Free coaches are being paid for by AFC Bournemouth. Manchester United refused to assist. Horrible, horrible club

Worst analogy ever

Er, the fact that it was a security firm using MUFC's stadium that caused MUFC (and not Bournemouth) to abandon a game that Bournemouth's fans had paid money to go see? It's not exactly rocket science to work that one out - should be MUFC reimbursing Bournemouth's fans.

In fairness if the were to offer all supporters travelling from the south free transport theyd need enogh coaches for 60,000 :smiley:

Bournemouth website http://www.afcb.co.uk/news/article/waiting-list-in-action-for-coach-travel-to-manchester-united-v-afc-bournemouth-3115605.aspx
Manchester United website http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2016/May/manchester-united-statement-ahead-of-bournemouth-rearranged-game.aspx

Shouldn't this be in "freebies" then?

Free coaches are being paid for by AFC Bournemouth. Manchester United refused to assist. Horrible, horrible club

Er, the fact that it was a security firm using MUFC's stadium that caused MUFC (and not Bournemouth) to abandon a game that Bournemouth's fans had paid money to go see? It's not exactly rocket science to work that one out - should be MUFC reimbursing Bournemouth's fans.

It's the security firm that is responsible. You're just the type of person to hate anything Manchester United without logical reason.

In fairness if the were to offer all supporters travelling from the south free transport theyd need enogh coaches for 60,000 :smiley:

​That's original. Bet you've got loads of mates.

How exactly have you worked out that I hate Manchester United for no logical reason? And that my opinion would be based on my supposed hatred? On the other hand I've got a pretty good idea your opinion might be slightly biased towards Manchester United, no idea why...

MUFC's stadium, their responsibility. You have an extremely blinkered view.

I read this as " bet you are got loads of mates"

​You read it right then. Auto-correct strikes again.

So if someone leaves a murder weapon in your house you'd expect to get locked up would you?

When your first attempt at arguing a point is an analogy that doesn't even remotely fit the situation, perhaps you should not bother.

it was man utds fault that they travelled all that way for nothing. offer should stand for bournemouth fans too. scummy club

Who really cares about the game Man U are crap!! no champions league for them

If Man Utd win 19-0 they go in the Champions League.

​Sorry I didn't realise you were guilty.

Man Utd allowed those fans to travel when there was a suspect package in the stadium left by a contractor in their employ. It's entirely Manchester Uniteds fault. It's Man Utds responsibility to ensure that the stadium is ready for matchday. Nobody elses. You're completely blinkered pal.

If Man U had anything about them, they'd put free coaches on for their fans too. London to Manchester twice in a week will start to cost a few bob.

It's a shame people can't put their allegiances to one side here. The main thing is the safety issue. The blame game is something that is POINTLESS and it should be left to the authorities to look into. Only once a full investigation has been completed will we know who is at fault.

Two outside companies used Old Trafford for a training exercise, the security firm that provided the "fake bomb" signed off all paper work stating that ALL (13 devices in all) the devices were recovered when infact only 12 had been recovered.

Manchester United did everything correct. Hence 20mins before the game they found a device that SHOULD NOT OF BEEN THERE.... and rightly so evacuated the stadium.

You know it's a football thread when there's instant argument and someone mentions a murder weapon by the 14th comment.

I wouldn't bother mate. They aren't interested in the facts, only in making the most of any opportunity to **** off Man Utd. One stated it's entirely Man Utd's fault. That's what you're up against.

Wouldn't waste the quid if I was you as the bet's bound to bomb!!..............Bournemouth will be looking to do the double over United this season and blow them away with their Dynamite duo up front. Chances are United will have more luck finding a bomb than a goal!! :smiley:

Sooner dead than red. Come on Bournemouth, stick it up the SCUM :sunglasses:

It's still Man Utd's responsibility. It's their stadium, and their responsibility to ensure it's fit and ready when the fans arrive. Even if you type with CAPS LOCK ON, these are the facts.

It was left there on weds by all accounts so the fact the match was on Sunday and Utd have daily stadium tours you have to ask the question exactly what security checks do Man Utd perform.I see they have paraded the security firm boss on TV hung out to dry..I agree with others it 100% was NOT Bournemouth fault so Utd should do the decent thing and help transport the few who can travel all that way from south coast on a work day with evening kick off.

The facts are this. It is Man Utds responsibility to ensure the stadium is ready for matchday. If they let private companies use the stadium, they are still fully liable for any issues caused by such use. These are facts.

All those poor united season ticket holders from the home counties..

Am I missing something, I don't see where the deal is here? If you didn't have a ticket before Sunday, you can't take advantage of this offer? If you did have a ticket, you're probably aware of what's happening.

I'd hope it wouldn't take me 3 days to notice a murder weapon in my house that shouldn't be there.:confused:

Is your house the size of Old Trafford?

Guys it's already cost us £3 mil.

We could have bought half of Leicesters squad for that so go easy on us yeah?

It's United's stadium so it's their responsibility? So who's fault was Hillsborough? Get real.

Fail to see how this is a deal?

Last chance to see Rashaldo this season, before he jets of to the Euro's !

Bournemouth fan here all coaches (8 are booked up now) maybe if somone knows a coach company who wanted some free advertising could offer more coAches that's all bluebird could offer was 8.

I was at the game and cant go tomorrow but it is a nice gesture of afcb to offer free coaches even though ManU should pay for the coaches its not a short drive for us down south

If i was Bournemouth fan and driven from Bournemouth to Manchester or been stuck in a coach all day on the beautifully hot day, I'ld be very peed off and would want more than this.

Where's the deal? How do I get in? It's a freebie for those affected and no one else

While I can see both sides, it seems fairly reasonable of United, they've given a refund and you get to go to the game again for free. I've had various matches in my life postponed, I've got one or the other, not both.

