I have the keyboard kindle why not upgrade to paper white

I just liked the idea of the auto light on the Voyage, which seemed to work fine for me, my wifes likes hers and says she couldn't do without the auto light function - I know some folks don't like it, but by far the biggest deal breaker for me is this bloody yellow top half of the screen (at medium brightness). I also like the look and feel of it.

But, hey ho, I'll just get the new Paperwhite seeing as the DPI is just the same now.

They tried to rip me for the return postage as well LOL - soon put them straight that I was returing it as "defective", not that I just didn't want it...

Common design feature :confused:

Nic to see them trying to spin a design fault as a feature.

By the way, what is it about the Voyage that has you wanting it so much? The Paperwhite doesn't seem so different...(the following Amazon review is quite informative);

I bought the Kindle Voyage (KV) 10 months ago so have had plenty of time to asses it versus my much loved Kindle Keyboard (KK), which I have used happily for several years and still do owing to its superior page turning system (qv). My wife has a Kindle Paperwhite (PW) which she uses every day and rates very highly, I have also installed the excellent Kindle free App on both my smartphone and tablet. Uptil recently the KV had a higher resolution screen (300 ppi) than the PW, but now they are the same. I find that you don't actually need a specially high resolution to read a book so in my left hand I am holding my KK, and in my right hand the KV both turned to the same page in the same book. I can view and read them with equal pleasure because although obviously different, (the KK res is only 167 ppi versus KV 300), the 'thinner' looking KV text (some people like to call it 'crispy' ), does not on its own directly equate to more reading pleasure - after all, we are not trying to decypher ancient hieroglyphics!, and if anything I find the bolder looking text of the KK easier to read. Therefore anyone on a limited budget who does not wish to fork out more than £50-60 and is attracted to the basic Kindle , should not be put off by the issue of screen resolution.
So turning to the 2 extra features the KV does have versus the PW - the new page press system and auto control of the screen illumination - are they worth paying £60 more than the PW? I tried very hard to like the new PP system for a period of four months and experimented with all the pressure and feedback settings to try and optimise it. However I was still getting more 'double bounce' than I wanted, with the occasional skip of around 10 pages, so I turned it off in the 'settings' and used a simple touch on the screen instead. Page turning systems are important as you do it more than anything else on an E reader. My ranking for all systems is as follows. First - the finely engineered mechanical switches of the KK - they are seperate from the main cabinet surface area so operate with a lovely clean 'click'. Second the 3D scroll available on the Kindle App for tablets and phones. It looks really great, always seems to work and is in fact the very closest thing to turning a real page in a real book! If the Kindle Readers had enough processing power to support it, I would certainly vote this number one! Third the simple touch left or right of the screen, and I'm afraid last, the new PP system which is trying and failing to rescue a poor mechanical design (which does use the cabinet surface area as switch membranes rather than keeping it seperate), with clever software - the pressure/feedback settings. Moreover when you grip the KV cabinet between thumb and finger to operate the PP, it doesn't feel like you are operating a switch at all! You are simply squeezing an unresponsive plastic sandwich - an awful mechanical bodge which makes you realise how 'plasticky' and insubstantial the construction is versus the KK and PW, and wonder whether it really is worth the extra money on this count alone!
Regarding the screenlight systems in the PW and KV, they share an identicall illumination slider setting screen, except that the KV has a tick box to enable auto control according to ambient light intensity. Auto illumination control is not new and exists on some camera and tablet screens, but they are 'feedback systems' which consume a certain amount of power to operate at all. I found that enabling it caused more power consumption/less time between charges on the KV than just setting the illumination manually, so I did not continue using it. I simply set the slider down to zero for all daytime use, putting it up to around 6 for my infrequent reading in the dark. In other words, the arrangement on the PW (no auto illumination control), is more than adequate.
So in conclusion I found the 2 extra features of the KV were not for me and correspondingly would not have payed the £60 extra above the excellent PW, if I had known how they would work out. The proof of this is that I actually use my KK with its superior page press system full time now, only switching to the KV if I wish to read in the dark. However trying to look on the positive side - the KV is slim, light and stylish - albeit insubstantial compared with the PW and KK, and for people who enjoy owning the top of the range and can afford to do so, and furthermore can actually get on with the new PP system and find the auto illumination control to be an asset - then the KV is a nice little reader and they will be very pleased with it.

does this only happen with voyages then? also if i got a paperwhite with special offers is it possible for me to remove the special offers myself?

