​its 1080p.....on a much smaller screen.......
stick your face close to your tv, then your phone......phone doesn't look at all pixelly.

argument invalid I'm afraid

Disappointing that invisible people are voting cold without describing why. Heat added for the best price on offer at the moment.

​Holy crap, someone looked at the price in dollars and actually bothered to include VAT rather than complaining that Americans get it 20% cheaper.

That quote refers to the distance a user would have to be away from a screen with that PPI without lenses for the pixels to be indistinguishable.

See the promoted comment for a decent explanation.

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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/ifixit-digs-into-oculus-rifts-461ppi-oled-display-custom-lenses/


an average user would have to be eight inches from the Oculus display for the pixels to be indistinguishable

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http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/03/ifixit-digs-into-oculus-rifts-461ppi-oled-display-custom-lenses/

an average user would have to be eight inches from the Oculus display for the pixels to be indistinguishable

I don't get it, 910 degrees for on £10 off rrp that's a bit too hot for this. the Ireland deal was much better

I want this so bad. Absolute bargain as it has a superior RGB OLED screen compared to the pentile screens on the more expensive Occulus Rift and HTC Vive.

But not a PC meeting the specs for VR and a VR headset, so I'm not sure the comparison is apt.

Only way this device could have success was if it was standalone. Needing a PS4 means buying both which you can get a decent PC for around that price.

The thing is, Sony can only do so much to shoehorn VR development for the PS4. They can't push every game to support it, it wouldn't be feasible. It depends a lot on how VR fits into the genres were all used to playing, does it make sense to use it in most cases?

It sold something crazy like 100 million consoles and devs still ignored it so even if by some miracle PS VR sells well it will still be a fad. I give it less than 6 months before its completely irrelevant and won't be surprised in a few years that stores will be begging people to take it off them.

What's the Wii got to do with Sony?

Nope. Nothing is guaranteed and your a mug if you think Sony will support this. Even the Wii which sold like hot cakes still didn't receive any support and i doubt the PS VR will even sell well as the Vita. Sony is fooling you and laughing all the way to the bank.

​Spot on Joel , my thoughts exactly.

When I take the lenses out of my DK2 and look at the screen, you can hardly see the pixels. Put the lenses in and headset on and they are clearly visible. Looking at your phone is not a good example for people who have never tried VR, that is not how the pixels will look.

But anyway I don't care if you can see the pixels if you really try, VR is awesome anyway.

That's not guaranteed though is it? If stock is scarce as is often the case with new tech I'd like to be near the front of the queue so I can receive on release day.

Just out of interest, why are people looking to pre-order this? You gain nothing by doing so, and there will be plenty of stock on release for a similar price.

Should have been put down to 15% in the first place.

20% is truly ridiculous, and to think it was sold as a temporary recession measure and we would be back to 17.5% in no time...


Yes but even the highest sales tax states are around 9%. Plus you can order from a tax free state and ship it another for less than the tax total. It's not going to cost £25 to post.

Not sure if this is posted but wouldn't this be cheaper?

https://www.gamestop.ie/PlayStation%204/Games/46341/playstation-vr

£311.28 coverted at the current exchange rate

I have amazon student.. Messaged amazon and there was an error on their side that needed resolved. all ordered now

Because 900p on a 200ft screen would look stupid

Edit: trolol lol etc.

I really worry it's going to be all Indie / Mini Game stuff for the first little while before AAA titles support it properly. So many peripheral things Playstation has done in the past have ended up with little support such as SIXAXIS & the original incarnation of Move etc.

Regarding the price, we are still getting ripped off, RRP is $399 = £282 (We pay £68 more). This deal is £58 more. And Amazon US is doing a bundle including everything (VR, x2 Move's & Camera) for £344... £4 more than this! What a Joke!

​Nope, it's just a random 10% off an order from Amazon.co uk code with the email titled "Enjoy an extra 10% off with your membership" :stuck_out_tongue:

how can anyone vote either way?
this type of product has to actually be used before you can decide if it's any good or not, you can exactly see from a picture or a YouTube video properly.
it may be a lower price than other places, but if it's crap then it's still an expensive pile of junk.....

