I can only tell you what I have on the special buys leaflet now as this was not on the Aldi UK website as of posting.
Its an inverter generator but its not stated if its pure sinewave or square wave which is important if you plan to run an inductive load such as a compressor or microwave
Will run 'sensitive electronics' but so will a square wave uninterruptible power supply so that means nothing. Says it will run power tools so maybe?? sine wave?!
Is it better than all the other Chinese suitcase Genny offerings, such as Clarke, Ryobi, Kipor, Hyundai? Not sure but its a massive 5 year warranty!!!!
There are many a Kipor (which some rave about) on eBay with broken inverter boards which renders them useless due to the prohibitive cost of a replacement one.
I think this is 4 stroke as its reasonably quiet (69dB at 7 metres) compared to Honda's flagship EU2000i which is 59db (full load) but 4 times the price. It also says runs on regular unleaded but info is vague.
From the picture it looks like it has a smart throttle to adjust revs to load and 12 volt output, again not in the description.
I wouldn't run this on a campsite unless you have a very long lead and could put it in the next field but its pictured on a caravan site.
I have a Honda Eu2000i running on LPG gas and a Honda Ex650. I know a bit about cheap Chinese generators and their pitfalls. E.g. dodgy power capacitors on the inverter, oil leaks, fuel leaks, carburettor / fuel pump probs etc.
I recommend running one in on 3/4 load to check for oil leaks which usually come from the oil level sensor.
Always use a fuel additive to inhibit fuel deterioration, I.e. varnishing which blocks the carbs. Drain fuel and run the Genny till it stops to get any residual fuel out of the carb if not using for long periods. A lot of carbs have a drain screw for the carb float bowl which makes life easier
Replace the stock spark plug with an NGK as the stock ones usually cause warm start problems.
If you can fit a decent inline fuel filter between the fuel tank and carb without voiding warranty, do so. Don't pick the cheapest, smallest filter, especially if there is no fuel pump (it varies, some are just gravity fed) or you risk fuel starvation.
Don't pull the starter cord if you are not on a level with the Genny. I've seen many with damage to the Genny case and starter cord from the cord being pulled up at a sharp angle.
Check the manufacturers handbook re. air filter cleaning, changing (and oiling sponge type) and don't run on sand or sandy soil as it will draw all the crap into the air filter
Happy camping etc. Please give me some credit for this. I did it all on a mobile with the HUKD app which is far from perfect.
Top comments
rharper83
27 Jun 1613#1
Heat purely for the detailed post - not sure if it's a deal or not, but certainly doesn't look like it should be cold!
VDisillusioned to NasaEqualsReligion
27 Jun 167#5
You don't need a generator mate. You need something like this.:smiley:
badgerman2
27 Jun 163#12
Heat added for a great listing.
I have absolutely no need for a genny, but this post has made me strangely keen to buy one. Ah, the seductive power of HUKD. :man:
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rharper83
27 Jun 1613#1
Heat purely for the detailed post - not sure if it's a deal or not, but certainly doesn't look like it should be cold!
bharak
27 Jun 16#2
Not bad. Will have to check it out.
Gollywood
27 Jun 162#3
What a great post! I understood very little of it but I bow to your vastly superior knowledge!
NasaEqualsReligion
27 Jun 162#4
I am certainly dont need one, but will buy in case there will be man made fake alien invasion in order to solidify new religion. Or other events, like... supposed sun activity will cause electricity problems ( while it will be man made electromagnetic pulse, with so called particle accelerator).
Why fo they need global artificial crisis?
To unite the world.
VDisillusioned to NasaEqualsReligion
27 Jun 167#5
You don't need a generator mate. You need something like this.:smiley:
kev72 to NasaEqualsReligion
27 Jun 161#8
You my friend are wide awake and I am being very sincere
RESPECT 2 U for your effort in educating the less knowledgeable....... A True Gent;-))
weta46
27 Jun 16#9
Heat for an excellent and extremely informative post.
lurch
27 Jun 16#10
I and other people I know have had a couple of the el cheapo 50 quid generators and they had all failed in someway after a short amount of use. I since bought a Clarke inverter generator and it's been spot on. If you want to run sensitive electrical equipment you'll need an inverter generator like the Aldi one to provide 'clean' power as it converts AC to DC then back to AC again. Not sure if the Aldi one does buy my Clarke one has an eco-throttle setting which automatically adjusts engine speed to match power requirements so if you've only got a single light plugged in for example it won't run at full speed.
