Nest is loosing money hand over fist so may not be long before Alphabet shut them down like the do to lots of their products (reader /wave). Nest themselves just shutdown their Revolv product bricking all their customers units despite a "lifetime" warranty.
Do your research before buying and if you can live with a £100 paperweight ignore the warning signs.

No they haven't.

The Nest team shut down Revolv. Which was a separate home automation product they bought themselves. (Although they were owned by google at the time.)

No versions of Nest have been shut down.


Remote access. Far more flexible programming. Geo-fencing options (in some cases). But the main gain over a standard dumb thermostat is the learning capability. A dumb thermostat will come on at a preset time and blast your heating until it gets to a certain temperature. Regardless of the conditions in (and outside) your house. Smart ones learn the heating characteristics of your house over the first few weeks or months of running and make use of them to run your heating. They'll also factor in external weather if they're a good one (no idea if Nest does .... my Netatmo does). Mine used to use forecast data off the internet. But added the weather station to mine so it knows the exact conditions in my back garden and heats the house using this information.

They are fantastic systems when done right. My heating is much more consistent and efficient since I put mine in. All houses should be fitting them.

Google have already started disabling older versions of Nest. [url=uk.businessinsider.com/googles-nest-closing-smart-home-company-revolv-bricking-devices-2016-4]Source[/url]

I wouldn't touch Nest with a barge pole. Google will shut it down with a year or two.

What a pointless stupid comment.

can you control the hot water tank with this like the brittish gas one?

If did in fact go cheaper for a day or two back in January. I paid £117.29 for mine (also got £10 off in Amazon's thank you offer thing)

dr76- 3rd gen needed for got water control. NPower still doing them for £129 for customers (device only). Very pleased with mine, but this is a great price for the 2nd generation.

Thank you OP - ordered (there's only 1 left in stock now guys)

Ordered one too, thanks OP!

Excellent price

takes a little bit of practice but a good bit of kit imo

get the 3rd gen one tho if you can.

Stuff.

Nest is loosing money hand over fist so may not be long before Alphabet shut them down like the do to lots of their products (reader /wave). Nest themselves just shutdown their Revolv product bricking all their customers units despite a "lifetime" warranty.
Do your research before buying and if you can live with a £100 paperweight ignore the warning signs.

i think they are the same price in screwfix if it is easier foe anyone. also buy this over the 3rd gen if you have a combi boiler.

Don't buy this. Google cannot be trusted, they often remove services completely and with very little warning.

John Lewis will also price match screwfix on this if you'd rather get it there. Which I did.

Google have already started disabling older versions of Nest. [url=uk.businessinsider.com/googles-nest-closing-smart-home-company-revolv-bricking-devices-2016-4]Source[/url]

I wouldn't touch Nest with a barge pole. Google will shut it down with a year or two.

I still can't get my head around what's so good about these? My cheapo wireless stat I've programmed to the days/hours were in the house and if I go out I just turn it off. It's perfect, what am I missing?

No they haven't.

The Nest team shut down Revolv. Which was a separate home automation product they bought themselves. (Although they were owned by google at the time.)

No versions of Nest have been shut down.


Remote access. Far more flexible programming. Geo-fencing options (in some cases). But the main gain over a standard dumb thermostat is the learning capability. A dumb thermostat will come on at a preset time and blast your heating until it gets to a certain temperature. Regardless of the conditions in (and outside) your house. Smart ones learn the heating characteristics of your house over the first few weeks or months of running and make use of them to run your heating. They'll also factor in external weather if they're a good one (no idea if Nest does .... my Netatmo does). Mine used to use forecast data off the internet. But added the weather station to mine so it knows the exact conditions in my back garden and heats the house using this information.

They are fantastic systems when done right. My heating is much more consistent and efficient since I put mine in. All houses should be fitting them.

That's a completely seperate product, not an "older version of nest"

I picked one of these up about two years ago for under £100 new through an eBay seller and have to say I've found it OK, but not the massive leap forward I was hoping for. The remote control bit is great, but as for learning, the jury is still out. It seems to struggle to comprehend things like turning the heating down on an unseasonably warm day and insists on turning it back up about 10 mins later. I've also found the auto away function kicks in too often, for example I might be away on a Friday night so it turns it on itself. Knowing that I'll be back home by Saturday lunchtime, I remotely turn the heating back on mid morning Saturday, only to get home and find it's switched back to auto away and turned it off again.

I think it's very unlikely they will ditch Nest. From what I've read, despite the "Moonshot" division of Google / Alphabet losing money, Nest is one of the few bits actually making money, somewhere between $300 and $700 million depending on who you believe.

They've lost some staff (not unusual in that arena where there are new start ups every week) and they may need to focus their budgets better due to the other companies in the division failing to perform. They may well look at restructuring, and the shutting down of Revolv is more than likely part of that, given that it's duplicating the effort they are putting in to making Nest work with stuff like Hue etc.