Yeah played it briefly just picked up an android game pad, it's pretty cool reminds me of that TV nightmare for some reason. I was actually impressed with ocean rift. And the glass smashing game is pretty awesome.

For any one after a decent ish review that gives you a good Idea of what it's like and the direction it's going have a read here. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/gaming/playstation-vr-1235379/review?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=14330&utm_term=4855817&utm_content=235416

That's fair enough. I think I just have less faith that the majority would show it can be implemented well, and with existing franchises (other than racing / cockpit games), but maybe I'm underestimating them. Either way, it's good to hear other people's opinions.

Call me an optimist, but I think the lack of AAA games at this early stage will help VR in the long run. That last thing anyone needs is a series of high profile franchise having VR shoe-horned in and muddying the waters with sub-par results. The wii had success, and all it brought from most big publishers was poorly thought out shovelware.

I'd love to get excited about this but its scope is so limited. Like 3D, most people I think will get tired of using it after a short while, and since no Triple A games are going to be released initially for it (due to the costs of development and small customer base) I think it will go the same way as the Playstation Move

VR is going to be big this year. I've only used Google cardboard, but that was enough to convince me of the potential.

I have an Oculus Rift ordered and can't wait. And, whilst the visual quality of the PSVR may not be quite as good as on a high end PC, for the price, this is seriously good. A lot will depend on the software, but if there are a few killer games out at launch (and I'd be surprised if there aren't), this will sell like hot cakes.

I completely despair sometimes, I share my own personal experience with this to help others who may be considering buying one of these only to be called a liar. Internet message boards - where human decency comes to die...

Agreed.....exciting times ahead and anyone thinking any of these devices won't deliver a brilliant VR experience.......well wait a few months and im sure they will be popping up everywhere for you to try!

Good find OP, Heat added!
I preordered from Amazon using my student discount for £332.49, with no immediate payment.

Yes time will tell. I personally have high hopes for it all. The gear vr is surprisingly good and that uses a phones gpu. The ps4 should be able to give some great vr experiences but will have to turn off some effects, lower draw distance etc. I am all for VR and I also think even with the low resolution and noticeable pixels it will be great. The only point I have tried to make is the top comment says that sitting close to a tv is nothing like looking at a phone screen but I was pointing out that is not the case because of the optics, you will see the pixels. Not arguing with you at all really.

DK2 kit......

I was lucky enough to try one of these a few months ago and it was truly amazing. I have also tried the oculus rift dev2 kit and the Samsung VR (albeit with inferior content) and was disappointed with the pixelation on both devices. I am assuming this will improve, but from my limited experience the Sony was on a different level. One word of caution; out of the 3 of us that tried it, it gave 2 of us a splitting headache!

Make sure you leave room in your attic for it. It should fit if you squeeze the Soda Stream up next to the Facial Spa

Just like it was in the 90's when Virtual Boy VR gave people eye damage.

DO NOT ORDER FROM ZAVVI!

Having pre-ordered a game, then given them a second chance and pre-ordered a second game...both came 3-4 days late. If you're preordering because you want it on release date, these guys are absolutely shocking. Give it a google and you'll see many many more.

I can't wait for people to admit they have buyers remorse when this flops and Sony abandons support.

lol ok its not as clean cut as that as there are pros and cons to each type, but it's more or less acccepted that the psvr headset isn't quite as good as the rift consumer.....however thats the not main problem with it.....the main problem is its connected to a ps4! you need a beefy GPU to make it useable on a PC so I can't help but think the res and frame rate required for good VR is going to be too much.......some people have complained the low in game res of some the VR stuff already.....However thats also its biggest selling point making vr accessible to a lot of people so they will get a lot of support.......like I said only time will tell.

Wanted Vive, but can't stomach £1500 on the new kit I'd need for it. This seems much more appealing but I think I can wait until I try it. Ideally that would be something like No Man's Sky (cockpit based environments are generally best for VR, but not sure how the first person bit would fare) but Hello Games haven't confirmed PSVR support yet.

So will Sony be charging a subscription to use the device like the PlayStation plus to get online,like charging £40 for a years use of the left lens but will make it sound better by giving you free use of the right lens each month,but only if you subscribe.

