I was on the lookout for some LED bulbs to replace existing GU10 halogen lamps in the kitchen and came across these on sale at Wickes. They're usually £6 each but there's currently a 50% discount if you buy a pack of 3 so it works out at £3.33 each. For Philips branded bulbs this is a good deal and cannot be found cheaper elsewhere. You can either click and collect from a local store, or have it delivered to your home for a charge unless you buy more than £50 worth of items in which case delivery is free.
These are warm white, 2700K, 350 lumens rather than 345 (confirmed when I received mine), non-dimmable, 5w (equivalent to 50w halogen bulb), with 36 degree beam angle, and a CRI (colour rendering index) of >80. They also come with 2 year guarantee from Philips.
The heigh is 55 mm and and width is 50 mm.
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F4STFORW4RD to LesD
8 Apr 163#13
As feival says that cheaper bulbs have 33% failure rate after 2 years, with zero failures for the Philips bulbs, that implies that the cheaper bulbs are more cost-effective if they are only a third of the price.
Depends how much the aggravation of changing failed bulbs winds you up, presumably.
GoNz017 to Cotterpin
7 Apr 163#5
Good luck on these lasting long, flickering, poor quality etc.
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matthew14
15 Apr 16#53
I bought 10 Asda branded ones for £2 each. so far very impressed but they are only a week old. Thought I'd throw in another option
morrig
10 Apr 16#52
Have half dozen of the 5watt £1 Home Bargains ones, two cooker hood ones illuminate half the kitchen as bright as 50watt halogen.Best led buys yet for value after the dimmable Asda ones.
SFconvert
10 Apr 16#51
Tesco are doing 3 Osrams gu10 and BC and ES bulbs for £10. Didn't look like a local deal so presumed national
spence129
9 Apr 16#50
My experience of Phillips led bulbs is appalling, they were lasting 6 weeks tops! Contacted Phillips they didn't care and just said bulbs can go at any time.
Been using tesco/sainsburys own and had the same bulbs for nearly 3 years!
pibpob
8 Apr 16#49
That's far less than the thermal time constant of a large LED on a heatsink though.
josephobrien2000
8 Apr 16#48
I have these. outstanding bulbs
alphamusic
8 Apr 16#47
I don't think thermal cycling would be a big issue for the LED itself. Dimmable LEDS are constantly cycling when they are partially dimmed, and there are many other long term applications where LEDS constantly cycle.
bekrii96
8 Apr 16#45
Don't mean to weigh in but a Decent 50w Gu10 usually gives out around 420-450 Lumens.
Any Decent equivalent LED, SMD or COB light has to give out 500Lm or ideally 80-100 Lms per watt.
A lot of these companies mislead the buyer with 5w equivalent to 50w as they use really low grade 50w bulbs that only produce 320-350 Lms.
The old lights, (ie) 100w bulb used to give out about 890-950 lumens.
Alternatively use the Frequency of the light use 6000k or 6400k as it gives the illusion the light is brighter, the eyes pupil constricts as it cant take in the light frequency hence you get a nice blue or white light around rather than the softer yellow. May give you a headache :-(
pibpob to bekrii96
8 Apr 16#46
Eh? Never heard about the eye being "fooled" like this - do you have a reference?
HHUKD
8 Apr 16#44
Mine have never shown any signs of being a fire risk. LEDs are quite susceptible to overheating. However, they never get as hot as an old style halogen GU10.
What annoys me is that all LEDs are sold as lasting thousands of hours. This just simply isn't true for the unbranded types that I have tried (£5 -£6 per bulb ish). I have had several replaced by the seller on Amazon.
Have searched and found MR11 GU10 online. Thank you
DontRun
8 Apr 16#42
Just be aware these only have a 36 degree beam angle. This will provide a bright focused area of light directly under the fitting, but will not provide a very wide spread of light over a large area, if this is what you want.
