I just lost 15 minutes of my life reading all this because I was interested in just how stupid 'stashmoney' could make him/her self look in the end. The answer is extremely stupid.

Well i doubt many people care much for your experience seeing as you appear to hail from another planet to the rest of us ...

Because cars are depreciating assets - if an asset depreciates in value, rent it. If it appreciates, buy it. Simple economics.

People rent property cos they've been poor with cash management/lazy/don't earn enough/don't care enough/don't see the point of it.

haha.

Forgot to mention, it's the more expensive and better DSG version and it's based in 8k miles

For reference on the price, the non estate version is £404 per month!

Wow cracking price!

cracking deal, cracking price!

They're cheap 'cos someone put the steering wheel on the wrong side:



:man:

It looks like a great deal, if I didn't have another 12 months on my existing lease then I would be all over this.

I can't get to my PC to correct this and can't edit from my phone but this is actually 23 payments not 24 making it £202 cheaper Than I originally posted. Total price is £6670! Even cheaper!

If I am not mistaken this is the same mega deal from April that was only available for 48 hours. My cynical mind says that the website never removed the deal once it expired. I have had several examples from gateway 2 lease of out of stock deals being advertised.

Great deal!

currently 16 months into my R deal for similar (slightly cheaper) price and started to see this deal again at one or two lease companies. could well be perfectly legit, is the point. VWFS matched the deal for me, so I didn't use a 3rd party lease company.

This went red hot a couple of months ago. A lot of people snapped them up

Hot!!! Picking mine up from the last deal on Wednesday :smile:

My current R ends in January. Currently paying £260 per month. Really love the car as there's no other cheap hatchback R deals now I'm tempted to buy it if I can

Im 16 months into my R deal. Would jump at this. Brilliant car.

£235 per month, £2400 deposit, 5k miles is the best I can find

How is paying almost £7k for a 2 year rental cheaper than buying? Surely 2 year depreciation would only be around £2k?

Buying this car with a £2500 deposit is £302 per month (and this is barebones price, discounted to the limit with no added spec) on PCP with a £15 grand final payment

How much does it cost to do a realistic amount of miles though? Say 15k?

2k depreciation over 24 months for this car? You don't understand finance, do you?

haha.

Dunno if I'd fancy a car in the 20s mpg doing 15k miles!! you need to get a personalised quote though

Got mine from Corkills Wigan
Couldn't fault them
Corkills Fleet Services 01942 324411

I would snap this up a heartbeat , but as its Sunday cant order , also i'm hoping that these are for order as having it in red or white would ruin it for me.

Not sure how i missed this though i regularly check that site and its normally around 350+vat

And stuck a gtd badge on it and the wrong engine in it :smile:

I had the same experience, contacted load of companies but just got no reply then it dropped off the edge of a cliff :disappointed:

Really hoping i can secure one this time, i almost had one on order last week with a couple of options at around £285 but even they have fobbed me off it seems, failed call back after several weeks of discussion and now its gone right up on the site, ba*ds.


In fact iv'e just emailed my local vw now to see if they will do anything , id eat my hat though if they will, and my existing vehicle.

LOL. I'm assuming you've never bought a new car of this value and sold it on 2 years later?

Shouldn't you really quite the deal as deposit+admin fee+total monthly payment divided by 23? You could get an offer that was 1p a month but the deposit was £50k, doesn't sound so good you know.

No you couldn't. The deposit is either 3,6,9 or 12 payments and anyone looking for a lease knows this

​have you seen this?.... https://www.selectcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volkswagen/golf/hatchback/20_tsi_r_3dr_[nav]/75528.html

​An extra £1k a year as it's 7.2p pm extra

More likely to loose around £10k in the first two years.

What type of figures are you paying direct from CorkHills?

hmm, just shows at £400 when I click through =(

Has this now disappeared, I requested a quotation earlier so now assume they won't come back with the original price as above.

It looks like they have sold out of the discounted price numbers. Hope some of you got one

unless your putting it through your business isn't leasing a car the biggest waste of money out there ? you get to drive a 2015 car for 3 years and at the end of it have nothing ? its the height of trying to look the part and live above your means.

It works out cheaper than buying a brand new car

LOL , knew it was too good to be true - who updated it on a Sunday though ? , i emailed them and called to make sure they were not open.

Also mailed vw and another couple companies about price matching ha ha , worth trying i guess

The hunt continues ...

Really tempting, just a shame about the insurance

I have never lost £7k on any car in 2 years (or 16,000 miles) even if you worked in the price of servicing/tyres/upkeep etc, admittedly I've never had a brand new car but plenty a year or 2 old, & always sell within 2 years.

Works out cheaper if your used car requires thousands of pounds of unwarranted repairs though.

I want to to avoid hassle and stress on used car maintenance and the unlimited amount of money they can suddenly cost you.

of course it does because you don't own it, its like saying renting a house works out cheaper than buying it. but ultimately isn't it a shocking waste money just to drive a new car for a few years ?