Also you've got to remember this sets a precedence for the clubs involved, what if Bournemouth host a match that gets called off, they would then have to pay for coaches for the away fans. I would guess they're happy with the arrangement.

Love all these jokes about Man Utd season ticket holders. Who else is going to buy them? If the people of Manchester bought season tickets the Ethiad wouldnt be empty either.

​That's a wasted pound

It's their responsibility to do the best they can. They outsource security. You're essentially saying that every bomb that has gone off in the past is the fault of the property/land owner, and not the person who put it there. Good one.

And 22 hours 25 minutes of Fergie Time given their current scoring rate of 1 every 75 minutes.

yes this was a balls up but there was no bomb and the most important part is nobody died or got injured , i would call that a fantastic result when you consider what could have been.

What I'm saying, is that it's Man Utd's responsibility, whether they outsource security or not. And I'm right. Outsourcing security doesn't absolve them of their liabilities.

This is well expire now if you live in bournemout

If you watch the news you know about this.

Security Search Management & Solutions Ltd was hired by Deacons Canines to carry out practical training exercises at the stadium last week.

Good to see they've taken responsibility and come forward voluntarily ...but that's one security firm that will struggle to get takers for their next training exercises!.

On the positive side though, credit to Man United on their action to evacuate ...better safe than sorry.

Can’t believe you've just called someone a plonker (with a picture no less) then followed it up with the most ridiculous post I’ve come across on this site. The stadium, like all stadiums across England is checked for explosive devices before a game. Now, as strange as this may seem, but if you think logically about it, it may just make a bit of sense. They use dogs to check the stadium, why do you ask? Because they have a nose for it. Why didn’t the dog find it? I’ll let you work that one out for yourself shall I?.

But neither of these 2 firms are taking money from 75,000 people for admittance to old trafford to watch a sporting event. Manchester United are. You're just not getting the liability thing.

You doughnut. Even a city fan like myself can see that Man U are not responsible here. The package was only discovered less than an hour before the game. So how did they 'let Bournemouth fans travel'. Man U should be congratulated for finding the package in the first place and even more so for this gesture.

If you want to vent anger, blame the security firm who left the device there.

The point is, Manchester United are ultimately to blame. It's just a joke that people are defending them. Suck it up.

How exactly?

I have worked security at a number of grounds in the recent past and one of the first things you do before allowing entry to the public is a security sweep. A very important part of the routine. This wasn't done and the only person/persons who should be shouldering most of the blame are the ones who missed the package in the first place. From memory Showsec used to run the security there. If it had been picked up well in advanc then there could have been calls made and this mishap sorted before the club opened it's doors or delayed entry etc.

A security sweep was done, as always.

By David Blunkett?

No, by dogs, if you've worked at a ground like you say you have you'd know that.

LOL - at grounds like Macc Town, Stockport County, Bolton, Cardiff City? Get a grip my friend. You use your security staff to do a sweep. A visual sweep - not using dogs - not everywhere has the opportunity to deploy a sniffer dog unit. And if the 'bomb' was properly viable and had explosive traces in it then it should have been picked up. If it was a dud then a visual sweep would have picked it up. I have worked at a number of grounds including Premier league as well as lower league. And never had a team of sniffer dogs do a sweep immediately prior to a game.

Heat from an LFC fan.

The size isn't relevant,it's rather odd that it wasn't seen for 3 days,don't they even have cleaning staff in there before a match never mind anyone else :neutral_face:

The point is, that Manchester United are ultimately responsible for anyone entering the stadium. That includes private firms. They have let the fans down. That package should have been located and removed before anyone entered the stadium. The fans were put in danger, and their safety is the responsibility of the club whilst they're in the stadium.

They've also greatly inconvenienced their fans.

From The Daily Mail
Sam Stride, a United supporter from Bristol, said: ‘This is the first time I have been to Old Trafford to see a game. My mate and I have known each other for 63 years and we travelled up together. We sat in the Stretford End for about five seconds before they asked us to leave. It’s very disappointing.’

Billy Ifrose, from Cardiff, said: ‘I came on a coach from Cardiff. It is the first time I have been to see Manchester United live. It is a beautiful day and I am a bit sad.’

A United fan from Sierra Leone, whose dream trip to Old Trafford was ruined, will have an extended trip funded by supporters.

You’ve never worked at a ground in your life lol
Sniffer dogs are used at Old Trafford because its kinda big and it may take a while for a visual security sweep. The reason it wasn’t picked up by sniffer dogs is simply because there was no explosives present in the stadium, the owner of the company has taken full responsibility but oh no, you know better because you (say) you've worked at Maccasfield Town (or wherever )

Are you really that stupid. They've put 75000 fans in danger by allowing them into a stadium that had a fake bomb in the toilet.

How? You've yet to explain to me how?
What did the Club do wrong? The truth is you have no answer.

not really a deal

Yet you completely ignore the FACT that the owner of the security firm has taken the FULL responsibility, whys that?

Dogs should have picked this up. The training exercise was for explosive sniffer dogs.

Wrong again, Maybe you should read up on this a bit more before you comment any further.

Danger? From a fake bomb.

It could have been real

It wasn't real. If it had explosives the dogs would have found it.

They might not have

Neither might have Arsenal if they had a bomb in their ground on Sunday. Neither did, neither fans were in danger at either ground.

Someone should have seen it

Why? It was hidden behind a door of a toilet. The only person who sees that is a person using the bog. It was found by... a person using the bog.

Man Utd have accepted liability in some form by issuing refunds. You seem to suggest they are more liable. I look forward to you representing the "victims" in court so they get the compensation they truly deserve.

Yours, a Bournemouth fan.

Sorry. I was looking for some cheap shameless heat :smile:

Just because he says it's all his fault, it doesn't mean it is. Why do you think the police are demanding an inquiry?

Judge - How do you plead
Defendant - Guilty your Honour
Judge - Are you sure? RuudBullit of HUKD suggests otherwise.