Sugarlumps146
8 Apr 16#33
Does anyone know where I can buy bulbs that are only 35mm wide?
pibpob to Sugarlumps146
8 Apr 16#41
Search for "MR11 LED" - I presume these are 12V ones.
pibpob
8 Apr 16#40
Yeah, there are big differences if you look a little further than the end of your nose. Just like, say, the difference between using a cotter pin and a more advanced method of attaching a bicycle crank. :wink:
the give a nice warm light not to yellow, use only 3.5w and have antiglare lens
failure rate appears to be about 3%-4% but i can just take them back
pibpob
8 Apr 16#38
Another thing that no-one appears to have mentioned is the colour rendering index - CRI. The fact that these lights actually have a specification given for it points to them being of good quality.
pibpob
8 Apr 16#37
Wouldn't you say that because the LEDs reach a considerable temperature, they could potentially be compromised by the thermal cycling of being switched on and off?
sonicdeathmonkey
8 Apr 16#36
Ok here we go.
Not all LED lamps are made equal. The key thing that really sets apart from LED lamp from another is the quality of the driver. Stick a few LED bulbs in a plastic housing does not make a quality LED bulb. Heat dissipation is everything. Some of the best LED lamps I have seed around ditch the plastic housing and go with full ceramic. The idiots on here that are quoting home bargains deals are not for a minute comparing like for like products. Do some research into this product sector before voting cold. This is a good deal have some heat.
nickc74
8 Apr 16#35
I've bought some today and they are fantastic bulbs, they look great, have a brilliant warm light (not sickly orange like some) and I'm off to get some more. Having bought non branded in the past buying these will blow any argument about better value for money out the water as soon as you plug them in. Have some heat.
Cotterpin
8 Apr 16#34
Swapped out 7 halogens for these in the bathroom sometime last year - approx 12 months ago IIRC. No problems with them whatsoever.
If you think the brand name is worth the extra, then that's your choice.
HHUKD
8 Apr 16#31
This looks like a good deal. I have a house full of the unbranded led GU10s from Amazon. I'm pretty disappointed with them tbh. They overheat and blow much quicker than they would have you believe.
Besford to HHUKD
8 Apr 16#32
So, are they a fire hazard? Important if left on as a security ploy!
yorkie
8 Apr 16#27
Hot deal for a branded bulb but I must be really lucky in that I have bought around 40 GU10 LED bulbs off Amazon from various manufacturers (around half are Sebson) and have not had a failure yet. I did have one that the glass on the front was cracked on arrival and just returned for a refund.
edamer to yorkie
8 Apr 16#30
Sebson are good bulbs, just stay away from the Ebay sellers of cheap bulbs.
GarryRF
8 Apr 161#29
Lozsta. The Police have issued a Top 10 list of things to do to secure your home. And there at #1 is
"Create the impression that someone is at home by leaving a light on inside your home."
Most offenders are opportunist young men who look for a home in total darkness. Lets hope your timer is ON when they pass by.
rossjamesparker
8 Apr 16#24
Out of stock online :disappointed:
kibz25 to rossjamesparker
8 Apr 16#28
It's been out of stock online before but they added more stock at a later point.
LesD
7 Apr 161#7
We desperately need someone to do an independent durability test on GU10 LEDs.
Is a £3 Philips 3 times better than a £1 Poundland?
F4STFORW4RD to LesD
8 Apr 163#13
As feival says that cheaper bulbs have 33% failure rate after 2 years, with zero failures for the Philips bulbs, that implies that the cheaper bulbs are more cost-effective if they are only a third of the price.
Depends how much the aggravation of changing failed bulbs winds you up, presumably.
alphamusic to LesD
8 Apr 162#14
This is quite unscientific, but I wrote an eBay guide discussing cheap Chinese GU10's. http://www.ebay.com/gds/GU10-cheap-LED-Bulb-comparison-/10000000119377785/g.html
More than 50% failed in the first year, and 75% within 2 years. I have completely given up on non branded bulbs. They can even be a safety risk. Even getting them at £1 each, it would be cheaper in the long run to buy these Philips ones. They will also likely be brighter for the same output rating. The cheap bulbs often exaggerate the lumen output.
