Thank you PF, great deal...especially when one thing leads to another, every little helps... :laughing:

Get the bluetooth version. It doesn't need wiring in.

Not fanning the fire here (excuse the pun) but you seem to be venting rather than arguing a point! Calling others morons just because you don't agree with them just shows that you may suffer from the same affliction.

The flip side to your point...

I tend to do my own electrical, plumbing and in certain circumstances gas work. I research and follow the regs to the letter. This is really not at all hard if you poses any degree of inelegance! There are times where I have had to get the work certified and never had any problems.

There are many decent and competent pros out there but I have also seen many who's work is bad beyond belief. They hide behind a joke of a 'ticket' and a liability insurance policy.

Nobody cares for my kids safety more than I. Therefore when I carry out any work it's obvious what my priorities are. My work will not be affected by a hangover, rushing to the next job, wife/kids problems etc...

The advantages of DIY for someone like me are:
i) Better safety and above standard work.
iii) Save on costs and having to fix a pro's botch.
iv) Getting it done at a time convenient to me.

Like I said, many pros are great at their job but unfortunately there are many who are equally bad.

Hi,
I'm pretty pleased that electrical fittings can be bought by anyone, it stops them being too specialised and therefore keeps the price down.
You can of course buy and fit as many of these sockets as you like to an existing circuit, as long as you don't fit any outside (or in a bathroom, kitchen or other special location). Nothing whatsoever is stopping you from buying, and fitting any electrical items to your house (or any gas fittings (also available to the public) without a GasSafe qualification come to that).There is no need for you to follow any regulations, no need to fit bonding, a CPC or an ADS system. As long as nothing goes wrong then the electrons (or the natural gas molecules in the gas illustration) will obey the laws of physics and do what you want them to; the only problems occur when something goes wrong, when a few regulations, a bit of bonding, perhaps a CPC and maybe even an ADS system come in a bit handy.
As I said above, I have no dog in this fight, ignore any safety regulations you like, and nothing will happen until something goes wrong.

hi could someone advise about fitting one of these is it straight forward just taking a spur of an existing internal supply?

thanks

These are first class, great price PF, heat added :smiley:

Agreed, I've fitted a few of these and they are first class. This is a very good price as well pennyfarthing88, well done. Heat added, I may pick up a couple tomorrow.
Alan

​always one

LOL

But it's only 3 wires?

Get the bluetooth version. It doesn't need wiring in.

But we are all replacing old units - over to you....

Well, all single phase circuits are only 3 wires (in that in rings the same 3 return) and they are all quite simple, but that is not the point, the law is the the law. To quote my Electrician's Guide to the Building Regulations (pp71, I know, I should get out more): '... Furthermore, outdoor lighting and outdoor power circuits are not allowed the minor works relaxation'...
I suppose there is nothing that specifically forbids running a spur from a ring main (or radial circuit) to an outside socket, except the whole circuit would then be an outside circuit, and so would fall outside the minor works relaxation, but I would probably not ever do that. A spur from an existing socket would work electrically (of course, and I have seen it done (illegally) many times during surveys) but I would not recommend it from a safety perspective.
Fitting power (or light) outside is best left to a professional (I agree it is simple, but lots of people get simple things wrong), so in this case I think the regulations are dead right.
Getting back to the post. pennyfarthing88 is dead right in highlighting this deal, it is a really good product at a very good price, but depending on the circumstances the cost of fitting it (to a non competent person) is probably about £150. It is still a good deal.
I have seen kits (for about £60) that allow an IP66 socket to be plugged in to a 13A socket inside the house via a 30mA RCD plug, thus getting round the building regulations (in that it is technically not fixed, even though it is screwed to the outside wall). If you wanted to fit something yourself and remain within the law (well, just about, sort of, until your child is electrocuted or your house burns down) then one of those kits would do, but I really wonder whether it would be worth saving £90...
Best wishes,
Alan

Thank you PF, great deal...especially when one thing leads to another, every little helps... :laughing:

Sure, like for like replacement is perfectly okay, but that was not the question (which was about running a spur from an existing ring main)...
I have no dog in this fight, I'm an electrician (I'm also a physicist but I do neither as a profession). I do a few surveys (and often discover horrors that are not only against the law but very dangerous) and a few installations (mostly for people who could not afford to pay otherwise), but I really don't care whether people install these against the regulations or not. I'm just providing some information on a cheap deals web site.

... I think you already know the answer to that question, so why ask it here?

I hope you don't electrocute anyone or burn your house down.

Best wishes,

Alan

Tell me Alan do you hate the fact that this equipment can be bought from all types of shops by any member of the public?
What I'm getting at is if I can buy all the gear from b&q why can't I fit it ? Who's stopping me if I don't invite building control over for a cup of tea

bought this one last year http://www.screwfix.com/p/bg-nexus-13a-2g-dp-switched-socket/67928 it's £3 more then posted one but looks much better

Seriously?