I've given you the answer. You just can't see it with your blinkers on.

why bother playing a meaningless fixture, pools panel should decide and declare an obvious away win for Bournemouth.:stuck_out_tongue:

You're assuming I'm a Manchester United fan?

Do you think a bomb scare in a stadium holding 75000 people is perfectly safe?

I have an ass yes, its were my poo comes out .


In before the "No it comes out of your mouth" reply

So, Man Utd aren't responsible for the safety of fans inside old trafford if someone else says 'it's my fault'.

Fair play but Man Utd should be refunding the Bournemouth fans as well.

Again with the silly photos like that somehow backs up your argument.
Who has said that United aren't responsible for the safety of the fans? Did the not comply with the fans safety by conducting a safe evacuation, one that was praised by everybody concerned?

Don't feed the troll.

This is from the guardian, and is replicated in one way or another in much of the press

“Following today’s controlled explosion, we have since found out that the item was a training device which had accidentally been left by a private company following a training exercise involving explosive search dogs"

I'm not saying that they didn't do everything perfect once the device was found. According to the accounts, they did.
But there seems to be plenty here saying Man Utd are completely without liability here. That's simply not true.

The training was for the dog handlers not the sniffer dogs, that’s why the dogs didn’t find the device. Simply really, when you know what you’re talking about anyway.

Brilliant. What part of the owner takes full responsibility don't you get?

United fans still have to make their way there again.! Some came from as far as Zimbabwe.! I can sympathize with Bournemouth in regards to cost of coaches but that is their good deed, often the away fans travel via clubs coaches and I assume the original travelers will get priority?.

Let's not forget, it could of been a serious situation, thankfully it wasn't.

Obviously United have made the error but from that point forward they have handled the situation suppurbly, evacuating 76,000 football fans can't be easy.

A false test wouldn't have the same impact.

Lessons can be learned, could of been another Hillsborough with mass panick etc..

So some credit needs to go to United, the authorities and even more credit to the fans for remaining calm throughout because the risk of terror is very real.!.

Sorry but that's not so. The security firm are contractors employed by Manchester United. Whilst he company may be at fault, Manchester United shouldn't just shrug. They should assist and claim it back from the security firm.

If you live in a rented house, the landlord brings in a plumber, who then leaves you without water for 6 months... The responsibility to sort it lies with the landlord.

​how can the owner of the security firm be responsible for Manchester United failing to find a 'bomb' for 5 days?

Logically yes, but you analogy is completely out of context with the on goings at Manchester United. A better analogy would be a Gas engineer attends your home (that you own) he signs everything off as being competent and safe only for a gas leak to happen (at the fault of the engineer) evacuating the entire street. The Gas engineer would then be held responsible as he signed a job sheet saying the place was left safe. Its not up to the owner of the house to check that the engineer has done the job correctly, unless he/she got an unqualified engineer or undertook the job herself.

Let's be totally honest though, Bournemouth are the completely innocent party here. By suggesting some Man United fans have travelled from Zimbabwe should not even come in to this discussion. It's a home game, whilst a majority of the Man United support probably doesn't live within the vicinity, that's not really relevant to a discussion of fans following their local team and the game being called off to something completely unrelated to their team.

The fact they've had a test run is the only credit Man United deserve. They should IMO pay for the coaches for Bournemouth fans as a good will gesture. They can then claim for this money from the security firm responsible.

You're a terrible troll, way to obvious.

My analogy isn't out of context, you just failed to understand it.

Bournemouth were the tenants of Old Trafford for the day. They don't own it. Man United are the owners. Whilst Man United are not responsible for the situation, in the eyes of the tenant, Bournemouth, they are.

FFS hahahahahahaha,

If that's the best you can come back with, I will take that as a win

This made me laugh, a piece from the BBC website

'Green also wants United to outline how they will compensate fans for expenses, including travel and accommodation costs.'

So lets get this straight, if this happened at a huge international game, will the host FA, cover all the costs as mentioned by a MP above. I don't think many clubs or even a FA would

Anyway, I thought liverpool were the scummy team!

​You're clearly out of ideas.

Its far too idiotic a comment to come back with anything else, the lengths people go to try and stick mud to a club that they don't like. It’s ridiculous. Manchester United have been praised by those in the know, the evacuation of 76k people was perfect (the first time its been done in the UK) They have given all the fans a refund and free entry to the game, not only that but the owner of the security company has taken full responsibility.
Wait, what’s that I hear? People who weren’t even there or don’t know the full story say otherwise? Well hold the back pages and get them on the phone.
P.S the fact you said "I'll take that as a win" makes you sound like your fresh out of Primary School.

Whilst I agree we should but what about other situations where games get called off?. Is the onus on the home team to pay for them?. It leaves the door open for liability in regards to other costs etc. I think what United have offered is fair.

Well it doesn't, really. When games are called off for weather, the referee is making that decision and normally as early as possible. If that happens, then it happens and fans expect this.

In this situation, the game has been abandoned because of a big safety concern, wrongly caused by a contractor Manchester United hired...

Manchester United refunded the money of the tickets, and allow anyone that had a ticket and can get to the rearranged game in for nothing. For many many thousands of people, this is like a £40+ freebie and is costing the club millions and millions of pounds. By the rules of the Premier League, they had zero obligation to do this!

Bournemouth have helped out by putting on 8 free coaches their end for a few hundred supporters to the tune of just a few grand at most. Admirable, but also confusing why United are getting stick and Bournemouth are the heroes?

It was clearly a simple human error where the security firm made a mistake, but it's also reasonable to not expect United to do a daily sweep of a massive 76,000 seater stadium for toilet bombs. The head of security there isn't a Lethal Weapon 2 obsessive.

Calm down everyone. It's pretty stupid blaming Manchester United and calling them scummy. You certainly wouldn't be saying this if this incident were a real terror situation, I know that the reaction on the day from the club were excellent and most people in the business I have spoken to were impressed and have praised the club. This is much more important for the future of sporting events in this country.