I will be curious to see how filament LEDs do for longevity. I've been really impressed with the ones I have so far (I know this post isn't for filament LEDs but they are worth checking out).
edamer to LesD
8 Apr 161#15
Quite honestly yes, I have had non branded ones too a pack of 10 all failed within a year some they started going after about 3 months 2 failed straight out of pack and had to be replaced,
Branded ones pack of 10 not one failure within 2 years, take your choice.
iceni to LesD
8 Apr 16#26
I have a mixture of Philips and " from China " GU10's. It's nearly always the Philips I have to replace. None in my experience will last the 1000's of hours stated and even if they did they would be so dim as to be unuseable .So go cheap!
alphamusic
8 Apr 16#25
On off cycles affects CFL (florescent) and incandescent bulbs much more than LED. The LEDs themselves aren't affected at all by cycling, but potentially the power supply could be. Good to hear that Home Bragains are supplying lights that seem to be well designed and have good quality control.
dewponds
8 Apr 16#23
You get what you pay for (buy cheap buy twice!)
the 'quality' of light emitted of branded bulbs is generally better - no flickering, good tone, beam angle, long life etc.
if you want a cheap led bulb and not really bothered by any of the above then go to Home Bargains, Poundland etc
I can vouch for Philips led bulbs
good deal
GarryRF
8 Apr 16#17
I'm an Electrician. I've been fitting hundreds of the Home Bargains "Ecolight" GU10 for over 3 years now and had no complaints. I have them at home too. I leave them on in the back bedroom so the house always looks lived in. At 2p a week they make good security lights. That lights been on since 2012 non stop - and most important - it hasn't faded like the first LED GU10's that came out 5 years ago. They emit 395 Lumens = 50 watt standard GU10. Customers are amazed how bright they are. Using the "Daylight White" in a kitchen transforms the room to a just decorated look.
Besford to GarryRF
8 Apr 16#21
Good info thanks but, as an electrician, you'll know that leaving a bulb on is a poor test. It's the on/off cycling which kills them.
Lozsta to GarryRF
8 Apr 16#22
Leaving a light since 2012... Do you not think that the criminal element have sussed it never goes off? A light being on and off gives the impression of "lived in" not just a light permanently on.
uzyg
8 Apr 161#18
A good deal for branded bulbs. Before I make a trip to the store can anyone who has already purchased these tell me the dimensions of the bulb? Particularly the height. I can't seem to find this info on the website.
I just want to make sure they fit withouth protruding. Many thanks.
kibz25 to uzyg
8 Apr 16#20
The heigh is 55 mm and and width is 50 mm. Further info can be found here:
I also have Philips gu10. Very nice light off them and not a single failure after 2 years. My dad had bought some Chinese ones and some were dangerous. He has now replaced with Philips also.
great deal.
feival
7 Apr 161#12
I have 40 Philps LED bulbs I got cheap on Amazon two years ago. Not one has blown. However, the cheaper bulbs I got from Amazon have at least a 33% failure rate in the same time period but probably higher. However, Amazon did replace all the bulbs since they had a 3 year warranty.
foes4you
7 Apr 16#11
350 lumen - does that mean they glow in the dark ?
ckeekychimp
7 Apr 161#6
That's rubbish cold. pound land and guess what only £1
dheydl to ckeekychimp
7 Apr 16#10
The ones I saw in Poundland were very low lumens.
charliewashington
7 Apr 16#8
Cold you get 6 for 3.99 in homebase
LesD to charliewashington
7 Apr 162#9
Oh no.....here we go again!!!
Do you wanna check that and give us proof!
Cotterpin
7 Apr 161#1
Cold - £1.99 each for 5W GU10s in Home Bargains
kibz25 to Cotterpin
7 Apr 161#4
These are Philips branded bulbs which is why they are a little more expensive.
GoNz017 to Cotterpin
7 Apr 163#5
Good luck on these lasting long, flickering, poor quality etc.