Yea, it's really good and that's coming form an xbox/pc user.
Really comfortable too.

Why so hot?
only £10 cheaper than Zavvi althuogh Zavvi pay quidco and theres a 5% code that would bring it in cheaper?

Wow a lot of people talking about VR in this thread have clearly never used it. Yes you can see a few pixels but it's far more immersive with the right software than anything. I presume game secs will just knock graphics down for the VR mode. Will be fine.

With the locked hardware it should help development for all VR. Intrigued

Your example isn't quite right, remember there are magnifying lenses between the screen and your eye. I have the Oculus, and although it is the development kit, you can clearly see the pixels.

And they did such a great job with the 'Super Mario Maker' and the 'Fallout 4 Pip Boy Edition' orders last year... Just saying...:smile:

Disappointing that invisible people are voting cold without describing why. Heat added for the best price on offer at the moment.

Have you tried Dreadhalls on your Gear VR yet?

I've got my pre-order in at Amazon and I'm hyped for true VR.

There is almost no discussion. oled > lcd and rgb matrix > pentile. It all comes down to cost and technology. The higher the resolution the harder it is to get an rgb matrix. Sony have likely chosen a lower resolution because then they can get the required fps, oculus wants to be the best vr experience but a 2k rgb screen is either not available or too expensive.

Well again not going to get into the nuances of human vision and pros/cons of pentile vs rgb because they have been done to death........but its a trade off some people might be bothered by the SDE effect of lcd screens or a perceived loss of sharpness in a oled pentile.......To be honest I can't see Occulus choosing a tech that doesn't give VR justice........although I could see Sony rushing out a cheaper version to just get into the market. Only time will tell.....

You had a go then??? Think ill have to try betore I buy at this price

I don't think the demand is enough to warrant a 7 month paid in advance pre-order. I'm confident that they'll be loads of excess stock around release.

The pixel gap gives you the screen door effect and form what I have read Sony have done a good job removing this and I am sure the screen is of good quality ... but Sony could not really work with anything higher than 1080P because it still has to connect to the PS4 at the end of the day. Being a 1080P screen essentially converted into a giant screen that fills you field of view will result in you seeing pixels. Perhaps if you believe it so badly you might be able to trick your brain come October. FYI I'm not a fan boy, I think it is ok for what it is, but I am just trying to be realistic.

It's going to be stunning.

yea you're right about the screen door effect but seeing pixels is what I was really talking about. Also pentile matrix is horrible in comparison to rgb that is the one benefit the PSVR has over the oculus

PSVR is miles better than DK1 or even a DK2 for God's sake. I own both DK1 and DK2 and have tried PSVR.

Well no thats not strictly true its the gap between the pixels that causes the screen door effect, the DK2 used more or less a rubbish smartphone screen, the consumer version is a pentile screen with seemless pixels so like I said should not be noticeable. if you just had a 4k screen you just would have twice the amount of lines.....its the pixel gap that counts.......

Oddly enough MS already said Oculus Rift will do the Virtual cinema with all the games on the Xbox One but when they announced it people/fanboys said it was stupid etc. Now those same people are saying "it will be great to have it" but the only difference is it's on PS4 ! Strange.

​dont know what planet your on buuuut I have chucked my phone into a headset and it's not pixelly.....
it's a zenfone 2 so not a bad screen but by far not the best out there......

Your also making your assumption thus product will be pixelly, unless you have actually used one :wink:

I guess a lot of people can't wait to come home from a hard days work and start playing Job Simulator VR

i've pre ordered and i don't even own a PS4 yet (have an xbox one)

I'm buying a ps4 basically just for this and uncharted 4.

Got a PS4 and XB1. What point are you making?

It's less but not eliminated. You need at least 4k to eliminate it. That doesn't mean it isn't a great experience but you can see the pixels. Just pointing out how weird it is that the top comment is someone saying something incorrect

SDE was improved ok dk2 and the optics have taken a massive leap with the consumer version but nobody can really qualify it yet......you could probably assume its all but elimnated now tho some people are bothered by different things fps,flicker,latency,fov etc.

yea I've tried a rift dk1 playing half life 2 and the screen door effect was very obvious. I still liked it but people assuming it will be great before trying or looking at reviews is just silly if you ask me.