Well, just got my Kindle - yellow tinge to top half of screen.

Why anyone would put up with that is beyond me...

edit:

on to the Kindle support:

"Please to be informed that this is a common design feature of the Kindle voyage device."

No thanks...

wifi only sounds good!

It's all built in. No action required on your part - just switch on the wireless connections when you want to download a book/sync pages etc. Amazon deals with any costs related to your downloads (you don't get charged extra).

As for whether I recommend it? Well...on my Kindle keyboard it has been a bit of a no brainer. It used to have unlimited browsing of Wikipedia and the web....so was v.useful when travelling. It's become a bit more hobbled now (no unlimited downloads outside of the Kindle store)....but even so, I would struggle without it. But that's partly because I do a lot of cycle touring - and I just find it so convenient to be able to download book previews when they come to mind whilst cycling. Without 3G, I'd have to wait for WiFi.
For most people, WiFi will do the job. Especially if you stay in the UK and your phone is capable of making a 3G hotspot...

Does it come with a sim card or something O_O

Do you reckon it's worth paying the extra for 3g?

It's free for the lifetime of the Kindle. (My 5 year old Kindle Keyboard 3G still gets 3G without issues. I can even use the experimental browser to browse the web....though only have about 20mb of allowance each month for data outside of book purchases)

Amazon pay for the 3G right? How does that work?

I find 3G really useful - keeps my books in constant sync, and allows me to shop/download things when on a beach (or any other place without regular wifi).
Of course, if your phone can create a hotspot, then 3G isn't necessary. But it suits me :smiley:

also is it worth getting the wifi and 3g version of a kindle or just wifi only??

What's better a paperwhite or a voyage?

I wholeheartedly agree.

Unfortunately against Amazon I feel that John Lewis would have far more luck in challenging them than you or I would.

And they just will not know there's an issue unless their consumers complain directly to them (only one bad review on their website (soon to be two...) - the "tech" guy I spoke to at JL had never heard of this quite widespread problem), so we're stuck in a vicious cycle.

I even waited a couple of weeks before getting the last one swapped in the hope that the stock might have turned-over sufficiently, to no avail.

Anyway, Voyage coming from Amazon tomorrow - fingers crossed!

All valid points. But if Amazon can't get a grip of quality control, then I personally don't think John Lewis should be the one being financially penalised.

Yes, we have these consumer rights....but I prefer the manufacturer to be the ones hit with the issues - because they are then the ones that have to resolve it.

I also have had great success with taking stuff back to the manufacturer directly (free returns, v.quick turnaround - and guaranteed to have actual eyes on the problem....and therefore a proper resolution).

You sending Voyage's back to John Lewis on a conveyor belt system was probably never likely to bag you a good Voyage.....because clearly there was a fault with the whole batch.

(All of what I have said is probably skewed by the fact that I don't like how Amazon does business - and I therefore would rather Amazon lose out financially than John Lewis).

I did say that I wasn't expecting them to keep replacing it forever.

On the other hand, although I like JL a great deal and have spent a whack with them over the years, the buck DOES stop with the retailer and surely they would have greater luck holding Amazon to account than the likes of you or me (or the thousands upon thousands of others judging by the anecdotal evidence on the net).

As a rule, I never deal with the manufacturer and to John Lewis' credit they never try to fob you off with this ruse. By all means, if a retailer wishes to send a faulty product back to the manufacturer then that is up to them.