Jules_HT
27 Jun 161#11
You've given me a problem here- been considering an invertor genny for my caravan, but don't really know if I'll use it as much as I think I will. Is this really nearer the Honda than the £50 ebay specials though, I am wondering. I have quite a bit of Aldi kit and it's variable in quality to say the least.
gazdoubleu to Jules_HT
27 Jun 16#16
If you are only going to use occasionally, maybe look at upgrading your leisure battery and getting a decent inverter / solar panel setup. I bought a used Studer S12 inverter, coupled with a 100w solar panel and 120amp battery. The inverter was heavier than more modern switching inverters but bomb proof and pure sinewave. My favourite Genny for occasional use is my Honda EX650. You can only get them secondhand but they really hold their value. Their output is really clean albeit older non inverter technology. I've put an oscilloscope across a loaded one & was amazed how clean the output was. The downside is that they are only 500watt but the upside is that imho they are quieter than all the Honda EU series inverter generators and a more 'pleasant' low frequency sound.
badgerman2
27 Jun 163#12
Heat added for a great listing.
I have absolutely no need for a genny, but this post has made me strangely keen to buy one. Ah, the seductive power of HUKD. :man:
gjhukd
27 Jun 162#13
Thinking of getting one to use as a power bank for my phone!
meglaman2000
27 Jun 16#14
If you want the best generator on the market, but a Honda eu series, but they are expensive.
If you want the best value for money, buy a Champion (about £100 more than this one)
I would have thought there is a pretty big risk on a genny this cheap, have a good look at the reviews of the cheaper ones on the web.
This one looks like a "Workzone Titanium+" generator.
tipperman
27 Jun 162#15
Heat from me for the information, poster is a credit to HUKD !
deany76
27 Jun 161#17
Impressive OP
seaniboy
27 Jun 161#18
£2.50? this is hukd not Mayfair
Also:
I thought Argos had expensive deliveries... "A delivery fee of £2.99 for the first Amazon Pantry box and 99p for each additional box in the same order."
I hope you get a Amazon Prime discount on that, rip off, if you buy a few say 4 thats £10, + £2.99 + £2.97 LOL
Looks like it'll be over my 25kg limit before I've even put anything in it. I'm out.
Biggunspaul
28 Jun 162#26
What is it with things like these,I don't need one but I want to own one,just like I don't need a chainsaw or a ride on lawnmower but if it runs on petrol and makes a noise then it's a must.
I think I must be turning into Tim the tool an Taylor
No EX650, for sure, but it's a reasonable price for the output, and the 5 year warranty (probably return to base, though - costly) provides some reassurance. Sold an EX650 a while back at a very good price (they do hold their value incredibly well) because it was used so little that the maintenance became a chore. Unless these things are used regularly they become a real pain to start when you do want to use them - and that was the Honda!
coco2007
28 Jun 16#29
Hot UK Generator Guides.
Heated for the info :wink:
endo123
28 Jun 16#30
Who's Genny?
r401caw
28 Jun 16#31
Spot on - I made the mistake of buying a not so cheap Kippor 2kw suitcase generator. OK when it's working but now card has failed. I bought a 2nd hand Honda powered unit for less than the price of the card. Protect our office computers with a UPS and power outs are no longer a problem. When it comes to gensets you can't go wrong with Honda - same old story - you get what you pay for.
Incognitoso
28 Jun 16#32
Do not know anything about generators make ...... but i know for sure names starting with Titanium, Titan , Energy , Power etc finish cheap make for 1 - 3 usage and then brakes
Some logic need to apply if you buy for 2 pounds it does not matter will break goes to rubbish bin ,
Now tools , generator when they break when you need them it is worst what can happen Swearing your self that can NOT finish job or need to buy new tools again
I have same in the past bought cheap for say 40 Pound tool looks ok and price good but when you need them for house renovation works they simply breaks and you have not finished work and need new tools again .
You can not wait for warranty to fix need to finish job So then again 40 Pounds so you spend 80 Pounds on x 2 Cheap tools when you can buy 1 makita, bosh and it will last
VDisillusioned
28 Jun 161#33
Indeed, we had one already last Saturday - the first in years.
OK so the thunderstorm that caused it had nothing to do with Brexit but it did feel like some sort of portent of doom.....
Chiptivo
28 Jun 162#34
The thunderstorm was god striking us because of our little minded selfish behavior last Thursday. X
crazylegs
28 Jun 16#35
Works out £54 quid a year over the 5 years
No brainer really if your in the market for one, 5 year warranty kills it!
Newbold
28 Jun 162#36
Too right. England - now seen internationally and by our young people as the most selfish and stupid country on the planet.
saayinla
28 Jun 16#37
SO what would be the source of power for this Invert/gen, Can this be powered by Solar?
Newbold
28 Jun 16#38
Certainly. No problem. Just place it on your nearest Sun.
gazdoubleu
28 Jun 16#39
My EX650 always starts 2nd time after being laid up for the winter. I use Briggs and Stratton fuel Stabiliser all the time so don't have to worry about the fuel going off but never leave fuel for more than 3 months in rhe machine as it loses its Octane. Its so easy to drain the carb of fuel from Honda's that, if in doubt how long the Genny is gonna be laid up, drain the carb. My Honda EU 2000 is always ready to run in case of EU Armageddon lol, even managed to find an adaptor to run it off those cheap aerosol gas canisters you get for picnic stoves.
saayinla
28 Jun 16#40
As detailed as the OP's post is, there was not a single mention of Petrol which powers this device , hence my question.
gazdoubleu
28 Jun 161#41
I think people might have assumed you know what 'regular unleaded' was, you can run generators from all sorts of fossil fuels and probably hydrogen ( if you have some) they are basically a lawnmower or go Kart engine with some sort of alternator and in this case some fancy electronics I.e. an inverter built in.
lottyd
28 Jun 16#42
I haven't a clue what this is all about but I am amazed that all this info was all done on your mobile. Heat to you:)
poisondwarf
28 Jun 16#43
How long does the Genny run for on one hand of those little cannisters?
gazdoubleu
28 Jun 16#44
Depends on the load but only up to an hour
alanbraggins
30 Jun 16#45
Now on UK Aldi site, says "Sine wave gives clean, stable voltage and reliable power for sensitive electronics"
(And "Runs on regular unleaded petrol" for the poster who didn't find "regular unleaded" explicit enough. "Could I use just the inverter part with a solar panel, and run the generator only when it's dark" isn't a totally stupid question, but I doubt it's worth trying to adapt it like that, and could be dangerous if you get it wrong.)
gazdoubleu
30 Jun 161#46
Still a bit of doubt as whether a pure sine as a modified square wave can be a called sine wave.
Inverter generators use high frequency multiphase alternators. Its highly unlikely that you could just tap into the input stage of the inverter with a solar panel input. The inverter boards are encapsulated in epoxy resin and bonded to an aluminium heatsink so you really can't re-engineer them. Even a conventional solar/inverter setup needs an energy reservoir I.e. a battery as the output of a solar panel is much less predictable than a microprocessor controlled engine.
poisondwarf
30 Jun 16#47
Pure sine wave?
Square wave?
I know that I need something a bit more upmarket that a 60 quid 2 stroke genny from Aldi to run a modern tele, or a laptop?
What else would i need a sine wave genny for?
Also, what is it with the Kipor boards failing?
I take it that they are not reliable?
gazdoubleu
30 Jun 162#48
Pure Sine wave alternating current is is what you get out of the household mains. In one cycle (1/50th of a second the voltage smoothly rises from zero to 324 (or so) volts, back to zero, then the polarity changes (current flows in a different direction) and the voltage rises smoothly again to 324 volts and smoothly back to zero. 50hz means the voltage (and current)does this at 50 times a second.
In a square wave inverter the same rise and fall in voltage occurs in an abrupt way. Crude ones consist of a pair of transistors switching the current on an off at 50 times a second but the output is not considered 'clean' like the mains. A cheap telly with a cheap power supply might not be able to handle abrubt voltage changes, its designed to work with smooth sinewave transitions and you may get a buzzing sound in the audio and the power supply may overheat or at least have a shortened lifetime. Computers are a different beast. The switched mode power supply in a computer is very much like a cheap square wave inverter to convert mains voltages to usable voltages with small high frequency transformers. They output their own 'noisy' voltages but the capacitors and inductors etc in the power supply are designed to smooth that noise into DC voltages that the motherboard can cope with. Inductive load devices such as high end audio devices, some TV's, mains clocks, microwaves and most AC motorised devices don't run well with square wave inverters and prolonged usage causes overheating and more damage to these devices than might a good quality 'builders' generator with a good speed governor. Regular heating devices such as kettles, toasters, boilers and incandescent filament lights are least sensitive to square wave inverters, these are 'resistive load' devices.
poisondwarf
3 Jul 16#49
good deal, voted hot
And thanks to gazdoubleu for your explanation
newsgroupmonkey
5 Jul 16#50
Mishania
8 Jul 16#51
is it good for 2500w fryer?
Mishania
8 Jul 16#52
1600. no good.:smiley:
rrowe
8 Jul 16#53
I have had some email correspondence with after sales at Aldi
They say that the O/P is modified sine wave, ie not smooth
But this does not tally with their website which says
"Sine wave gives clean, stable voltage and reliable power for sensitive electronics"
so I have asked for clarification
Cheeseandpickle
10 Jul 16#54
I bought one of these generators, pretty sure it's a re badged Kipor IG2000 inverter generator which sells at twice the price, it's physically the same and the specs are the same, just a different colour. The output is definitely sinwave and the output voltage is very stable even when switching 400w resistive loads - I tested using a digital voltmeter. As with all small generators be mindful how you use them, be especially careful using inductive loads such as some large power tools which can draw very high starting currents - enough to fry the inverter on any small generator. The peak rating for this generator is 2KW so the maximum wattage power tool I'd use with it is 500W giving a factor of 4x over head. Using resistive loads or modern electronics I'd happily load this up to 1500W still allowing a bit of headroom. Very pleased, if it is a re badged Kipor a bit of a bargain too!
rrowe
11 Jul 16#55
Second reply from Aldi states that it is modified sine wave not pure sine wave
Has anyone put a scope on the O/P when under load?
snowtigger
19 Jul 16#56
Buy the best you can afford, always buy a bigger generator than you think you need, same as hiring a skip ! all things run on watts, add all the watts than a bit more thats whatvyou need, but you will in time always want to run more. Anything with heat ie kettle, iron, ,tumble dryer etc etc use thousands of watts, and new led bulbs use 3 or 4 watts, if you buy cheap you buy twice, in quality not price,
dvatranslate
23 Jul 16#57
Interesting review regarding generators at jonsguide
Can i get any this like thise but used?
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Opening post
Its an inverter generator but its not stated if its pure sinewave or square wave which is important if you plan to run an inductive load such as a compressor or microwave
Will run 'sensitive electronics' but so will a square wave uninterruptible power supply so that means nothing. Says it will run power tools so maybe?? sine wave?!
Is it better than all the other Chinese suitcase Genny offerings, such as Clarke, Ryobi, Kipor, Hyundai? Not sure but its a massive 5 year warranty!!!!
There are many a Kipor (which some rave about) on eBay with broken inverter boards which renders them useless due to the prohibitive cost of a replacement one.
I think this is 4 stroke as its reasonably quiet (69dB at 7 metres) compared to Honda's flagship EU2000i which is 59db (full load) but 4 times the price. It also says runs on regular unleaded but info is vague.
From the picture it looks like it has a smart throttle to adjust revs to load and 12 volt output, again not in the description.
I wouldn't run this on a campsite unless you have a very long lead and could put it in the next field but its pictured on a caravan site.
I have a Honda Eu2000i running on LPG gas and a Honda Ex650. I know a bit about cheap Chinese generators and their pitfalls. E.g. dodgy power capacitors on the inverter, oil leaks, fuel leaks, carburettor / fuel pump probs etc.
I recommend running one in on 3/4 load to check for oil leaks which usually come from the oil level sensor.
Always use a fuel additive to inhibit fuel deterioration, I.e. varnishing which blocks the carbs. Drain fuel and run the Genny till it stops to get any residual fuel out of the carb if not using for long periods. A lot of carbs have a drain screw for the carb float bowl which makes life easier
Replace the stock spark plug with an NGK as the stock ones usually cause warm start problems.
If you can fit a decent inline fuel filter between the fuel tank and carb without voiding warranty, do so. Don't pick the cheapest, smallest filter, especially if there is no fuel pump (it varies, some are just gravity fed) or you risk fuel starvation.
Don't pull the starter cord if you are not on a level with the Genny. I've seen many with damage to the Genny case and starter cord from the cord being pulled up at a sharp angle.
Check the manufacturers handbook re. air filter cleaning, changing (and oiling sponge type) and don't run on sand or sandy soil as it will draw all the crap into the air filter
Happy camping etc. Please give me some credit for this. I did it all on a mobile with the HUKD app which is far from perfect.
Top comments
I have absolutely no need for a genny, but this post has made me strangely keen to buy one. Ah, the seductive power of HUKD. :man:
All comments (57)
Why fo they need global artificial crisis?
To unite the world.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=blEywp_RNtE
I have absolutely no need for a genny, but this post has made me strangely keen to buy one. Ah, the seductive power of HUKD. :man:
If you want the best value for money, buy a Champion (about £100 more than this one)
I would have thought there is a pretty big risk on a genny this cheap, have a good look at the reviews of the cheaper ones on the web.
This one looks like a "Workzone Titanium+" generator.
Also:
I thought Argos had expensive deliveries... "A delivery fee of £2.99 for the first Amazon Pantry box and 99p for each additional box in the same order."
I hope you get a Amazon Prime discount on that, rip off, if you buy a few say 4 thats £10, + £2.99 + £2.97 LOL
It's £2.50-60 full price at the big 5 http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/Bags_Foils_And_Wraps/Bacofoil_The_Non_Stick_Kitchen_Foil_450mm_x_5m.html?TrackingCode=821.ihP9_sLuu0msOSmgs0qJAg
Much cheaper even without a promo price going to the supermarket :laughing:
With the EU hating us now, who knows when it will come in handy?
I think I must be turning into Tim the tool an Taylor
http://offers.kd2.org/en/au/aldi/pVnx/
No EX650, for sure, but it's a reasonable price for the output, and the 5 year warranty (probably return to base, though - costly) provides some reassurance. Sold an EX650 a while back at a very good price (they do hold their value incredibly well) because it was used so little that the maintenance became a chore. Unless these things are used regularly they become a real pain to start when you do want to use them - and that was the Honda!
Heated for the info :wink:
Some logic need to apply if you buy for 2 pounds it does not matter will break goes to rubbish bin ,
Now tools , generator when they break when you need them it is worst what can happen Swearing your self that can NOT finish job or need to buy new tools again
I have same in the past bought cheap for say 40 Pound tool looks ok and price good but when you need them for house renovation works they simply breaks and you have not finished work and need new tools again .
You can not wait for warranty to fix need to finish job So then again 40 Pounds so you spend 80 Pounds on x 2 Cheap tools when you can buy 1 makita, bosh and it will last
OK so the thunderstorm that caused it had nothing to do with Brexit but it did feel like some sort of portent of doom.....
No brainer really if your in the market for one, 5 year warranty kills it!
(And "Runs on regular unleaded petrol" for the poster who didn't find "regular unleaded" explicit enough. "Could I use just the inverter part with a solar panel, and run the generator only when it's dark" isn't a totally stupid question, but I doubt it's worth trying to adapt it like that, and could be dangerous if you get it wrong.)
Inverter generators use high frequency multiphase alternators. Its highly unlikely that you could just tap into the input stage of the inverter with a solar panel input. The inverter boards are encapsulated in epoxy resin and bonded to an aluminium heatsink so you really can't re-engineer them. Even a conventional solar/inverter setup needs an energy reservoir I.e. a battery as the output of a solar panel is much less predictable than a microprocessor controlled engine.
Square wave?
I know that I need something a bit more upmarket that a 60 quid 2 stroke genny from Aldi to run a modern tele, or a laptop?
What else would i need a sine wave genny for?
Also, what is it with the Kipor boards failing?
I take it that they are not reliable?
In a square wave inverter the same rise and fall in voltage occurs in an abrupt way. Crude ones consist of a pair of transistors switching the current on an off at 50 times a second but the output is not considered 'clean' like the mains. A cheap telly with a cheap power supply might not be able to handle abrubt voltage changes, its designed to work with smooth sinewave transitions and you may get a buzzing sound in the audio and the power supply may overheat or at least have a shortened lifetime. Computers are a different beast. The switched mode power supply in a computer is very much like a cheap square wave inverter to convert mains voltages to usable voltages with small high frequency transformers. They output their own 'noisy' voltages but the capacitors and inductors etc in the power supply are designed to smooth that noise into DC voltages that the motherboard can cope with. Inductive load devices such as high end audio devices, some TV's, mains clocks, microwaves and most AC motorised devices don't run well with square wave inverters and prolonged usage causes overheating and more damage to these devices than might a good quality 'builders' generator with a good speed governor. Regular heating devices such as kettles, toasters, boilers and incandescent filament lights are least sensitive to square wave inverters, these are 'resistive load' devices.
And thanks to gazdoubleu for your explanation
They say that the O/P is modified sine wave, ie not smooth
But this does not tally with their website which says
"Sine wave gives clean, stable voltage and reliable power for sensitive electronics"
so I have asked for clarification
Has anyone put a scope on the O/P when under load?
Can i get any this like thise but used?