Had mine almost a year
R Saloon DSG Red
2400 / 23 x 196 (Inc Vat - No Fees)

I thought leasing only became popular because you were not allowed to put a vehicle as part of your business assets anymore (but you could lease) cannot for the life of me understand why anyone outside of a business would lease, unless i am missing something

I've got 40k cash to spill out on a car however I like changing my cars every 2 years. I currently have an Audi A6 which works out 8.5k over 2 years. If I was to buy it for 40k cash and sell it after 2 years it will go for around 25k. Which one would you choose?

so with this deal is all the maintenance & servicing including ?

Say you have £6872.40 repair bill for your used car , which is the better deal then ? (and that's disregarding the hassle)

I do understand though, if you have had good luck with used cars then you maybe swayed to your mindset, however the worst could happen tomorrow, whether you can afford it or not, if you have a lease then you know your exact motoring costs which gives peace of mind.

And of course you get to drive a brand new car of your choice including spec'ing it up - to me its a no brainier, just finding the right deal.

The other avenue is used car warranty, but i have only heard bad things about them so im not convinced,

Has this deal disappeared from the website? The link takes you to a quote for £350 +VAT

Also the best part of leasing is you drive it like you don't own it (which you actually don't) so it's more fun :smile:

that I could enjoy, so all servicing and maintenace is included in the £202 per month deal ?

​You will lose the VAT amount as soon as you drive it off the forecourt.

I honestly have never even had a repair bill for half of that amount, in 20 years of driving, not even close, call it good luck but thats the honest truth.

​Me too plus VAT

Not sure mate, it's better if you call them up and ask them

​You are only living above your means if you can't afford the lease amount. Also its cheaper that owning a brand new car.... Leasing is the future!

if that £202 includes VAT & servicing & maintenance then it is a truly cracking deal, if it doesn't then I would guess you have to take it to an approved agent, most likely main dealer, if the main dealer ever got wind it was a lease car, your pants would be removed, you'll be flipped over, and you'd be leaving there very sad indeed.

Im a car salesman. I sell, lease and buy cars. This is the cheapest way of getting into a new car. If you want the figures I am more than happy to show you!

Who said DSG was "better"?

When I clicked the link earlier when offer was still running it said not maintained. Now at the higher price it says it is maintained.

i totally believe you , im sure loads have the same experience - but its a gamble it could still happen to you, if it did i bet you would be wishing you had taken heed.

Personally i ahve been burnt so i know exactly where to stack my cards, i could deal with another out of teh blue costly issue and it seems stupid top not insure myself against this is i can.

Also remember its 6740 for two years, so you only need to have 3400 repairs through a year for it to be better value,

I have had several 2k + incidents, and most recently well over 5k with car off road for 6 months - previously i was in the leasing is a waste of money camp tbh .

If i leased last year i would be much better off , and its not only the money the stress and inconvenience at times has been major.

Why do people rent cars and or houses???? Throwing your money away. If the title is correct your paying nearly 7 grand to borrow a car for 2 years. Can't think of a better way to waste your money.

Because cars are depreciating assets - if an asset depreciates in value, rent it. If it appreciates, buy it. Simple economics.

People rent property cos they've been poor with cash management/lazy/don't earn enough/don't care enough/don't see the point of it.

can anyone help me find a good offer on the new W213 E class lease deal :smiley:

​It's the 2015 spec it's still going to be a brand new car it just doesn't get a boost gauges option and different style wheels that the 2016 spec got and it's for 2 years not 3.

It isn't the height or trying to look the part it's the cheapest way to drive a Golf R estate for 2 years. If you own it from new for 2 years you're going to lose £10k in depreciation alone. Plus you'll have £33k of your money that could be sat in savings probably earning at least £1k over 2 years not tied up in a depreciating asset. Thats presuming you happen to have £33k lying around, if you take out a loan the best rate over £25k is 6.6% APR so it'll cost you over £2000 in interest alone. Plus you have to pay road tax if you own car so that's another £360 over 2 years.

You can finance the car but you'll still take the depreciation hit plus any APR costs. So if you think people just want to look the part? Maybe they just dont want to waste money owning a car. So if you want to drive a brand new 300bhp estate this (or similar deals if this expired) is the cheapest way to drive one. I personally own my car and have owned my last 3 cars and I couldn't care less about owning it. Owning a car isn't an achievement I just want to drive a car and the car doesn't look any different if you own it or not. If it has a warranty and I don't have to worry about unexpected hideous repair costs or MOTs plus recovery etc included then I'd take that any day.

If this deal hadn't turned out to be duff I would be ordering one tomorrow and selling my used car that I own and I'd be glad to see the back of it. I'll just have to wait out for the next hot estate deal.

so not maintained you still risk that whopping new car repair bill, plus I'm sure you could only take it to VW, thats where its not even close to a deal for me.

