​Fool is fool

If you're tired, have some caffeine.

Didn't know one can make an espresso with a french press.

I thought it was a microscope :smirk:

I thought it was a microscope :smirk:

Looks like it should be in a museum

These are the dogs danglies of espresso machines.

Never had a decent cup from the pod type.

Well worth the money if you love your coffee.

you can find more details on the La Pavoni website (although more expensive), this machine is built to last, solid construction and heavy, but size wise no bigger that your standard de'longhi.
http://eshop.lapavoni.com/en/lever-machines/europiccola-en.html

I did begin to think it was 1st april :laughing: That's one ugly coffee maker.

What's wrong with these? Few quid, no filters, simplicity itself! http://www.pepper.com.br/cafeteira-francesa-bodum-kenya-1l/p0305026700204

If you think the La Pavoni is ugly you really need to get some taste. Let me guess, your house looks like that of a premier league footballer?

Good deal, but a word of warning to anyone considering it, there are associated costs to consider.

If anyone has thoughts of buying one of these to use with supermarket beans and a £10 grinder, or worse, pre-ground coffee, just don't. Your reward for learning how to use it, actually going through the movements of using it and bulking up your shoulder muscle will be the same crappy cup of coffee than if you hadn't bothered to begin with.

The route to better coffee is paved first with fresher beans, then with a better grind and only THEN with a better machine.

No expresso but it makes a tasty cup of coffee, as I say, for a few quid. Keep it simple, my motto.

Sorry but Percol Black is tastier and even simpler than that.

Heat added for the OPs find though.

​Fool is fool

If you're tired, have some caffeine.

Some of the dearer ones are beautiful as well.

Just buy it, stick it on the counter and take the instant out the cupboard when no one is looking :stuck_out_tongue:

I've had two espresso machines and a grinder direct form Italy with no problems, and usually much cheaper than UK. I just chop the EU plug off with a 3 pin.

Check delivery from Amazon.IT - I had an additional £7.99 to pay for UK delivery.

This particular machine is available from a UK based company for the same price but including free delivery see following link :La Pavoni

Unless you plan on learning how to use this machine properly (and that includes another £200 or so for a good grinder) then steer clear, it's about as far from plug and play as you can get.

For the right person, this is a great deal.

And please, espresso is spelt with an S not an X.

To be fair decent fresh coffee beans used with a bur grinder would benefit any espresso machine. The difference with this machine is once you get the hang of it it does produce really good espresso coffee. The milk throther can takes a bit of trial and error, but I can now get it right every time. I was getting decent espresso after my first week, but like I said I'm still learning even after 4 months.

Ok it might seem pricey for a coffee machine, but these machines are built to last and should give a lifetime of service, but unfortunately they are a bit unknown in the UK so might be difficult if they do need a service although there are a few specialist websites. In reality they are a really simple device so not that much to go wrong.

But having said all of that, it does look a great bit of kit, which is actually a genuine retro machine still doing the business today. This is a decent price new and given the prices on ebay for machines that are twenty years old and need rebuilding you could probably get your money back if you came to sell it.

The Pavoni is a bit of a more difficult machine to master. It is a completely manual lever which means the pressure is applied by your own arm. This exacerbates any inconsistency in the grind. I cant say I have tried a bodum with this particular machine, but it would be a difficult combo to get good results with.

Coffee is one of those things that when you first try fresh beans with your own grinder the taste blows you away because its SO much better than stale supermarket beans in a french press. A better grinder wont ever quite provide this enormous leap in taste, but once you have tried a 'better' grinder the cheaper ones do become harder to recommend.

If on a budget, I would have a look at the Sage Duo Temp Pro, which would give better results with a cheaper grinder than the Pav.

no, it just needs to be done right if you're spending this amount of money on it.

Here's some Amazon.co.uk reviews (quite a bit more expensive there) http://www.amazon.co.uk/La-Pavoni-Europiccola-Espresso-Machine/product-reviews/B0000A33LX

Basic literacy is actually an academic subject though... so, let's agree to use "espresso" from now on.

There's some ****€rs on this site and you know who you are. Instead of taking the p!55 write something constructive or write nothing at all. What's more don't pretend to be the law on coffee machines because it's people like you who drink Mellow Birds. Buffoons!

Condescending as some of it may be, most of the input here (correct spelling of espresso aside) seems to be discouraging anyone who may have been pondering spending £270 on this expecting to be a magic path to amazing coffee, which can only be a good thing.

And if it's 'artisan' coffee that grinds your gears, you must be pretty upset lately, as it's certainly in fashion these days.

They do actually! My mum had a jar in her cupboard not long ago! (She thinks that and Maxwell House are "decent" coffee!).

If you have not tried it, how do you know? :confused:

You beat me to it. Also cafetiere does not filter out cafestol.

This thing looks pretty and will hold its value like a 30 y/o colnago slx, but like the colnago I suspect its good mainly as something to look at / bourgeoise conversation piece .No coffee shop would use this now !
As has been said the correct materials are the most important starting point

Love coffee gadgets, and it's not being snobbish, but it's a fun hobby. Never tried this machine, but seeing as I have an Aero Press, a moka pot and a Rok for my espresso, think I'd better stop. I've also seen some lever machines in polished brass - they look fantastic.

Because I know what the bodum, and pavoni, are like.

Why is is condescending to point out mis-spelling? (general question, not aimed at quoted text)

Thats what I thought :smiley:

They are selling them in the Italian amazin warehouse which works out just over £200 when you take into consideration the 20euro discount that is in at the minute.

I just think this may be a little complicated. Can I just add the espresso shots to some warm milk to create a long coffee?