It is all a bit Stan Laurel, especially the description.

Stanley WAS a world leader in heavy duty tool production for a reason. Packed with features such as thermostat control, fan only option and variable heat settings; whether you’re in the home, garage, jobsite or field, this is the solution that can keep you productive no matter what Mother Nature throws at you.

I wen't to a restaurant the other day, it was also packed with features like, knives, forks and plates, ready to take on anything the Chefs throws at you.

Proper description = "Cheap fan that can blow hot or cold air at you in a metal box so that when you kick it over it dents instead of smashes like a plastic one would"

13Amps at 240v = 3.12kw on single phase

This would take more abuse in the back of a van or in a workshop, but would put out the same heat as any 2kw heater.

Where and how would you plug it in? It would need its own circuit.

not exactly compact or easy on the eye is it. Should be 5kw really

Other then the aesthetics - what the difference between this, a standard 2kw fan heater and a 2kw bladeless heated fan?

Is the output still just 2kw regardless of form factor?

Ah I'm showing my ignorance of electricity, go on please do tell me the maximum for the plug socket?

Just under or around 3kw. :-(

Well as a store like Home Bargains would only sell electrical appliances fitted with a standard UK BS 1363 three pin 13A plug the maximum rating it could be is 3KW.

It is all a bit Stan Laurel, especially the description.

Stanley WAS a world leader in heavy duty tool production for a reason. Packed with features such as thermostat control, fan only option and variable heat settings; whether you’re in the home, garage, jobsite or field, this is the solution that can keep you productive no matter what Mother Nature throws at you.

I wen't to a restaurant the other day, it was also packed with features like, knives, forks and plates, ready to take on anything the Chefs throws at you.

Proper description = "Cheap fan that can blow hot or cold air at you in a metal box so that when you kick it over it dents instead of smashes like a plastic one would"

not sure but, at 3kW the plug will get hot and slowly burn inside and the fuse doesn't blow. (from experience)

13Amps at 240v = 3.12kw on single phase

That's a fault in the wiring, the plug or the socket. Possibly someone has jammed a continental 2-pin plug into the socket in the past and damaged its contacts.

13Amps at 240v = 3.12kw on single phase
UK mains electricity is 230V

You can get 8-9kW of heating from a device connected to a 13A plug but it involves using a heat pump :wink:

Around 3kW is the maximum you'll get from a resistive heater from a standard mains operated heater.

Or more if you have a 60kw gas heater that also plugs into a single phase socket for fans :smiley:.

Probably will with a calibrated meter.:smirk:

Just as an amusing aside :
The Uk Supply is 230 V +10% - 6%, so technically Glyn is correct :smile:

Ours measures 230V ever since they repaired/replaced the transformer for the street, before that it was a little over 250v.

I can't see it running @ 230 tbh, in old days it was 244, 230 was only introduced as a figure for European harmonise with Europe, the actual volts has never been change... It would cost way to much.

As an electrician of 20 years I've never measured 230... 238 onward is the norm

That's a whole new can of worms :-)... I think I'm being swayed towards stating after first thinking that leaving was for the best.

Staying

All 2kW heaters should produce exactly the same output -2 kW
There are fan heaters which are cheaper & also compact so easier to store, with the same output.

Stanley is part of the same group as Black & Decker & De Walt.

the plug,
that heater should have been wall mounted and connected to a fuse spur, as I was told that the plug would not handle a continuous use at 13 amps.

If anyone else is curious, I also came across
a new Bosch Oven which .specifically said in the manual not to wire it to a plug even though it was below 3kw

For 13 A appliances it depends on the plug. Quality plugs like MK can handle heavy use . The like of cheap Chinese plugs may be rated 13 A but have a tiny screw for the electricity to go through at the pins, hence they get hot!

Y would it?? Only 5kw only pulls 21a. Normal ring is on a 32a breaker.

I don't know who told you that, but it was bizarre as 13A plugs are indeed designed to handle 13A continuously, and the fuse would be the same whether it was in a spur or a plug.
I would like to know why that is too - it's certainly not for reasons of current consumption. Electricians?

Regarding the mains voltage, the key thing is that the voltage is nominally 230v.

Before European harmonisation the UK voltage was nominally 240v. There is a reason why the range is set at +10%/-6% it means that no changes had to be made to the national grid to accommodate the EU regulation. As most of the UK housing stock and therefore power infrastructure such as substations and transmission lines pre-date the regulations, most households still have a nominal 240v.

Voltage tends to be on the high side because heavy duty loads like motors and heating elements are not particularly sensitive to voltage and low voltage devices have regulated power supplies that ensure a constant voltage providing the input voltage is higher than the required voltage.

As there is some voltage drop due to the resistance in the cable that feeds your home it is better for the supply to be towards the high end of the range then really long lines will still be in spec without going under the lower limit.

Something to consider when measuring mains voltage with a cheap multimeter is that the AC volts measurement is not a true RMS measurement so gives quite inaccurate readings.

would be nice if it looked better

maybe they are worried about cheap plugs, one burning away behind an oven can't be great.

I went to buy one of these the other day and most were damaged in the boxes. (Scratched and dented)
No axe to grind just be careful and check inside. They are not as sturdy as they look also but didn't buy as all damaged.

Expensive to run. Stanley has never been the world leader in heavy duty tools ‼️

​From experience also, unless the socket is brand new and the plug is brand new, a 3kw heater pulling a continuous 13a resistive load will heat up the junction where the plug meets the socket, primarily on the live terminal, which then causes heat damage around the fuse area on the plug. if using a 3kw heater continuously in a fixed location I'd recommend a dedicated fused spur every time- this removes the plug to socket junction, which will always have a small resistance and hence does generate heat at high amperage.
Isn't progress a wonderful thing? the old round pin mains plugs actually made a better electrical contact than the modern rectangular pins!

I've read both that round pins are better and square are better. I take your point but I'm disappointed about your experience. I would have hoped that good quality plugs and, especially, sockets, would not overheat.

My brother tells me the voltage at his workplace is 234V, measured with a calibrated meter in the course of his work.

I'm aware the vast majority of homes will still have a 240v supply, I assume ours is lower because our transformer was replaced a few years after the supposed harmonisation, when the old one "blew up" and caught fire according to a neighbour.

take a look at industrial power plugs and their round pins. I think 13a is at the limits for rectangular / square pins, maybe why they get hot. We are a strange country having square pins on all our domestic items in our houses! but the biggest problem is probably the screw grip for the wires, many many years ago I was trained to solder the ends of the wire before inserting in the plug, but now it's just twist the wire and insert. Much the same as being trained to use solder-bucket pins on electronic equipment & now it's all crimped connector pins and sockets!