Good price so heat added. However, if you are really serious about taking control of your heating costs, zoning is the only real way. We have Evohome and wouldn't go back to 'all on or all off' heating now. And this, clever as it seems, basically only replicates the disadvantages of your original heating control set up -the whole house heating is either all on or all off. Yes, Evohome is more expensive but there's a reason for that - it gives you way more control.

http://www.honeywelluk.com/products/Underfloor-Heating/evohome-Main/

Have both hive (at home) and nest (in the office). I had useless thermostats before and so this was a massive upgrade for me. Prefer Hive overall, more straightforward and better display, no need to click through for schedule.

I've thought about getting one and installing it myself but I've heard there's two parts to install: ones the round thermostat which I've read is fairly straightforward and then there's something else on the boiler itself which I have less confidence with.

Real easy. It replaces thermostat, just a switch really. When the actual thermostat calls for heat it tells the small box connected to boiler to make an electrical contact allowing the boiler to power up

I've had one of these for a couple of years now (£99 NPower offer, though annoyingly they started giving them away for free a few months later) and love it.

I don't use the learning features or anything as it's set to be always off, and I use the app or website to switch it on as and when needed. Absolutely brilliant if I'm out and about to head home as I can switch it on from my mobile so that the flat is warm when I get in.

It does encourage laziness though, as often rather than get up and switch it off I'll stay on the sofa and use the app to switch it off ;-)

There's a small white box that you connect directly to the boiler. It's 4 or 5 wires, depending on your boiler, probably just replacing your existing wired thermostat or timer you already have. Two wires power the actual box and two (sometimes 3) switch the boiler on and off. The Nest thermostat connects wirelessly to the white box.

The instructions are very easy to follow, I had it done and working in less than an hour.

Is this price crash anything to do with the talk about Nest dropping support for this?

Noticed it was updated to provide better away detection associated to your mobile. Not sure I have seen any change but I use Skylark app which works very well and saves me even opening the app to change.

Allot of people have mentioned it already, but do your research before buying. Some bad stories recently (BBC News, New York times) RE Nest's performance and future financial backing from Google.

Could be nothing, but worth a read before buying.

It also only had 1,200 people using it (hence why it was **** down probably).

hot hot hot! had my 2nd gen nest installed few months ago as i have a combi, fantastic bit of kit! £70 to fit by the plumber who took 20 mins :confused:

I have had Tado for over a year now and it has been excellent. Would choose it again over both Hive and Nest.

thanks been looking for one of these for a while

Same price at Screwfix btw - I think Amazon price matching Screwfix.

I've talked to an engineer that works for nest... Suffice to say I REALLY wouldn't pick anything up from nest right now, especially as it all hinges on nest's internal servers. You could have a useless unit after a few months.

Not entirely true. There were suggestion the majority of the revenue was coming from the dropcam products (that nest just rebranded after purchasing). If true that would suggest the thermostats / smoke alarms are under performing and therefore could go the way of revolv.

I'm not saying it will, just suggesting people read about it before dropping £100+

Lots of scaremongering in here. Has anyone got any examples of Google purposely bricking devices that are used by hundreds of thousands (millions?) of users? Nope? Good. Be quiet then. Even then, the cost involved to keep the existing technology running is minimal and it makes no sense. It's not going to happen.

Nest thermostats are a completely different ball game to revolv, which was used by ~1,000 people worldwide.

Hive all the way as the thermostat doesn't need to be hard wired

£129 3rd Gen...£10 more for the paperweight etc...

http://www.npower.com/home/home-and-heating/accessories/nest-learning-thermostat/index.htm?

Love mine xx

It may seem like an odd question but do the best units make any noise? My current thermostat unit clicks loudly when beat goes on/off and as it's in my bedroom I'd like to replace it with some thing like this.

With flubit £113

Glad I sold mine for £160 just after the v3 came out.

Wouldn't be without mine now

havent read the comments so apologies if this has already been mentioned but the nest is also thexsame price at screwfix all this month

What a pointless stupid comment.

It is true, though. It's not something any of us NEED, just want. I've got a Hive but can and have lived easily without it.

Havent seen any long term users mention this , but has anyone actually managed to reduce their gas bill by using nest??

You could say that about anything, mobile phones, computers, consoles etc, nobody needs them, not really an argument for not getting it..

You could say that for 99.99% of the items listed on this site....

I know, but at least you tried

got a gen 3 from Npower .... very neat device .....

I think if google get fed up with nest they will sell the product rather than shut it down.... too many users to shut it. They did this with google sketchup remember ... so all good IMO.

The argument for not getting it is ; It can only save you money if you were reckless with your heating system and kept leaving it on unnecessarily. If you need to switch your heating on or off when not anywhere near home that's not efficient. I fully understand that some people have gone on about learning your system and geofencing, but that's sales bullarky. Real savings can be had by being hands on, end of.