Cheapest of the 3 upcoming VR headsets, hot.

anyone had a go at one yet or pre ordering on a whim? I dont want to waste money like I did on Kinect!!

It's nothing to do with the power - its the resolution of the screen and the visibility of the pixels that is the real difference.

I'm not saying that it wont be amazing and people wont be blown away - if they have never tried VR before. Going back to my VHS vs 4K TV analogy - if you have never seen a TV picture before, you will be absolutely amazed by just how good the picture is. Then after you've seen that, and see the same content on a 4K TV, you'll instantly think your VHS copy is rubbish.

It will be a good, budget option for VR (in relative terms - its still expensive!), but still nothing in comparison to the Vivie or Rift.

Ah forget it!

It's a typo, meant 110 :smiley:

Yer seems like a load of noobs trying to justify their pre-orders, see my comment above, 1080p in VR was like playing a wii game in 480p on the tv for me.

£10 off rrp doesn't sound like a great deal to me

What a load of tosh. Have you even used a VR headset. I played on Oculus at EGX 2014 when the model was 1080p and the image was exactly as the poster described, pixelated. I think we're looking at needing 4k/120hz panels to have truly immersive VR.

I really want to try this out before buying. I know the launch VR titles don't interest me at all. What this could be good for is playing normal ps4 games in cinematic mode which is apparently like a 200ft virtual screen in your face. This feature alone sounds good. Just can't justify the price. Even if it were £200 I would be buying it with a heavy heart. I'm going to wait it out for price drops. Or even third party versions.

Cold, will be found much cheaper towards launch.

Yes but Dorcel's 'Porn performer' would look so much better in 4K :wink:

This is the top voted comment? Do people not understand that this is a perfectly good example as using the magic of lenses the screen will be enlarged to fill your vision (exactly like looking at a projector or large tv close up) and in the PSVR the screen is shared between your eyes so its like looking at a 960x1080 projector. I'm not saying it will look terrible but you will indeed be able to see the pixels (I can see the pixels on my 2k note 4 when using google cardboard which doesn't even make the screen as large)

The sony one won't be 4k, it'll be 1080p split between eyes. They're going to do a lot of jiggery pokery to make it a good experience. :smiley:
As for graphics cards requirements, it'll be interesting once cards allow one card per eye - then you can two much lower powered cards just rendering one regular scene each :smiley:

A Z5 premium with a Gear VR style headset, that i would be excited to see.

and if Gameseek go bankrupt in 209 days?

I tried one of these at the game expo and I found the graphics a little dated

One major difference is the optics, which in more premium headsets will do a far better job of compressing the pixels from the warped image in the centre of the screen, where your eye will be focussed. Two screens may seem of the same quality, but the difference in headsets can be immense, which is why it's never sound to compare base solely on screen resolution.

Some excellent points here, Sony will do well from this. Gear vr is blowing up for Samsung and being used as a huge selling point for their flagship s7. I have gear vr and love it once immersed in an experience the pixels etc don't really brother me, but I can't wait for anext upgraded experience. It's the future for me. I'm thinking outlast on this thing with headphones???? I'd be done

​I hope I see pixels or it will be awfully dark in there, I tried the Sony headset that you could watch movies on and it wasn't blocky at all

Regarding gentlemen's special interest videos, there will be an updated media player for PSVR, which will probably allow for file playback. I think even Sony know what some people want to use it for. On a more innocent note, it should be great for viewing 360° shots of space and famous landmarks; imagine staring straight down at the Grand Canyon!

Will go perfect sitting next to the ps4 camera that I never use

Well I've used one of those cheap VR replacement which you attach your phone inside of it and uses your phone as the screen of the VR set, and my phone (Lumia 930 - 1080p 441 ppi screen) looked a bit pixelly. It did its work, but you could easily see the pixels. And I'm talking about a 30£ set with a phone. Can't even think of paying about 400£ for the same screen quality..

You see I think you miss the bigger picture, nearly all the reviewers, youtubers et al come away blown away by the PSVR, it is more comfortable, half the price and most say it performs better because of Sonys expertise at screens, it fact many feel it looks better...

So you have 50 million ps4 in homes ready to play vs 1% at best of PC's that can run the other two. it performs better, it is not a bespoke piece of equipment, developers have a fixed aim and a huge market......

And remember the more it sells that the Rift and DK2 means the more developers will go to that then 'port' their games to the more expensive ones....

You have to look at the bigger picture, parents (very few anyway) will buy Jimmy a £600 peripheral and a £1000 PC, not going to happen.... but many will buy a add on for the for xmas to a system he allready pwns.....

Oculus and Vive have a huge problem, then can (and have admitted themselves) only sell to a tiny niche market, Sony dont have that, they have 50 million people waiting....

Now pretend your a developer, you can make a product for 1% of your market, or you can make a product that can be sold to 100% of your market, you do not meed to be a genius to work out how this will end up... The PC ones will end up needing modders...

plus for the PC ones are porn, I doubt Sony will allow porn

you say the PSVR is a inferior product, yet all we are hearing it the complete opposite, just because something is not as powerful does not mean it is inferior

Seeing lines between pixels is known as the 'screen door effect'. In the GearVR (with S6) it is slightly noticeable if you look for it. The PSVR uses RGB pixels so the screen door effect *should* be even less noticeable, which should mean it is hardly noticeable.

I feel you may not have experienced VR so would not understand. VR is amazing, the budget versions of this give you a good idea of what is to come. Your whole field of vision is enclosed in the screen so where ever you look you see the environment- 360 degree of vision. So you need 1080p minimum for each eye. PlayStation is the lowest quality compared to the rift and vive for example.

Its going to be amazing!

Don't want to be a buzzkill, but I'd advise you to be cautious and to approach it without excessive enthusiasm. I've had a chance to try Samsung Gear VR on two separate occasions, and despite a higher resolution (2560x1440) the experience was pretty poor. The image was noticeably pixelated, you see the black "mesh" between the pixels them and the picture lacks sharpness despite my best efforts to adjust focus. I fear to even imagine what the 1920x1080 experience would look like, especially that with VR technology 60FPS frame rate is believed to be a minimum, whereas current consoles aren't too powerful and struggle to deliver constant 30FPS in many AAA titles. Don't get me wrong, it's a technology with great potential, but it's not ready yet, especially not at this price.

Which headset are you under the impression has a 120° fov?

Make sense thanks for explaining

I don't get this does this work with All games ?

Wish Occulus and HoloLens were gonna be this price...

I'm certainly interested, but the proportion of VR 'experiences' compared to games across all VR platforms is worrying, as it suggests that VR is more of a tech showcase than a viable gaming platform at the moment.

Having said that, RIGS looks fun, as does Battlezone.
I wish they would release some more details on things like Driveclub VR, or the reported Trackmania VR support, as that would make PSVR an instant buy for me.

Heat nonetheless.

instead of pre-ordering right now why don't people just wait abit? you don't want the first vr headsets to have faults in them like when the ps4 came out some had hdmi problems, plus is you wait you will get it cheaper

How does this compare to Samsung VR?

I bought the VR for £80 and boy it's impressive. However (and though you turn off from it and just enjoy the 'New Experiance') you can see the pixels.

It's Awsome moving your head about and hurts a little as you twist back and fourth in excitement in case you miss something. But it's also like going outside into the real world but with a pair of stocking pulled tight over your head as you see lots of squares.

Be good if PS4 doesn't have this and it can be a HD full experiance but guessing the price point doesn't get the 'ideals' just right and probably have to wait for screen advancements and Version 2 with PS5.

Anyways anyone know how they both compare?

Just The trick for a boring bus ride Hot

$400 list / 1.44 =£277
£277 x 1.2 = £333

So this is very close to list price. Have some heat for cheapest around and this is a good price for what you are getting but I suspect it will not look very impresive. Its only 1080p after all, try putting your face so close to your tv so that all you can see is tv and you will see pixels.

you need amazon student. link here

Anyone know where we will be able to try one before we buy?