No by Stevie Wonder!

The irony of you suggesting "you sound like your" (it's you're by the way) "fresh out of Primary School"... when your previous response was "FFS hahahahahahaha," is astonishing.

I have no dislike towards Man United. When they offered their own fans the refund/free entry, they had no option but to offer the same to the Bournemouth fans.

All I am suggesting, that you seem to be completely missing, is that it is Manchester United who had the contract with the security firm who left the device there and caused the match to be abandoned. In my personal opinion, Manchester United should fork out the few thousand (at most) for putting on a few coaches for the Bournemouth fans. This is Manchester United who have just announced record revenue...

I am surprised they don't put a tiny bit of residue on the fake devices to test the dogs out. Would make more sense to me. Also many sniffer dogs can't sniff out TATP which is quite the favourite for ISIS, Al Qaeda etc.

1- Look up the meaning of irony.
2 - They didn't have to offer refunds to anybody.
3 - You seem to think I'm missing the point when I fully understand what you're saying. You're talking ****, I think large majority can all see that.
4 - Manchester United are forking out £3 million for something that wasn't their fault.

But no let's give them abuse for not hiring a few buses. Going by the fact that this "deal" has got very hot would suggest to me that you're in the minority.

I found that odd myself, or why they needed devices in the first place when they were training the handlers and not the dogs.

The facts
The security company hired the venue (Old Trafford) from the club, they were not working for the club.
All devices were signed back in and "accounted for". (Wrongly)
The "Bomb" was hanging on the back of a toilet cubicle door. As a previous poster mentioned, you'd only notice it if you went in to the cubicle and shut the door (it was spotted by somebody doing just that). Not by opening the door and looking in the cubicle (as any security sweep would have done).
Sniffer dogs would not have found it as no traces of explosives were used (It was not a sniffer dog exercise but a handler exercise). So hardly surprising it wasn't found beforehand.
Your consumer rights are not governed by which team you support (Some posters on here are suggesting that Manchester United should pay for the Bournemouth fans to travel). Most fans at most big matches incur costs travelling to the game, (Train, Bus, Tram, Fuel etc) a very small percentage live within walking distance.
Most people travelling to the game will easily have their original travelling costs covered by the full ticket refund being given. All original ticket holders are being given a full refund AND a free match ticket.
What more can Manchester United do?

​you don't really know what was the situation and who are responsible really do you. do you blame the world trade centre for being in the way if the two planes for causing thousands of death on 911, do you blame tfl for not having some kind of terrorist detection and bomb detection on the tube and the bus for causing 711 in London? do you blame the Belgium airport operator for not being able to stop the suicide bombers? world trade centre operator meant to keep their build operational and tfl and its franchises are supposed to make sure tubes and buses are safe, Brussels international airport operator certainly meant to keep their premise secure. so the crazy bombers have no blame but the places got targeted are to be blamed because they are supposed to keep things "operational". what kind of terrorist planet you live on? on wait, there is a region in the middle East where people have exact same view point as you, I think they call themselves the Islamic state, you should buy one way ticket to raqqa mate and join you psycho friends.

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Man, that's got to hurt, Sad Sack.

You watch, all this and it will be 0-0 :laughing:

Blimey! And I thought women were supposed to be the gossips!

I'm sure some of the rival fans calling United a scummy club etc., took delight in the Glazer take over. Have your cake and eat it. To my mind Manchester United have made the appropriate and significant financial gesture regarding the tickets at the cost of £3 million. Beyond the ticket price, I wouldn't expect my travel costs to a public event to be refunded if the event is cancelled.

There has been a suspect package at Old Trafford for the past two years, it has cost the club far more than £3M, and it's the biggest hoax of all.

60,000, are you sure? Even if you exclude the Man Utd fans who have travelled from abroad wouldn't that figure be higher?

Competition time.

See if you can spot supporters of other teams in this thread.

I wonder if anyone has compensated the bloke who went to use the toilet for some new boxers :wink:

Hey what if infact it was a real bomb and they are just using the security firm as a scapegoat to allay fears and not scare of future crowds?

Eh? Eh?

Fergie retired a long time ago thankfully, so that doesn't happen any more :wink: :P

Worrying thing was even though the bomb was a fake it was only discovered around 20mins before kickoff. Shouldnt they sweep the stadium well before the fans are even inside? o_O

As an AFCB fan who travelled up on Sunday but can't go tonight I'm gutted about not getting the chance to see my side play at Old Trafford. Watching it on the TV just isn't the same.

Manchester United are a horrible uncaring club for not even appearing to care about helping with our travel expenses, but I guess it's behaviour to be expected in the Greed League.

aren't both sets of fans effectively getting to see the match for free after getting a refund and a new ticket for nothing (if I understand correctly)??

I think united has done alright by them given the circumstances - it would be impossible to refund all travel costs anyway as people would just take the **** with it

I wonder how many people sat on that toilet, saw it, and didn't do anything about it?! Surely more than one of the tens of thousands of people at the ground would have seen the "authentic-looking" device, but didn't say anything to anyone. THAT is what scares me!

I'm an united fan and end of the day it was human error but I agree that any extra cost that fans have to pay should be covered by united ie travel and such. fair play to them for what they have done so far tho.

The controlled explosion was the loudest thing to happen at Old Trafford all season.

They got the money for those tickets already before the sunday fiasco

What?

Third forced delay by Man Utd this season, previous two they were fined a paltry £5000 by the FA. The bomb was used in a training exercise on Wednesday, four days before the fiasco. It was found in a toilet by the pastor, yes the security firm accepted responsibility as they should have checked the number they left with but why didn't the cleaners find the object in four days since the exercise?

That's what happens when people buy tickets, they find them online or on the ticket booth and pay for them, ticket gets delivered or collected, club gets their money before the game starts. Like who's going to take the chance to try and buy a ticket half an hour before kickoff when they're likely sold out by then

you are clearly a bit outdated when it comes to afcb finances

I have no idea what you're talking about. Sorry.