After much reading of reviews I went for OWL Intuition-CW TSE220-111 Wireless Combi Boiler Control, which is fantastic, I travel a lot, so when going away, just hit the away button this keeps it in frost mode (all modes are really easily programmed, through a neat app on the phone or with your browser) then before I get home, turn it on.. Simples.
I have nothing to do with this company, it is a great solution for me.
You can see the temperature profiles for the last 5 days or 24 hours, it knows the outside temperature, great bit of kit, I got it from Ebay (isitservices @ £107) fitted it myself, cant fault the kit, instructions or how it works.

They are good devices for setting timers and having the ability to turn off from an app if you've left it on. The outsid temperature is cool if you have a cold night. But as for the learning I'm not too sure of, without feedback from the heat in different areas of the house it'll just learn one room. Still better than on off control but I think we are a few years away from a proper system to do this.

Went with the Hive before Nest had their 3rd gen that supported hot water and happy with it (sadly i bought before their newer prettier version). Still I think between these two products they are good buys!

I have a nest and think it's great. Previously I could never get a decent temperature in the house, either too hot or too cold. I am sure though any newer stat would have fixed this.
That said the nice thing is just controlling the device remotely or letting it set itself to away. I set my house to 20 celsius between 7 and 21:00. If I go to work it sets itself to away so doesn't waste gas. The main thing is my wife is at home most the time but goes out randomly so the Nest will turn off the heating when she's out.

As others say this is just a convenience thing. If your current setup works then don't bother.

Presumably this tells Google an astonishing amount of data about your energy usage. In which case, I'm ooot.

For most efficient central heating control of your boiler, an external thermostat / Weather Compensator. is required. Based on the outside temperature, the Central Heating Water temperature is adjusted.
The Nest doesn't have this feature. Without that, whatever it does is just a "glorified" room stat / timer with internet access to switch on/off also.
Just my 2p - but hey, if you don't want/need that, this is shiny.

hmmm. I have thermostats in each room of my house to control the underfloor heating. I presume I would need one of these in each room then?

I have one of these hard wired in my Audi to my ignition, early mornings I get my car warmed up using my phone..

Really excellent made up with our 3rd gen
Home automation is an emerging market which is the future google will not close Nest down and their US$3.2 billion investment.

When my central heating is on, how long the boiler runs for, at what point I switch on hot water during the day, when I have my timers set for, peak daytime usage, average night usage, which days I use most power, longest time my central heating remains off for, what temperature I prefer to heat my house to, how hot I heat my water... I could go on.

Ultimately Google is a harvester of data and I tend to take quite a few steps to limit the amount of information that I give them voluntarily.

Also, let's suppose that Google know that I've just switched my hot water off and set it not to come on again until next Sunday. Anyone who has access to that information can be pretty sure that my house won't be occupied for a few days.

Paranoid? Maybe, but like so many things which seem a good idea (and I'm thinking self-driving cars for one), we should always ask ourselves who is benefitting from the adoption of such technology and why they want it implemented.

Do these come pre-bricked?

​How can you tell when someone owns an iPhone? :wink:

If you want one that works buy Netatmo, yes i know its french but it works, even German Tado has problems with communication, I know i sell them coupled with a ASHP boiler. Nest 1 and 2 have major problems with the third being the best and most bugs sorted, I was told this by a BG engineer who had a Netatmo fitted. :-)

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Not quite what plokij is on about. A thermostat simply calls for hot water, the temperature of that water is set on your boiler. So if you set the boiler water to 20 degrees, and asked for it to be at 21 degrees, the boiler would never turn off (technically, if you ignore all other factors)

What plokij is talking about is where the actual water temperature on the boiler is adjusted to make best use of energy to heat your house up to your desired temperature. This might mean having the heating on for longer, but at a lower temperature, using less energy (Think MPG in your car, more efficient to drive 200 miles in one go, than it is to stop and start in 10 mile chunks)

The 3rd Gen Nest does do this, but it requires an OpenTherm compatible boiler: https://nest.com/uk/support/article/What-is-OpenTherm-and-what-can-the-3rd-generation-Nest-Learning-Thermostat-do-with-it

Correct - talking about the water temperature going around the radiators which is adjusted based on outside temp.
I think "OpenTherm" is relatively new, and most people will not have boilers which offer this feature. Even new Vaillant / Worcester / Potterton boilers being most commonly fitted in the UK today do not have this feature..

So because you can't see a benefit of it in your presumably predictable routine, means it can't be beneficial for others or that they are all just "reckless"?

My job means that I am at home sporadically, sometimes staying away when it wasn't expected. I am not going to start mucking about with a timer/manual thermostat every time my schedule may, or may not change.

I can remotely keep the heating on low rather than it unnecessarily heating the house for me in an evening if I am now not going to be there. Money saved.

As for learning the heating properties of a house vs what the temperature is outside (as my Netatmo does) so it only turns the heating on at just the right time to have it reach the desired temperature - your not understanding it doesn't make it "bullarky".

If you want "Real savings", turn it all off and putting on another jumper. And hope that pipes don't burst in winter.

Weird, the quote in my post has been removed by someone. It's all out of context now - just so you know, I wasn't aiming that at you.