of course they are returned for a reason

Non left from this seller but it pays to shop about.

I just got one for £56 from Amazon France (inc delivery)! There are some in Italy too but Germany was as expensive as the UK

Because you're going in completely blind if you don't. It's like driving a car without any idea what to do if it breaks down.

Why would you expect them to?

No need to probe router for details, just use the following:

username: [email protected]
password: install

The problem is that they cater towards morons. Back in the day the majority of internet users knew what they were doing. Now 99.9999999% of them don't have the slightest clue.

The answer is yes. As long as you get your credentials which requires router firmware probing, there's nothing to stop you from using any ADSL2+ router that you like.

Their official terms threaten disconnection for anybody who uses their own kit but I have never actually heard of them actively going through with that disconnection. As long as you don't expect them to support the 3rd party kit, there isn't really any problem.

Im pretty sure I've used a "cable" router, with an ADSL service - it just meant I had to use both systems (ie: the ADSL router, and the "cable" router)

​wether they allow it or not isn't the issue, I couldn't give a monkeys if they allow it or not. The question was will this router support their dodgy authentication system

Sorry, but you are wrong. I am using a different router right now with no issues.

does it support sky's system?

does this work with sky fibre ? or do u need to have fibre pro ? if so how much is pro lol

But they might find out and say stop paying us money!

So the kind of service that used to be free ten years ago with other ISPs. Man ISPs are **** now.

Is there a voucher code we can use please?

I have had this for a while and to be honest it was a bad experience.

Transfer speeds from my nas to Intel AC7260 were pretty poor, even when using ethernet. (Don't get me wrong it did about 30-40MB/s for wifi and 50-60 over ethernet but Nighthawk which replaced it is doing 110 and over, being limited by gigabit and close to 80 over wifi) also it was doing something weird (probably some type of firewall, although I disabled the option) with windows not detecting my nas... (I know it was its fault because it is working impeccably with the nighthawk.)

It also had wifi issues on the 5.0 Ghz, dropping connection and short range. So I tried a firmware update when it was released, which caused the wifi to become completely unstable, dropping every minute so it went back.

Also their (TP-link) support is a joke. I paid 80£ for it about a year ago and got it with the wifi stick (which I sold on for cca 20£). Making this a year later a pretty poor option.

You can use your own router and they won't even know, there are plenty of YouTube videos on how to extract your username and password from a sky router

£45 on Amazon warehouse if you don't mind a returned one

This doesn't support open source firmware.. For just a tiny bit more you can get a router with better specs that does.

Is this better than a Netgear D6300 – WiFi ADSL Modem Router anyone?

http://www.trustedreviews.com/tp-link-archer-d7-review

sounds abit ****

Ah ok fair enough. Thanks for passing on the knowledge

I have a sky connection & have never used the sky router.

Not sure why it's such a problem and am surprised it's against their t&cs.

That said, for most people the sky router is probably sufficient anyway.

I bought the TP-link archer C8 from Amazon the other week for £70 ended up paying £60 thanks to Prime now discount. Really good router.

Not sure what the real differences are between the C and D range though. That might be a deal breaker for a few people.

I used Tplink before good signal but lacks management features.

​Not if you upgrade to the sky pro service. You can use your own router and you get a static IP.

You can plug one router into the other though. It just can't be the first router.

Friend of mine picked one of these up from Amazon a few days ago, latest firmware update stopped it booting up properly. Just so you're aware if you take advantage of this!

​quite I've only had one miss from warehouse and that was because it was misdescribed and came with wrong maps. remember if you don't like it you have a month to return it.

​not necessarily a return .. often Amazon warehouse items are new apart from damaged packaging - check the descriptions - I've bought items from there where the product still had all it's protective film etc in place.

of course they are returned for a reason

I have a D5 and its been the best router I've had.