Ah crap just realised Man Utd refunded the tickets, sorry

Haha, I was wondering :smiley:

Yeah all my friends have paid alot of money was meant to be a celabration of my team A.F.C. BOURNEMOUTH staying in the prem saw all the photo's of the day and then this what a mess MAN U

Man U could put buses on for as many fans as possible, then claim the costs back from the security firm and/or insurance.

Ah OK ... I see a Russian sugar daddy is at the helm.
Nobody wants Stockport County. :disappointed:

Nope...you are aware we receive millions upon millions for staying in the Premier League for a second term right?

Also I'm not asking for much from Manchester United, but some kind of gesture (aside from the refund, which is surely a given considering the circumstances?) to AFCB fans who spent hundreds on travel/hotels/food and now can't see the match - purely due to MUFC's ineptitude - would be a start.

Just surprised that the stinking media haven't started up their usual crap that it would be "good for english football" if Man U won 19-0 and got in the Champs League - done similar for decades. As they also did repeatedly for Liverpool

Ahh the old SAF tactics. FACT :smiley:

No. Man U fans believe only what the media conveniently tell them. Rather like Villa fans. But they're incapable of thinking for themselves, so understandable :laughing:

'Oh look there's a bomb in exactly the same place as where we did that 'ooh look there's a bomb' training exercise less than 72 hours ago. What are the odds?'

IT WAS'NT THE CLUBS FAULT.
Yet, they have given every supporter a free ticket at a cost of £3 million. That is a massive offer of generosity yet it’s not enough for some. I’ve heard people say the club is greedy (which is unbelievable) but for me it’s the fans who need to be realistic.
Would they get the same at a concert? We both know the answer to that..

"Manchester United will lose millions on this"

Hilarious. They'll be claiming back on the security guy's public liability insurance.

So you're suggesting that Manchester United may allow organisations with no public liability insurance to work on health and safety at Old Trafford? That would be something..

Sounds like a dodgy plot for a gay porno.

Amazing what some clubs will do to avoid playing mighty Bournemouth..

So an external firm uses a building, the owner does not do their own sweep/'all clear' prior to an event at that building? How about cleaners employed by MU, nothing cleaned after use by external firms?

Seems like MUFC should share some of the blame too in my opinion

I blame them for screwing up the paperwork but I think a degree of blame needs to go the person in the cubicle who ignored the white label reading “training aid. If found contact SSMS” followed by the company’s telephone number...

Don't be so stupid. Of course I don't have a copy of their insurance policies in front of me to check. However, any company that doesn't have insurance to cover things beyond their control is a bit stupid. Plus, I also put 'or the security company', they were at fault, they should pay. Their negligence caused the match to be called off, they should pay. I don't see why Man Utd should be out of pocket at all really.

Hated, adored, never ignored! #MUFC

:smile::smile::smile::smile::smile:

I'd be more than happy with a full refund and free entry into the game.

Can't please some people it seems, who knew not putting up the money for 8 coaches despite the already aforementioned gesture of a full refund and free entry would disgruntle so many!

Perhaps the club should have just paid for the 8 coaches and still charged for the match or offered a refund, as seemingly that's what a lot of the disgruntlement is about.

hilarious!

If you find this device with a phone attached to it then please phone the number on the bomb (I super duper promise it wont detonate the bomb)

How exactly is this classed as a deal? Its merely compensation/alternative arrangements for people that were inconvenienced by a sporting event being cancelled at short notice.

No way some scally from Manchester didn't just take the phone and leave the fake bomb imo.

​you are kidding!?

Can i suggest you move away from it to call. Should not use electronic devices near a suspect package...

This isn't a 'Deal'.

Having seen man u fans interviewed afterwards it looked like Bournemouth fans might be the local ones.

​Nobody has said Utd are completely without liability. On the other hand you said they were completely liable. Understand? You are pretty much the only person in this thread with the blinkers on.

The anger is understandable, although it's hardly down to the ineptitude of United. They pay contractors to do a job correctly in which case the security checks were completed and all false devices collected according to a checklist which is document created for the soul purpose of ensuring that a clean up is carried out and nothing is left untouched. The security company has taken full responsibility for this mishap and although MUFC is the elephant in the room with regards to headlines it's not their responsibility to ensure the security company completes it's checks correctly as that's what they are paid to do, hence why they've taken full responsibility.

I think people in this thread really are going way over the top with regards to what happened. MUFC acted accordingly unbeknown to them that the device was in fact a dummy/false device, evacuating the stadium very responsibly and in a fashion which ensured the safety of lives which takes priority. The evacuation was swift and executed to the benefit of everyone in the vicinity of the stadium.

People are talking of facts but alot of it seems to be fiction. What is fact is that the security company admitted fault and that this was completely the responsibility of that said company.

While it can be annoying, I bet most civil and normal fans attending on Sunday are pleased they were evacuated at the time due to the unforeseen. United didn't have to give free admission but they have to the benefit of the fans, Bournemouth didn't have to give free travel to their own fans but they have. Just let it be and enjoy the benefit of what is on offer rather than choosing to winge about the source of it and who is to blame, life's to short.

To anyone that goes, have a good night and enjoy the Theatre of Dreams.

You would seriously phone a number on a bomb to which a phone was attached?

SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE or SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN THERE. It's English, not rocket science. Oh, and it's MUFC's responsibility for letting the muppets in in the first place, so it is their responsibility if the muppets leave a bomb behind.

This entire thread has been great read. Countless numbers of internet experts arguing about security procedures and liability. I even seen one guy quote Daily Mail comments to back up his argument. Fantastic stuff.