Although comsumer rights have been changed recently with the Consumer Rights Act replacing the Sale of Goods Act, it is still pretty unambiguous regarding who should deal with any issues.

In all 3 cases I reported the problem to JL within the new 28 days allowed for no quibbles.

A great problem for consumers in this country is that a great many do not (or can't be bothered) asserting the rights granted to them when buying goods and are willing to just accept mediocrity (like the yellow tinged Voyage).

I am not one of those.

In any case, I LIKE the Voyage, when it doesn't have the yellow tinge (and I know of at least 2 that don't), and I wouldn't mind 20% off it, so I will try again with Amazon themselves.

You may have guessed, but a 1 year warranty doesn't bother me. OK, It would certainly be a lot easier with JL and their 2 year warranty (the main reason I originally purchased it from them), but I can assure you that I will assert my rights should anything go wrong with it in at least the first 2 years because it is a no brainer that a device like this should last at least that long...

Again though, it is up to John Lewis to sort any problems out and they should really be taking this poor quality control up with Amazon.

Mate TRUST me when i say this but you really DONT get it, and the fact that you come back for more is errr well lets just say your NOT the sharpest knife in the drawer and leave it at that.

So any seller could've had a bad batch in stock, including Amazon themselves, but I think you were luckier to buy from JL as they would replace the unit (ok, there is a limit to the number of times they will do that, and also a limit to the number of courier costs they were willing to cover) but Amazon may have replaced the 1st without question and then delayed .. we'll send the 2nd unit to our technicians type of thing. They have reduced their customer service sympathy nowadays. Regardless of the bad batch, known faults in the Kindles means I will only buy one with a 2-year warranty now. There is no other real competition with ereaders, and my family use a few kindles, although personally I'm still using my faultless 'ancient' Sony PRS-T1

I can't say I blame John Lewis for taking the action they did. There's only so many returns that a company can do on a single order before it becomes completely unsustainable (financially).

Did you ever think to send it back to the manufacturer, Amazon, rather than playing Russian roulette with John Lewis stock (which clearly had issues?)

That's what I would have done. In part because it would give me the best resolution - but also because I don't think John Lewis should be financially penalised for poor quality control by Amazon.

This is true, regarding the extra warranty, but this yellow tinge issue is straight out the box!

JL wanted me to return the third one I had with the issue to a shop, even though I bought it online - not an option for me, no JL for 40 miles.

Obviously I did not expect them to replace it ad infinitum, and I was willing to try another one but I just took the refund instead as I could not be bothered with all the hassle of sending it into the shop etc. I did say to them this is clearly a problem they need to take up with Amazon.

Maybe the yellow tinge doesn't bother some folks, but I bought the Voyage to specifically read in the dark and that is when the issue is noticable. However, as I said, my wife and mum both have a Voyage, and there is definitely no noticable yellow tinge on theirs, so there are ones out there that don't have this severe quality control problem.

The yellow tinge problem can be Googled - can anyone seriously say they would accept it? Reading your book and EVERY page starts with a yellow hue slowing turning to a whiteish blue the further down the page you get?

I'll need to try the Voyage from Amazon now as JL don't seem interested in the problem. Just hope I get a good one in the first couple of tries so Amazon don't close my account... :confused:

If the price is the same, EVERYONE should buy from John Lewis. A proper company that doesn't try to squirrel away taxes...and which treats their staff with decency.

It's a shame Amazon exists in many ways - because it is turning into a market place bully...rail roading good businesses out of the market. (Plus, when we use our consumer rights to return things, Amazon has a nasty habit of giving account bans!).

I am a very hesitant Amazon customer these days.

As pointed out by myself and others in previous Kindle posts, the extra year warranty from JohnLewis is an important consideration when it comes to Kindles, as Amazon don't really want to fix them past the 12 months warranty.
There are some known problems, Amazon may delay replacement while they look into a faulty unit, whereas JL replace it. I had to buy a replacement Paperwhite after Amazon refused to offer help, and I certainly shopped at JL.
If they've price-matched, they offer more value overall.

