Forget the high prices charged by the big supermarkets for filtered milk.
Aldi and Lidl both now sell pasteurised, homogenised, fresh filtered milk (produced by Arla Foods, makers of Cravendale) now down to 99p for 2 litres.
2 litres of Cravendale at Tesco - £1.90 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at ASDA - £1.80 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at Morrisons - £1.90 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at Ocado - £1.90 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at Waitrose - £1.90 (2 for £2.50)
2 litres of Cravendale at Iceland - £1.50
2 litres of Cravendale at Sainsbury's - £1.75
2 litres of Aldi Fresh Filtered Milk - now 99p
Same price at Lidl too
Exactly the same as Cravendale - a very long use-by date, and keeps for 7 days after opening.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/6-liltres-british-milk-2-18-9p-a-pint-farmfoods-3x-2litre-4-2-2413803
75p at farm foods.British milk
- cheesybeanzz74
Top comments
kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 1663#12
Whilst we all want to save money, which is why we look at this site, every time I see things like milk reduced to a really low price, I wonder a) how much money the farmer gets (without government subsidies) b) if costs were cut regarding the welfare of the animals in order to get prices lower.
You cannot keep squeezing prices lower and lower then expect all the costs like wages, animal feed, veterinary bills etc to also get lower - vets won't take a pay cut, so the savings are probably being made with farmworker's salaries/living conditions, and also the animal's welfare.
I don't go along with the tree-hugging veggie stuff, but now and then we ought to think about more than just saving a few pence.
Newbold to northwales
9 Apr 1638#2
Milk normally is. Best, really.
backinstock
9 Apr 1623#5
Asda and Tesco 'own brand' filtered milk is £1.25 per 2 litre bottle.
Obviously Aldi and Lidl's is cheaper, but maybe a better price comparison?
As much as I admire what Aldi and Lidl have done for 'forcing' down prices, I hate to see Aldi's price saving promotions based on their own brand against top branded items.
Much more honest to compare own brand against own brand (not necessarily budget end).
Rant over. lol
Voted hot and watching to see how the major supermarkets act.
PhilK to haybr
9 Apr 1615#14
Yes, patching the tyres of their BMW's and Range Rovers
Latest comments (141)
sotomonkey
11 Apr 16#141
It's very simple I think. Cows have a crap quite randomly and it sprays everywhere, hitting their udders. The bacteria in their faeces gets into the milk, it's inevitable although can be controlled somewhat. That bacteria will make you ill so it's best to pasturise the milk just to be sure. I have drunk both kinds of milk by the way as I used to live next to a farm and have seen the process.
As for cheese, cheese can be very dangerous to pregnant mothers for example if they get unlucky as it can harbour listeria.
dreamager
11 Apr 16#140
If my mum lived naked in a field, in the rain, getting mud all over her breasts, and not washing, then someone milked her swollen chest, ran it through a big processing machine exposed to the air in various parts of the process, mixed with lots of other women's breast milk in similar situations, and then transported across the country and bottled, you would have a comparison, and I sure as hell would want that milk pasteurised. Luckily however, my mum wore clothes, and occasionally washed, and put her clean breast directly into my mouth, and when drinking from a bottle they would have used Milton or similar to sterilise the bottles. I'm also pretty sure my mum wasn't prone to parasites.
Not to go into the specifics of different bacteria that would be living in animals harmlessly but would not be harmless to humans etc etc
And if you followed my link you'd see that it doesn't lose health proprieties. The 'wulzen factor' and taste would be the only changes, and the risks far outweigh that slight change that can be compensated elsewhere
Powlie
10 Apr 16#139
Made by the same people as cravendale? I prefers cows milk....cold
nickhale756
10 Apr 16#138
Or even just take a look around any graveyard-child deaths or the biblical three score years and ten!
yrreb88
10 Apr 16#137
You say the CDC is corrupt but trust the WAPF and Mercola?! Please don't tell me your against vaccines or believe they're very dangerous too. Please don't believe everything you read on the Internet that conforms to your naturalistic preferences and is anti-Big Everything.
yrreb88
10 Apr 16#136
It's not far more superior, it's possibly slightly superior but nowhere near significant enough to make much difference as there are far superior amounts in green leafy veg for example. It's like people who have pink salt for the minerals even though they need a huge amount to get the same benefit as if they just had a portion of fruit or veg.
You're talking about raw milk there which is another story and not guaranteed safe regardless of the protocols and precautions hence the legal requirement to warn consumers.
sotomonkey
10 Apr 16#135
What period are you talking about. There were plenty of people living beyond 65 in the 19th century for example, you only have to do a bit of family history to realise that but here's some interesting reading for you.
I could say the same thing about yourself, to learn the facts. So when you were breast fed as a child, was the milk pasterusied? If your counter argument is going to be because thats an animal, well if there kept healthy and clean then the milk is of good quality.
When pasteurised, milk loses all the beneficial enzymes and also the wulzen factor. I myself don't drink much milk, but I am getting into the consuming raw grass fed butter and unpasteurised cheese (you can buy from lidl, waitrose etc). I have had unpasterusied raw milk and it tastes much better.
Using the CDC as a source is misleading, as the CDC is corrupted due to rich men having a hand in things, like pharma companies and monsanto etc. If you look into lobbyists in america you will know what i mean. Check these links:
No I read the rest, and that gave an extreme example to show the statistical difficulties, it didn't say "this is how it actually is". The life expectancy at 65 that you talk about is only applicable now that we have such long life expectancies, not for our ancestors when very few could ever hope to reach that age, especially in poorer communities
So not 'guesstimates' but well established and useful metrics.
googley2
10 Apr 16#130
I can only have lactose free milk - £1.39 a litre, take it or leave it. Be glad if you have cheaper as not long since the price went up from £1.20 a litre.
dreamager
10 Apr 16#129
to quote your bolded area "For example, a society with a LEB of 40 may have few people dying at age 40: most will die before 30 years of age or very few after 55." which proves that your "lets take only over 65 or 55" guesstimates as useless as I said
sotomonkey
10 Apr 16#128
Life expectancy is a statistical measure of the average time an organism is expected to live, based on the year of their birth, their current age and other demographic factors including sex. The most commonly used measure of life expectancy is at birth (LEB), which can be defined in two ways: while cohort LEB is the mean length of life of an actual birth cohort (all individuals born a given year) and can be computed only for cohorts that were born many decades ago, so that all their members died, period LEB is the mean length of life of a hypothetical cohort assumed to be exposed since birth until death of all their members to the mortality rates observed at a given year.[1]
National LEB figures reported by statistical national agencies and international organizations are indeed estimates of period LEB. In the Bronze and Iron Age LEB was 26 years; the 2010 world LEB was 67.2. For recent years in Swaziland LEB is about 49 years while in Japan is about 83 years. The combination of high infant mortality and deaths in young adulthood from accidents, epidemics, plagues, wars, and childbirth, particularly before modern medicine was widely available, significantly lowers LEB. But for those who survive early hazards, a life expectancy of sixty or seventy would not be uncommon. For example, a society with a LEB of 40 may have few people dying at age 40: most will die before 30 years of age or very few after 55. In populations with high infant mortality rates, LEB is highly sensitive to the rate of death in the first few years of life. Because of this sensitivity to infant mortality, LEB can be subjected to gross misinterpretation, leading one to believe that a population with a low LEB will necessarily have a small proportion of older people.[2] For example, in a hypothetical stationary population in which half the population dies before the age of five, but everybody else dies at exactly 70 years old, LEB will be about 36 years, while about 25% of the population will be between the ages of 50 and 70. Another measure, such as life expectancy at age 5 (e5), can be used to exclude the effect of infant mortality to provide a simple measure of overall mortality rates other than in early childhood—in the hypothetical population above, life expectancy at age 5 would be another 65 years. Aggregate population measures, such as the proportion of the population in various age groups, should also be used alongside individual-based measures like formal life expectancy when analyzing population structure and dynamics.
dreamager
10 Apr 16#127
Given that the general population excluding the extremely small percentage of the wealthy didn't used to live too long beyond 40, I think you are making this up as you go along to try and support a point you know nothing about.
sotomonkey
10 Apr 16#126
Well put it at 55 then, if you include infant mortality you are massively skewing the results by virtue of the fact that a of of kids died before they even reached 1 year old.
dreamager
10 Apr 16#125
Well no, that discounts the vast majority of the population who died early due to poor life expectancy and only counts the ones with good life expectancy. If you're excluding infants you have to look at everybody else, not just the ones with good life expectancy, as most won't have reached 65 to be counted. Talk about skewing the results. Also, some of that infant mortality would have been reduced with pasteurised milk as the children wouldn't be getting infections people didn't yet have treatments for
johnsmith1997
10 Apr 161#124
You are correct but then we have Israel in the Eurovison song contest.:neutral_face:
Harric
10 Apr 16#123
Iceland are selling 4 pints of milk for 89p
sotomonkey
10 Apr 16#122
Well I'm sure if the milk had been pasteurised they would have lived longer but milk was a very important part of their diet. You may be quite surprised too but life expectancy is a bit more complicated than that. The reason life expectancy has increased so much is because infant mortality has been massively reduced. Think about it. You save one child, that child then instead of dying three months old lives to 70. It distorts the picture. Life expectancy hasn't actually increased that much when you take reductions in child mortality into account.
The measure to look at is life expectancy for the over 65s. If you're poor then you have a poor life expectancy if you reach 65 especially if you live in certain parts of the country like Glasgow for example. Live in leafy Dorset however, and you should expect to live into your 80s.
dheydl
10 Apr 162#121
Our ancestors had a shorter life expectancy, too.
LiverpoolLad123
10 Apr 162#120
Can't believe people are saying never seen a poor farmer or they will just have to patch up their tyres now on their BMWs and Range Rovers. Most farmers are in a make or break situation. One failed crop or crop destroyed by flooding can almost wipe them out for good or even just a year. Huge numbers of farmers don't even own their farms and land too. There really are some idiotic socialists in this country who put fear into those most vulnerable people in our society those who are poor sick and disabled. Maybe you should get a cow and produce your own milk and produce your own meat and veg and see how you cope with that and if you can spare any maybe you could sell it to us cheaper than these farmers seeing as you won't want to make a living out of it. Socialist morons
dreamager
10 Apr 161#119
Claiming that unpasteurised milk is healthier is a dangerous lie. The CDC in America has a whole site dedicated to its dangers. There is also no less 'healthiness' from it being pasteurised, only a taste difference. learn the facts about it before spreading dangerous incorrect opinions
jade6n
10 Apr 16#118
Arla milk is definitely worth the money. they also provide the milk for lurpak!
Dairy farmers are currently being paid 16p per litre at the moment.
taffy2
10 Apr 16#117
Aldis have stocked this for quite some months, I know as I have been buying it. Cheaper than Tesco at £1.50
ryouga
10 Apr 16#116
I have been shopping at Aldi/Lidl for 17 years and parents for about 19 years and whilst its not as good as it was at most Aldi stuff is no better then Tesco Value and at best its better whilst being pretty much the same price as value.
And certain things vary by region.
nrostaie02
10 Apr 16#115
Milk from grass fed cow is far more superior to grain fed cows. It has a higher omega 3 to 6 ratio and contains more vitamin k2 (which if you don't have enough can cause calcium problems). There is also the fact that unpasteurised milk is healthier than pastuerised, as the heat destroys the beneficial enzymes and probiotics. For it to be unpastuerised, of course you need the animal to be healthy, well and clean.
RM955i
10 Apr 161#114
As said, I can't get remotely excited about this. The relentless driving down of price by the supermarkets is killing the British dairy industry. I'd rather pay a bit more and see us have a dairy industry in the future - we'll all be sorry when it's gone.
Loss leaders are a bit of a fallacy. Having had dealings with supermarkets (or "major multiples" as they are known), the supermarket rarely, if ever, takes the hit. If you want a product listed...you pay: i.e. the supplier actually pays the supermarket to stock the product! cut price deals...the supplier normally pays. Don't for one minute think the supermarkets take the hit.
Newbold
10 Apr 161#113
It's every bit as popular with the indigenous British. Why wouldn't it be? Which imported items did you have in mind that aren't imported by all other supermarkets?
sotomonkey
10 Apr 161#100
Not sure I see the point of filtering milk like this, it's made in a cows stomoch and comes out of their body near their **** so pasteurisation is very important but filtering? Why?
How much energy and fossil fuels does that filtering use? It can't be good for the environment. Just seems a bit pointless, our ancestors didn't filter their milk and neither did your mother I imagine.
nickhale756 to sotomonkey
10 Apr 16#112
I'm inclined to agree with you sotomonkey. It is very much supermarket driven. Early on they realised that if they were to move sales from the doorstep to their shops they needed 8 days shelf life so that customers could buy once a week on their "big shop". They put enormous pressure on dairies to achieve this and now only 3% of milk is sold on the doorstep. Personally I believe there is another hidden agenda and that once the public no longer think of milk as a fresh product the push to long life (UHT) milk will begin allowing the supermarkets to purchase milk internationally with all the consequences. UHT milk may in fact be more environment friendly with no refrigeration-pity it tastes sh**te!
dreamager
10 Apr 16#111
Do I really need to add the term 'mainland' to make my post specific enough? The colloquial use is generally understood, and my point still stands. I mostly see imported brands in Lidl, which is why it is popular with foreigners from Europe
nitro228
10 Apr 161#110
Nonsense, you've said said it yourself. The farmers have two choices, sell it for the price on offer or find another job.
The dairies/supermarkets only have the power to dictate their prices because there is a surplus of milk in Europe. So supply exceeds demand. The fact is, if they can't afford to sell milk at the price being offered then it's probably time to find a new career.
tonesey
10 Apr 16#109
You can get arla b.o.b at Tesco for £1 and that's filtered
nitro228
10 Apr 161#105
I have no sympathy for the 'poor' farmers to be honest. The price they get paid is based on supply and demand. If they are unable to make a profit selling at that price, when other farmers obviously can, it suggests they're not very good at their job. Nothing stopping them selling up and getting a job elsewhere. If I were making a product, and someone else was making the same but charging half what I want to charge I would not blame anyone for going with the cheaper supplier. We live in a global economy and businesses that fail to keep up with change and diversify where necessary often end up failing. Sad for those involved but it happens.
m4rc to nitro228
10 Apr 162#108
It's not supply and demand. Do you think processors /dairies make a loss or a profit? How about the supermarkets? They all profit, they set the price, the farmer has no option other than accept it or walk. They can't start processing and supplying to supermarkets without multi million pound investments, they are being dictated to. We don't need milk to be this price. Pretty much every other product has risen in price over the years, how many times have you bought a bar of chocolate for 70p and remembered when you could buy it for 12p on the way home from school, and then realise just a few years ago it was 50p tops? Milk doesn't go up, it's a quid, whatever happens it's a quid. So the supermarkets tell the processors "hey we need profit do we are paying this price", and the processor tells the farmer "right that stuff you produce, we don't care what it costs, we collect it and this is what we are paying". The farmer can't tell his suppliers of feed that he's paying less from now on, in fact those prices rise too, and are season dependent. He can't tell the vet he won't pay the bill. He can't tell the staff they are getting pay cuts (if there are any staff). So he has to accept it. Often it costs more to get the milk out of the cow than the farmer gets paid. The farmer isn't charging you 99p for your milk, they are not even making a profit. We don't need it to be that price, I wouldn't walk out of a supermarket if milk was more expensive, but they all worry as its an item we all buy if they increase the price we will all go to the next store where it's 99p. What people forget is if all those farmers do say 'no more' and sell up then we will all have only imported milk and they can and will do what they like with the price. I guarantee it wouldn't be 99p or anywhere near.
My friend (I live on his farm) could walk away, but why should he just because people are dictating prices? We can't dictate and we are customers too. When did you last walk in a supermarket and demand to pay a set price for a product and force them to lose money?
The only farmers who can make a profit have had massive investments made in their equipment either because they were rich or they've taken out huge loans or they have a big company behind them, and they they can scale up, but that often doesn't work. I know a guy who did it, he has a huge herd, but it's going a bit wrong, the profit just isn't there as prices paid dropped again and he's struggling to pay for the expansion now. All we need is a 'farming crisis' like foot and mouth and many will be finished.
This isn't about global economy, it's about our fear of paying the proper price for a product - we hate the idea that kill will cost more then a pound.
neosalad
10 Apr 16#107
i dont understand why this is hot, its been at lidl for a few months now, exactly the same price..
bonzobanana
10 Apr 161#106
I honestly don't think that is true at all overall my experience is at best Aldi/Lidl tin products for example are value range quality and in fact can be proven for tins as you can actually see its an identical product. I also think some of their products are easily inferior with some very wierd tasting soups and baked beans. I realise it depends on what you buy though and each customer's experience may be different. Generally though I find most processed food inferior in Lidl, a bit better in Aldi but better quality in Tesco for their value range. I'm saying that though knowing that quality varies by product. Of the big supermarkets for me Asda are worst with their smart price range. Some of that is poor quality probably same supplier's as Aldi/Lidl and that wouldn't be surprising as walmart are very aggressive low price sourcing and probably also use the low end supplier's on the continent, Spain, Italy, Portugal processed food etc.
That's the big issue I have with Lidl/Aldi in that they have a limited range of food options often with only one type of each food and with some food being unacceptable quality for me I cannot buy that food in those stores. However I'm not loyal to any one supermarket so tend to use different supermarkets depending on what is most important to buy and whether there are offers or vouchers available. What I love about Lidl/Aldi is the weekly offers especially diy gear and the fruit and veg while occasionally poor quality is well priced. However I've done shops in Tesco which consist mainly of value range items and the special offers plus used a voucher and also benefit from clubcard points which I won't use until a boost and its soo much cheaper than Lidl and Aldi when you look at the figures. I doubt Tesco actually want me in their stores based on my purchasing habits as I doubt they make any profit from me. Also because of Aldi/Lidl I think Tesco pricing has been far more competitive on some essential items. I like the fact Lidl/Aldi have driven prices down even though I'm not a fan of the quality of their products overall.
ScoobyStoo
10 Apr 161#104
Try removing your head out your backside and then take a look.
darklight
10 Apr 16#103
coolio , thanks
darklight
9 Apr 16#27
Do Aldi Lidl sell goats milk ? anyone know ?
Sundecay to darklight
10 Apr 16#102
Never found it there.
sotomonkey
10 Apr 16#101
Language is so powerful. We are European both geographically and historically speaking, it seems just because we live on an island people tend to ignore this.
preecey
9 Apr 162#50
If you've got the time, try this. I noticed it a while back and it does make me question - is there something dodgy going on in the milk industry?
Due to my busy schedule I often buy milk but don't end up opening it before the use by date. I don't use my fridge that often and eat out quite a lot, so often I do find milk in my fridge which can be a week or more out of date, which obviously I tip down the sink and then recycle the bottle.
I have found something that is very bizarre though.
When I open a week-or-so old bottle of milk and smell it, it smells totally fine. It doesn't even go lumpy, either. It looks and smells as fresh as it would have been when I bought it. I don't risk it though and still discard it.
This is in stark contrast to when I buy organic milk. If I leave that for the same amount of time past its use by date it does go lumpy and smelly.
I've wondered why this is the case for a while now. Are farmers doing something to regular milk to extend its shelf life? Are we secretly being given really old milk that has been doctored to last much longer than it should?
If you have the time to spare, buy a small bottle of standard and organic milk and leave it in the fridge. The organic milk will go off naturally over time but the standard milk will just look the same.
Is the organic milk from Waitrose? Their Duchy milk is unhomogenised unlike pretty much all other processed milk.
nickhale756 to preecey
10 Apr 165#99
OK Preecy-as the retired Head of Quality for a large dairy company I’ll try to explain. Milk leaving the cow’s udder is sterile but picks up bacteria from the outside of the udder, water, air and the milking equipment. Improvements in farm hygiene coupled with refrigerated storage tanks at the farm over the last 20 odd years means that milk now arrives at the dairy with one thousandth of the number of bacteria in it as it used to. Dairies now clarify the milk on receipt at the dairy (a physical centrifugal process which removes any particles and some bacteria) then deep chill it to 1 or 2 degrees centigrade at which temperature bacteria will not multiply. This means milk no longer start to spoil before it can be pasteurised. The pasteurisation heat treatment process in addition to killing all bacteria which are harmful to health also coincidentally kills all the types of bacteria which cause souring of milk i.e. conversion of milk sugar to lactic acid. So pasteurised milk should never smell sour or have acid clots. The milk will however contain low levels of heat resistant bacteria which over a long time and dependant on storage temperature will eventually break down the protein in the milk, causing putrefaction-rotten or fishy smells. The Cravendale type process is an additional stage in which milk is passed through membranes with pores so fine that the last mentioned type of bacteria can’t pass through, resulting in a milk with very long shelf life. So that’s the theory but in practice it all comes to nothing if after processing the milk is re-contaminated with bacteria due to poor hygiene in pipelines, storage tanks, filling equipment or the packaging used. Modern dairies have equipment designed to be easily completely sterilised, surround the filling equipment with sterile filtered air and use blow moulded plastic bottles which are sterile on production. Good chilled distribution completes the story.
So now you know the facts-no secret processes- but I must leave you to draw your own conclusions as to why your organic milk doesn’t keep!
bharats
10 Apr 16#98
aldi and lidl are owned my two brothers
dreamager
10 Apr 16#97
Really? I mostly see european products when I'm in Lidl, which is why lots of Europeans like to shop there
cheesybeanzz74
9 Apr 16#94
Theres no proof its cravendale,infact i will email them now this deal and see what they think.
yrreb88 to cheesybeanzz74
10 Apr 16#96
Afaik, it's probably not technically cravendale as I've only seen Robert wiseman/muller lorries pull into the car park at Lidl. However it's still essentially the same product and a good price.
Not sure who supplies Aldi.
nickhale756
9 Apr 16#95
Yes but it only represents 1% of the milk used by our dairies and we are still the third biggest milk producer in the EU and tenth biggest in the world!
ukfix
9 Apr 16#93
Wow you're comparing normal milk to the filtered milk and expecting the same price!
Unlikely - most of the food comes from exactly the same UK suppliers that supply the other UK supermarket chains. Rather like this milk.
dbloomers
9 Apr 16#90
Lets hope we stay in EU so we continue to benefit from Aldi and Lidl bulk buying across the EU :-)
Besford
9 Apr 16#41
Wholesale prices are simply a result of the supply and demand equation (on a global basis) these days. Too much production = lower prices.
It's also a mistake to assume lower retail prices = lower prices to the farmer. Supermarkets often use staples like milk as 'loss leaders' to bring you into the store.
I also sympathise with struggling, small dairy farmers but the situation is FAR more complex than comments in this thread suggest. A majority of the milk produced isn't sold on as liquid milk in shops anyway.
benlondon to Besford
9 Apr 16#89
wholesale prices are not simply determined by supply and demand at all, this is not true of any industry I am aware of, there are many other factors to be factored in i.e. especially in the milk industry there are agreed prices between the supermarkets and the producers, and agreed prices between the producers and the farmers, these don't always fluctuate with the amount of milk being produced, and also are affected by the buying power of the end customer, buying commitments and many other things also
kunhadi
9 Apr 163#88
Aldi and Lidl will be very very expensive after Brexit due to the import duty :smiley:
Enjoy the privilege while you can.
jools771
9 Apr 161#63
at the end of the day its a growth hormone and we are the only species that drink another animanls milk.... on the planet .........
good price :smiley:
yrreb88 to jools771
9 Apr 161#68
Except there's no growth hormone and so what if people do drink milk?
Tyranicus66 to jools771
9 Apr 161#87
Never heard of a cat?
preecey
9 Apr 16#86
Both the standard and organic milk I've purchased have been from Lidl
johnkers
9 Apr 16#84
I think you'll all agree that we should refer to Alan Partridge for the final say on this debate
northwales
9 Apr 165#1
cold
Newbold to northwales
9 Apr 1638#2
Milk normally is. Best, really.
martyn333 to northwales
9 Apr 162#20
it probably is where you live
Nick2013 to northwales
9 Apr 16#83
B'boom
jhw
9 Apr 16#82
I've had Cravendale Extra Filtered milk that's been kept refrigerated until few days before its use-by-date --- then found to be off on opening. You can't really prove the milk has been extra filtered as they claim - same way they mislabel eggs as 'free range' when they're nothing of the sort.
ryouga
9 Apr 16#81
Like everything it varies, I had a lot of "farmers" in my family that never got on with my father(as they were on his side) all very snooty so I assume to be more the landowner types.
When my gran died she left my father her house and 30 grand in savings and left each of her brothers and sisters(quite a few as this is bearing in mind my father is almost 70 so back in days of large families) £1000 each which each one turned their nose up and said they wanted more and how dare she give her savings and house to her own son and not her brothers and sisters! And my dad gave me stories of how they made him work unpaid much of the year when not at school and not give a penny.
backinstock
9 Apr 1623#5
Asda and Tesco 'own brand' filtered milk is £1.25 per 2 litre bottle.
Obviously Aldi and Lidl's is cheaper, but maybe a better price comparison?
As much as I admire what Aldi and Lidl have done for 'forcing' down prices, I hate to see Aldi's price saving promotions based on their own brand against top branded items.
Much more honest to compare own brand against own brand (not necessarily budget end).
Rant over. lol
Voted hot and watching to see how the major supermarkets act.
markosborne13 to backinstock
9 Apr 162#28
i agree about Aldi, always saying look how much you could save if you bought our brands whilst comparing them against Nescafe, Kellogs etc. ridiculous
bonzobanana to backinstock
9 Apr 16#43
I find a lot of it is budget end. Tins of new potatoes, processed peas, tomatoes and quite a few other products are the exact same product as basic/smart price/value etc in mainstream supermarkets often at higher prices. Some of the Lidl/Aldi tin products are actually lower quality than Tesco value etc even though they feature colour labels and better presentation so they more resemble branded goods. It seems a bit of con but then if it works you can't blame them for doing it.
I'm not bothered about filtered milk and extending shelf life by removing additional bacteria I always worry about how sterile we are making food nowadays. I mean the human body is made up of 2-6lbs of bacteria and with mcdonalds burgers so sterile that they can last 20 years without decomposing its getting a bit ridiculous now. I wish Lidl and Aldi would do cheap lactofree milk. Normal pricing is about £1-1.38 so anything below £1 a litre would be good. We could certainly do with a price war on lactofree which is more healthy.
ryouga to backinstock
9 Apr 16#80
Thats no different than the big name supermarkets comparing their value products to Aldi/Lidl better quality ones and claiming they are no cheaper not taking into account Aldi/Lidl general range are more like bigger supermarket mid range in terms of quality.
SirSpanky
9 Apr 16#79
As hot as this deal is, it really annoys me how they sell this in litres to make it seem like a better offer than it actually is. I don't care whether milk is sold in pints or litres but at least make it consistent...
kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 1663#12
Whilst we all want to save money, which is why we look at this site, every time I see things like milk reduced to a really low price, I wonder a) how much money the farmer gets (without government subsidies) b) if costs were cut regarding the welfare of the animals in order to get prices lower.
You cannot keep squeezing prices lower and lower then expect all the costs like wages, animal feed, veterinary bills etc to also get lower - vets won't take a pay cut, so the savings are probably being made with farmworker's salaries/living conditions, and also the animal's welfare.
I don't go along with the tree-hugging veggie stuff, but now and then we ought to think about more than just saving a few pence.
DoHS to kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 166#15
yet to see a poor farmer
Jules67 to kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 161#19
You beat me to it lol. I agree totally
CardboardCutout to kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 16#25
I'm with you, Arla was recently in the news for having the worst relationship with its farmers
vclaw to kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 161#38
If you care about animal welfare, then don't buy any dairy products.
acm20001 to kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 162#40
aldis price for this makes no difference to what the farmers get paid, thats Arlas fault who actually produce the milk
DavidL to kamenitzabrit
9 Apr 16#78
Fair point, but I think that Aldi and Lidl have figured out that it costs hardly any extra to filter the milk and are passing the savings on!
kyl
9 Apr 16#77
Is this pasteurised like Cravendale?
wildecat
9 Apr 16#76
Is this definitely from Arla as Muller Wiseman make filtered milk for Sainsbury's / Tesco etc
Kulaak
9 Apr 16#75
Could be a milkman :smirk:
jaydeeuk1
9 Apr 16#74
Good price, aldi coming to Belper which will probably finish morrisons off now they've stopped the brand match and no longer stock 3v pre paid / pay.com cards for completely free petrol.
Coop is 2 for £3, with NUS its 2 for £2.70 making it next best price.
Feel sorry for farmers who only own a couple of million pounds worth of land and free EU subsidies. Sooner we get out of EU, supply price will increase and farmers can stop moaning.
johnsmith1997
9 Apr 161#73
Glad someone knows their apostrophes from their accents.:smile:
(Note I use the correct their instead of there).:smiley:
cookietom
9 Apr 166#61
Quite frankly, and I know many will disagree with this. Cows milk is made for its calf, like human milk is made for their baby. So all everyone is doing is taking a calfs milk away, and generally putting the cows through awful amounts of pain as their body is not made to produce as much as they do.
I know for most it's an essential, but I honestly believe we should drink things like almond, coconut & hazelnut milk. They are all natural sources but an animal doesn't have to go through severe pain to produce it.
I don't see many of you thinking it would be great having your wives/girlfriends/friends breast milk as appetising, so why is a calfs milk any different?
elbs to cookietom
9 Apr 16#62
.....ok.
yrreb88 to cookietom
9 Apr 16#66
You have to realise we hardly do anything naturally anymore. We inject weakened bacteria and use synthetic chemicals to cure and prevent disease. Originally we used milk as a significant source of income and nutrition, a lot of people still do particularly in poorer countries.
trollipops to cookietom
9 Apr 162#72
I wish I could like this a billion times <3
m4rc
9 Apr 16#71
No, you know about your father in law, not the average farmer. Your father in law isn't average, though to be fair upgrading a discovery every few years could be done on lease without being wealthy. A farmers priority is his tractor, not a flash car. You can't pull too many ploughs in a discovery.
ukwendy
9 Apr 16#70
Buy organic milk please to support the welfare for cows farming and farmers. We can all afford to spend a bit more in milk... Don't like Lidl tries to compare its own brands against well established brands!
m4rc
9 Apr 162#69
I live on a farm which supplies milk to Aria. I'm not the farmer, he's a great friend of mine, and he's poor. Land rich certainly, if he sold everything he wouldn't have a worry, but it's been in his family for generations and his son is a budding farm. They have very little money, their milking parlour is in desperate need of repair and upgrade, and there isn't a Land Rover in sight let alone a Range Rover or merc or whatever.
They are due subsidies - single farm payments they are called - and their payment is fast approaching a year late. Their car broke down - 15 year old Nissan - and his father in law let him the money to buy a 10 year old Toyota.
I would never dream of working the hours he works, 5am until late evening 7 days a week, he can't afford staff other than 2 guys part time. He can't scale out of it, he could sell up but it's in his blood, why should he give up everything just because people compare their entire shopping basket on the price of bread and milk?
Land owners are often rich, they rent their land out to farmers and tenants, and some farmers of course have scaled up to factory producing levels so turnover millions.
The vast majority of farmers struggle, I know a lot, none are remotely wealthy, I have more surplus income than them all I'd guess and I'm not rich.
Your view is made up of seeing a few stereotypical images of farmers I'd guess, real farmers, the guys and girls out there in any weather 18 hours a day 365 days a year are not rich. Plus they would be stupid to buy a Range Rover, that's no use on a farm, is a luxury car not a workhorse, farmers choose land rovers or toyotas generally. A Range Rover would last a few weeks being worked hard on a farm, too many toys and too much luxury trim and deep pile carpets.
miluda
9 Apr 161#67
Almond milk is bad on the environment and is grown in a drought stricken area (California).
As always, you're better off drinking water.
yrreb88
9 Apr 161#65
As there is no significant difference between organic and normal milk, there is no reason for one to always go off before another. I'm sure if you do this with a large number of bottles, you will find they average out and roughly go off at the same time but there will be natural variance that depend on things like different herds, breeds, time of year, diet etc. It could even be something simple like the organic milk not being stored/processed properly or the regular milk being better stored/processed.
I've had regular milk go off literally the morning after the use by but that's just an anecdote. It probably won't hurt me, but it smell and taste odd. Use by dates tend to be conservative simply to ensure safety.
unclecuddles
9 Apr 16#64
Organic milk quite often ends up in "normal" milk. Also, the clarification process they used to operate in the factory I used to work used to remove almost as much bacteria as the filtration process used with this milk. Shelf life tests shows that milk stays fresh far beyond the use by date, quite simply because they have to build in the fact that some customers break the chill chain and leave it out, or in the boot of their car on the way home. I remember the glass bottled milk delivered to the doorstep was the same milk but had about 6 days less shelf life because of the fact that it was delivered off the back of a milk float and potentially sat on a doorstep for hours.
PhilK
9 Apr 16#49
Oh, the humanity ! Is it as bad as the coal industry, destroyed by same people throwing vast amounts monthly at (guess) ? Or the steel industry ? Or ANY BRITISH manufacturing industry ? :laughing:
Besford to PhilK
9 Apr 16#60
Have you tried anger management classes? You might live a little longer. :wink:
Sogaaddict
9 Apr 161#59
There are farms and farmers and then there are farms and farmers. Not all are the same, obviously.
capa
9 Apr 161#26
Aldi and Lidl queues make any deal cold for me.
Realise I'm being grumpy so not voting but tend to avoid both stores due to queues when paying.
They need self serve points like a cat needs a nap
Besford to capa
9 Apr 164#39
I guess if you don't use them you don't know how fast those queues move. One person in front of you in Waitrose discussing the weather with an employee trained to be 'customer friendly' takes much longer. As is the time it takes a Tesco employee to come and 'approve' your alcohol purchase at the self service till.
Sogaaddict to capa
9 Apr 16#58
Avoid thursdays fridays and saturdays then.
EXZAMS
9 Apr 161#24
dairy farmer suicide rate is the worst of any business.
yrreb88 to EXZAMS
9 Apr 16#32
I thought vets were the highest?
plodging to EXZAMS
9 Apr 161#34
Well they should sell up and get a job on minimum wage stacking shelves.. It may cure their depression.
chrisbass to EXZAMS
9 Apr 161#57
not true
DoHS
9 Apr 161#56
i am married into a farming family, so i know what i am on about. father in law (brand new car every 3 yrs, usually Discovery w/t all the gadgets, brother in law similar, sometimes Nissan Navara or Discovery for a change)....so I think I know just a bit about it, thank you very much.
barny321
9 Apr 16#55
I cannot really answer that as I've never produced organic milk, although what i would suggest is that its something to do with processing of the milk. Perhaps its pasteurised differently? I can say that the bottled milk has far less taste and isn't as thick as milk straight from the tank.
amzzzzyyyy
9 Apr 161#54
Farmfood 3 gallons for 2£
preecey
9 Apr 161#53
But why is it that whenever I buy organic milk it will start to go off around a day or two after the use by date? The regular milk doesn't.
barny321
9 Apr 161#52
i can tell you that farmers aren't doing anything to 'regular' milk to extend its shelf life. The milk is lifted from the farm either every other day or daily and it's in the farmers best interest to have the milk collected sooner to keep the somatic cell count and bactocount low as penalties are deducted from the milk price if the SCC and bactocount are high.
barny321
9 Apr 161#51
Maybes because they're too busy working for you to see them...
PhilK
9 Apr 162#48
I said you were a pathetic apostrophe hunter and so you are. Now you're desperatly trying to use even more pettiness to make a point.
The only point you ARE making is your pointy head
Besford
9 Apr 162#47
That's not an apostrophe, it's an accent! You could have used one in "there's" though.
You seem bitter: maybe you'd do better putting your energy into improving your education instead of making assumptions about farmers as excuse for taking an unnecessary swipe at them?
PhilK
9 Apr 161#46
And yours wasn't petty ?
Besford
9 Apr 16#45
Whereas your original comment was constructive was it? :wink:
PhilK
9 Apr 16#44
Hardly cliched. Oh wait. Theres a worthless apostrophe hunter about......CLICHÉ.
I always remember a farmer ranting that no business should be subsidised by government, and the Trade Union man at the discussion asked how much money he got from the government AND Europe to subsidise JUST HIS farm ? The farmer was in a rage, but avoided answering. Then there was the farmer just a few weeks ago complaining about prices he was getting - with a Merc, and a Range Rover behind him. And he WASN'T one of the "land owning gentry" - and that was just what was there in the field of vision of the camera.
No, I haven't seen OR heard of a poor farmer either
PhilK
9 Apr 161#42
Ah. Pathetic pettiness. What would the whiner do without it ? :laughing:
Besford
9 Apr 161#37
BMW's what? Or did you mean Range Rover's? I can sort of understand that some people are ignorant in the use of the apostrophe but same person in same sentence! :confused:
Tyranicus66
9 Apr 163#36
You should open your eyes a bit more or prehaps just keep your cliched rubbish to yourself.
Your stereotypical wealthy farmers are all arable farmers, normally from the SE. Stock men have taken a pasting since BSE / Foot & Mouth and never really recovered. The problem is not helped by the average townie who cannot distinguish one type of farm from another!
I would much rather see milk increase in price if it meant our farms were sustainable.
rossygnol
9 Apr 16#35
Don't know about lidl but aldi don't sell the blue one so I always have to get them from Tesco.
deany76
9 Apr 16#33
LOL
yrreb88
9 Apr 164#31
Common organic misconceptions. No hormones are fed to cows and there is no significant benefits nutritionally or in terms of health.
nasir_glasgow
9 Apr 16#30
moved over to organic ,pay few pence more, cows not fed hormones etc and good 4 u ,
poor cow
red23
9 Apr 162#29
As has been said not sure milk deals are to be celebrated.
"yay i saved 35p" and at huge cost to the producers
Sogaaddict
9 Apr 165#23
They're around, 7 day week, morning to night, feed bags wrapped around their legs on old fashioned tractors, tenant farmers. Pay them for their milk, a sensible realistic amount.
Spriggan
9 Apr 16#22
I prefer my milk produced by cows if I'm honest
cmdr_elito
9 Apr 161#21
Some farmers aren't poor because they have diversified, it's these farmers that have simply just dropped dairy farming all together and keep going where the money is.
There are other farmers that have been dairy farmers for generations and their cows are all they have in the way of income and don't have enough land to diversify or at least to the same scale as others and these people are really suffering, they commitment to keep providing milk even though it costs them money is admirable, otherwise you would simply been drinking cheap imported milk where cows are kept in lower standards and fed with poor quality feed, since the cow is using that feed to produce the milk you end up drinking bad quality milk. You are the only person that loses in the end.....
northwales
9 Apr 165#18
really, you do a lot of the tax returns for these farmers then
Richard_Lawrence
9 Apr 1614#17
Milk is often sold in supermarkets as a 'loss leader'. The price is reduced by the supermarkets. sometimes to under what the supermarkets pay for it, just to entice customers in, with the farmer still getting what the agreed price was, irrespective of the price charged to the customer.
Ellie Phant
9 Apr 161#16
Uk has imported millions of litres every year for a long time.
haybr
9 Apr 165#10
Does this mean the farmers get even less money?
northwales to haybr
9 Apr 164#11
it does. the way price of milk is going, the UK will have to import milk to meet demands as it will and is putting UK dairy farms out of business.
PhilK to haybr
9 Apr 1615#14
Yes, patching the tyres of their BMW's and Range Rovers
PhilK
9 Apr 161#13
Asda's 99p for 4 pints I thought - and has been for a LONG time
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Aldi and Lidl both now sell pasteurised, homogenised, fresh filtered milk (produced by Arla Foods, makers of Cravendale) now down to 99p for 2 litres.
2 litres of Cravendale at Tesco - £1.90 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at ASDA - £1.80 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at Morrisons - £1.90 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at Ocado - £1.90 (2 for £3)
2 litres of Cravendale at Waitrose - £1.90 (2 for £2.50)
2 litres of Cravendale at Iceland - £1.50
2 litres of Cravendale at Sainsbury's - £1.75
2 litres of Aldi Fresh Filtered Milk - now 99p
Same price at Lidl too
Exactly the same as Cravendale - a very long use-by date, and keeps for 7 days after opening.
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/6-liltres-british-milk-2-18-9p-a-pint-farmfoods-3x-2litre-4-2-2413803
75p at farm foods.British milk
- cheesybeanzz74
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You cannot keep squeezing prices lower and lower then expect all the costs like wages, animal feed, veterinary bills etc to also get lower - vets won't take a pay cut, so the savings are probably being made with farmworker's salaries/living conditions, and also the animal's welfare.
I don't go along with the tree-hugging veggie stuff, but now and then we ought to think about more than just saving a few pence.
Obviously Aldi and Lidl's is cheaper, but maybe a better price comparison?
As much as I admire what Aldi and Lidl have done for 'forcing' down prices, I hate to see Aldi's price saving promotions based on their own brand against top branded items.
Much more honest to compare own brand against own brand (not necessarily budget end).
Rant over. lol
Voted hot and watching to see how the major supermarkets act.
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As for cheese, cheese can be very dangerous to pregnant mothers for example if they get unlucky as it can harbour listeria.
Not to go into the specifics of different bacteria that would be living in animals harmlessly but would not be harmless to humans etc etc
And if you followed my link you'd see that it doesn't lose health proprieties. The 'wulzen factor' and taste would be the only changes, and the risks far outweigh that slight change that can be compensated elsewhere
You're talking about raw milk there which is another story and not guaranteed safe regardless of the protocols and precautions hence the legal requirement to warn consumers.
http://www.localhistories.org/life.html
When pasteurised, milk loses all the beneficial enzymes and also the wulzen factor. I myself don't drink much milk, but I am getting into the consuming raw grass fed butter and unpasteurised cheese (you can buy from lidl, waitrose etc). I have had unpasterusied raw milk and it tastes much better.
Using the CDC as a source is misleading, as the CDC is corrupted due to rich men having a hand in things, like pharma companies and monsanto etc. If you look into lobbyists in america you will know what i mean. Check these links:
http://www.westonaprice.org/action-alerts/new-studies-confirm-raw-milk-a-low-risk-food
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jnkNhZelNY
http://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/lifeexpectancyatbirthandatage65bylocalareasinenglandandwales/2014-11-19
So not 'guesstimates' but well established and useful metrics.
National LEB figures reported by statistical national agencies and international organizations are indeed estimates of period LEB. In the Bronze and Iron Age LEB was 26 years; the 2010 world LEB was 67.2. For recent years in Swaziland LEB is about 49 years while in Japan is about 83 years. The combination of high infant mortality and deaths in young adulthood from accidents, epidemics, plagues, wars, and childbirth, particularly before modern medicine was widely available, significantly lowers LEB. But for those who survive early hazards, a life expectancy of sixty or seventy would not be uncommon. For example, a society with a LEB of 40 may have few people dying at age 40: most will die before 30 years of age or very few after 55. In populations with high infant mortality rates, LEB is highly sensitive to the rate of death in the first few years of life. Because of this sensitivity to infant mortality, LEB can be subjected to gross misinterpretation, leading one to believe that a population with a low LEB will necessarily have a small proportion of older people.[2] For example, in a hypothetical stationary population in which half the population dies before the age of five, but everybody else dies at exactly 70 years old, LEB will be about 36 years, while about 25% of the population will be between the ages of 50 and 70. Another measure, such as life expectancy at age 5 (e5), can be used to exclude the effect of infant mortality to provide a simple measure of overall mortality rates other than in early childhood—in the hypothetical population above, life expectancy at age 5 would be another 65 years. Aggregate population measures, such as the proportion of the population in various age groups, should also be used alongside individual-based measures like formal life expectancy when analyzing population structure and dynamics.
The measure to look at is life expectancy for the over 65s. If you're poor then you have a poor life expectancy if you reach 65 especially if you live in certain parts of the country like Glasgow for example. Live in leafy Dorset however, and you should expect to live into your 80s.
Dairy farmers are currently being paid 16p per litre at the moment.
And certain things vary by region.
Loss leaders are a bit of a fallacy. Having had dealings with supermarkets (or "major multiples" as they are known), the supermarket rarely, if ever, takes the hit. If you want a product listed...you pay: i.e. the supplier actually pays the supermarket to stock the product! cut price deals...the supplier normally pays. Don't for one minute think the supermarkets take the hit.
How much energy and fossil fuels does that filtering use? It can't be good for the environment. Just seems a bit pointless, our ancestors didn't filter their milk and neither did your mother I imagine.
The dairies/supermarkets only have the power to dictate their prices because there is a surplus of milk in Europe. So supply exceeds demand. The fact is, if they can't afford to sell milk at the price being offered then it's probably time to find a new career.
My friend (I live on his farm) could walk away, but why should he just because people are dictating prices? We can't dictate and we are customers too. When did you last walk in a supermarket and demand to pay a set price for a product and force them to lose money?
The only farmers who can make a profit have had massive investments made in their equipment either because they were rich or they've taken out huge loans or they have a big company behind them, and they they can scale up, but that often doesn't work. I know a guy who did it, he has a huge herd, but it's going a bit wrong, the profit just isn't there as prices paid dropped again and he's struggling to pay for the expansion now. All we need is a 'farming crisis' like foot and mouth and many will be finished.
This isn't about global economy, it's about our fear of paying the proper price for a product - we hate the idea that kill will cost more then a pound.
That's the big issue I have with Lidl/Aldi in that they have a limited range of food options often with only one type of each food and with some food being unacceptable quality for me I cannot buy that food in those stores. However I'm not loyal to any one supermarket so tend to use different supermarkets depending on what is most important to buy and whether there are offers or vouchers available. What I love about Lidl/Aldi is the weekly offers especially diy gear and the fruit and veg while occasionally poor quality is well priced. However I've done shops in Tesco which consist mainly of value range items and the special offers plus used a voucher and also benefit from clubcard points which I won't use until a boost and its soo much cheaper than Lidl and Aldi when you look at the figures. I doubt Tesco actually want me in their stores based on my purchasing habits as I doubt they make any profit from me. Also because of Aldi/Lidl I think Tesco pricing has been far more competitive on some essential items. I like the fact Lidl/Aldi have driven prices down even though I'm not a fan of the quality of their products overall.
Due to my busy schedule I often buy milk but don't end up opening it before the use by date. I don't use my fridge that often and eat out quite a lot, so often I do find milk in my fridge which can be a week or more out of date, which obviously I tip down the sink and then recycle the bottle.
I have found something that is very bizarre though.
When I open a week-or-so old bottle of milk and smell it, it smells totally fine. It doesn't even go lumpy, either. It looks and smells as fresh as it would have been when I bought it. I don't risk it though and still discard it.
This is in stark contrast to when I buy organic milk. If I leave that for the same amount of time past its use by date it does go lumpy and smelly.
I've wondered why this is the case for a while now. Are farmers doing something to regular milk to extend its shelf life? Are we secretly being given really old milk that has been doctored to last much longer than it should?
If you have the time to spare, buy a small bottle of standard and organic milk and leave it in the fridge. The organic milk will go off naturally over time but the standard milk will just look the same.
Update: it appears that I'm not alone: http://suddenlunch.blogspot.co.uk/2016/02/use-by-date-for-milk.html?m=1
So now you know the facts-no secret processes- but I must leave you to draw your own conclusions as to why your organic milk doesn’t keep!
Not sure who supplies Aldi.
Wow what a cold deal.75p for 2 litres/£2 for 6 litres.British milk Farmfoods nationwide.
It's also a mistake to assume lower retail prices = lower prices to the farmer. Supermarkets often use staples like milk as 'loss leaders' to bring you into the store.
I also sympathise with struggling, small dairy farmers but the situation is FAR more complex than comments in this thread suggest. A majority of the milk produced isn't sold on as liquid milk in shops anyway.
Enjoy the privilege while you can.
good price :smiley:
When my gran died she left my father her house and 30 grand in savings and left each of her brothers and sisters(quite a few as this is bearing in mind my father is almost 70 so back in days of large families) £1000 each which each one turned their nose up and said they wanted more and how dare she give her savings and house to her own son and not her brothers and sisters! And my dad gave me stories of how they made him work unpaid much of the year when not at school and not give a penny.
Obviously Aldi and Lidl's is cheaper, but maybe a better price comparison?
As much as I admire what Aldi and Lidl have done for 'forcing' down prices, I hate to see Aldi's price saving promotions based on their own brand against top branded items.
Much more honest to compare own brand against own brand (not necessarily budget end).
Rant over. lol
Voted hot and watching to see how the major supermarkets act.
I'm not bothered about filtered milk and extending shelf life by removing additional bacteria I always worry about how sterile we are making food nowadays. I mean the human body is made up of 2-6lbs of bacteria and with mcdonalds burgers so sterile that they can last 20 years without decomposing its getting a bit ridiculous now. I wish Lidl and Aldi would do cheap lactofree milk. Normal pricing is about £1-1.38 so anything below £1 a litre would be good. We could certainly do with a price war on lactofree which is more healthy.
You cannot keep squeezing prices lower and lower then expect all the costs like wages, animal feed, veterinary bills etc to also get lower - vets won't take a pay cut, so the savings are probably being made with farmworker's salaries/living conditions, and also the animal's welfare.
I don't go along with the tree-hugging veggie stuff, but now and then we ought to think about more than just saving a few pence.
Coop is 2 for £3, with NUS its 2 for £2.70 making it next best price.
Feel sorry for farmers who only own a couple of million pounds worth of land and free EU subsidies. Sooner we get out of EU, supply price will increase and farmers can stop moaning.
(Note I use the correct their instead of there).:smiley:
I know for most it's an essential, but I honestly believe we should drink things like almond, coconut & hazelnut milk. They are all natural sources but an animal doesn't have to go through severe pain to produce it.
I don't see many of you thinking it would be great having your wives/girlfriends/friends breast milk as appetising, so why is a calfs milk any different?
They are due subsidies - single farm payments they are called - and their payment is fast approaching a year late. Their car broke down - 15 year old Nissan - and his father in law let him the money to buy a 10 year old Toyota.
I would never dream of working the hours he works, 5am until late evening 7 days a week, he can't afford staff other than 2 guys part time. He can't scale out of it, he could sell up but it's in his blood, why should he give up everything just because people compare their entire shopping basket on the price of bread and milk?
Land owners are often rich, they rent their land out to farmers and tenants, and some farmers of course have scaled up to factory producing levels so turnover millions.
The vast majority of farmers struggle, I know a lot, none are remotely wealthy, I have more surplus income than them all I'd guess and I'm not rich.
Your view is made up of seeing a few stereotypical images of farmers I'd guess, real farmers, the guys and girls out there in any weather 18 hours a day 365 days a year are not rich. Plus they would be stupid to buy a Range Rover, that's no use on a farm, is a luxury car not a workhorse, farmers choose land rovers or toyotas generally. A Range Rover would last a few weeks being worked hard on a farm, too many toys and too much luxury trim and deep pile carpets.
As always, you're better off drinking water.
I've had regular milk go off literally the morning after the use by but that's just an anecdote. It probably won't hurt me, but it smell and taste odd. Use by dates tend to be conservative simply to ensure safety.
Realise I'm being grumpy so not voting but tend to avoid both stores due to queues when paying.
They need self serve points like a cat needs a nap
The only point you ARE making is your pointy head
You seem bitter: maybe you'd do better putting your energy into improving your education instead of making assumptions about farmers as excuse for taking an unnecessary swipe at them?
I always remember a farmer ranting that no business should be subsidised by government, and the Trade Union man at the discussion asked how much money he got from the government AND Europe to subsidise JUST HIS farm ? The farmer was in a rage, but avoided answering. Then there was the farmer just a few weeks ago complaining about prices he was getting - with a Merc, and a Range Rover behind him. And he WASN'T one of the "land owning gentry" - and that was just what was there in the field of vision of the camera.
No, I haven't seen OR heard of a poor farmer either
Your stereotypical wealthy farmers are all arable farmers, normally from the SE. Stock men have taken a pasting since BSE / Foot & Mouth and never really recovered. The problem is not helped by the average townie who cannot distinguish one type of farm from another!
I would much rather see milk increase in price if it meant our farms were sustainable.
poor cow
"yay i saved 35p" and at huge cost to the producers
There are other farmers that have been dairy farmers for generations and their cows are all they have in the way of income and don't have enough land to diversify or at least to the same scale as others and these people are really suffering, they commitment to keep providing milk even though it costs them money is admirable, otherwise you would simply been drinking cheap imported milk where cows are kept in lower standards and fed with poor quality feed, since the cow is using that feed to produce the milk you end up drinking bad quality milk. You are the only person that loses in the end.....