Come on its a moto g posting. Its guaranteed to get heat.

What Android phone has 6GB Ram??

As far as I know most are 1GB or 2GB with a fewer high end with 3 or 4GB

FROM GOOGLE

there are only three 6GB RAM mobile phones announced so far and their availability on the market is also not even

no NFC in a 2016 phone rules it out of contention for purchase IMO

good deal.

Just done a Flubit to see what kind of discount they'd offer, came back with 16%, which is around £25 off.

Good deal OP, and heated. This is a flagship at a budget price, guaranteed Andoid updates for three years and absolutely no crappiola on the stock UI seals it for me. Weird omission of NFC with the upcoming Android Pay.

Out of interest, this is not the dual SIM version I guess?

Come on its a moto g posting. Its guaranteed to get heat.

No mention of being waterproof? like the previous Moto G (3rdGen)

This or a little more for the Nexus 5x???

great phone, same price at tesco with clubcard boost advantage but with 1 yr guarantee

When the Smart Ultra 7 comes out someone will advise waiting for Smart Ultra 8, and others will say the 7 was better.

It will be out next month, not like you're waiting a year....

Cheaper at Tesco direct £149

http://www.tesco.com/direct/tesco-mobile-moto-g-4th-gen-black/403-9150.prd?skuId=403-9150&pageLevel=

​Plenty at this price point.

​EU legislation provides for 2 years from either reseller. However John lewis would doubtlessly offer better customer care should there be a problem.

If only this was a dual sim version :disappointed:

White one looks GREAAAT

Great post OP. Anyone know where you can get an original flip case that replaces the back for one of these ?
The Tesco one @ £149 is locked aswell.

Thanks ordered one.

What does this mean then?

"Meet the new Moto G. It is a Moto Pure phone, which means you can use it on any major carrier and easily switch any time you choose."
http://www.tesco.com/direct/tesco-mobile-moto-g-4th-gen-black/403-9150.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=403-9150

I wondered about that too .

anyways there is an unlock code on ebay for £1.85
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331791322096?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

no NFC in a 2016 phone rules it out of contention for purchase IMO

Checked with Tesco. The phone at £149 is locked to Tesco, phone at £159 is not.

Above description is a 'details error' on website concerning the locked phone, it refers to the SIM free model

Not available in-store at JL Oxford St, in case anyone else is tempted to waste their time looking for one. Mind you the sales person seemed never to have

... heard of Motorola phones, so who knows ?!

Can this phone be considered an upgrade from a galaxy s4?

What crucial stuff would nfc be used for regularly?

Only 2gb ram. Very expensive for 2gb ram, Most modern Android phones have 6gb ram.

Contactless, use your phone like a debit card.

'Android Pay' in coffee shops etc, it is very handy but maybe not crucial

You must be living in last century. Just Google "6gb ram Android phones," and see what comes.

FROM GOOGLE

there are only three 6GB RAM mobile phones announced so far and their availability on the market is also not even

EU legislation's gonna mean diddley squat in a couple of weeks time. :-(

We won't be out of the EU the next day even if the country votes that way. It'll be years.

Same price on the Motorola website using code UKWELCOME10 .. the smaller 16gb version has 2gb of ram now, so less reason to pay £30 extra for the 32gb version now when you can get a 16gb sd card for 4.99.

My s4 mini broke this weekend so I've just bought this. I loved my dated s4 mini hope this is a worthy upgrade

Do you have a link for the card or is this the usual price for that size?

I also have (& love) the s4 mini, but it is definitely due an upgrade. I'm not sure whether to go for this or buy the s5 mini, which can also be had at this price. Hmmmm....

It seems a bizarre omission when my 3 year old S4 has NFC and so I've just started using Android Pay, which will undoubtedly take off in the next couple of years.

Why has this phone gone so massive? 5.5", bloomin eck!

This is.

is there any chance the Tesco sim free could be dual sim as well?

if these are £149 in tesco could John Lewis price match it ?

It is not sim free for £149. Sim free model is £159

This or Redmi Note 3 Pro?

mobile phones come with two years manufacturers guarantee.

reason why ive just bought last years model which also has a front (single) speaker.

Well, Might be massive for you, but you will never know other people need. People who are traveling a lot will need a larger screen to replace their tab. Thus no need to take both of them when in the move or abroad.

Keep in mind the smart phone nowadays is not just for calling, but for browsing, navigation while on the move, walking on the street, text chatting. When you are in such situation you even need a still larger screen than 5.5" as long as you could still grab it with one hand.

i would have bought the lg nexus 5 if it had sd card. i would have bought this if it had nfc. my search for the perfect phone continues!