Utd did everything they could be reasonably expected to once the 'device' was discovered. Calm evacuation after initially determining the threat (the device visually looked legit and evacuating that many without panic is no easy task), bomb squad called and on site pretty quickly, correctly called off the game, did a proper investigation and found the root cause of the fake device, refunded all fans tickets, re-arranged the fixture in a very quick time frame, gave free tickets to the game. I don't see what else they could do really.

Arguably they could of offered to pay for some buses for Bournemouth fans, it would be a drop in the ocean compared to the £3m ticket costs, however I suspect they have not done this as it opens a can of worms - Utd fans travelling from afar would be annoyed away fans are benefiting more than home fans.

I had the chance of ticket and travel for the game and very nearly went - I live in Edinburgh...so dodged a bullet there!
It's those kind of fans I feel sorry for (and obviously Bournemouth fans will all be in this boat). Travelling fans often cannot go to midweek games (due to work and travel times) so maybe could of gone on Sunday but not on Tuesday.

To be fair this is a pretty convincing looking pipe bomb. It was strapped to the back of a toilet door. Some poor person obviously sat on the toilet and saw that thing. No doubt their deposit happened instantly.

I bet they aren't complaining that the match is cancelled.

Erm...it is merely compensation. The free ticket is part of that compensation.

If United do go for the 4th place, and score 19 more goals than Bournemouth, let me know, I'll watch the highlights whilst riding my unicorn.

Exactly. You don't understand anything about running a football club or major events so you're guessing. You haven't got a clue. You're making assumptions.

You know normal home insurance often doesn't cover extremely bad bouts of weather, with "act of god" being cited as a reason for non payout? How do you know there isn't a reason for non payout for this event?

You don't. But you're happy to make sweeping statements besides being literally clueless (as admitted by yourself).

Will LVG risk resting some players for today and hoping to win the FA cup instead?
Only if we kept onto the lead given by Martial against West Ham :disappointed:

I had a ST at Old Trafford for 38 years and yes I'm from salford, it WAS ultimately the clubs fault that the game was abandoned, they should in my view compensated travel costs for both home and away fans at a minimum.

Even a draw would of been sufficient given that City didn't win. All our own fault, so can't complain too much.



Completely disagree. Easy to shout out that it should happen - do you really think the Admin staff at Old Trafford could handle travel cost claims for tens of thousands of fans (more importantly before Tuesday)? 100% no way, you must understand that?

Kev, I didn't say they should be compensated before Tues, they should put something in place to compensate as IT WAS 100% the club responsibility the game was abandoned (they contracted the security training firm).
Don't be blinkered by your allegence to the club, they don't care about the fans, they only care about money under their current ownership.

Only after I got a selfie with the bomb and posted it on Facebook, just in case.....

The FA should also get involved.

The device was in place since the Wednesday before, it does not instill confidence in the security that it was only found at 2:40 on Sunday afternoon.

As a fan I would expect the ground to be safe and all checks to have been done prior to anybody entering the ground on Sunday.
Club 100% at fault and should face up to their responsibilities.

seems a little missleading this header..

"Free entry for Manchester United & AFC Bournemouth fans / Free coach travel for AFC Bournemouth fans Manchester United v Bournemouth at Old Trafford on Tuesday, May 17, at 8pm"

i hope the hukd dont turn up enmass.

Cleaners tend to clean the toilet cubicles with the doors open, come-on now, you know that. Also, they would only be cleaned after the match and not cleaned again until the following match, but I’d hazard a guess and say you knew that as well.

The toilet is the number one spot to hide a bomb? Jesus wept.

Kev, yes the security firm accepts responsibility but the club employed them to do the job so bare ultimate responsibility, take the red specs off.
Did you attend the game? Did it cost you to attend? Was it the fans fault?
Good on Bournemouth for paying the costs for fans travelling back up today, shame on MUFC.

Great package deal.

Do people not understand that security sweeps should take place just prior to every game, not days before, and not by cleaners.

If security checks fail the people are at risk, what's very worrying is even though security checks had been done they did not find anything and it was left to a fan to report a bomb which turned out to be fake.

Kwh, yes 100%

How is this a deal? It's merely Man U giving people what they've already paid for.

KWh, so the stadium being big is an excuse for not being secure?

If a concert is cancelled because the artist is "Sick" on the day, all you get is a refund of the ticket face value or the possibility of a reschedule. You don't even get the booking fee back.

The fact that united have both refunded the tickets to everyone and also given each individual the option of a free ticket at an estimated £3m loss is above and beyond what most offer.

Beerman , sort off you get tour ticket money credited back and you can get in using your ST or ticket for free, its only a deal for existing ticket holders.

Karpy, £3m is nothing to mufc in the scheme of things, Bournemouth have shown them the way by paying for fans to re attend, good on them.

It was used in an exercise involving explosives dogs, surely they would make it smell of explosives for them to find it?

I think it was mentioned before that if the bomb didn't contain real explosives then the dogs wouldn't find it so what sort of training were they doing? Surely one that involved visually searching likely spots so it is worrying that the either original firm or MU's own firm both failed to find it (unless they ONLY use dogs but then we're back to "what's the point"!).

Ive been to away games where I've travelled to the ground only for it to be called off when you get there due to the weather, that's an act of god, incompetence on the other hand is something else.
Mufc care only about image and money, they were offering extra fa cup tickets to execs if they renewed to the detriment to ST holders who had been to all the games only 2 weeks ago.

Hope they've checked the toilets

How is this a deal? It's like voting hot on a faulty product recall because you get the same as you had anyway free in return?!

The exercise was for the dog handlers not the dogs.
I think that's the problem with this discussion, people are posting without knowing all the facts (this posts not aimed at you by the way)

Kev, it would be for the club to administer, it has the address of every single ticket holder, it also as the financial means to step up, the club is in the wrong not the match going fans.
I myself wouldn't expect anything as I live round the corner, but others and they are in the vast minority spent alot on travelling, hotels etc.