That is not correct, its hard to put your face so close to your phone that it will fill your view without lenses because your eyes cannot focus on something so close to your face. That is why the VR headsets must have lenses.
But you can do it to your TV, it does not matter how big your TV is, there will be a point where you can have your face so close you can only see TV (this is what you want with VR - that you more or less only see screen), and most likely you will see pixels.[/quote]
Wow, some nice maths then you spoil it by saying that. Vr headsets are nothing like looking closely at your tv. Please don't make comments like that if you havn't actually tried vr.

I hope they send me one!

Did you have it in your wish list or something?

Student members should check their email as I received a 10% off code from Amazon for being a student member which brought this down to £315 :stuck_out_tongue: Now Sony have 6 months to convince me it's worth £315 plus cost of camera.

​Mate, I have tried PSVR. It is nothing like standing in front of my TV. The RGB display and the forming of the pixels (pixels are more concentrated towards the centre of the display... which is what you want in VR) makes the image quality very nice. And unlike other displays the screendoor effect is largely absent (even when looking at dark scenes).

​Mate, I have tried PSVR. It is nothing like standing in front of my TV. The RGB display and the forming of the pixels (pixels are more concentrated towards the centre of the display... which is what you want in VR) makes the image quality very nice. And unlike other displays the screendoor effect is largely absent (even when looking at dark scenes).

heat added, cheapest can be found but not only this, the reviews of the unit have been overwhelmingly positive.

Should have just posted full article this is what it does do.....


"The PS4 is perfectably capable of 120Hz all on its own," said Norden, emphasising that the main game rendering and processing is all carried out by the main console. However, the fact is that the PU (processing unit, as Norden called it) is actively cooled, suggesting some measure of computational power. And it is capable of carrying out a number of functions, some of which we were not previously aware of. Some of these features are crucial to the experience, while others actually offer exciting, brand new gameplay opportunities.

So here's the breakdown on what tasks the device does actually carry out:

It carries out object-based 3D audio processing ("really good and important to VR").
it displays the social screen - undistorting the VR output for display on TV. Quality is lost in this process, so it scales the image up and crops it so you don't see edges.
"Separate mode" - a completely separate audio and video stream you can send over to TV, as opposed to the mirrored social screen. It's sent compressed to the PU and then uncompressed by the device and sent to the screen. We're told that this was "an innovation that came quite late" in the development of the system.
It displays PS4's system software interface in cinematic mode, handling the display of traditional 2D content.

I was just replying to the guy saying the price will drop nearer launch and Amazon are quite good at price matching. I'm fine with paying the £310 it's costing me at the moment so if it does get any sort of drop then that is just a bonus for me.

You beat me to it, basically the box might deal with audio, surround or 3d, as well as other litle things, sort of like a pass through connecter of sorts.

Doesn't it just take the 60Hz image sent from the PS4 split it make it 120Hz?

At a Sony presentation, senior staff engineer Chris Norden, spelled out the basics, beginning with what the processor unit doesn't provide in the wake of speculation:

It provides no extra GPU or CPU power.
It's not any form of PS4 expansion or upgrade.
It's not directly accessible by the developer in any way - code cannot be written to it.

Bunch of PC VR fanboys already in this thread hatin haha

​Add that the screen panel quality will be much better than most TV's and have a high refresh rate!

Amazon yes. But this topic is for Gameseek. I doubt they'd price match.

yeah my del date was oct 5- 7... I am really peed now as if I preorder again I will go to the back of the waiting list, it was under my cancelled order section, but I cant see how as I didn't cancel, it was still on my open order page yesterday.. will wait to see their response, may just pre order it with game now and collect from store...

For once I am not going to jump right in with a new gadget and instead I am going to wait and see how it is received/supported upon release.

You're daft if you preorder this now. It's half a year till launch and better offers will be around closer to launch

I to placed my order to bang on 11am, on pre order day, I got the estimated del date etc, but just now I logged on to my Amazon account, I couldn't find it on the open orders and I found out my order had been cancelled! just sent them a email as I have no idea why, I didn't cancel it... very odd!