Deal seems to have gone now. I end my 2 year lease on my focus rs from GW2L in September.

Keeping a very close eye on deals ATM

DSG is faster than manual, better fuel economy and cheaper road tax.

There's no big fees with a car under warranty. Take out a service plan for cheap fixed prices servicing.

lol how naive , of course owning can cost you more; i've just given one example, its totally unpredictable what a years used car motoring will cost you, this is pretty much finite bar fuel.

And yeah why dont generation rent just all buy houses all of a sudden - ohh my ribs :smile:

all of what you said seems to amount to not really having the money to buy a brand new car, in which case why would you need to drive one ?


But this lease doesn't include any maintenance or servicing, so where is the value ?

I swear every lease deal creates a whole new breed of people who can't understand simple math, or lifestyle choices.

I think it's the same group of people that post deals for Lidl dropping the price of Baked Beans to 11p.

It's maths not math.

Both are correct

Good deal for those who want an estate. But if leasing is the future then what happens to the rest of us who don't want this car in an estate?

I think you got wrong end of stick there, the repair bills are on the used cars , not the brand new warranted cars and repairs there would obviously be covered, are not your responsibility, and less likely to occur.

All maintenance gives you is tyres replaced, and services covered (+ windscreen wipers i think) - With this car i believe that tyres should last about 16k , and first service is at 2 years less than £200, so imo its not worth taking on this deal, if it was an option, and if this was a deal any more :man:

You pay full price or wait for the deal on the hatch to come around!

​Why don't I have £33k lying around to buy a car you mean? Because I just paid £38,400 as a deposit on my first house as I fancied owning an appreciating asset not a depreciating one like a car. Now that I have a house sorted I want to drive a nice new car because I like nice new cars. If you haven't quiet understood why I don't want to own a brand new car and I'd rather lease one from my last post then I really don't get why your username is stash money because you must waste it if you can't understand simple logic. If I had another £33k lying around I'd overpay my mortgage and still pay £6800 over 2 years to drive a brand new car because that makes a whole lot more sense than spending it on a brand new car and watch £10k dissappear instead of £6800. Fact is OWNING a brand new car costs more than leasing it so why would I want to waste my money?

You can either pay for the service pack upfront at £287.82 or pay it at £15.99 a month (over 18 months) which is the same price.
Then just ask the garage to rotate the tyres at the first year.
There won't be any other costs.

Maintenance adds little, i think you may have read my post a bit wrong ( or i wrote something wrong) , i don't think this deal even had maintenance.

Its like an extra £20 or there about per month, covers tyres, services , if these are likely to come to less than the cost for maintenance , no point - if i got this with no maintenance then i would expect to pay for one service at the end of the term ,which would cheaper even if less convenient than including maintenance with the deal.

Without maintenance, you have no responsibility for repairs, that lies with the owner, who obviously utilities the cars warranty, nothing for the leaser to worry about.

​What I'm trying to get at is leasing would be more of an option if there was a wider range of cars available at these deal prices.

Looking back at alot of lease deals on here and it's mostly the same make and models of cars that usually always get the decent discounts.

Buying brand new outright or used is still the best option for those who want to drive something of their own choice because other than the 'deals' that pop up leases can generally be quite expensive imo.

no way in hell is this car £200 to service at VW and i would guess you have to take it there, you are not covered for any maintenance/service at all and there is no warranty, risky, really risky.

DSGs are devoid of any driving satisfaction.

DSG does NOT have better fuel economy than a manual. In fact their real MPG are identical and if anything, the manual is nearer to its official MPG as a percentage than the estate.

They also both have the same road tax band.

lol, i wish it was more widely available in estate , there have been plenty of 3dr and 5dr deals around , nothing on the estate for some time now - i almost ordered the 5dr for the sake of waiting , but i really need the space,

First place i look they are doing 5 dr at £233.99 inc VAT, 2100 deposit, if that was on the estate it would be ordered asap,

The best deals are the ones the manufacturers can't shift. Rather than dilute their pricing structure they move them on through lease deals.

You'll only need one service in two years. You'd have to maintain a car if you owned it. What's the problem here?

I guess its in the small print but I can't see anything on the website alluding to what your saying, I cannot see them letting you waive the maintenance option and covering you anyway. A friend of mine ended up with a cracked gearbox on a 1 year old VW Golf of few years ago, that was covered but under this scheme I'm not so sure, an unlikely issue I know but one of potentially many, I know a lot of people that have had a lot of silly problems with brand new motors, if your not 100% covered then its a serious roll of the dice.

that once you start paying for servicing and maintenance (which has the potential to be £1000's) then the value in leasing is surely gone.

Not at all. Leasing allows the flexibility to own a new car and not pay the full cost upfront. Sometimes there are lease deals that are cheaper than the depreciation over the same period and I refer back to the point made in post #70.

Have you ever looked through the deals on a lease website ?

