Playing a first person shooter on a console? Bless :stuck_out_tongue:

It's almost worth selling my PS4s and building a gaming rig again. Heat

Anyone got there keys yet?

Except Counterstrike Source, Day of Defeat Source, Battlefield 2, Battlefield Vietnam, Unreal Tournament 2k4, Battlefield 1942, Unreal Tournament, Day of Defeat, Counterstrike, TFC, Quake 3, Quake 2 and Quake 1 before it. Oh and Call of Duty 1, 2 and 3. And Medal of Honor. Oh and all the other oodles of HL1 and 2 mods, Firearms was great.

Totally groundbreaking, yes. Definitely the template for all gaming. (sarcasm!)

Great game though nonetheless, I had a lot of fun with it, and am contemplating forking over another £30ish to join a reinvigorated playerbase.

Yes, I have a gold i7 with 400tb ram and diamond encrusted keyboard. If I don't have to upgrade every 2 weeks I feel let down. PC rules .

We aren't elitists, nobody here has even put down consoles, most of us "PC elitists" have, or still do own consoles. But when you speak absolute nonsense so confidently, you should expect to be corrected. As you the part about the average gamer not caring about graphics.... equal tripe, why did 12 million + people buy star wars battlefront if that were true? The game is diabolical offering only nice visuals.

I'll answer your Wii U stuff, but then this thread should return to its purpose, i.e. being a deal. In my opinion, the Wii U was a very good console, but before it had even come out, it was savaged by the press. It never had a chance.

"Literally zero third party games" - bad choice of words. Of just one, I choose to mention Deus Ex: HR, it was fantastic on it.

The controller had a great concept, but sadly, it wasn't utilised to its fullest at times. But again, Deus Ex had a nice implementation for inventory control, hacking mini-games, constant map (which I prefer over any other version) and simple options via the touchscreen.

The online portion for the Wii U is a bit old-hat, but, it did have some nice ideas, i.e. the drawing/hand-written notes in Miiverse or those found in-game. Still, it could use a bit of work, i.e. integrated store-front ala Xbox/PS, party system, etc.

Overpriced? Hmm...yeah, I think that's a fair point. I know that's a reason my brother didn't buy one. But when he got to play it, he enjoyed it a lot.

One final point - If you examine the reason for why 3rd parties didn't want to get involved with the Wii U, you'll find that a lot of them said it was behind the Xbox One and PS4 in power, i.e. graphics, and this dissuaded them for developing for it. I'm sure I could find articles about it online, if need be. Anyway, back to the crux of this debate, graphics.



Listen, I wouldn't take some of the comments so seriously. They're obviously having a laugh and it's just a lark for them. But, if you buy into what they're saying, you'll just attract more of the same. Also, consoles compared to PC ARE underpowered by the time they hit the market. Sorry, that's just a fact. That doesn't make me a troll for saying the truth. Especially when I own one of the latest of those underpowered consoles!

The reason I own consoles is due to the games I want and the experiences I find on those platforms, e.g. I own Rainbow Six Siege on PC, but I also own it on Xbox One. I've put a lot more hours into the Xbox One version and enjoy the friends I've made through it, too. It's not the same for the PC version. But that's not a slight on PC, just in this particular case and that particular game.

Anyway, let's leave it there. This may be becoming a little too sensible a conversation for some!

Wii U flopped because its an awful console in general that appealed to no one not because it was underpowered but that is one if the reasons. Literally zero third party games, gimmicky tablet controller, awful online and very overpriced are all reasons why it flopped.

What you don't understand is that i am agreeing people buy games for their gameplay not graphics which is why it annoys me stupid PC trolls always bash consoles for being underpowered but when you tell them why doesn't every PC owner have top end hardware they flip flop the argument saying gameplay matter not graphics.

"you have explained yourself why power and graphics mean nothing to the average consumer." - uhm...the Wii U called and wants a word with that presumption you just made. If that statement you made was true, the Wii U wouldn't have been slagged off for being "underpowered."

I'm not here to lecture anyone about what they game on. I have a powerful gaming PC, but I also own around 5 gaming consoles. So, I like the shiny graphics on PC, but, graphics/power don't drive my purchase choices. If something is worth playing, it shouldn't matter what power a console has. Sadly, the general gaming masses don't think the same.