Don't feed the troll Alan' what you've said is good sound advice' you'll always get some that will try and start rather pointless arguments just for the sake of it' take a note out of my book and ignore them :smile:

If you called building control they would just say go ahead - come on....

My mate fitted one of these so he could run a hairdryer onto the barbeque to get it blazing. It's amazingly effective and I was kinda seething that I didn't invent it first. Yes, I've got one of those little hand-held cranky fans from Poundland and still didn't make the mental leap. :disappointed:

What I'm saying is, myself being a gas fitter am finding people attempting to fit boilers because it looks "straight forward" or "easy enough"
Certain fittings should only be available if a qualification card is produced
But if competency is proven why can't I fit a socket ? I'm sure electricians solder a bit of pipe together

^^ This guy and Alan get it.

Anyone trying to justify their attempts at unregulated electrical wiring is simply playing the victim.

We have laws for this sort of thing (gas, electricity) because the results can be disastrous and believe it or not your families lives are not yours to put at risk.

Neither are your neighbours.

Also; FFS....it's simply getting a qualified electrician to fit an outdoor socket correctly. Do you really need to save money so badly that you won't pay a professional to keep your kids alive?

If you can't afford to get it wired in then you prob don't actually need it at all.

Some right morons on here.

*diy'ers

What if i wire the socket to a solar panel or wind turbine? That ok?

Not fanning the fire here (excuse the pun) but you seem to be venting rather than arguing a point! Calling others morons just because you don't agree with them just shows that you may suffer from the same affliction.

The flip side to your point...

I tend to do my own electrical, plumbing and in certain circumstances gas work. I research and follow the regs to the letter. This is really not at all hard if you poses any degree of inelegance! There are times where I have had to get the work certified and never had any problems.

There are many decent and competent pros out there but I have also seen many who's work is bad beyond belief. They hide behind a joke of a 'ticket' and a liability insurance policy.

Nobody cares for my kids safety more than I. Therefore when I carry out any work it's obvious what my priorities are. My work will not be affected by a hangover, rushing to the next job, wife/kids problems etc...

The advantages of DIY for someone like me are:
i) Better safety and above standard work.
iii) Save on costs and having to fix a pro's botch.
iv) Getting it done at a time convenient to me.

Like I said, many pros are great at their job but unfortunately there are many who are equally bad.

Hot penny :wink:

Lol

there is "no law" against you fitting this... the law is for you fitting it elsewhere or some else using the equipt - ie: you sell the house or rent - then you can fit the equpt and get it "part P" approved. on the electrical saftey web site it states "We recommend that you use a registered electrician to do the electrical installation work."
Is it important who carries out electrical installation work in my home?

Yes. Electrical installation work must be carried out only by people who have the knowledge, skill and experience needed to avoid any danger to themselves and others.

We strongly recommend that you use a registered electrician to do any electrical installation work you need. They work to the UK national safety standard and will give you a safety certificate to confirm that their work has been designed, inspected and tested in line with that standard.

And you can still get the work part P certified at a later date. Part P training and registration is not hard, if fact its a doddle, mostly common sense, took a day & £500, yearly renewal about the same.

I think Id be more of a moron if I couldn't manage to connect up 3 wires. After probably turning off the electricity first mind.

Oh God you had to say it. Wait for the tidal wave of sparks, chippies and plumbers saying the work they have had to put right after the "qualified after £500 for a 6 week course" cowboys have been in.

...enjoy the hospital. I hear the food is nice. :-D

The fact that you just said you are better than a pro and feel the need to *fix* their work tells me that Dunning Kruger is in full swing here. Good luck. If you really cared about your kids you would not expose them to unregulated, untrained and illegal gas and electricity repairs.

You don't want to hear it but *shrug* it's the truth.

Why would I go to the hospital? I always sort myself out, I've put my own stitches in before and delivered my own children. It's not hard.

Because stitches and electrocution are the same.

The Medic is strong in this one.

"999, hi my friend has been electrocuted. But it's OK; I got towels and hot water ready for the baby."

My point is, I'm resourceful. I can also change a wheel on my car. And change 3 wires on a socket. Whether it's inside or outside, it's still only 3 wires.

​I have no idea what Dunning Kruger is but I'm pretty sure I can land an airliner in trouble, win Wimbledon and probably could have beaten Phelps in his peak :sunglasses:

BTW what I said was that there are decent pros out there but there are also a great many terrible ones.

These things aren't some voodoo black magic stuff!

At checkout paid £8.98 for some reason so even better.

No bought online and collected at store