Check out national vehicle solutions or gateway to lease front pages, full of deals and there are endless similar sites - all with loads of good value deals its only the desirable and/or higher value deals that get post on HDUK though, too many to sift through you need to look at what you want and keep you eye on the prices across sites for a while.
​What I'm trying to get at is leasing would be more of an option if there was a wider range of cars available at these deal prices.

Has anyone ever bought form lingscars.com ? that site (and its owner) seem a bit mental.

How can 1 service be thousands?

because your worrying about spending 33k on a car seems like you don't have 33k to spend on a car. you could maybe find it but if you don't want to do it for all the financial reasons you've listed then you haven't really got it. the kind of people that blow 33k on a car can, & do.

maintenance can potentially be thousands, especially with a brand spanking new top end VW, they're could be all manner of issues.

& I'm fairly sure you would have to take it to VW

No offence intended but you have no idea what you are talking about! I sell cars for a living and can tell you that most of the wealthier people lease.

Welcome to the United Kingdom!

I don't doubt that. they rent massive house's aswell.

​If you choose the maintenance option or not you still have the standard 3 year manufacturer warranty as you would with any new car so there's no maintenance costs at all just servicing which any new car would need in order to maintain the warranty. As far as owning vs leasing goes the warranty and servicing is exactly the same.

Did you really come here to talk about plural and singular definitions of the same thing?

Both are valid, fool.

Why is this deal getting more and more heat whilst no one can get it.
I am sure many other brokers would have been all over this if it was confirmed and on the vw system.
Like someone else said, this seems like the old deal still on their system. Not that anyone can find it on thief site anyway.
yet still over 300 degrees already.

Yes it is, i have already checked it all out (its only an oil change and tire rotation @ 10k or 2 years and as the lease is only 8k this will be hit at the end of the lease on 2yr limit) , as im going to be committing to one of these soon as possible.

There are no other servicing costs, check out the schedule , the chance maybe that you could blow your tyres up i guess, but that's it no other costs.

Come on mate..... 1 of the first rules of economics is buy appreciating assets, rent depreciating ones. Wealthy people stay wealthy because they make smart money decisions not because they are idiots!

*their

nowhere on the website does it say that, why would you get the warranty on something YOU are not buying ? YOU are not buying the car from VW you are leasing it from someone else and they offer they're own warranty (of sorts) at a higher price, do you honestly think you can turn it down and be covered anyway LOL

Engine dies=warranty
Turbo dies=warranty
Gearbox fails=warranty
Brake calliper fails=warranty
Aircon packs up=warranty

There is no other costs apart from paying for VW to change the oil and filter which can be paid monthly or in advance.

You don't get a warranty as you aren't buying it. The lease company is buying and they do get a warranty and since it is their car they will have it repaired under warranty. This isn't rocket science!

Utter nonsense. It's under warranty firstly and a service for an R model is under £280 (that's what I was charged by Alan Day Hampstead)

Because people do not read the comments section

I think you need to re read my post , you still have the completely wrong idea of what maintenance is- its only for service and tyres.

I've not had a lease yet, with my used car i had large bills hence the reason for wanting lease, i will not take the maintenance but the car will still be repaired if anything breaks without cost to me.

If this had a cracked gearbox after one year it would be entirely the lease companies responsibility , no gamble at all.

Easiest thing , ring up a lease company and ask them to explain to you if you still don't get it.

Comes with 3 year warranty and 2 year flexible service schedule.

This is a 24 month lease.

And? Why is that a problem? Most, if not all manufactures impose that condition on warrantied cars.

no , service and maintenance is £200 no more - you seem to be very confused.

complete dribble, service for a VW golf over one year old is £413.82, check the website, I owned a golf a few years ago and you will never EVER walk out of a VW main dealer with a service for £200, that is completely banana's.

​It's like talking to a wall trying to get through to you. People who have £33k lying around mostly aren't stupid as that's how they got the money in the first place so they won't just blow it for the sake of it. I'm not worried about spending £33k on a car because I don't need to. I can just hand over £1800 then pay £200 per month which I'd happily pay to play around in a 300bhp estate then throw the keys back 2 years later with the whole experience costing £6800 far less than if I'd spent £33k of my own money on a car to get back £23k 2 years later costing me £10k. So why the hell would I want to spend more for the same thing plus I'm stuck with a used car instead of a savings account at the end of it.

£413.82.

It's actually now a legal requirement that you can take your car to any garage and as long as they use manufacturers parts the warrant stands. It is no different here!

Total rubbish. Why is there always someone posting this crap with every lease deal? Possibly the same idiot...
It's a new car. All new cars have a warranty. Vw is three years. Mine has been back in just once and a service which was £149. Oil change after 10000 miles. Car will be returned before another is required.

not any garage, any approved garage, and they know when they're approved and the difference is minimal.

£282 and includes both the first 2 services http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/service-plans

Most of the reviews indicate the DSG is not the gearbox of choice in the R. The manual box is far better suited to the power delivery. I have the DSG in my GTI which is the gearbox of choice for this model. Having driven the R with the DSG, that gearbox does hold back the venomous performance.

the 3 year warranty is peace of mind & encouragement for people parting with 10's of £1000's of pounds and buying a new car, you are not doing that in this deal, you are not buying a new car, you are not dealing with vw, you do not get any warranty, you pay extra for it, read the website.

Wrong, any licensed garage is fine

Manufacturers cannot warrant a car if there is no proof the correct fluids have been used. Why would VW UK warrant a brand new car that has been serviced by some grease monkeys at Kwik-Fit?

i think there is no helping you , just phone up vw and ask

Why would it cost more than £200 to change the oil and rotate tyres ?, you can even take out a 3 year service plan for £287 as an option at point of purchase , but as this is a two year lease , and it will require one service in two years at >£200 then no point , just pay for it at the end.

Everyone on this thread is telling you the same thing, you seem to be in denial , just educate yourself , benefit then forget about it.

Buy a car outright if you prefer, you only f'ing yourself over - we are all sensible to realise a good deal what its a bloody good deal !

Can this guy be banned? Or is he just really really stupid. A new vw has a three year warranty. The owner isn't under warranty. It's the car.

thats for a car under 1 yr, you won't need that with the ,milage restriction, try again.

It's EU legislation. They don't get a choice! I sell cars for a living! I know what I'm taking about!

All I can say is wow.

LMFAO!

Good luck getting VW to honour a warranty when you have decided to service your car at Kwik-Fit...

Yes, if you buy it, you are not buying it, why do you find it so hard to believe that the lease company won't let you waive the maintenance price just to be covered anyway ? how do you think they make they're money on this ? you think they buy it for you and pass it on ? you have to understand you are not buying a new car, you are renting it from a leasing company so why are you applying a different set of circumstances to it ?

Many of my customers get their cars services at their local garage and have no issues with warranty! You live in a cynical world my friend!

This thread is like listening to the politicians discuss the eu vote - it's hilarious

Are you seriously trying too say that a new car isn't under one year old? I'm recommending primary school for you

Yes, if you buy it, you are not buying it, why do you find it so hard to believe that the lease company won't let you waive the maintenance price just to be covered anyway ? how do you think they make they're money on this ? you think they buy it for you and pass it on ? you have to understand you are not buying a new car, you are renting it from a leasing company so why are you applying a different set of circumstances to it ?


I have been to a VW main dealer before, I know exactly what I am talking about, your quoting fixed price servicing for a car over 5 years old

No I'm a realist.

Answer my question: why would VW UK warrant a vehicle that has been serviced outside their dealer network? Any warranty claim and you will probably be asked to supply evidence that the service was carried out to VW standards using the correct parts and fluids. If you can't supply that, the warranty will be void.

Lets get some facts here:

- Its has 3 year warranty - Simple, end of - FACT
- Service one is around £160 - FACT (I bought my R and got a 2 year service pack for £150)
- If you change cars every 2 to 3 years, lease, if you keep longer, buy - Simple, basic economics, nothing to do with appreciating and depreciating assets.
- DSG gearbox is the gearbox of choice, read the reviews, it is also the only one that comes in the estate. It is also the only gearbox/clutch that can cope with remaps of the ecu.

How do I know all this? I spent 18 months after selling my old car (which incidentally I only lost £8k on in 5 years and 60k miles) choosing the right car and the right deal as I have a company car so was in no rush.

Bought through a broker and got 16% discount so my depreciation hit is massively reduced.

Does if you buy it, not if you lease from someone else (not VW)

There you go if it's only £288 for 2 services (if you choose standard service) where are you getting over £400 from for one extended service!?

If you can't supply that info then it is your own fault for not keeping your invoice. All parts and service used is on it and you merely need to show them that. They have no option but to honour the warranty, they would be breaking the law if they didnt

That is not a fact. That is an opinion.

No, I'm saying in the 1st year you won't hit the milage needed for a service, it will be over a year and a different price, its not rocket science.

First service is at mileage cap or within 12 months whichever comes first. The service plan is fine

Has this not expired now as i can't find the price stated???

Of course it does. Why wouldn't it? Have you even learnt to drive yet let alone understand anything about leasing?

the official website, where else ?
http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/owners/servicing/service-plans

It has

Why risk doing that on a brand-new car to save a few quid?

For the warranty to remain intact you will need a detailed invoice proving that the correct components lubricants and processes were used. It will also reduced the p/x value (yes not applicable in a lease but certainly on a PCP) especially to a VW dealer. You will also lose any post warranty 'goodwill' from VW.

The why is irrelevant. I'm merely telling you that you can and I'm right.

just missed this :disappointed:...any other good personal lease deals about at the moment?

