With the 1060 6GB to be the same price and the 1060 3GB to be as low as 140 quid, as a consumer, it's an easy choice.

The chance of a 1060 even the 3gb variety if it materialises being that price for the foreseeable future is around 0. Personally I suspect the 1060 6gb will be around £260 for the non founders edition cards at least for a few months judging by the inflated prices of the 1070/80. My guess is the 480 to fall to about £170 for the 8gb version once the 1060 is around in better numbers. But as we don't know anything about it other than Nvidia marketing like your comment mines all guesswork! As for he 970 being better than the 480 I haven't seen real evidence of that, it seems to vary depending on what game and what resolution. I'd be looking at how they compare in the games I play rather than basing it off a few that reviewers play.

The 970 isn't better than the 480. It is on par, around the same performance.

I don't get why you think the 1060 6gb will be £260 while the 480 will be £170. They are priced as such in the states: $249 and $239 MSRP.

Also, why the doubt on the 1060 3gb? There is other cards at that price point that NVIDIA want to compete with, so why wouldn't they release it?

Have a look at the recommended pricing for the 1070 and what it's currently available for, that's why I think it will be more. I also agree, the 970 and 480 are approximately the same but perform differently in different titles. Nvidia have a better reputation than AMD so I suspect the 480 will have to lower in price soon. I doubt the 3gb card will be released for ages as there are reports of tons of 970s hanging around.

I'm sure all these cards will be just fine, i have a 770 which according to the charts on this thread is crap but seems to run fine to me. Maybe because i play the games rather than hunching over frame rate charts