Just a heads up you can get £17.50 off on Amazon with an NUS card

The masses will buy this and the developers will go where the people are. The VR will be the popular culture virtual reality headset of the decade. I can imagine it will be sold out and hard to get hold of around launch. The fact Sony makes this, it's cheaper and has a massive established Playstation user base will mean it will be huge. The fact it's slightly not the best headset won't matter one bit.

No one knows what is in that little box of tricks that sits between the ps4 and the psvr. Might be a nvidia Titan z sat in it. :confused:

Anyway, good deal but I'm keeping my Amazon order. Got it in at 10:55 am and I should be in the first wave and I have a £40 Amazon voucher from bt if it ever turns up.

"With our Pre-order Price Guarantee, you can order now and if the GameSeek price increases between the time you place your order and the release date, you'll be charged the lower price."

What happens if the price drops?

Finally a reason to own a ps4....

Thanks

Hype hype hype! I need to buy ps4 first tho.. :d

Huh, 'kay. It's hard to differentiate sarcasm from Apple fanatics seeing they think whatever Apple makes is better than other companies.

Was being sarcastic my comment holds alot of truth though I've seen 2 year old iPhones for 600 quid at 2000 heat here

Cold too high price if it was apple at this price it would be hot from me

try before you buy.. I tested these at Sony London and felt sick after a few minutes. apparently this is common hence why we had to test them!

https://youtu.be/Dw-6gBWPyao

argument over

If you're getting this, then remember you need the camera too.

Put yout 5" phone so close to your face that you can only see screen - try it. You need to put it so close to your face you can't focus on the screen. So the original point Is just not valid as no way can he put his phone that close to his face and claims he can see the screen properly. If you want a screen to be the only thing in your vision it is exactly the same effect as going closer to your 1080 tv. It is well known that the oculus rift developer kits with similar resolutions have this issue and even the new rift at 2k will have this to some extent. The only way round it is to reduce the field of view so only some of your view is screen but that sucks.

​Because it isn't the same. I have tried PSVR, and it is not at all the same as when I've just walked right up to my TV. 1080p pixels on 30+ inches are huge. Like bloody Mario blocks. Not so on a 5 inch screen, and that's with or without lenses. The addition of RGB display helps the apparent image quality more so. PSVR is not going to be as clear as it's competitors (obviously), but to say it is the same or similar as facing your TV is just beyond silly and has no basis in fact or reality.

Are they allowed to take money for pre order? Doesn't distance selling regulations apply to them?

Nope I have explained why that is wrong. Nether of you have a clue.

​The ignorance... unless your TV is just six inches big, the pixels won't appear the same as in PSVR. The reason why the pixels stick out on a TV when close is because that 1080p res has to stretch across a huge amount of space. That becomes very different when the same resolution only has to cover just 5 inches and not 30+

Not to mention that the PSVR display is a full RGB one, not pentile, meaning the sub-pixels are much close together and much more difficult to discern than on a regular TV. Especially with regards to screendoor effect (indeed, PSVR is better than OR and Vive when it comes to apparent screendoor).

Does anyone have any idea how long the cables are to connect the headset to the box and the box to the PS4? I wonder whether the cables are long enough to get from my ps4 to where i'm sitting

erm, i think they charge first on all orders, i asked a mate of mine as he purchased from there before and they charge straight away before dispatch, so be wary!

I'm anticipating these selling out before xmas, no one else think so?

I think Amazon price-matches, don't they?

Probably wise to wait until after the first few months, there will be 10% discount codes thrown about and there will be a better idea of the games available. however heat as this is the best current price.

I might wait for a bit because I bought a Move straight away and they didn't really support it.

Cold, Gameseek take full payment at point of order. Sod that.

People keep saying you won't see the pixels on a screen that small.
You WILL still see pixels. Even Rift and Vive aren't at the point where you won't see pixels individually.

heat added for the price but if you have an NUS card you get 18 quid off the amazon price will be keeping my amazon order but this is a good price nonetheless.

I'll stick with my Virtual Boy thanks

Resolution will be a concern for all early VR headsets, but I'd wager the manufacturers are more concerned about getting the optics right and reducing SDE before bumping the res for the next iterations. First gen's all about seeing what works.