It's £149 for the first service! I'll scan you a pic of my receipt if you like! Or you take out the above service plan. You don't have to use the service plan in one year. You just have to purchase it up to 12 months. If you read the page it's pretty clear.

I'm always looking for deals on the golf r/cupra/scirocco r. I'll post them as they arrive!

so your going to service your new car before 8000 miles ? why would you do that ? it will be over a year before you hit that milage, hence the higher service price, your better than this

No - you believe you are right. You cannot speak on behalf of VW UK.

If you cannot prove with a detailed invoice that the correct servicing procedure, parts and fluids have been used, your warranty is void. Period.

Because £149 for a service in the first year is better than £400 if you wait (according to you!) it's not rocket science!

I can as I work for them. Thanks for guessing though.

Last thing i will say on this, how on earth do you think the leasing company makes any money being given back a car 2 years older with 16k on it & only making 6k ? plus they throw in a guarantee you won't have to pay anything !!!! LOL

They make money from the admin fee thy charge and send the cars back to VW at the end of the term.

I would recommend you don't lease a car. The stress of having to deal with adults might be too much for you.

The best thing to do is buy your service parts from you VW dealer (their 507.00 oil is pretty competitively priced) then you have the invoice recorded from the dealer.

My car has only been to the main dealer once. First was its free 1000 mile check and the second a warranty claim. Every service (while under warranty was done at an independent specialist). When the main dealer couldn't sort an engine issue (under warranty) on my dad's car they took it to this dealer and they found the fault, fixed it and billed the main dealer.

EU law states that it must be VAT registard and be serviced to the manufacturers schedule using parts that meet the minimum specification of the manufacturer.

But as I said above just buy it from your local dealer anyway.

So you keep saying...

Plenty of cases on HonestJohn.com where people are taking a shortcut and servicing their warrantied vehicle outside the dealer network and having their warranty voided.

If you want to take the risk, go ahead.

You may also find that it may be against the lease company's T&C to not have it serviced at VW.

No - they make money on the economies of scale buy buying hundreds of cars in bulk. Not from charging £180 admin fee on each vehicle.

Buying parts from a dealer does not mean you actually used them in your vehicle, does it?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I would take my car to the main dealer every time. But you're telling everyone you can't get serviced elsewhere and it's simply not true. If you go to a backstreet garage that rips you off and doesn't use main dealer parts then that is a whole different argument to weather you can get it serviced elsewhere or not! Anyway, this deal has expired and I'm off to watch the football! Good luck to you all

Do you change your oil based only on mileage?

No what I said was that if you do take it elsewhere, don't expect your warranty to stay intact. Did not say you can't do it. I said you shouldn't do it.

Who says I'm only doing 8000? I might do 10,000 or 12,000.

My dad only does less than 5000 miles a year now he is retired but it still gets new oil once a year. :smiley:

Well no, but from an owning point of view you know what has gone in. From a lease point just take it to VW.

There is plenty of evidence of main dealers charging for parts not used or charging for higher spec oil than they put in.

What ever you do if they want to be a pain they can. So you get it serviced at VW and the turbo goes. They test the oil and claim it's not their oil in the car. You now have a fight on your hands.

So anyway legally you can have it serviced not at the main dealer.

For me for a lease car I would go to the main dealer.
For a new car I intended to sell at the end if the warranty I would go to the main dealer.
For a car I intend to keep long term I would service it to keep the warranty and then service it myself.

If you don't mind me asking what car did you lose just 8k on depreciation over 5 years?

not bmw audi or merc cold brrr

Octavia vrs diesel dsg.

It's all about getting the right deal when buying to offset the depreciation. I saved 6 grand on list price on it to start

I once bought a 55 plate golf sdi for £5500 with 55k on it, took it up to 135k in 5 years and sold it for £2400 !! For all you penny punchers that's how you do it buy a decent £5-£10k car

You must be drunk, insane or both. 16k ? 6k ? guarantee ? what are you even talking about lol

And as i said earlier if you have a large repair bill, or even a series of smaller one ? obviously nothing went wrong with this imaginary car in those 5 years lol.

In contrast my £8000 car that i have owned for 8 months has costs over £6000 in repairs and maintenance, your argument should conclude with with 'if you are lucky' , luck i don't like to rely on from my experience.


On the other hand i once bought a 1991 crx vtec with 23k on for 1800, used it for six months until i was worried it would need some work , sold it for 5.5k, but that's a totally different situation ,i didn't rely on that vehicle to get around, it was essentially a classic car which is the only time its better to buy really.

​I thought you said you were done. You've been consistently wrong on the warranty thing. My leased Audi has just been repaired under warranty and the charge was zero.

It is different because you don't own the car and the lease contract specifically requires main dealer servicing.

As with leasing starting off with a good deal makes the deal. Getting a 3 year old golf (even as slow as that one) for £5.5k sets you on a good foot. If it has had consumable parts changed recently then all the better. But many 3 year old cars may need tyres, brakes, back box. Not many people replace parts if they intend to get rid as the cost is not made back on the trade in.