Then you and other PC elitists should understand why people prefer consoles over PC as you have explained yourself why power and graphics mean nothing to the average consumer.

Wha? Why should everyone who games on PC have to justify their gaming existence by having top-end hardware? Is it not enough to simply enjoy games and get what you want from them without breaking the bank? I'm sure a low-end £99 GPU, which exceeds current-gen console performance, will be good enough for some. Others who want a little more grunt, can check out the mid to low tier GPUs. And if you're clammering for a certain kind of performance/resolution/setup, etc., top-end GPUs like the 980ti, Fury X, 1080 series, etc. are more specific in their reach.

The true myth these days is you somehow "need" a monumentally expensive PC to enjoy it to the fullest. There's so many price points these days that it's a folly to think you can't start off with a lower spec PC, but with great graphical quality.

Every time you talk, you just seem less and less informed. Even most modern releases do not require the best hardware available. I've had my current pc for over three years now and I have not upgraded a thing, my GTX 680sc still runs everything perfectly fine at 1080p. The only reason you would want to spend big on the really high end hardware is if you are gaming at incredibly high resolutions and frame rates, or with multiple screens etc. Even a half decent medium range pc will run absolute rings around a console and perform more than adequetly for the average gamers needs. Forget the top GPU's and other hardware when looking at PC's. That's like thinking you'll need an Eurofighter Typhoon for your first flying lesson, in reality, a Tutor will do just fine. But all of the console guys think you need a Typhoon of course simply because they exist... And yes, there are of course issues with installers etc on some old games, but we still have access to way more titles than you. You really should look in to the platform a bit more before spreading such nonsense.

If your not gonna have the top end PC hardware then why even game on PC? At that point you might as well be playing on consoles. Also being able to play every game released on modern PCs is a myth and lie. Most games on PC have problems with certain old games and wont even boot up. Nice try though.

I love that how my old gaming rig still out performs my ps4 and xbox one.

Not spent any money on pc for 2 years and that was a gfx card, pc was built 4 years ago and is still solid.

Again, very ill informed. The majority of pc gamers do not own, or even need the top end hardware, it's just nice to have that option for those who do wish to pay that kind of money for the absolute best performance (usually for multiple monitor setups etc). Would this not apply more to yourself? You can't upgrade parts as you wish, if a new console releases and your old one is left behind, you have to get the new hardware. I love that I can play games from the 90's and insane modern day games on the same rig. You should really give it a try before forming silly opinions and slating the superior platform.

No. Microsoft is adopting this stance for first-party games, but they don't enforce it on 3rd-party devs/pubs. And knowing Activision who stopped steam users from sharing CoD via "family sharing," no doubt, this won't be the case. They should do it because they'll sell more for sure.

If I purchased this on Windows pc can I play on my xbox one with play anywhere?

Hilarious send-up!

Us pc gaming gods have wealth and riches beyond the imagination of you filthy console peasants. This is not an issue.

How does it feel always being in a state of fear and buyers remorse and knowing there will always be that hardware that you have to have?

Silence you filthy console peasant.

Because they have a sense of humour... And also you don't have a clue what you are talking about :smiley:

Spoken like a true connoisseur of ignorance. What games died on PC in weeks exactly? Apart from bad ones such as BF Hardline and Star Wars battlefront? You do realise one of the benefits of a PC is that we can carry on playing older games, and regularly do...

Why did 34 people like this numpty's comment? As for you troll playing an fps on a PC is even more hilarious as most shooters and even other genres are dead within weeks on PC. No point having all that power when theres no one to play with.

Yeah, it does that to me on Titanfall. Tries to make AA 8x! Hah! I just put it back down and it runs fine, though. I like my 144Hz monitor, too :smiley:

The optimization settings do work well for 60fps usually, sometimes put them a bit high. However with an 144hz monitor it would be good if they could optimize for the display as well.

Sorry, you may try and deny what I'm saying, but here's an example - AMD R9 290 released in 2013 can comfortably play many, many games at above 60fps. Here are some linked examples:

Tomb Raider (2013) - http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=7255

Forza Apex (2016) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrfUrOgJkXw (Running 3200X1800)

Rocket League (2015) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU8obUoE2mk (FPS in the description)

Metal Gear Solid V (2015) - http://www.techspot.com/articles-info/1060/bench/1920.png

GTA V (2015) - http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=15593 (Very High setting)

In other words, a 3 year old card will last you nearly as long as a console generation. Only those that need the latest and greatest, most demanding graphics available, are going to be upgrading year to year. If you like games, you don't need that kind of upgrade path. And when both AMD and Nvidia offer applications that can optimise game settings for the best performance automatically, based on what card you own, you're laughing.

