Use the lubematch on Shell web site before you buy and then read the pdf specification just to make sure. I nearly bought this oil until I did this and found Shell Helix Ultra ECT 5W-30 , double the price, is a right oil. This is because of my car's diesel particular filter's active compound and it needs a cleaner oil.
slybunda
23 Mar 16#8
damn it i just bought 2 jugs using the 22% code gerrrrr!! may just get one of these ordered now and stock up big time
rufnek2kx
23 Mar 16#9
It was 16% quidco too when I bought mine last week. I'm not sure if that's still available but worth checking.
Oil, oil filter, air filter, cabin filter and 2 bosch wipers for £55. Bargain.
nothingmuch
23 Mar 16#10
What is the difference between this and the 'AP-L 5W-30'
Shell correct oil checker comes up with AP-L 5W-30, would I be ok to use this one instead?
Thanks
anewman to nothingmuch
23 Mar 16#14
Many cars can use almost any old oil so long as it's near enough the same viscosity. Some cars you might wreck the engine and need expensive repairs if you use something other than the manufacturer recommends. Best place to ask this question is an owner's group or internet forum specifically dealing with your model of car.
FearOne to nothingmuch
23 Mar 162#20
You want a ACEA C2 oil, this is ACEA A5/B5.
mrimac94
23 Mar 161#11
EuroCarParts are much more expensive than CarParts4Less but use the same stock.. I bought a Clutch, Flywheel + CSC from CarParts4Less for £370.. EuroCarParts with this 25% discount (same parts) comes to £381.. Mad.
splender to mrimac94
23 Mar 16#13
Exactly, I didn't bother with discounts at EuroCarParts, this is called "pricing" and branding... essentially the general British culture uses pricing (discount, offer, buy one get one free, cashback, reward points etc.) to adjust for quality, volume and profit using bureacractic means and heavy administration whereas the other cultures like German, Swiss, Swedish..use more basic pricing technique, i.e. "you get what you pay for" and quality control.
badgerrules
23 Mar 16#12
Oil, oil filter, air filter, pollen filter all for under £30 delivered :sunglasses:
mrimac94
23 Mar 16#15
Could probably use it but it's never recommended. This Oil doesn't meet VW spec. There's a reason that specifications exist. If you decide not to use them, potentially no problem, but you will be going against manufacturer recommendations. :smiley:
moonfruit
23 Mar 16#16
I just used this voucher code on an oil filter and a pollen filter- bargain!
joshtbh
23 Mar 16#17
Same day delivery ?!!?! 5L of quality fully synth oil for £15?! this deal is one of the hottest for a while my friend!
dinmk
23 Mar 16#18
Audi A6 2.7 tdi spec?
FearOne to dinmk
23 Mar 16#19
No, certainly not. vw engines require more protection from their oil.
"ACEA A5/B5 oils are Upper Mainline lubricants. They are designed for use in high performance gasoline and light duty diesel engines that are specifically designed to use a low viscosity oil. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines."
Doesn't meet VW speck. If it was suitable it would be included on the label such as the Shell Helix AV-L.
A manufacturer will want to cover as many manufacturer specks as possible at each cost point. The fact this doesn't meet VW504/507 speck is an indication that it can't pass the high pressure sheer wear resistance required of VW PD engines, for the sake of £15 more you'd be better ensuring that the manufacturer speck is met or passes an equivalent performance test.
big k to john184
23 Mar 161#25
Oil manufacturers can't place manufacturers spec on their oil for free. The car manufacturers charge the engine oil companies for saying it meets the car manufacturers specification, so you get this weird problem of the engine oil meeting all the regulations but the engine oil company doesn't want to pay for the rights.....
TONYDAVO
23 Mar 16#22
We're do you enter the discount code ?
Deal_HUNT3R to TONYDAVO
23 Mar 16#24
At checkout
Deal_HUNT3R
23 Mar 16#23
Easier return swayed it for me, £97 vs 99 for my order of brakes.
TONYDAVO
23 Mar 16#27
Sorted thanx
naughtybunnies
23 Mar 16#28
Anything sub £20 a good deal. Heat.
suarez777
23 Mar 16#29
can this oil be used in all cars? Or is it for cars from a certain time period?
john184
23 Mar 16#30
Don't know if you are technically correct there, from what I understand the oil company has to pay the (car) manufacturer to undergoe their testing regime which typically use the manufacturers specific blueprinted test engines which are run for specified hours, loads and revs and then tested for numerous wear criteria such as camshaft lobe wear, cylinder bore wear, sludge build-up etc.
It is not a case of paying for the rights to say this but rather paying to test the oil against the manufacturer criteria which is typically far more stringent than ACEA tests etc.
You are correct in that these costs are obviously not negligible (and will have an effect on smaller comlanies such as Miller oils meeting such claims etc) but the point which (I assume) you missed is that there are already various Shell Helix ultra blends which meet manufacturer specifications which this variant does not and as such it would be prudent to use caution when assuming this is the same blend when there is a fair likleihood that it uses a completely different additive pack and likely also different synthetic composition (namely that the marketing of the VW speck oil states that it is formulated from the gaseous oil fraction where as this info is ommited from the AF-L variant)
Not all fully synthetics are equal and most are just very well refined mineral oils.
IMO modern engine oils are not a patch on what they were years ago prior to the introduction of the energy saving considerations and removal of the various pollutants that minimise engine wear.
djames108
23 Mar 16#31
all it means is vw etc havnt been tested for the spec.....
I personally don't care what oil I use as long as it's fully synthetic and meets the correct viscosity. I can't see there being much if any difference beyond that......I'm sure people can speculate at the differences but life's too short and unless you make the stuff yourself and get your microscope out you'll never know.
I'm sure the oil police will be aghast now but for years and years I've never had a problem and think of the time I've saved not analyzing every label :smile::wink:
FearOne
23 Mar 16#32
I hope I never end up buying a car you've owned! :confused:
joshtbh
24 Mar 16#33
Dunno about anyone else but I was quite impressed when a bloke turned up 2 hours after ordering my £15 (minus tcb) oil with it in his hand!
djames108
24 Mar 16#34
ok :wink:
soz to all the oil conneseurs :stuck_out_tongue:
FearOne
24 Mar 16#35
Tbh a lot of the time you could get away with using a different spec but you have to know what you're doing, for example this A5 B5 oil in a VW PD (that's prone to eating cams anyway) will end in tears.
GAVINLEWISHUKD
24 Mar 16#36
But in reality who is going to be buying a PD engined car anyway!
Besides in a few years when we have left the EU and nobody is buying overpriced German cars all this talk of using different oils will be gone! :smiley:
djames108
25 Mar 16#37
it won't end in tears as it will have oil in it :wink:
in these days of fully synthetic you can't go far wrong.
been putting random (correct viscosity) oil in smarts for years and years and there notorious for oil issues and never had a problem......
the main problem with German cars, merc, BMW and Audi........tos**rs who drive like morons usually drive them which is why the engines/oil have cam problems.
I say usually as it is just a majority and not everybody so don't lynch me, but it is true :smile:
slybunda
25 Mar 16#38
AF is ford spec oil its on on the thinner end of the 30 scale. best used for engines with tight tolerances and clearances.
thicker oil is needed for less well refined engines e.g GM etc
FearOne to slybunda
25 Mar 16#39
Lol I guess BMW and the like have less well refined engines to ford too?
slybunda
25 Mar 16#40
that's true. as technology has moved on so has the machining processes. with more mechanical precision your able to get tighter tolerances and the gab between metallic surfaces is less. even newer Ferrari engines run 0w-20 weight oil these days.
if you have an engine that needs thick oil then its just a poor quality engine.
source: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com
FearOne to slybunda
25 Mar 16#41
They only use thinner oils to gain an increase in economy and lower emissions, often only by a fraction of a % in laboratory conditions.
Which Ferrari?
scrumpypaul
27 Mar 16#42
Cheers for this deal, I'll slam some in my ten year old 130k mile Jazz.
Opening post
£1 cheaper than previous deal using EASTER20.
Code is supposed to work only for batteries however I can confirm this is working for other items at time of posting.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351113320398?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Oil, oil filter, air filter, cabin filter and 2 bosch wipers for £55. Bargain.
Shell correct oil checker comes up with AP-L 5W-30, would I be ok to use this one instead?
Thanks
"ACEA A5/B5 oils are Upper Mainline lubricants. They are designed for use in high performance gasoline and light duty diesel engines that are specifically designed to use a low viscosity oil. These oils may be unsuitable for use in some engines."
https://www.lubrizol.com/EngineOilAdditives/ACEA/Sequences/ACEA-A5B5-10.html
A manufacturer will want to cover as many manufacturer specks as possible at each cost point. The fact this doesn't meet VW504/507 speck is an indication that it can't pass the high pressure sheer wear resistance required of VW PD engines, for the sake of £15 more you'd be better ensuring that the manufacturer speck is met or passes an equivalent performance test.
It is not a case of paying for the rights to say this but rather paying to test the oil against the manufacturer criteria which is typically far more stringent than ACEA tests etc.
You are correct in that these costs are obviously not negligible (and will have an effect on smaller comlanies such as Miller oils meeting such claims etc) but the point which (I assume) you missed is that there are already various Shell Helix ultra blends which meet manufacturer specifications which this variant does not and as such it would be prudent to use caution when assuming this is the same blend when there is a fair likleihood that it uses a completely different additive pack and likely also different synthetic composition (namely that the marketing of the VW speck oil states that it is formulated from the gaseous oil fraction where as this info is ommited from the AF-L variant)
Not all fully synthetics are equal and most are just very well refined mineral oils.
IMO modern engine oils are not a patch on what they were years ago prior to the introduction of the energy saving considerations and removal of the various pollutants that minimise engine wear.
I personally don't care what oil I use as long as it's fully synthetic and meets the correct viscosity. I can't see there being much if any difference beyond that......I'm sure people can speculate at the differences but life's too short and unless you make the stuff yourself and get your microscope out you'll never know.
I'm sure the oil police will be aghast now but for years and years I've never had a problem and think of the time I've saved not analyzing every label :smile::wink:
soz to all the oil conneseurs :stuck_out_tongue:
Besides in a few years when we have left the EU and nobody is buying overpriced German cars all this talk of using different oils will be gone! :smiley:
in these days of fully synthetic you can't go far wrong.
been putting random (correct viscosity) oil in smarts for years and years and there notorious for oil issues and never had a problem......
the main problem with German cars, merc, BMW and Audi........tos**rs who drive like morons usually drive them which is why the engines/oil have cam problems.
I say usually as it is just a majority and not everybody so don't lynch me, but it is true :smile:
thicker oil is needed for less well refined engines e.g GM etc
if you have an engine that needs thick oil then its just a poor quality engine.
source: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com
Which Ferrari?