Our second car is a Citroen C1. We bought it new in 2007 for £6k with the intention of keeping it 3 years. We still have it now, its been faultless. It does 55mpg, road tax is £20, insurance is cheap as are parts. At £12 for a (DIY) oil and filter change it matters little how often it is changed.

I could sell it today for £1k

​Thats the biggest load of rubbish I've ever read.

This has to be the longest, most drawn out and useless thread for a deal that wasn't even there to begin with.
It's also the highest amount of heat for a deal that never existed too. Nice one.

Can I ask which dealership this was? I'm in same situation 4 month remaining on golf r lease

Someone posted a few pages ago the name of a dealer that matched the online quote

I just lost 15 minutes of my life reading all this because I was interested in just how stupid 'stashmoney' could make him/her self look in the end. The answer is extremely stupid.

Really, you think the main dealer will be gentle ? Perhaps take you out to dinner first ?

In my experience the kind of people that lease to get a brand new car are the kind of people that take selfies & actually think they are some sort of z list celebrity.

Well i doubt many people care much for your experience seeing as you appear to hail from another planet to the rest of us ...

Why does EVERY lease deal turn into a debate?!!

Ffs you are either interested in the deal therefore looking for more info and following the link & even making a vote or you are not simples. Surly you would be better suited looking at the car parts deals?!

I was looking for more info regarding warranty/service/maintenance etc and got bombarded by lease extremists.

That's far from the case, i gave details of my situation and reasons for seeing lease as a good deal, and have no inclination towards celebrity or taking selfies.

You are being rather extreme yourself in your blatant disregard for facts; which caused various people to repeat or further explain the simple things regarding the above to you many times in disbelief.

Extremist. I won't negotiate with you.

I think i saw you in World of Warcraft movies last night, troll chief :wink:

Laughing my t*ts off! So true!

​So get a nice classic car that ticks all your boxes, put all the lease money to the side for maintenance and tasteful improvements. Waft around spreading the style and glamour of a bygone era and sell your appreciating asset for a few grand profit when you get board of it. That's a hot deal if ever I heard of one :sunglasses:

The most relevant post so far....

Stash money is correct, if you're getting your Lambo serviced. First service on a Golf - oil, oil filter and checks will amount to around £180 at my local VW dealership.

​It's like talking to a wall trying to get through to you. People who have £33k lying around mostly aren't stupid as that's how they got the money in the first place so they won't just blow it for the sake of it. I'm not worried about spending £33k on a car because I don't need to. I can just hand over £1800 then pay £200 per month which I'd happily pay to play around in a 300bhp estate then throw the keys back 2 years later with the whole experience costing £6800 far less than if I'd spent £33k of my own money on a car to get back £23k 2 years later costing me £10k. So why the hell would I want to spend more for the same thing plus I'm stuck with a used car instead of a savings account at the end of it.[/quote]
You don't have to be an idiot to buy, I have a Lapiz Blue Manual R with Prets, paid £27500 for it new last May (ordered Sept 14!) instead of £32k and It should be an easy private sale at 3 years old for £17k. Had I leased at these deal prices, the car would've cost almost £8500 over 2 years.

It's the extras that bump up lease costs, if you want extras (I found the standard Cadiz to be monumentally ugly, wasn't bothered about 19" wheels if the standard 18ers were better lookers) then you pay the whole cost of them over 2 years which really bumps up the cost.

Saying all that, only a fool buys a new car and pays full RRP.

He is correct - EU laws were brought it years ago to allow people to not be obliged to take their car to a franchised dealership tied to the marque of their car, all in the name of allowing healthy competition. As long as all recommended genuine VW parts are used to service a VW (including the obligatory change of sump plug) and the recommended oil grade, you can have your local garage do it, whether that be a Nissan dealership, Kwik Fit or your local grease Monkey.

you were given the answers several times by people like myself who have owned and currently own lease cars (this particular car in my case) and you refused to listen.
For the tenth time
1. All new cars have a warranty - 3 years in this case.
2. Servicing - you will need one costing roughly £150-£180 unless you ramp up the miles in which case you need two and would be better to take out the service plan which i believe is aprox £15 a month (I didn't take it out)
3. What maintenance? New tyres, maybe. thats it.

Because they get the car cheaper via the fleet route than you or I could as a retail customer, and they might have buy back guarantees from VW to supply dealerships with used stock down the line. You can get 13% off RRP for a new VW if you try (a little higher when they were doing the loyalty bonuses), the lease companies will likely be getting the car for 75% of RRP, maybe less.

75PS non-turboed diesel - must have been a hoot to drive, 0-62 in a fortnight.

We have a fabia with this motor, absolutely bulletproof :smile:

It was agony, but tyres excluded I think I spent £600 on it in the 5 years, it was on the back of a jap import that was constantly going wrong so seemed great at the time.