Most prob an automatic download
Key for new game tho obv

Had anyone heard how the remastered will be included? I'd buy this for the remastered if I could guarantee that it will be sold as 2 separate codes, then sell the code for Infinite Yawnfare.

I don't need a crystal ball to predict that this will be yet another unintuitive, uninspiring, overly-complicated nonsense to compensate for lack of creative imagination from the devs since West and Zampella left.

​I'm not averse to using a keyboard and mouse as I grew up playing unreal tournament, doom, duke, CS etc on them. Just prefer Xbox pad as that's what I originally owned COD on. Bet snipers are even more of a nightmare on PC too! Headshots by skill rather then COD auto aim I don't mind (was great in unreal tournament!) ATM my mouse and keyboard look is an all in one wireless set not suitable for gaming so maybe I'll invest if buy on this vs £80 on PS4.

Heheh, good answer :smile:

Do try and get your head round mouse though. If you have a laser, try an optical, if you have an optical, try a laser, if you have acceleration, try one without, or just try a different mouse altogether! And if you never bought a gaming mouse, try one! There's a bunchload of cheap low-brands on amazon nowadays, only with good sensors and switches, and accurate reviews to help you choose. Look for Omron switches and Avago sensor, and do a bit of googling!

Edit: Oh and a decent mouse pad too - rather a fan of hard metal myself, though popular opinion favours thin cloth.

Yeah actually many times it is or random bloke breathing heavily down his mic haha

It's always kids talking absolute crap lol

Cod 4 will have dedicated servers apparently

If you don't want the re-release then don't **** get it!

It's OUR money, not yours you plonker.

What you being like that for? No need for it.

Currently playing Squad on PC, dam it's a good game! Private dedicated servers, regular clan matches, cheaters are kicked and banned, everyone wants to play properly.

PC is far form dead :smiley:

Yeah, when you play rank Silver then you should expect the chat to be empty due to being with like minded people.

Just goes to show how good I must be then!

I paid £37.04 yesterday :disappointed:

I'm talking about personally, in a game the chat is always empty? Maybe it's just me... I ain't played the newer CS games I only played source and it was okay but again it felt dead even though it wasn't just because their was no people chatting, on xbl & psn ppl are always chatting and trying to work as a team.

Just been reading through some of the comment's and came to this one, I would like to point something out to you just in case you have not heard of it or played it previously which I would be surprised if you haven't.

Counter Strike Global Offensive, last year during ESL ONE if I remember correctly have over one million live views of the tournament final during the Fnatic game. That is not one million total views, that is one million people sitting/standing watching it at the exact same time live. To say PC online shooters have hardly any community is just incorrect in this case. FaceIT and ESEA have over 3 millions active members for CSGO.

I'm not aware of any Xbox and PS community's that are anywhere near this, do keep in mind the above is just for a single game.

The reason the majority of online fps games don't last or stay active is most likely due to CSGO. The Call of Duty franchise as it currently stands will never come to close to the competitive side for CSGO, the games they release just aren't designed in that way.

Would you class the console community as people you bump into in matches or do you have places you go to find regulars and join in with others apart from people on your friends list ?

PC is for when you wanna win. Console when I don't care :smiley:

Never played on the platform? Played PC for close to 20yrs now, online shooters have hardly any community compared to the console community, and fanboy? Really? I own PS3/4 psp/ xb1/360 / wiiu/3ds, I'm a gamer and I love all things gaming.

I have an opinion and I stand by it :smiley:

Hahaha, I honestly can't tell if you're a king of comedy, or a seriously deluded Xbox fanboy? No community on PC? You've clearly never played on the platform. If servers are dead on a particular PC game, it is likely either..

A: It's a bad PC port, as unfortunately several CODs are.
Or
B: It's just not a very good game, and given the PC has a much larger inventory than your xbox, people simply move on and leave the rubbish behind. This category includes BF: Hardline, Star Wars Battlefront (EA sh*te edition) and several call of duties.

Enjoy your xbox by all means, but don't be so insecure that you feel the need to justify this by talking rubbish.

Lol, nah i'm at work :disappointed:

I'm not splitting hairs but i paid £14 for the next gen version of GTA, which at the time was retailing for £50 as a digital copy, and let's be honest, it's a completely different game on next gen compared to 360. Really, it was designed for next gen in mind.

Like i mentioned i'm not really bothered, just annoys me.

Exactly so with buying GTAV a year later you have spent £90 on the same game within a year, that worse than waiting 9 years for a re release in my eyes. Also i suggest you pick up half of these games dude, they are some of the best you will ever play

Were you on the loo or something :smiley:?

Haha, no.

Nothing. What's wrong is paying again for the same game.

The Last of Us Remastered, - No
Metal Gear HD Collection, - No
God Of War 3, - No
Ocarina of Time 3DS, - No
Resident Evil Remaster, - No
Resident Evil 4 HD, - No
Wind Waker HD, - No
Twilight Princes HD, - No
Final Fantasy X/2 HD, - No
Borderlands HD Collection, - No
Dark Souls 2 Scholar of The First Sin, - No
Journey Remastered, - No
Devil May Cry Definitive Edition, - No
Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition, - No
Halo Master Chief Collection, - No
GTA V Next Gen Remaster, - Yes, however this had aditional features, and the game was still in it's prime, not 9 years old.
Metro Redux, - No
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition. - Yes, didn't own the original though.

In your opinion :man:

I was referring to graphics, not performance. However, now that you mention it, plenty of PC games at console level graphics can hit 60fps at a very cheap price point these days. You can play CoD, the recent Tomb Raider games, Forza (the new PC beta), Rocket League, Metal Gear Solid V, etc. etc. at 1080p 60fps. And you won't need to upgrade for a long time to come.

Now, if you meant the highest graphical fidelity that can't be achieved on a console, that's harder to pin down. Mainly because you can find plenty of console games ported to PC that can hit that high level of graphical quality and performance, but, you can also find lazy publishers (WB) that don't put in the thought for such things.

Anyway, game on whatever you want. I have both PC and consoles in the house. Enjoy games, just don't roll out the myth that you need to upgrade PCs often, because these days, that just isn't true anymore.

It's not true? If I want the best gaming experience? And I don't want console level gaming on my PC otherwise why bother with a PC ?

I'm playing MW2 right now on pc, currently their is 300 Players online, note this in the middle of the day on a Friday?granted its not "massive" but im finding matches without trouble, some game modes have just been abandoned but that's the nature of the beast, its always on the top 100 played games on steam everyday aswell

Finger crossed down the line just the COD4 remaster will be available to purchase.

I really enjoyed BF1942, the mods like Desert Combat, RTCW, Enemy Territory, Tribes 2 etc but the most vibrant for active communities was games like UT'99 with it's IRC chat system. I really can't understand why that type of feature isn't in every game.

​That's simply not true. I don't know what hardware you're buying for console level gaming, but it shouldn't require upgrades for years. Gone are the days when you needed high level hardware. I know someone on an old 7870 getting along happily with their pc gaming.

Yeah I know :-/ the consoles at release were rather meh and so this whole 4.5 thing and xb1 upgrades happen.

It's not a myth? I've had my PC a good while now and had to upgrade my cpu/gpu in order to play games in ultra.

It's not a myth..

​get used to upgrades bud even on consoles.. ps4.5 will pave the way for it I feel.

That's because they are full of cheating son of a bitch Russians.

Somehow CoD on PC manages to be even more hostile and unpleasant than CoD on console, something I would have never thought possible until I'd seen it with my own eyes.

Which moba style one? Paragon?

That is totally different compared with something like this.

True but that's due to the game not being able to hold people long enough.

CoD4 remastered will be played for a while. I remember plenty of people playing CoD4 even after Modern Warfare 2 coming out.

These days there are a lot of really good online shooters to play. Overwatch is a lot of fun and only weeks from release, Battleborn is out and there's Epic's new moba style game coming too.

When will this myth die..?

Its true though recent COD games community on PC don't last long

This was the game that made Online Multiplayer worth playing. It was the template for the games we play today.

Nostalga vote all the way. First Clan group I was in was on this game - we had (still got mine) t-shirts and everything. Made new friends. Just to play it again online in HD is more exciting than any Uncharted new release!!

Yes you are in the minority. For a very, VERY good reason.

All aboard the hype train! Woooo wooooo!

Seriously though, why are people paying money for a 9 year old game? I mean, your not really interested in IW's new release are you? ... are you?

Never really got into CS, I enjoyed CS Source for a short time, I've never really noticed the community on PC, it's always quite... Back in bf2 days and Vietnam it was great but more ppl seem to be getting consoles as the games are getting more and more advanced, people don't like to fork out the coin for upgrades every so often.

It's not stupid at all, what's wrong with wanting to play a very good looking remaster of a classic?

​There is a community on PC for fps games just not cod cause all the 12 year olds have consoles.

CS, insurgency etc have massive communities.

I know they said only 10 maps but I wonder if they add all the others thru season pass - hell wouldn't it be nice if all those user created maps worked in it too :smiley:

It is included -

Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare Digital Legacy Edition includes:

Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered

Does this include Modern Warfare Remastered?

Spaceships. Who hoo!!

Wait...

Spaceships? :confused:

I'm not particuarly bothered either way. I just prefer to look through the smoke that Activision hide behind when hyping their games up. Obviously they realise that people do not want jet packs and double jumps, but it is too late in the development cycle to change, so they have added a game that "everyone" wanted to see remade in hopes of selling more of the original game. Would they sell as many Infinity Warefare units if CoD4 was not included? I doubt it.

Yeah its rubbish on pc unless you like to cheat

You never bought single remaster then? your missing out Bro, The Last of Us Remastered, Metal Gear HD Collection, God Of War 3, Ocarina of Time 3DS, Resident Evil Remaster, Resident Evil 4 HD, Wind Waker HD, Twilight Princes HD, Final Fantasy X/2 HD, Borderlands HD Collection, Dark Souls 2 Scholar of The First Sin, Journey Remastered, Devil May Cry Definitive Edition, Devil May Cry 4 Special Edition, Halo Master Chief Collection, GTA V Next Gen Remaster, Metro Redux, Tomb Raider Definitive Edition. THE LIST GOES ON

You havent owned a single one of these?!

That's right, I am.

Much like I have rebought many remakes this gen.

Gears of war, dishonoured, ghosts, rare replay.

Not sure why it bothers you so much. Gonna be amazing.

Your giving money to a developer, to play a 9 year old game, that you already bought? Multiplayer or not, that's just stupid.

Maybe they will add dedicated servers, or at least sort there BS netcode out too right? /sarcasm

Cold

Hot, great price, cheers :smiley:

I play bf4 maxed out on PC but still prefer it on console, the community plays a big part for me and achievements/trophies

Yeh, but first person shooters are the type of game where the higher fps the better. Try playing at 144 fps on a 144hz monitor and you won't look back

I think most devs use the required fps, not all games require 1080p 60fps, and yea it's all down to personal preference :smiley: I just mainly use my PC for PC type games such as FM/wow/simulators

Half a job, Bob :smile:

Just teasing, no need to get touchy. Steady frame rates and better resolution/graphics just means a better experience for the player. Obviously console is more accessible but the experience itself doesn't compare (just an opinion).

Certainly not a good reason to vote a deal cold ;p

So? I prefer to play fps games on my Xbox one over the PC and ps4... There is no community on PC it's very dull and most likely the reason cod servers are kinda dead (compared to console)

This is for the PC so cold

i must be in the minority that prefer playing on a joypad. I managed to use xmodder for COD4 ages ago but wasn't great. I hear all this you'll get thrashed but I was always upper middle to top (same as I was on xbox) despite that. I prefer COD games on PS4 but if the price difference stays so great then I'll just buy this as I bet has full Xbox pad support for both (or it better!) Haven't looked into buying using my USA PS4 account yet though.

Heat for the price, think I'll just wait until closer to the time and see what it's dropped too

Forgot to put it in the title :stuck_out_tongue:

Got a little excited then, but followed the link and it's for PC, could of put it in the title... Heat anyway, just for the remaster.

It's almost worth selling my PS4s and building a gaming rig again. Heat

Nice find op, have a nice day, heat added :smiley: