If it's manly you're looking for, try this deal you postedX)
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/hipster-boxer-trunks-5-99-prime-9-98-delivered-amazon-2322794

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I prefer wrist watches personally.

I don't believe you're on benefits. You spelled benefits correctly.

Currently have a tissot lelocle and love it. Was looking to get a of e as a gift for the old man, and this could be it!

Nice, but really just a piece of jewellery. A nice piece of jewellery, yes, but not very manly is it?

Nice watch looked at the other day, better than in the photos, I have the prc200 and love it

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​ :laughing: eatmorefish has a specific meaning for manly by the looks of it!

@robsprocket just won reply of the year

Nice spot Baz. Heat

​you know! great come back!

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will buy when i get my benefits

Too close in style to my Hamilton Thin-O-Matic to consider but a very nice watch.

They've got big discounds on their Ball watches as well. If someone would just kindly put a Sinn U1 on offer now please.

300 quid for something you might wear once a year at a wedding?

Muhahaha. Touché :smiley:

You wouldn't go digging ditches wearing it but I don't see why you wouldn't wear it every day. The sapphire crystal won't scratch easily (though it will shatter if you drop the watch or hit it hard enough).

Does it have heart beat monitor?

I bet eatmorefish is now sorry he even saw this deal!!!!!

Great value for a good looking mainstream Swiss day and date watch with a decent Swiss eta automatic movement, plus sapphire crystal glass on top and a see through case back underneath. Plus a stainless steel strap made from 316L surgical steel. £415 on the tissot shop site. This is a great deal. Hot.

forgot to mention in the op that there's 2.1% topcashback on sale items, this should save you another £6.

Have a Tissot V8 and love it, gets compliments regularly and feels great on. Couldn't justify another one... Well I could the wife couldn't :disappointed:.

EDIT: the V8 black is down by £95 too!!

How accurate are these automatic watches compared to the Quartz watches?

Even the cheap Quartz ones are accurate to within a second or two a month these days.

Will this work with my iphone?

I prefer wrist watches personally.

@nitrous, I own an omega Seamaster Aqua Terra GMT chronograph that I bought last year... I natch got a hot deal, I flew to Munich and bought it from a grey market dealer when the £-euro was really strong exactly a year ago... I paid £3800 plus a couple of hundred for flights and travel to/from Heathrow and to the guys shop from Munich airport .. They're £5800 here... BOOM!!!
Like tissot (and a bunch of other Swiss manufactures) omega are owned by swatch However omegas are fully in house movements these days and use the (English invented and designed) Co axial escapement.
Tissot manufacture cases and the movements (also known as ebauches) when bought in are stock ETA (also owned by swatch) ones. However eta movements are rock solid and a benchmark for reliability.

I've put yhe movements make and number in the op, it's an ETA 2834-2. ETA is Swiss and owned by the Swatch group as is Tissot and many more famous brands.

Same ETA mechanism like in other watches, nothing special for that price.

I'm a big tissot fan and have owned several automatics. For the price this is a good deal. However it looks quite bland and really doesn't do it for me (unless it looks a lot better in real life - will check in goldsmiths)

I'd opt for the tissot visodate heritage white dial with deployment and brown leather straps. It has a domed sapphire glass which looks really nice. currently £385.

OR look at hamilton equivalent such as the viewmatic again a bit more money but will be worth it in the end.

My watch repairman says the same, ETA is not only restricted to Swatch group, so it's not worth that money. My best Tissot was purchased 11 years ago, it's still perfect, but unfortunately I do not trust them these days.

While ETA make movements in the far east, they are supplied exclusively to Hong Kong and the Asian markets. Their European movements are all still made in Switzerland.

@mikki777, Baz is quite right. ETA now aggressively restrict the supply of movements to specific brands (mainly Swatch brands) and those "in the circle of trust". This is a relatively new development so your watch guy may not be up to date. Most brands that were using them now drop a Sellita in instead. The movements are basically identical (expect for the odd extra marketing jewel). Both are excellent quality movements.

The reason this is special is the value on offer. If this were to have an Omega logo on the dial, with the same hardware you could comfortably add 1-2k to the price and no-one would bat an eyelid. It's a respectable Swiss mid-brand with all the features you would want in a dress watch, for the same price as a half decent Seiko - what's not to like?