Or even bored...

Not when the lease company does not allow it.

Lol so after all that you let it slip you did have lots of repairs to carry out on a used car you owned, you let your troll shield down a bit there :wink:

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The lease company not allowing it under the terms of the lease (they can impose such a clause) and VW threatening not to honour a warranty because of it are 2 separate issues. As for the issue of VW (or any other marque) potentially not honouring a warranty, they have a burden of proof before they could penalise a VW car owner - if they blatantly see a non VAG approved part affixed to the car which could affect the warrantable work (e.g. put a non-VAG oil fiter on may affect an engine related claim but not a claim for any part which is not expected to be lubricated or affected by that oil) or can independently prove an incorrect type/grade of oil was used then they could refuse remedial work.

They can void the warranty completely - they do not want any Tom, Dick or Harry meddling

I could have saved you all 11 pages of grief if you had read post #9.

They would have a hard time justifying that, and you would almost certainly win if you took them to the small claims court because Kwik Fit didn't use a VAG oil filter when performing an oil change service and your battery failed within warranty. A part's failure unaffected by an unofficial service's scope does not relieve them of their obligations under warranty for that item.

You need to get facts in check: whilst the ‘Block Exemption’ that a manufacturer can’t void a standard three year warranty if you get the car serviced by a non franchised dealer exists, they can demand you show evidence that it was done to manufacturer standards with the right parts.

So the easiest way is to get the car serviced by a franchise. And that can really pay off if the car develops a fault out of warranty because you’ll probably get some goodwill, which is really the manufacturer backing the dealer to conform to the Limitations Act of 1980, that sets out six years as the usual period in which actions for breach of contract.

But, if you’ve had the car serviced by grease monkeys from Kwik-Fit, the manufacturer can claim that the fault was caused by them. If the car is on a long warranty, like five years or more as typified by Toyota or Hyundai, then that is a probably a contract between you and the manufacturer that you get it serviced by his franchises and in return they warrant the car.

There’s obviously a bit of latitude, but you always stand a much better chance against a manufacturer if you have always had the car serviced by the dealers. And in these disputes, you legally have to start with the dealer who supplied the car in the first place, though a dealer who has been regularly servicing it will probably help.

They cannot legally blanket void the warranty on the whole car because you didn't get it serviced to their specifications, they can only void the warranty for parts of the vehicle affected by your use of non-specified parts even if they can prove you didn't service to their spec - you don't seem able to grasp this fact.

Burden of proof always lies with the dealership or UK representative of the marque. It is up to them to prove you didn't do things their way, not the other way around if they were going to try and find a way to not honour the warranty.

A failed rear cluster, battery, shocks, paint defect, interior trim, or indeed any part of the car unaffected by the work that should be conducted during the correct service schedule would have it's warranty intact by the letter of the law.

Goodwill is a whole other kettle of fish and you really shouldn't bank on goodwill gestures given beyond the warranty unless you did stick with the franchised dealer for all your servicing (and even then it is not guaranteed - they are not obliged to give goodwill, they are only obliged to preserve your statutory rights). Goodwill gestures can be very costly as the goodwill usually extends to a large % of the cost of the parts only, so you'll still end up getting hammered by franchised workshop labour costs of £70-100 per hour.

You've been a bit light on facts - you initially claimed that the correct brand franchise had to do the service work to keep your warranty and were shown to be wrong and then back-pedaled rapidly when it was pointed out that you were wrong.

They can. It's happened on many previous occasions even after the Block Exemption rule came into force.


They can demand you show evidence that it was done to manufacturer standards with the right parts. Remember you are making the claim on the warranty, not the other way round.


I haven't back-pedalled at all. I've always said that a manufacturer WILL void a warranty if they find out you've gone to some random garage that has not followed the correct service procedure and used the correct parts and/or consumables. I've also said that a lease company will have in their T&Cs that you go to a franchise dealer to have it service, as in the end of the day, it's their vehicle and they want to maximise the value of the car when they sell it on.

Yes also includes unlimited fuel and 24 hour access to a chauffeur

Remember saying this on page 9? No mention of not following schedule, you initially made the statement that VW could bin your warranty for simply not using their dealership network for servicing.

I get my R serviced at my local dealership because the service pack makes it as cheap as anywhere else, but if it wasn't i'd go elsewhere - dealership technicians are generally poor mechanics, they're part swappers that don't know what's wrong unless the computer tells it.

Dealerships won't give you the Spanish inquisition unless there are obvious signs of neglect/abuse.

It's up to you to prove that the car was serviced with the correct parts and fluids as shown on a detailed invoice by whoever did the service. it's important to mention that if you do not service at a franchised dealer you miss out on Technical Service Updates carried out during franchised services. Manufacturers are not expected to trace the keeper of every car for these and if you miss them your warranty might be voided. You also lose any 'goodwill' outside of the warranty.

Good luck with what ever you choose to do.