I am a mean moany faced auld Git (that`s what my 3 children call me) who can find fault with just about Anything.
I believe Man United`s offer is a fair and generous one and should be appreciated by those who are entitled too it.
My name should give you an idea as to where I come from so I am not biased in any way.

Kev, kWh, did you go to OT on Sunday?

Yes, it was a training exercise for the dog handlers not the dogs themselves; therefore there was no need to have explosives on the dummy bombs. The fact the security manager signed off all bombs as being found, returned and signed off is not the fault of the club in anyway.
I’d imagine the majority of the building (public areas anyway) are mainly checked by dogs, and rightly so as they are by far the best and quickest way to do this. In addition to this I’d imagine there is a security sweep, but this will be visual only. The reason it wasn’t spotted was it was behind a toilet door, during a visual check I’d say behind the toilet door isn’t checked (you can’t check everywhere, its impossible)
If it had been in plain site, then yes, it would be concerning but that’s not the case here.

KWh, so had it been a bomb , and it went off it could have killed me as my ST is very close to the area affected, but you want to defend the club regardless, but me as a very long term match goer should just put up with the incompetence of the club I support and be happy that some OTT fans spent alot to attend a non event, Bournemouth stepped up mufc haven't.

From BBC Sport just now, the view of a Bournemouth fan:

"Fans said many people were unable to attend the re-arranged game due to work and family commitments.

But Steve James, who has clocked up more than 8,000 miles going to every game this season, was remaining chipper.

He said: "It was a long drive home but you can't really complain - they've given us a refund of our tickets, we're on the bus today for free.""

Seems reasonably happy with the situation.

Fair play to Man Utd for offering this after a horrible situation on Sunday! The situation doesn't cover them in glory but the reality could have been much worse had they played on and there was a legitimate device in place. I'm just glad the only crashing heard on Sunday was that of Spurs' bottle at St James' Park :smile:! God knows how we've finished above them again.....

They weren't in Uniteds "employ".
Private security firm used Old Trafford for the training of explosive sniffer dogs.

Kev, its not for me to administer? Its also not for me to say what the rules would be for compensation etc. It's just the club should step up like Bournemouth have.
It would be easy for supporters club branches to provide details.

Again were you there on Sunday, did it cost you anything to attend? Because I know for a fact that some fans attended and are well out of pocket due to no fault of there own.
As previously stated I'm not after compensation myself as I walked 20 mins to the pub then another 20 mins to the ground, some others attended (few thousand) from much further away.

You've been watching too many accident lawyer adverts.

should be a goalfest

The more I think about it, the thought that people are even suggesting Man Utd should cover travel costs becomes even more ludicrous.

United are selling a ticket for admission to the match. It doesn't matter if you are going to a concert, a football match, rugby match, going swimming, going to a stately home.... because you are buying admission and that is all.

Absolutely it sucks if you came a long way, but that's the chance you take when you attend any event far from home, it doesn't just apply to Man United. **** happens, but you don't hear people turning up on HUKD crying about travel costs when a match is postponed due to bad weather (different circumstances of course but in this instance you sure as hell won't get to watch the rescheduled match free of charge).

The club has gone beyond what was "right" by giving free admission to everyone. That's way beyond "the least they could do", and is, as someone said above, fair and generous to all.

Seriously - dry up, anyone who is suggesting United have been anything but fair to the punters here needs a slap.

KWh, facts are it does not instill confidence in united's security that it was not found in the fours days it was placed there regardless of it being a fake. Would you trust united finding a real bomb if one was there, I for one wouldn't.
I've been frisked only a few times in 38 years entering OT and plenty of people smuggle beer into the ground and only a few get it confiscated on the way in.

kWh is a total troll. I think he knows Ruud is completely correct but just likes to bait with stupid comments.

Go to go now, got pub then football match to attend.

Taken from the Department for Culture, Media and Sports guide to safety at sports grounds

3.1
Management responsibility for safety
As emphasised in Chapter 1, responsibility for the safety of spectators at sports grounds
lies at all times with the ground management.
The management will normally be either the owner or lessee of the ground, who may not
necessarily be the promoter of the event.
Representatives of the local authority, together with police, fire and ambulance officers,
should – preferably through a co-ordinated approach – advise management on how to
discharge this responsibility and, in certain circumstances, may require measures to be
taken in order to achieve reasonable safety standards. This does not, however, exonerate
the ground management from its responsibility for the safety of spectators.

3.32
Commercial or non-sporting activities
Management has a direct responsibility to ensure that commercial or non-sporting
activities do not in any way compromise safety at the ground, either by creating any
physical obstructions, hindering the safety operation or endangering spectators.

The management team at Old Trafford are directly responsible for what has happened. I never said that the security firm aren't at in the wrong, but MU are ultimately responsible.

HUKD, please stop this merry-go-round... I want to get off. :smiley:

Got about £40 of free booze to drink now mate, just a shame Utd didn't step up...

It's the grounds management responsibility for any business activities which take place inside Old Trafford. It's their ground, and their responsibility to manage the ground. Why can people not get that?

Actually, yes.

Well said. Their super dim staff cant even read the words 'dummy device' on a huge sticker!
and yes I do dislike Man U and all their glory hunting Surrey-based, know-nothing fans

Its all fine having free coach travel, but bournemouth fans won't get the 20 hours of their lives back. It's an awful journey too, I've done it before southampton to Man City. Only 1 stop along the way and coaches are always cramped. The fans won't be back till 3-4am either.

Good on any bournemouth fans still going, I wouldn't. Anyone else notice that it was only united fans being evacuated? Left the bournemouth fans in the stadium as long as possible. If it was a real bomb I wouldn't have wanted to be there

Is it true that the "bomb" was behind a toilet door?

If so, or in a similarly obvious place, I'm inclined to agree with you.

If it was hidden though, which wouldn't surprise me given the nature of the training, then I think it would be a bit ridiculous to expect United to check above every ceiling panel, inside every toilet cistern etc. etc. before every game.

The phrase is "reasonably practicable" in construction, and I'm sure the same would be applied here. As someone said, the company signed off saying that all devices had been retrieved - that's sheer negligence as it simply wasn't true.

However, I honestly expect United's pre-match inspections are just as good as anyone elses in the Premier League, they've just been the ones caught with their pants down on this occasion.

Either way, you can bet that said company will be nowhere near a football ground again.

Except it's not really safety issue, no one was injured or hurt. The event was called off which is a contractual issue rather than a tortious one. Where the liability lies will depend on the various contractual relationships.

It's all well and good calling them super dim, but the gaping hole in your logic, the massive flaw in your argument, and the blindingly obvious undermining of what you have said is to point out that by your logic all a terrorist would have to do to get a real bomb through would be to put a huge sticker on it saying "dummy device".

Maybe that's were IS is going wrong, they should just walk around in T Shirts saying "not a terrorist" and the security services will leave them alone.

Scummy club?? its people like you that ruin the rep of football. Have a bit of banter and leave it at that.

apparently once all the fans are in the ground tonight they are going to have a game of pass the parcel

They evacuated everyone in order of proximity to the threat, the "bomb" was in a quadrant in the north east corner so they evacuated the Stretford End and Sir Alex Ferguson stands first as these were the most threatened. They do it incrementally to give people chance to dissipate from the immediate area outside the stadium. They then evacuated the other stands, the away fans section is the furthest from the immediate threat (i.e. the quadrant between the East Stand and the Sir Bobby Charlton stand) so it makes sense it would be last.

It's also standard protocol to leave a gap before letting away fans out (happens at every game at OT and probably most other grounds), it means there is less mixing of fans outside and less chance of trouble. It's just a safety thing, nothing sinister going on and I'm sure if it had been found in the away fan section then they would have dispensed with the standard protocol (given the greater danger) and let the away fans out first.

At the end of the day, if anyone gets injured then it's a PI claim against united. The amount of the claim would be the same for an away fan as it would be for a home fan so there is no reason for them to put the away fans in more danger than the home ones.

No doubt they will be refunded by Man Utd or the security company.
Regardless the good news is that nobody got injured and everything went as well as it could knowing there might be a bomb in the building. Hindsight is a wonderful thing an many speak from the current position, but rewind the situation and would you have done?

And how do you know it does? I know fans are out of pocket through no fault of their own, the security company has admitted it was fully responsible, so why exactly shouldn't they pay the fans back who have lost money through them not doing their job properly? Are you the owner of the security company or something?

Glass half full. The fans won't get 20hrs of their lives back but luckily they have the rest of their lives to do whatever they want and can. Its all good talking about this with hindsight but i'd rather they evacuate, cancel, or whatever to the game if they is safety issues.
As for evacuating the home\away fans like someone has already said the value of life (monetary or otherwise) is the same for home or away fans.
Luckily no major mishaps occured, everyone got out, it'll send a signal to spectators and terrorist of the safety measures. The fact that people didn't panic, there were no off-the-pitch incidents, no other major issues - I'm sure most supports "can live" with non productive 20hrs in their lives.
peace-out

You just said "fans are out of pocket". No they're not. They've got a refund for the ticket from Man Utd and Bournemouth are paying their travel back.

I am not the owner of a security company and I do not know who is liable for the cost. I never said I did. YOU were the one who made the sweeping statement that "man utd can claim from the security company" without any knowledge of the subject. I have NOT made any concrete, sweeping statements as I do not claim to know how it works.

I do, however, know three things with certainty:

1) Man Utd have reimbursed the fans to the tune of millions.
2) They DID NOT HAVE TO REFUND THEM AND GIVE THEM A FREE TICKET, so it's a fantastic gesture (a fantastic gesture that seems to have upset you)
3) You make spurious claims (claiming that Man Utd can claim money back or some nonsense) without ANY evidence and that you have subsequently admitted that you don't have a clue how a football club, or insurance claims by a football club, work.

So with this logic every terrorist incident is the fault of someone who didn't stop it. Not the person who, you know...blew people up?

Absolute tripe. Hush.

Ding ding ding and we have a winner.

This wasn't a terrorist incident though.

You do know that the (very) large majority are placing no blame on Manchester United, maybe they all have blinkers on and you don't. Or maybe, just maybe, you're wrong.
Give it up. You're wrong. Get over it.

You're right, you have no idea. I can pretty much guarantee if someone took the security company to court for their expenses they would win though. I might not know how a football club works but I know the law, a lot better than you from your ill informed comments.

As for the fans aren't out of pocket, you are saying every single fan who was at the match are getting free travel to tonights game? All 70k of them? How about the ones who can't go tonight, they getting their train fares or petrol refunded too? No? Thought not.

Please highlight how this proves your point because to me it proves you're totally wrong.

Did hear someone flew in from Munich specially to see the game on Sunday, more than a little disappointed flying back that day!

Match is on, please close this. Especially as Utd have scored.

I struggle with dyslexia so my apologies that I haven't met the standard of English you are used too. Next time I will drop you message to make sure i have it right.....

But i will leave you with this.... It might be English for you but alot of the time it is **** rocket science to me.

​people like me ruin the rep of football. I'm a season ticket holder at my club, Rotherham United. I go with the kids, the girlfriends dad and grandad, and a few other family members. we behave superbly both in and out of the ground and treat match days as a family affair . how exactly do I ruin the rep of football.

Now this, on the other hand.......

He won't take Rashford to the Euros.. he'll take Andwos Townsend, but will keep Rashford back until he "is ready" (instead of just playing him when he is in form and not injured).

Literally basing your claims on nothing. You can "pretty much guarantee" it? You can't. You absolutely can't.

You are a ridiculous person.

Don't know why this was posted up. It wasn't a hot deal for the public. Those who went to the match knew this already.

A lot*

*a lot