It's an entry level swatch Swiss brand but @tyranicus is right, a lot is about branding. It is a day date movement (an extra "complication")and would be a minimum of £5k more for any of swatch group or richemont's (between them they own 70Ish % of the luxury Swiss watch brands) higher up brands. If you want a laugh go check out the price of an entry level rolex day date! Eta still supply plenty of non swatch group brands btw however once you use an eta movement I'm guessing swatch are taking a large chunk of your profits. The companies further down the supply chain do also sell more basic ebauches for manufactures to build too...it all adds cost though...
If you want a proper watch go buy yourself a Roger Smith watch. Every single part bar the crystal is Handmade on the Isle of Man. Older ones exclusively by him. You'll need around £120k for the basic ones and be happy to wait at least a year... If you get chance go watch the documentary on YouTube. If you're a horology or engineering fan it's pure art!

Automatics are great but people think 'it will save me on the hassle of replacing batteries' but seem to forget that decent automatics do need servicing every couple of years which is astronomically expensive, and even more necessary if you don't wear it much (as parts can sieze) - so then you need to buy a watch winder.

I had a Tag Heuer Calibre chronograph that I didn't wear much in case I scratched or damaged it at work, a stunning watch, but the chrono wouldn't work and it got picked up during the service which was £200, one of the tiny gears had gotten stiff and the self-winder spring would never have enough tension to release it. Anyway I sold it and went back to quartz watches instead. I just thought I'd throw that out there - I guess if it's a watch only (no chrono) and worn each day this is less of an issue.

Those wh have decent mechanical watches know how hefty maintenance is, I gone for about ten solar ones instead.

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I disagree, bought four Tissot watches last year here, they all have Chinese content, Swiss Made, as defined by Swiss law, I read up a lot about this. Just look at their (companies) accounts balance sheet, and see how much is imported into Switzerland from China.

But not the movement!

Yes, the movements , in my conclusion after reading all the reports, all sub £2000 RRP are unlikely to have movements 100% Swiss Made, cannot remember now exactly the Swiss Law minimum % content to declare Swiss Made..there is simply not enough Swiss workers to make that volume of watches at low enough manufacturing costs. Just look at Apple products as a comparison and which Apple product is made in USA and its price.

For example, http://www.reuters.com/article/us-luxury-watches-swissmade-idUSBRE9230KS20130304

No mention of ETA though? The practice is well known (in fact i brought it up in a recent Rotary thread on here) The main perpetrator of this method are watches using the CL-888 which is basically a Seagull ST16, machined in China, 51% assembled in Switzerland.

Tissot do not make movements. Their parent company owns ETA, who supply movements to Tissot and all other swatch sub brands (i.e Hamilton). So if Tissots balance sheet shows Chinese imports, my guess would be it would be for other parts (i.e. case, glass, leather, pins, buckles, screws etc or maybe raw materials).

They cannot ask ETA to supply half the movement, and a Chinese manufacturer to supply the other half.

So their accounts would look like this:

ETA: (£1,000,000)
Swiss Company A: (£500,000)
Swiss Company B: (£500,000)
Chinese Company A: (£500,000)

I've pulled the figures out of thin air, but the ETA expense would be for complete movements; The question here is how much of ETA's complete parts are produced in switzerland. I have always assumed they produce their movements in their home country and any foreign imports would be raw materials or auxilary parts (i.e screws). Anyone care to share some insight into this theory?

@tmohammed if you're interested in knowing why quartz watches have always been accurate, it has to do with the 'beat' of the movement. Mechanical watches have a balance wheel which swings several times a second, and once it completes those swings the watch ticks forward once, and it does this all day long. Of course a metal wheel that swings around is affected by things like gravity and the shock of you running, or waving your hand or driving and turning the steering wheel - of course these events slow it down by tiny fractions of a second, but after a full day or two, the difference can add up to a few seconds. The second reason for slow/fast movements is due to wear and tear, and oil in the movement. A mechanical watch requires cleaning to remove old oil and grease, and then it needs lubrication to ensure smooth movement between parts and to reduce wear and tear. Of course worn out parts cause inaccuracy too. So mechanical watches require servicing every few years and this is expensive.)

A quartz watch has no wheel swinging, it sends an electric current through a coil around a quartz crystal, which oscillates several hundred times per second. This is very accurate and ANY quartz watch (even the crappy $5 chinese movements that you find in most fashion brands like Armarni and Hugo Boss (which incidentally sell for £££)), will exhibit this high level of accuracy.

@Tyranicus66 Some people have said getting an automatic is great because of cost saving of the battery change. This is not so. A 50p DIY battery change or a £5 battery change by a professional is far cheaper than the £75 service cost from a local watch maker (for a simple mechanical watch), chronographs and vintage watches are more expensive. For most people who want a fashion accessory or a watch to tell the time with occasionally, I would recommend a quartz watch - minimum fuss and money saved in the long run. People who tend to buy and appreciate mechanical watches do it because they appreciate the machinery and science (or art, whatever you want to call it).

On another note, some enthusiasts are pedantic about the accuracy of mechanical/auto watches being out by more than a few seconds a day, however my doctors or dentist has never set me an appointment at 9:00:36 seconds and if I miss that 36 seconds, I am sure they will wait a few minutes for me. So I have never seen the need to be so pedantic about my watches being out by a few seconds. I've never understood why people care so much - I appreciate the skill it takes to make a watch that accurate, but I cannot see how that benefits me on a day to day basis. Just arrive a few minutes early for your appointments - people will respect that more than the COSC certified watch on your wrist (most people dont care what you have on your wrist).

4 grades of ETA movement BTW. Which is used is determined by the specific maker, i would not pay too much attention to the RRP as different brands offer very different value.

The CL888 is provided as an Ébauche. The Swiss just add the hairspring and finish it (Côtes de Genève etc) So its not inconceivable for the Chinese to provide half a movement. They certainly provide the case / strap etc.. and have done for decades. I have just never heard of ETA doing it but again its not inconceivable.

Reference accuracy I think temperature has a small bearing their and why Estimated Time of Arrival in something reckoned to be so accurate? :smile:

Not strictly true. Swatch group "prestige and luxury" brands. (Including my omega and all newer omegas- I made sure) http://www.swatchgroup.com/brands_and_companies/watches_and_jewelry
Have 100% in house movements. Omegas use the Co axial escapement which is exclusively licensed to omega. But if you're paying sub £2k for a watch it's not a luxury watch. Expensive yes, but everything has a price point to meet a market and specific buyer.

It go through batteries

Yeah! Just download the Tissot App and make sure your iphone is not jailbroken. :smile::D:D

Co-ax - Designed by George Daniels, an Englishman and genius. Little bit cheeky for Omega to call it "in-house", sure they bought the rights exclusively but they did not design it. People like Orient make "In-house" movements for bargain basement money if people want to seek one out

Not really, omega are quite upfront (and use it as a marketing tool) thst they license the Co ax movt. Same as many watch brands license Liquidmetal for bracelets and other patented technologies

I've got a Tissot watch which I've had for nearly 16 years now. I've worn it daily.

I don't notice that it goes out at all time wise. I don't have time critical things but I do have a job where I have to watch the time all day long and it doesn't noticeably go out over a year.

I'm not entirely sure what the model of watch is. Is there any way to identify it?

It has a black face, just the numbers of the date (ie 24), no numbers for the hours. On the front face it says Tissot at the top with 1853 directly under it. At the bottom of the front face it says Powermatic 100M / 330 ft.

On the back it has a clear glass panel and says:
TISSOT
SWISS 1853
AUTOQUARTZ 17 Jewels


Can anyone tell me anymore from that about it?

Thanks

Just pasted all that info into google images and it looks to be identical to this one...

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Tissot-POWERMATIC-100m-300FT-Stahl-Referenz-T31-1-489-51-P881-981/272017928896?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D36247%26meid%3Dd31d26d3a057484f9e1bd9d3d54a22f9%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D231479951778

I stand corrected on that point. Not ALL swatch sub brands have ETA movements. I should know have known, considering I am currently wearing my speedy :wink: But hypothetically, if Omega wanted to outsource movements, ETA would be their first port of call. My argument was hinting at swatch trying to keep their brands self sufficient by using their own companies to provide for each other, and inversely wean other brands from using ETA by restricting parts sales.

Heat, cold, humidity, face up, face down, amount of lubrication, lack of lubrication, type of oil used, dust in the movement etc etc.... too many to list without this becoming an essay :smile:

from those in the know, how good of a deal is this?

How good of a deal is this?.
It's the best price for this watch, so it is a good deal. (£125reduction)
It's an entry level Swiss watch from a respected company, It has a good automatic movement, a sapphire crystal and what looks to be a quality bracelet.
It's in stock at a respected English Jewelers, buy instore and they will adjust the bracelet for free.

Thanks for this, I have got about 5 Citizen Eco-drives and just looking for something a little more exclusive, the artistry and craft of an automatic appeals and I like the idea of this as a dress watch for going out etc.