All mobile phones?

Has anyone tried two sims on the dual sim model ?

I am trying to find out if it supports 4g and 3 g at the same time , I am going to Australia and their 2 g network is
shutting down in December and I need to have 2 sims active.

If I bought one from John Lewis would I be able return it and get a refund ?

I bought the 32GB version for my 2nd gen 8GB Moto G.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B013UDL5V6/ref=twister_B015T132Q8?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1


I ended up buying the new Moto G4 largely because even with this I had problems. Even when I formatted the card as internal storage the phone's memory constantly said it was full. I also had problems because it wouldn't charge. My new Moto G4 came with a mains charger and my old Moto G has charged on it without any problems and the battery has lasted a lot longer than it was doing.

John Lewis give you a generous 90 days to return goods for a refund. As long as you haven't trashed it you shouldn't have any problems - especially if you buy it online.

Return policy:

http://www.johnlewis.com/customer-services/information-about-ordering-and-returning-products

I just spoke to them over the phone regarding a refund and they said if you put a sim in and turn on the phone, it is considered used, and they won't take it back. How they know you have done this i don't know, but thats what he said, so be careful.

Thinking of getting rid of my iphone 6s due to poor battery life and not sure if this moto g4 would be to much of a step down. Your thoughts please?

​Thanks for that. Been so long since I actually bought a card for my phone. I have the 32gb moto plus so I should have enough for a while but good to know it's so cheap to expand :smiley:

afaik, yes. new ones obviously. ive had Samsung, Moto and HTC all with 2 years.

Had both 1st and 2nd Gen, in my experience you'll need the 2 year warranty as the batteries don't last that long before you have to charge the units more than once a day having said that its still a great price for a good phone

An SD card is no substitute for installed internal memory. Android 6 boasts that it treats Sd storage as internal memory. It does, BUT not for the majority of apps which need the internal storage proper.

If you run many apps? Buy the 32GB version

Have you returned phones under warranty for that reason?

​so it makes buying at tesco even better as had some vouchers to spend...

Indeed, the eMMC or UFS for top range phones, are many fold faster and more reliable than a removable SD card so it's a false premise to say that the external storage will be equivalent as it isn't; for movies, music and photos it's OK but not many large apps can be easily moved to sd.

no... cause it's locked..

Motorola live chat confirmed that their warranty if you buy direct is only 1 year, so it needs to be bought through JL to get 2 years

Tesco locked moto g4 up in price........... now £179, was £149 must be selling well?


http://www.tesco.com/direct/tesco-mobile-moto-g-4th-gen-black/403-9150.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=403-9150

Tesco sim free is still at £159 strange..
http://www.tesco.com/direct/sim-free-motorola-moto-g-4th-gen-black/152-7712.prd?pageLevel=&skuId=152-7712

I would not recommend buying a phone from Tesco. If you have an issue with the phone and are even just 1 day over the 30 days initial return period, you will find yourself having to go through a return to base repair scenario. You could be without your phone for up to 2 weeks.

I would rather pay extra for John Lewis's service any day.

​£159 one is not, collecting it tomorrow at my local tesco

Hanging out for it drop to my target price £149.99 pleaseeeeeeee.

Mine was out with Tesco for more than a month because they sent it back with the same fault. They are friendly enough and ended up with an upgraded phone and 1000 Clubcard points but was without a phone for a long time.

Looks like Tesco has got their pricing wrong. The Sim Free version should be the more expensive.

Why would you ever pay £20 more for a locked phone?:smirk:

can anyone prove with a picture that this is dual sim ?

​Someone in this thread bought it and told its dual sim (scroll up to find out

I don't think a picture will help if you don't trust people to tell the truth, because they could just take a photo of one they bought off motomaker. I have no reason to disbelieve the person who said their JL one was dual sim, although someone else has just reported that it is single sim, and I equally believe the person who said their Tesco sim-free version wasn't dual sim.

ok your right

At least if you buy off JL and don't use it, then you can return it if it's not what you want.

Mine has just arrived from Tesco. Its not Dual Sim.

I got mine direct from Motorola and it is dual SIM.

This is a single sim. Just picked it up today.

Someone has just reported that their John Lewis phone was single sim!

Mine arrived from Tesco yesterday and it is single sim

Absolutely superb phone, feels amazing in hand and is VERY VERY light.

is your phone dual sim?

I got mine today from JL, it is white and dual sim

What colour was it, and did you get it from John Lewis? (There are a few similar moto G threads floating around).

Can anyone else who's bought the black one from JL confirm that it also is dual sim?

If anyone has the dual sim , can you please let me know if you can get 4g + 3g at the same time .

On moto chat they claim it can , bit it seems odd no other phone manufacturer can manage to do it using the
same processor and chipset ..

Waterproof now.:smile:

Ha Ha! Good one

The water proofing must have being adding extra bulk, so dispensed with?

Mine came today, seems ok

Is it black or white, and is it dual sim?

Black as that's what I picked and yes.

Just purchased one from JL.

Asked the salesperson if it was dual sim. They couldn't find any information to confirm or deny.

Just opened up the box sadly it's single sim.
Microsd card slot and a micro SIM card only

Will be returning it for a full refund.

Product detail:
Motorola XT1662 RETAIL BLK MOTOG GB Retail 16GB SS

I'm guessing DS probably is the dual sim variant, wonder if any one who has the dual sim version could check the description on the box.


Model: SM4360AE7

Thanks guys, very kind of you to all confirm. I rang John Lewis and I believe / am told they checked some stock, and they said it is definitely single sim.

So it sounds like there are several batches into John Lewis and not all are dual sim

I'd thought that maybe buying a white one might guarantee dual sim, but I'm not convinced now. I'd be loading up a gift card to get 5% off so I can't afford to take a chance and get a refund, I don't buy enough from there.

I spoke to Moto online chat , they confirmed to me that the Moto G4 model they sell is dual sim .

On the Moto forum they say there are 3 models G4 play 16gb single sim ,, G4 16gb dual sim G4+ 32gb dual sim.

They also confirmed on Moto G sales chat that when one sim is on 4g the 2nd sim reverts to 3g .. this I need to see to believe as no other manufacturer has done this with the snapdragon 616 processor ....

I bought mine on Sunday from John Lewis online - it's white, and Dual SIM.

I can confirm that it connects to Vodafone 4G and Three 3G at the same time, although you can only use data on one at a time, as you'd expect.

Hope that helps!

You are correct
Mine is dual sim and on the box it says:
MOTOROLA,XT1622,RETAIL,WHT,Moto G, GB, 16GB, DS

That's what mine says, and is dual sim too. Interesting - so it looks like they have a bunch of white ones at John Lewis that are dual.

Thats great , thanks for taking the time to reply...

Looks like the Black ones are single sim and the white one are dual sim.. Strange though!

Did you buy sim free from tesco?

The SIM Free version from Tesco Direct is single SIM. I can confirm this.

+1 for single sim. (Black, simfree, from Tesco)

+1 for the best value phone I've ever bought.
Absolutely no bloatware. Infact theres no music player (except the Google music one), no independant email client other than Gmail, no gallery app for viewing pics, and not even a web browser installed.

Thats exactly how I want my phones, empty so I can choose all my own apps, not sure if this will be a bad point for some people though who like to just use the ones that are usually on the device.

With what you get on this phone I find it hard to justify spending £400+ on a phone considering how little extra you get for that money...

I'm not sure why there is no Gallery or Browser installed on yours. Google Photos, and Google Chrome were pre-installed on the G4 I'm using (unless you mean in addition to those).

I'm not quite so positive about the G4. The fit and finish on mine is a bit wonky (camera surround is more raised at the bottom, dual-tone flash is skewed, back cover does not fit correctly). The screen is big and bright but mine has really ugly light bleed across the entire bottom edge and the top corners. The main camera is also really underwhelming, considering some of the tech sites have said that its a massive improvement over the Moto G 3rd. I've found it to produce almost identical images to the 3rd, but it struggles in high contrast situations (resulting in blown out skies and no colour in dark areas) more than the 3rd does, and the HDR mode has been toned down so much that it hardly changes the images at all.

These issues are all ok though when you consider the price. It's going to be a bit rough around the edges. I won't be keeping it though cause I can't hold it in one hand without feeling like I'm about to drop it on the floor... It's just too big.

Did you buy yours from John Lewis or motomaker?

Yeah I meant in addition to stuff in the Google pack. I don't really like Google Photos as a browser and usually use the default gallery app on android phones. And yes you're right I did have chrome installed as well, but not the bog standard browser that is just usually called 'web' or 'internet'.

This or the LG G3?

Tesco, SIM Free.

Thank you

Anyone else having problems with phone bought from tesco? Am going to collect my sim free tomorrow..don't want to open it if it might have these problems and will simply return...

Tesco have it for £149

This. I have bought one and they are brilliant. Very light phone.

Used to have a LG G3 but sold it off because of poor battery life and got the moto g 3rd gen. Just got my G4 sim free single sim from tesco today. Absolutely loving it. Yes it got warm+(little more than warm) few times while installing apps or using camera for more than few shots, but not unusable situation.

Contacted John Lewis and they said the black one was dual sim, however it has now arrived and it is single sim. I agree with the theory that outside moto makes the white is dual, black is single

I have white and it's dual sim

based on the spec sheet vodaphone's ultra 6 is same but @ £99? What am I missing?

Good camera, Marshmallow android, good battery and better screen I believe..

Thanks for the reply :smiley:

Is the G4 Plus worth the extra money?

'most' modern android ​6gb ram?
total ****

I'm in the market for a new phone now that my two month old Ulefone Power has gone t*ts up due to a fatal touchscreen malfunction. Lesson learned, only uk sourced phones for me in future. The G4 looks a good phone. Do i understand correctly that it does not come with a mains charger in the box but the G4 Plus does?

It comes with a main charger but a normal low power one. G4 plus comes with a fast charger which charges the phone quickly. I bought a G4 sim free from tesco and came with a charger.

Just ordered a white one from JL ,as it appears from the posts here the white one is Dual sim I will be collecting it tomorrow from Waitrose ,

I hope it will be dual sim , otherwise I will leave it unopened and send it back ...

Is anyone having an issue with overheating? Pboen arrived on Thursday (white, dual sim) and overheated pretty quickly when using the camera, a lot warmer than other phones I have used. Also, the camera isn't as good as I read. Focus is on/off and photos seem a bit grainy.

>> znh . thats bad news I have been looking at forums today and on the official Moto g forum there are lots of overheating problems in India that have not been solved https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-G4-Moto-G4-Plus/bd-p/MotoG4thGen

I wish I had done a bit more research before I ordered one !!!

It looks like it gets hot while charging as well , which wont be much use when using as a satnav while charging in the car ..

Same here.. Gets hot when using camera, gps and installing multiple apps.. Used some temperature apps and showed upto 50c temperature. But got used to it. Basic tasks it won't get much warm. Also camera is crap.. I think the camera on my 3rd gen was much steady and nice.

So it gets hot and the camera is crap ........ I havnt even picked mine up yet , but I think I will send it straight back to JL and get a refund .. From the reviews it sounds great , but from real buyers it sounds a bit of a dog !!!

Motorola advise not using the phone for intensive tasks when the weather is hot. Very reassuring.

If you paid with a Credit Card and it cost over £100, make sure you contact your bank for a full refund for the broken phone :smiley:

Used Paypal. They're ok if the goods fail to arrive or are damaged in transit. Not interested two months down the line. :-(

Just picked up 2 white ones today from John Lewis for my wife and me.
Lovely phones, much better and faster that our previous phones (moto 4g 1st Gen)
I can also confirm that they are dual sim.

thanks op, got mine today, and it was dual sim (white color)

Please don't think John Lewis are good for customer service. Bought a tablet off them in February that hasn't worked properly since I got it and they've basically ignored me until now when they are saying it will need to go away to be repaired leaving me without a tablet for 30 days. I think the days of priding themselves on customer service are long gone.

Help Please ...

Ok I have a Moto g waiting to be collected ,,, I am going to take it back to Australia next week , So the JL warranty would be hard to use.
The main reason i bought it was I need dual sim 4g + 3g on standby as the 2g network in Australia is being turned off in December.

I am not a heavy user , but I do use my phone as a satnav and the moto g is supposed to get hot and lag when charging or using the camera , I normally charge my phone when driving .

If anyone who is using the G4 please let me know what you think of it .

I went on a 2 hour drive yesterday using waze my G4.. All 2 hours its connected to car charger and was fine. Worked perfectly. It got quiet hot but didn't got slow or unresponsive. But at few places When I stopped can clearly see the difference of not having compass on the phone. I had a nexus 6 before and regret coming to G4. Nexus 6 was perfect in every way other than no sd card slot and huge screen.

Price has dropped by 4p. Have amended for OP.

Moto G4 Smartphone, Android, 5.5", 4G LTE, SIM Free, 16GB, Black Now down to £144.95
https://www.johnlewis.com/motorola-moto-g-4th-generation-smartphone-android-5-5-4g-lte-sim-free-16gb/p2789422?colour=Black&s_afcid=af_47868&tmad=c&awc=1203_1490362204_79cdf5a416d11e13b44601f4ee56a806&tmcampid=48