You clearly don't have the wherewithal or temperament to read a book....so I completely understand as to why you don't know the benefits.

But since I am happy to feed the troll;

Nonsense (as purpoted by you), vs reality

Absolutely. And all of those complete idiots buying huge TV screens and setting up 120" home cinemas... don't they know their smartphone can play back videos?!? Those morons are just throwing away money - it's the exact same experience on a phone.

3 Kindle Voyages I had replaced from John Lewis recently when they had 20% off.

Every one had the yellow tinge on the upper part of the screen at medium brightness (where you would want it in total darkness).

Totally off putting, looks like the screen has been bruised!

My wife and mum both have Voyages without this issue so good luck trying to get one, maybe I'll try again with Amazon, John Lewis gave up on me after the third...

Everyone knows Kindle is a waste of money when you can get the same thing and more on a smartphone!

Medion eBook reader.... You'll be saying it has a screen made by Lenovo next! :laughing:

Agreed Clueless i reckon.

I'm not sure he is a troll as such. He's just fairly clueless...
He's a good one to badger bait though if ever you are bored

Keep trying Pickers. One of these days, you'll hit a home run

get lost,troll.

That was my reaction when you bought your Medion eBook Reader! :laughing:

Yep and they don't let you back

Aaah, another person who hasn't discovered Amazon's rather liberal use of account bans (both for individuals and entire properties).

They are banning no end of people - and a ban also prevents you from using any unspent gift card credit.

Look it up - (it's been discussed on Watchdog amongst other places)

I'd be really surprised if Amazon blocked your account for availing yourself of longstanding and well founded consumer rights. I mean, sure, they can choose not to trade with you if they want, but it would cause an absolute shotstirm if they tried it over something like that. Amazon live and die by their no hassle returns policy. They start adding caveats here and there, and they're just some online retailer.

​If it's within 7 days they sometime give you difference back automatically, I got 20p back a few months ago.

Surely just return to Amazon for a full refund and buy from Argos, Tesco or John Lewis instead?

*Return, reorder...

...and risk a potential ban in the future :man:

I picked up a second hand but excellent condition 4th generation Kindle from eBay some time ago. I love the buttons and it suits my needs. Not a fan of the more recent touch screen only versions even with higher definition and more memory etc

I upgraded my old button kindle to a kindle voyage (not a touch screen fan - I want to read one-handed!) a couple of months ago. It took a while to reprogram my hand to the haptic sensor buttons but I absolutely love it now. A word of warning - mine spent the first week with the automatic front light randomly darkening and lightening. I was about to give up entirely on that setting and turn it off forever, when it suddenly stabilised and has been perfect ever since. I don't know if it had an update, or what, but the thing is damn near perfect now.

Managed to get two @ £39 each from Tesco Direct. It was a misprice because they reduced the Kindle Fire to £39.99 but mistakenly also reduced to Paperwhite to £39.99.

Amazon don't do that anymore. Only option is to return and reorder.

Nah, it's just not the same. I love my Kindle - reading a book on a phone (even a 5.5" screen one) just doesn't work in the same way as a Kindle. For a start, you have to spend the first 10 minutes adjusting the phone's position so that the light isn't reflecting back off it and making it nigh on impossible to read! I even found that with my Kindle Fire HDX (and other tablets I tried). It's also significantly lighter than a phone and once charged can last for months...no comparison.

It's personal choice, of course.

With the Kool Kindle Keyboard, you can leave your thumb on the button and just squeeze every time you want to move page. It's a comfortable grip, exceedingly easy for one hand. With the touch-screens, every time you want to change page, you have to move your thumb off the bezel, move your thumb over the screen, move your thumb onto the screen, take your thumb off the screen, move your thumb over the bezel, and grip again. It's more than just a squeeze. And it's also a slight chore if you occasionally want to flip back a page because you're a bit brain-dead like me. Of course, some people will mind, and some people won't mind. It's not a big deal for everyone.

But that's just one reason why the KKK is great.

£48-£136 for a Kindle?

Just a rip off as you can get it on your phone for free (along with the superior Play Books and audiobook playback)!!

I tend to only buy and sell using Gumtree. I got my Microsoft Surface 3 128GB/4GB with pen and W10 Pro and typecover + 2 months warranty...in pristine condition....for £200 :smiley: !
Plenty of other bargains too...definitely worth a look for most items. & even if things are far from you, as long as the seller accepts Paypal with Buyer Protection, then you have as much consumer protection as you do on Ebay.

I've never trusted Gumtree since trying to sell on there before and being swamped by dodgy offers of bank trnasfers, Western Union and vouchers tbh. Would never really have considered it...but guess it is a valid option if you find a genuine seller.

EDIT: Just looked now on Gumtree and couldn't find any 4GB models (same as mine) for less than £90!

OP hasn't mentioned that these are all 'with offers' prices. Price goes up a few quid when you remove special offers - that said you can often get customer services to take them off for free if you push.

Sounds like a rather convoluted way of buying a Kindle. Why not just get one off of Gumtree - where you can get the original owner to delink it from their Amazon account?!

Typical. I just bought a Paperwhite on Ebay which was from an airport Lost & Found auction for £50 without all the benefits of linking it to my Amazon account...for another £37 a brand new one is tempting. Have some heat!

Ask customer service to apply the deal retrospectively. If you ask nicely they will usually help you out...

Literally just bought one of these before this deal! Heartbroken

Are the page turn buttons that big an issue? I'm pretty sure the paperwhite will suit me, even though my last one was the Kindle Keyboard with the manual page turn buttons. Surely it's no real hassle to touch the screen to move page?

Wooah there. I can cope with losing my keyboard....but Amazon ain't nicking my page turn buttons! The Keyboard 3G lives on :smiley:

Yes, I can't get used to that.

No page-turn buttons! :man:

£39? I'd have been interested in that for the backlit screen. But I still probably would have hesitated :smiley:.

Yeah ive been rolling with the Keyboard 3G myself since it came out around £150 i believe but was lucky enough to of picked up the latest 3rd Gen Paperwhite from the Tesco's deal for £39 the other week and its definitely a better experience TBF.

What I like the best about the Keyboard 3G is that I can use it as a v.basic web browser, wherever I am in the world. The 3G allowance is no longer unlimited - but in a pinch, I have found it to be really useful (especially in Africa where mobile broadband normally costs a fortune!).
Oh, and I couldn't do without the book delivery via 3G...v.helpful :smiley:

One thing Amazon could/should do (and would make me consider an upgrade) is adding a gorilla glass screen. The K3G screen is very fragile - and means I have to keep it in a chunky protective case..which I'd rather not do.

I replaced my Kindle Keyboard with a Voyage about a month ago (a whisker over £100 delivered, following a fair bit of negotiating with Amazon)... and you're right. The haptic sensors are good, but not as good as the buttons were. The nicer screen is good, but not a game-changer. The front-lit screen can be useful, but not £100-useful. The smaller size (due to no keyboard) took a bit of getting used to, but now... yeah, OK, that's a bit better.

You're safe to stick with your Kindle Keyboard for now, IMO. Although the Voyage is an adequate replacement should it break.

It's related to Father's Day so definitely over by the 19th.. but there's probably a date range noted somewhere.

The Paperwhite is amazing, best of the lot in my opinion :smiley:

John Lewis, Argos, Tesco, etc all matching offer... I'm buying from John Lewis later as I have vouchers to spend :smiley:

Anyone know how long the offer will last?

No discount on the one that needs it the most; the Kindle Oasis! Still £270 :confused:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/All-New-Leather-Charging-High-Resolution-Display/dp/B010EK1GOE

(I still can't justify upgrading from my Keyboard 3G :smiley: )