You must be blind then. OLED is superior in every way to standard LED.

I went into a TV shop last year and looked at about 30 TVs at standard distances, trying not to look at the specifications, pay too much attention to the brand etc.

The TV that stood out by an absolute league ahead of everything else was the LG 1080p OLED. I stood there for about 15 minutes struggling to comprehend just how much better these things are than everything else including all of the 4k, quantum dot and everything else being toted....

God only knows how good the 4k OLEDs are.....

then you've evidently never seen one in operation.

i still have a seven year old plasma tv because lcd is, quite frankly, crap. you get motion blur, you get poor contrast ratios, and plasma beats it into a cocked hat.

oled, on the other hand - you get the power usage and colour saturation that you're used to with lcd, but the motion and contrast you get with plasma. it's the best of both worlds. and yes, i know from personal experience - my dad has this exact tv in his house, and it's superb.

as to 4k - complete waste of time, unless you have a screen that's over 65" and/or you sit less than 8ft away from it. the eye is physically incapable of resolving beyond a certain point, and 95% of households sit less than 8ft away. does it make a difference? sure - if you're going to sit close enough to resolve the pixels. most people are borderline for 720p vs 1080p anyway, and that's before you even consider 4k source material availability (next to nil at present) and the fact that HDR has two competing standards at 4k so that's not decided either, and you've got a 50% chance of guessing right.

put it this way: *cinemas* still use 2k (2048x1080) on their screens, which is only a little bit higher than the 1920x1080 (1080p) used for home screens. have you ever thought that a cinema looked grainy? of course not. and those are on comparatively *huge* screens.

tl;dr version: 4k is worthwhile for a few limited use cases, but for 95% of home use 1080p is plenty good enough. you're better off having a high quality 1080p set (OLED, for example) than a 4k crap LCD.

and as for this tv - it's a worthwhile upgrade from any LCD tv (except maybe at the very top end - but then you're talking £3-4k on an LCD, and there are better OLED sets available at that price), but it's a sideways step from plasma. i'd swap my plasma for it, but mainly because it's a larger diagonal, thinner and lighter, and uses a lot less power. picture-wise, though, it's very close. plasma still just edges this set out on fast motion (although in fairness i've not been allowed to switch off all of the pointless image processing!), but the colour range is much better on the OLED.

OLED is similar to Plasma but actually better. OLED > Plasma > LED / LCD

Possible 3% cashback with richer sounds available via quidco :wink:

not 4k why?

£1099 for a 1080p TV am I missing something? Seems expensive. I would have imagined it would have been 4k aswell.

Very good price heat added

Excellent price.

But expect cold votes from Samsung chavs who will be like.. not Bling / doesn't Beeb/ not quadroon Dom/ bling tech ect..

This is quality.

Not SUHD... Quantum dot ect.. which is just rubbish being marketed as something..

getting very tempting at that price...

I do not believe that Organic LED TV is much better than ordinary 1k TV let alone 4k ?
It is just a way from LG and Panasonict to allow them to sell their TV on premium price.

Wow great price for OLED TV.... Hot!!!

Brrrrrrrrrr instore only

Ho Guys

Di you notice that I said
I do not believe that OLED TV is MUCH better than ordinary LED 1k TV let alone 4k ??
You could get 55" 1080p LED for les than half of this price. It is difficult to justify to pay double for not much improvement. Is it not better to invest in 4K just, it more expensive but you could play 4k movie properly ??

didnt some cherry healy show tell everyone larger screen size is only important if you want to sit further away..

i was thinking you could get 5K 27" apple mac for £1450 - so you get good computer with 1 terrabyte hard drive as well as better than 4K screen

am i missing something?

I'd rather have 1080p OLED over 5k IPS, IPS glow does my head in. Hell, I'd take VA over IPS.

RSPC, BBC, FBI, WTF

then you've evidently never seen one in operation.

i still have a seven year old plasma tv because lcd is, quite frankly, crap. you get motion blur, you get poor contrast ratios, and plasma beats it into a cocked hat.

oled, on the other hand - you get the power usage and colour saturation that you're used to with lcd, but the motion and contrast you get with plasma. it's the best of both worlds. and yes, i know from personal experience - my dad has this exact tv in his house, and it's superb.

as to 4k - complete waste of time, unless you have a screen that's over 65" and/or you sit less than 8ft away from it. the eye is physically incapable of resolving beyond a certain point, and 95% of households sit less than 8ft away. does it make a difference? sure - if you're going to sit close enough to resolve the pixels. most people are borderline for 720p vs 1080p anyway, and that's before you even consider 4k source material availability (next to nil at present) and the fact that HDR has two competing standards at 4k so that's not decided either, and you've got a 50% chance of guessing right.

put it this way: *cinemas* still use 2k (2048x1080) on their screens, which is only a little bit higher than the 1920x1080 (1080p) used for home screens. have you ever thought that a cinema looked grainy? of course not. and those are on comparatively *huge* screens.

tl;dr version: 4k is worthwhile for a few limited use cases, but for 95% of home use 1080p is plenty good enough. you're better off having a high quality 1080p set (OLED, for example) than a 4k crap LCD.

and as for this tv - it's a worthwhile upgrade from any LCD tv (except maybe at the very top end - but then you're talking £3-4k on an LCD, and there are better OLED sets available at that price), but it's a sideways step from plasma. i'd swap my plasma for it, but mainly because it's a larger diagonal, thinner and lighter, and uses a lot less power. picture-wise, though, it's very close. plasma still just edges this set out on fast motion (although in fairness i've not been allowed to switch off all of the pointless image processing!), but the colour range is much better on the OLED.

I went into a TV shop last year and looked at about 30 TVs at standard distances, trying not to look at the specifications, pay too much attention to the brand etc.

The TV that stood out by an absolute league ahead of everything else was the LG 1080p OLED. I stood there for about 15 minutes struggling to comprehend just how much better these things are than everything else including all of the 4k, quantum dot and everything else being toted....

God only knows how good the 4k OLEDs are.....

​banding, ghosting, dirty screen effect, poor blacks, you clearly have no clue what makes a decent picture in terms of a tv.

oled is superior in every way. like comparing rolls royce with lada

Well, people are selling their 1080p 55" plasma on ebay for less than £200. If you play a waiting game You could even get it for less than £100 collect in person as not many people want it and it is difficult to p&p it.
People do not want it as it is very heavy and the energy will cost them a fortune.

I am aware that OLED is LED so a siginifaicnt improvement but cost twice as many as no organic LED for the same size ... Is it worthy to invest ??

Don't know where you'll find a good 55 plasma for 200 quid. Last panasonic plasmas are still selling for 1500 quid. People are selling 50 inch 10 year old pioneer Kuros for 600-800 quid.

OLED is a new technology that delivers a superior picture quality. At this price, the TV is a steal, to get anything close to that picture quality in 4k you'll need to spend at least twice as much.

Got this very same panel. Excellent TV for the money.

Randomly checked
The new one £300
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-Kuro-PDP-LX5090-50inch-Plasma-TV-/322152094122?hash=item4b01c2d9aa:g:dsMAAOSwdV1XN4DC

In Auction Pioneer PDP-508XD Kuro 50" Plasma HD Television. Currently £62 but it is highly likely it will exceed £200 at the end
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-PDP-508XD-Kuro-50-Plasma-HD-Television-/222148597796?hash=item33b9169824:g:ZRAAAOSw~oFXD~uo
In the past, I have seen a lot of them on eBay. If I want it and I play a waiting game I could get it for around £100 - £150. I just simply do not like them as it is too heavy ...

There is very little 4k material as it is, and no 5k or a few years.

absolute bargain. I've had one for almost 5 months and I paid 1799. only TV I would swap my plasma for, stunning picture. Have to agree with bladesUK.

The 930V is also on sale for the same price,

http://www.richersounds.com/product/tv---all/lg/55ec930v/lg-55ec930v

Anyone know the difference?

Prefer JL as they deliver + dispose/install

Thanks pal, sod this Oled 1080p lark for £1000 for a laugh, bagged me a plasma on eBay !! Cheap as chips!

And if it stops working you can always use for a bit of weight training...

I don't want a curved screen. £1700 more for flat :-(

Well he's probably the only one to have access to any 4k content....

Got myself a Panasonic zt65, gonna wait till oled matures a bit more and they work out all the kinks.

​BT and Sky are coming with 4k boxes. Playstation and xbox are both coming with 4k ray. All the new movies and shows are being recorded in 4k. 1080p is already history.

Plasma is finished. That's why no new TVs come in Plasma and all plasma factories closed. It is electricity waster and bad for eyesight. Just go to any rubbish collection . Lots of Plasma for you you to collect from there for free and flog for a profit :smile:

Bad for eyesight, yes right.

Good point, will be money wasted

Great post, heat added.
Keep in mind though that OLED panels' main feature are the perfect blacks because the pixels switch off completely: there are quite a few LEDs that can reproduce almost the same quality of blacks, costing half that amount. Don't get me wrong, it's a great TV and an awesome deal, I'd hit it, if I needed one, but it's good to judge things as objectively as possible.
Also, bear in mind that OLEDs' price will be going further down during the next months. They'll drop below the grand until the end of summer.

OLED is not the same as an 'LED' TV. LED is merely LED-backlit LCD, rather than the old-style CCFL-backlit LED. It's only the source of the back light that's changed between LCD and LED. OLED is something completely different that doesn't use a backlight at all.

forgive me if you already know this, but i'll run through it in case you aren't. LCD tvs are a thin liquid crystal film that, when you pass an electrical current through them, twists the crystals to only allow a certain amount of light through. If there's no light behind it, you don't get a picture. It's basically only a filter in front of a light. Unfortunately, even when they're fully closed, there's still a backlight behind them that's on full. There's some local dimming on newer sets, but that only means they switch the backlight down a bit on parts of the screen, and you end up with a picture that's now got variable backlights and an inconsistent presentation. not ideal, by a long stretch.

OLED, however, emits light directly in the same way that a plasma pixel does. It doesn't require a backlight, so when it's 'off' there's a proper, deep black, which gives you better contrast by miles. It's also more responsive than LCD because it doesn't require time to untwist the crystal when the current is switched off (which is one of the causes of blur and ghosting on an LCD - it can't update quickly enough).

OLED, basically, is the best of both worlds, and worth picking up. That said, if you can get a good (i.e. panasonic) 1080p plasma, the picture quality will be comparable to OLED (if not quite as vibrant and colourful - although if you calibrate it properly, that mostly becomes irrelevant). The only negative is the current high price - but they are starting to come down, and will likely take over completely from LCD once the manufacturing volumes increase letting the price drop even further.

4k *capable* boxes. they're not recording in 4k. think how long it took them to switch from SD to HD tv - and then think about the money they've shoved into 3D for that to fall over. Most digital cinema stuff is recorded at 4k, true. but even cinemas often only play back in 2k - and you know how big those screens are, right? tv shows generally get mastered to 1080p, and the bandwidth required for live 4k sports, for example, is mostly prohibitive. netflix recommends a minimum of 10mb for watching their stuff - 4k will quadruple that requirement, or thereabouts, and most people in the uk don't get that kind of bandwidth.

4k is just another gimmick to sell sets to people who don't realise that they won't be able to see the difference under normal use. A rough rule of thumb is that if you sit 1.5 times the diagonal size of your tv away from it, then you won't be able to tell the different between 720p and 1080p - let alone 4k. for reference, that's a shade over 6ft away from a 50" screen. most people sit around 8ft away. at that distance, a 65" tv will be on the border where you might start to see the benefit of 1080p. *might*. for 4k? you'd need something in excess of 75" at that distance to stand a chance of seeing the difference.

basically, if you're sitting a few feet away, sure, go for it. if you've got a *huge* tv, maybe. for most people? completely and utterly pointless.

generally speaking, 1080p and up is more than adequate - and you're better off getting a higher quality 1080p set than a low quality 4k one.

plasma was killed off by the manufacturers because they couldn't compete on price with LCD, that's all. there's no risk to eyesight with plasma tvs at all. they weren't perfect by any means - fewer on-screen colours, higher power usage, and the older sets had issues with burn-in - but for anything involving motion (e.g. sports, action movies, gaming) they were miles better than LCD. unfortunately, they were much heavier, and had to be transported upright, meaning that they were more expensive to shift around than LCD, which could just be thrown in any old way and in higher volumes with less risk of breakage in transport.
OLED will kill LCD off in short order, once the manufacturing cost comes down a little. right now, LG are the only people selling OLED, and as such their monopoly keeps the price up. they reckon they have a 2-3 year lead thanks to their white OLED, but realistically it's just a matter of time.

People........ It's £1100 for a reason, it's actually worse than buying a Tesco Blaupunkt... 1st generation LG OLEDs were simply a gimmick and a joke with a price to match....

Gone back up to 1300.

I love all thelse comments.
I bet there are a few members here from AV Forums !!

£300 one doesn't actually work :wink:

"The screen is currently not working but i have spoken to a number of tv engineers/specialists who have said that the problem can be fixed for a reasonable price."

With the exception of bluray the other sources are not suppose to be good quality 4k feeds so you are still limited. Still u appear to swallow the marketing bs and be quite happy with 4k.

​You can play 1080p on 4k TV but not the other way around. 4k is not just 4k resolution only It is set of technologies like hdmi 2.0, hdcp 2.2, hevc, Hdr and 4k etc. It is already real.

I agree with most of the comments about 4k not being necessary, due to the lack of 4k material. There is some on amazon, but where it really comes into its own is if you use it as a large photo frame. I am not sure if many people do this but it is awesome while playing background music. Just a thought. FWIW if I was getting a TV I would probably have a OLED over 4K.

Yes but not only are you paying more for a 4k good TV you will also pay more for questionable quality 4k feeds; for most people it's not worth it. Great if you spend loads of time watching TV or have plenty of money.

showing 1399?

​4k TVs are selling same price as 1080p was last year. Its only retailers who have old stock are panicking and getting rid of old 1080p stock with crazy deals before more people know about 4k.

But for a good 4K TV is has to be OLED. Non-OLED 4K TVs are cheaper but have a poorer pciture.
I agree that there seem to be some good deals on non-4k TVs; I'm hoping to bag one myself.

Well, Do you really need a training course to spot a deal on eBay. I just need to spend a few seconds to spot this deals; even cheaper £200 by it now price “Fantastic condition” according to description.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-Kuro-PDP-LX5090-/162114504131?hash=item25bec705c3:g:krIAAOSwnNBXZ8le

Another one £250 “Used but it very good condition. No defects”
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pioneer-PDP-LX508D-50-Plasma-TV-/252436770334?hash=item3ac6676e1e:g:icoAAOSwtUtXA2cx

The previous one I have posted currently £84.00 on auction with 1 day 5 hours left.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/222148597796?clk_rvr_id=1051965981775&rmvSB=true

It is up to people here to believe my post regarding how cheap used plasma TV on eBay is. If I really want it, I could easily get 50" plasma for less than £200 in London Cash on Collection but I do not want them, I do not need them either. I have seen a few in the past. The reason for that is simple, people are moving flat, this item is too big and heavy, frigile to be taken with you or to be posted, do not fit to the new flat, etc. Also think about it if you own it like the electricity bill, very heavy to lift / move it by your own as they are quite heavy.

All you will need to do is the waiting game. If you need it urgently then the eBay deal is not for you ...

If you do go Plasma make sure it is the last of the line Panasonic, ie the 60/65 range.
These were the only ones that beat the Kuro, the 50 series and lower were not as good.

Price back to £1399

shame this has gone back up it was a steal at 1K

Agree, I have pioneer Kuro KRP-500M and still loves it. Once OLED 4k becomes bit more affordable, will replace it.