​I'm thinking that same. but thinking it may be wise to grab a ps camera while they are roughly £25 used.

And not forgetting that US state sales tax will also be added to the $400.

Not sure about the PPI on the Rift. I was just trying to point out that just because the PSVR screen is 1080p doesn't mean it'll look all pixely.

Voting a good PS4 deal cold because you prefer an X1 is silly I agree, but that's just the way it is.

At the risk of sounding stupid are all ps4 games going to be compatible with this? Quite like the idea of playing this with Fifa and COD

No, all deals shouldn't get hot, because not all deals posted are good deals...are they? It is a combination of many things, but it certainly shouldn't be based on your opinion of a product. Look at when for example, football deals get posted, hot if you like the team, cold if you don't. That's silly...AND THAT'S A FACT!

You think all deals should get hot? What's the point of voting then. It's a subjective website. You vote based on your opinion. It can be a combination of many things.


And that's your way of looking at it :smiley:

That's why some deals get hot and others get cold, even when they don't deserve too. It doesn't help anyone and makes a mockery of the system. I wouldn't say that's the point of the website.

Yes the PSVR is only 1080p but it has an RGB screen which should help it look ok. The Vive and Rift have a pentile screen which has less subpixels.

An example of RGB vs Pentile on a mobile phone:

Was going to add the same but only used the first gen hmzt1 and the quality on those little oleds was awesome. If only it hadn't felt like it was ripping my face off at the nose every time I used it!

The problem here is what will be on possible on the 1080p VR screen, because to keep up that min of 60fps, which Sony have told game devs is mandatory or it will be rejected, visual fidelity must take a hit somewhere in all this, because the PS4 as well as the XB1 both have had issue meeting 1080p/60fps on just normal games.

It is going to be interesting to see just what this can do.

You should vote however you like. That's the point of the website.

The pixels are noticeable on the Sammy Gear VR, bit it doesn't detract from the enjoyment of the fairly limited content available - I for one am amazed by it. Possibly an age thing (late thirties) as I have sad memories of trying the VR machines available in arcades back in the nineties, which were all pants.

BOOM!

Is Amazon the only place that doesn't take payment up front?

erm, i think they charge first on all orders, i asked a mate of mine as he purchased from there before and they charge straight away before dispatch, so be wary!

That is not correct, its hard to put your face so close to your phone that it will fill your view without lenses because your eyes cannot focus on something so close to your face. That is why the VR headsets must have lenses.

But you can do it to your TV, it does not matter how big your TV is, there will be a point where you can have your face so close you can only see TV (this is what you want with VR - that you more or less only see screen), and most likely you will see pixels.

Not fair!!! But, thanks anyway

cold cos although the cheapest I dont justify paying more for this than an actual PS4.

its an all or nothing kind of device, either devs need to go all in and utilise this or it becomes an expensive gimmick

Reminds me of this:

Will it work on Xbox one?

​Holy crap, someone looked at the price in dollars and actually bothered to include VAT rather than complaining that Americans get it 20% cheaper.

I'm kinda surprised the ps4 can support VR. My desktop barely has the power for it.

Heat for the price, but that's a huge amount of money for a device that's only compatible with ps4. I think I'll wait and see if a universal option appears.

I'm holding out on Vr until I can try them all out beforehand. I would hate to buy it then find out it makes me feel sick as a parrot after 5 mins use.

ooo I had not even heard of this

Hot. cheapest around. its just xboxers voting cold out of jealousy op.

So that's why it would be cold maybe. They take money in advance. What about cancelling preorder like that? It will go cheaper before release day so there's no point to order yet imo

Cold! Dammit, I want to put down £100 deposit to secure mine and Gameseek just don't give you that option, cold as cold can be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just be aware of this, they take your money and they have stock (when everywhere else is sold out!) don't be surprised if your order gets cancelled nearer release date

according to the faqs section, they do take payment in advance unfortunately

Shame the 5% JEMEL code doesn't work anymore

Don't get gameseek take money in order? That's a bit commitment till October

ten pounds saved is still good

Buzz? :smiley: