anyone get the feeling someone bought slow ram and put it in a fast board?
anyone get the feeling they are trying hard to justify their purchase to themselves and so cant concede the point i'm right and they aren't without admitting to themselves they aren't as smart as they thought?
Agharta to Syst3mzero
16 Jun 16#18
I only have one PC and it's an ultra-book with soldered RAM so no upgrades for me. :smiley:
I did used to own an Asus Z97 mITX board with which I used DDR3-1600 and I bought it for the other features not to run the RAM at speeds that make no difference to me. YMMV. :wink:
Syst3mzero
16 Jun 16#16
LOL
Agharta
16 Jun 16#15
You’ve overlooked the other differences between the chipsets. Some people buy Z series boards because they tend to be the ones with multiple M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 slots due to Z170 having more PCIe lanes than H170 and it being more configurable with regard to PCIe.
Do you want Thunderbolt or DisplayPort or USB 3.1 Gen 2 or all of those plus multiple M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 then the chances are you will either have to buy a Z170 board or there may be a very limited choice of H170 boards that cover your needs if they don’t cover all of those features.
See Anandtech for details - LINK:
You choose a motherboard based on the features you need and that will dictate which chipset you are likely to use. Even if you go with a Z170 and over-clock the CPU that doesn’t mean the software you run will benefit much if at all from running the RAM above 2,133.
With DDR4 now very cheap I agree that if you can buy say 16GB of 2,400 for £10 more than 2,133 then it’s not a waste to do that; don’t think it matters much either way.
But if you are using 32GB to 64GB and go for DDR4 3,000 then I think the price difference starts to make it look very poor value.
So as I said at the beginning there are many different usage models for PCs and other people clearly have different values than yourself. Have a good day.
Hootwo
16 Jun 16#14
weird, how abusive and worked up people get on HUKD.
Agharta presents a different viewpoint and you hammer him into the ground.
Welcome to my 'Ignore' list ...
Syst3mzero
16 Jun 16#13
LOL
dear troll,
pay attention to what I have said not what you presume I have, what you think I have said and what I have said are 2 different things.
I have said this ram if fine but pairing it with a z170 (motherboard for overclocking) rather than a h170 (pretty much the same but not for overclocking) is insane when this ram is not for overclocking.
you posted an off topic link, because if you pay the premium for a z170 board then refuse to pay the premium for ram you lost your price to performance argument already.
now get this into your super thick, poorly educated skull, this ram is fine just not idiotically paired with a z170.
if you don't get it now, then ****, there is no hope for you.
I'm out because either you can see my point or you are too dumb to ever be able see my point.
Agharta
15 Jun 16#12
"After spending dozens of hours benchmarking ten different memory speeds on the Intel Z170 + Skylake platform we must admit that we are too shocked by the findings. Our benchmarks show that the memory bandwidth increased, but there wasn’t a tangible improvement in system performance with real applications. We ran other applications and game titles when we tested this memory kit and you mostly ended up with flat performance charts like you saw in Handbrake or any of the game titles that we tested today."
lol, name one thing that doesn't scale performance for ram speed but does benefit from having a z170 board. I never said this ram wasn't applicable for some people with lower requirements just pairing it with a performance board was a messed up move.
Cad, compression, gaming, video editing and audio editing all scale with faster ram and those are the heaviest applications off the top of my head.
really you just wanted to troll didn't you... would have worked better if you had a clue about the subject.
michaelb1967
14 Jun 16#10
Good value
Agharta
14 Jun 162#9
I think you have over-clocked your hyperbole to maximum settings! :smiley:
When choosing RAM look at what applications you use regularly, how they scale with RAM speeds and whether any performance increase offer meaning or value to you.
For many that means it is pointless to go beyond 2,133 even if you have a Z series chipset with a K series CPU.
There's is rarely a one size fits all solution as you suggested; think outside your own usage patterns and values young man! :wink:
Syst3mzero
14 Jun 161#8
No, no it isn't.
this is ram that claims a set speed, any overclock you can get on it is coincidental, it has not been approved for an oc.
other ram for example
Seriously there is nothing wrong with the ram in this thread, the price is incredible for the performance but putting that ram in a z170 or a x99 board makes as much sense as taking a smart car round the Nürburgring... its just not going to be satisfying.
the ram in this deal paired with a h170 and a i5 6600 (not k) and you have a mid range game machine. that's fine but I just cant stress how wrong this ram and an unlocked board would be, its somewhere between a 40 year old man singing along to Justin Bieber, and buying your own mother crotchless knickers for her birthday.
itsvinod2k
14 Jun 16#7
will this go with TS140 server ?
shaunmorgan3994881
14 Jun 161#4
Jeez, firstly P_K this isnt a PSU, its Ram.
Secondly, of course it isnt ideal, BUT to get you "up and running" its fine.
P_K to shaunmorgan3994881
14 Jun 16#6
the same RAM yes, same quality yes/no?
I think you know full well the point that was being made
to clarify - why put together a decent system (z170/x99) with no thrills RAM. Myself I would rather go with a more quality product brand with OC headroom - you'll find the prices compare favourably with the price of the deal:
one piece, 8GB, no thrills, 2133MHz, DDR4, no heatsink and questionable OC headroom (now for Prime and non Prime members) = £18.99
one piece, 8GB, Kingston Fury Black, 2133MHz, DDR4, with heatsink and OC friendly = £25 to £29
I will agree that there is nothing wrong with Crucial memory per say - I've used it before, but I (and it's just my opinion) tend to think why put together a decent rig for several hundred pounds and skimp out on some components for the sake of a few quid, each to their own.
reviews show that the pieces in question are not the best for overclocking - however the OP might not be looking for any OC headroom
miaomiaobaubau
14 Jun 161#5
this is the same ram you get at higher price, it is without heatsink and can be easily overclocked hoping that this is the true speed which it is I think 100%
P_K
14 Jun 16#3
why get a nice new motherboard Z170/X99 and put this cheapo RAM in it?
I always used to laugh at folks putting together mid range gaming rigs but cheaping out on the PSU
Syst3mzero
14 Jun 16#2
this really isn't the ram you would use with the z170 or x99 boards unless you were seriously messed up in the head.
this is the ram you might use in a h170, a budget board, a non overclockable board.
sticking slow ram like this in a z170 would be a waste of a good board.
what else you going to put in this z170? an i3 6100? a Radeon r7 260? pffffff
shaunmorgan3994881
14 Jun 16#1
Now really is the time to move to z170/x99 as memory ain't ever gonna be this cheap again in my view.
*Ram in general guys, not just this variety.
Most folk find the change of platform difficult due to new Ram/Mobo AND CPU. This allows youi to buy some time till you can afford some more appropriate "performance" ram.
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anyone get the feeling they are trying hard to justify their purchase to themselves and so cant concede the point i'm right and they aren't without admitting to themselves they aren't as smart as they thought?
I did used to own an Asus Z97 mITX board with which I used DDR3-1600 and I bought it for the other features not to run the RAM at speeds that make no difference to me. YMMV. :wink:
Do you want Thunderbolt or DisplayPort or USB 3.1 Gen 2 or all of those plus multiple M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 then the chances are you will either have to buy a Z170 board or there may be a very limited choice of H170 boards that cover your needs if they don’t cover all of those features.
See Anandtech for details - LINK:
You choose a motherboard based on the features you need and that will dictate which chipset you are likely to use. Even if you go with a Z170 and over-clock the CPU that doesn’t mean the software you run will benefit much if at all from running the RAM above 2,133.
With DDR4 now very cheap I agree that if you can buy say 16GB of 2,400 for £10 more than 2,133 then it’s not a waste to do that; don’t think it matters much either way.
But if you are using 32GB to 64GB and go for DDR4 3,000 then I think the price difference starts to make it look very poor value.
So as I said at the beginning there are many different usage models for PCs and other people clearly have different values than yourself. Have a good day.
Agharta presents a different viewpoint and you hammer him into the ground.
Welcome to my 'Ignore' list ...
dear troll,
pay attention to what I have said not what you presume I have, what you think I have said and what I have said are 2 different things.
I have said this ram if fine but pairing it with a z170 (motherboard for overclocking) rather than a h170 (pretty much the same but not for overclocking) is insane when this ram is not for overclocking.
you posted an off topic link, because if you pay the premium for a z170 board then refuse to pay the premium for ram you lost your price to performance argument already.
now get this into your super thick, poorly educated skull, this ram is fine just not idiotically paired with a z170.
if you don't get it now, then ****, there is no hope for you.
I'm out because either you can see my point or you are too dumb to ever be able see my point.
Read more at http://www.legitreviews.com/ddr4-memory-scaling-intel-z170-finding-the-best-ddr4-memory-kit-speed_170340/6#JkvGZ8lAvZIcbwt0.99"
Cad, compression, gaming, video editing and audio editing all scale with faster ram and those are the heaviest applications off the top of my head.
really you just wanted to troll didn't you... would have worked better if you had a clue about the subject.
When choosing RAM look at what applications you use regularly, how they scale with RAM speeds and whether any performance increase offer meaning or value to you.
For many that means it is pointless to go beyond 2,133 even if you have a Z series chipset with a K series CPU.
There's is rarely a one size fits all solution as you suggested; think outside your own usage patterns and values young man! :wink:
this is ram that claims a set speed, any overclock you can get on it is coincidental, it has not been approved for an oc.
other ram for example
a touch faster-
http://www.ebuyer.com/711713-corsair-vengeance-lpx-red-8gb-1x8gb-ddr4-2400mhz-1-2v-standard-dimm-cmk8gx4m1a2400c14r
a little faster again-
http://www.ebuyer.com/719387-corsair-vengeance-lpx-8gb-1x8gb-ddr4-dram-2666mhz-c16-memory-kit-cmk8gx4m1a2666c16
still quite fast but twice as much ram like any good z170 or x99 at least deserves-
http://www.ebuyer.com/720293-hyperx-16gb-2x8gb-2666mhz-ddr4-non-ecc-cl15-1-2v-memory-hx426c15fbk2-16
Minimum required spec to be allowed to play with the big boys-
http://www.ebuyer.com/743019-corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3000mhz-c15-memory-kit-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15b
Seriously there is nothing wrong with the ram in this thread, the price is incredible for the performance but putting that ram in a z170 or a x99 board makes as much sense as taking a smart car round the Nürburgring... its just not going to be satisfying.
the ram in this deal paired with a h170 and a i5 6600 (not k) and you have a mid range game machine. that's fine but I just cant stress how wrong this ram and an unlocked board would be, its somewhere between a 40 year old man singing along to Justin Bieber, and buying your own mother crotchless knickers for her birthday.
Secondly, of course it isnt ideal, BUT to get you "up and running" its fine.
I think you know full well the point that was being made
to clarify - why put together a decent system (z170/x99) with no thrills RAM. Myself I would rather go with a more quality product brand with OC headroom - you'll find the prices compare favourably with the price of the deal:
one piece, 8GB, no thrills, 2133MHz, DDR4, no heatsink and questionable OC headroom (now for Prime and non Prime members) = £18.99
one piece, 8GB, Kingston Fury Black, 2133MHz, DDR4, with heatsink and OC friendly = £25 to £29
I will agree that there is nothing wrong with Crucial memory per say - I've used it before, but I (and it's just my opinion) tend to think why put together a decent rig for several hundred pounds and skimp out on some components for the sake of a few quid, each to their own.
reviews show that the pieces in question are not the best for overclocking - however the OP might not be looking for any OC headroom
I always used to laugh at folks putting together mid range gaming rigs but cheaping out on the PSU
this is the ram you might use in a h170, a budget board, a non overclockable board.
sticking slow ram like this in a z170 would be a waste of a good board.
what else you going to put in this z170? an i3 6100? a Radeon r7 260? pffffff
*Ram in general guys, not just this variety.
Most folk find the change of platform difficult due to new Ram/Mobo AND CPU. This allows youi to buy some time till you can afford some more appropriate "performance" ram.