DevilzGtr
7 Apr 16#3
oops, i thought my link was for philips branded bulbs.... my mistake!
Have deleted that message how to avoid confusion
kibz25
7 Apr 162#2
As mentioned, these are Philips branded bulbs which are generally good bulbs from what I've read and come with 2 year warranty. Cheaper bulbs are by all means available.
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These are warm white, 2700K, 350 lumens rather than 345 (confirmed when I received mine), non-dimmable, 5w (equivalent to 50w halogen bulb), with 36 degree beam angle, and a CRI (colour rendering index) of >80. They also come with 2 year guarantee from Philips.
The heigh is 55 mm and and width is 50 mm.
Top comments
Depends how much the aggravation of changing failed bulbs winds you up, presumably.
Latest comments (53)
Been using tesco/sainsburys own and had the same bulbs for nearly 3 years!
Any Decent equivalent LED, SMD or COB light has to give out 500Lm or ideally 80-100 Lms per watt.
A lot of these companies mislead the buyer with 5w equivalent to 50w as they use really low grade 50w bulbs that only produce 320-350 Lms.
The old lights, (ie) 100w bulb used to give out about 890-950 lumens.
Alternatively use the Frequency of the light use 6000k or 6400k as it gives the illusion the light is brighter, the eyes pupil constricts as it cant take in the light frequency hence you get a nice blue or white light around rather than the softer yellow. May give you a headache :-(
What annoys me is that all LEDs are sold as lasting thousands of hours. This just simply isn't true for the unbranded types that I have tried (£5 -£6 per bulb ish). I have had several replaced by the seller on Amazon.
These are the type that I have previously bought.
Long Life Lamp Company GU10 5 Watt Super Bright LED with New Chip Technology, Warm White 50w replacements https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B006UR5IUY/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awd_8u8bxbM6209BS
these ones
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Lighting/d220/LED+GU10+Lamps/sd2681/LED+3.5W+COB+Lamp+GU10/p65352
the give a nice warm light not to yellow, use only 3.5w and have antiglare lens
failure rate appears to be about 3%-4% but i can just take them back
Not all LED lamps are made equal. The key thing that really sets apart from LED lamp from another is the quality of the driver. Stick a few LED bulbs in a plastic housing does not make a quality LED bulb. Heat dissipation is everything. Some of the best LED lamps I have seed around ditch the plastic housing and go with full ceramic. The idiots on here that are quoting home bargains deals are not for a minute comparing like for like products. Do some research into this product sector before voting cold. This is a good deal have some heat.
If you think the brand name is worth the extra, then that's your choice.
"Create the impression that someone is at home by leaving a light on inside your home."
Most offenders are opportunist young men who look for a home in total darkness. Lets hope your timer is ON when they pass by.
Is a £3 Philips 3 times better than a £1 Poundland?
Depends how much the aggravation of changing failed bulbs winds you up, presumably.
http://www.ebay.com/gds/GU10-cheap-LED-Bulb-comparison-/10000000119377785/g.html
More than 50% failed in the first year, and 75% within 2 years. I have completely given up on non branded bulbs. They can even be a safety risk. Even getting them at £1 each, it would be cheaper in the long run to buy these Philips ones. They will also likely be brighter for the same output rating. The cheap bulbs often exaggerate the lumen output.
I will be curious to see how filament LEDs do for longevity. I've been really impressed with the ones I have so far (I know this post isn't for filament LEDs but they are worth checking out).
Branded ones pack of 10 not one failure within 2 years, take your choice.
the 'quality' of light emitted of branded bulbs is generally better - no flickering, good tone, beam angle, long life etc.
if you want a cheap led bulb and not really bothered by any of the above then go to Home Bargains, Poundland etc
I can vouch for Philips led bulbs
good deal
I just want to make sure they fit withouth protruding. Many thanks.
http://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/8718696483787/led-spot/specifications
great deal.
Do you wanna check that and give us proof!
Have deleted that message how to avoid confusion