Gaviscon is the big well-known brand - and very expensive because people will pay more for a brand.
Peptac is almost identical, works just as well, treats exactly the same symptoms - but it's less than half the price because it's a generic equivalent.
Peppermint or aniseed flavoured - just like Gaviscon.
Save yourself some money. Buy it anywhere you like, though a lot of stores choose not to sell it because they make much more money on Gaviscon. Usually £3 or maybe a bit less from your local chemist
Boots sell exactly the same thing, made by the same manufacturer that makes Peptac, at higher prices under their own label. The Boots one is £6.29 - for exactly the same thing. More than twice the price. They have the barefaced cheek to avoid UK taxes and still rip off their customers with ridiculously high prices, even for a generic like this.
Online and in the north Weldricks Pharmacy has a good name - buy it with free delivery click and collect, or £3.19 to have it delivered (free delivery if you spend £35 or more).
Peptac liquid contains three active ingredients, sodium alginate, sodium bicarbonate and calcium carbonate. These three ingredients work together to relieve the symptoms of gastro-oesophageal reflux, such as heartburn. Gastro-oesophageal reflux is stomach acid flowing from the stomach back into the food pipe (oesophagus).
Various conditions can cause reflux as a result of the pressure they exert on the stomach, for example, pregnancy and hiatus hernia. It can also occur following meals. Reflux can cause symptoms such as indigestion, acid regurgitation, or the painful burning sensation of heartburn. Over long periods of time the acid can also damage and inflame the lining of the foodpipe. This condition is known as reflux oesophagitis.
The active ingredients of Peptac are not absorbed into the bloodstream. Instead they work by forming a "raft" that floats on the surface of the stomach contents, physically preventing the acid from flowing back into the foodpipe.
Sodium alginate is a naturally occuring substance that is found in a particular type of seaweed. In the presence of the calcium carbonate it reacts with the acid in the stomach to form a gel. Sodium bicarbonate also reacts with the acid in the stomach to form bubbles of carbon dioxide. These bubbles are trapped by the gel and they allow the gel to float like a raft on top of the stomach contents. The raft prevents acid in the stomach from flowing back into the food pipe. This relieves the symptoms of reflux such as heartburn. In the case of reflux oesophagitis it not only relieves the symptoms, but also protects the inflamed foodpipe from the acid and allows it to heal. The raft lasts for about three to four hours on top of the stomach contents and is then broken down in the digestive system and excreted in the faeces.
What is it used for? Relieving the symptoms of gastro-oesophageal reflux, such as heartburn, indigestion and acid regurgitation.
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drSue
17 Mar 166#11
Nothing works better than raw apple cider vinegar with mother for heartburn. Sounds like acid, and dont make sense, but it does miracles.
willysnapper
17 Mar 164#9
Genuine Gaviscon Advert:
Newbold
17 Mar 164#7
They do one for Boots - it's twice the price at £6.29!
Love Boots - they really have perfected the art of ripping people off to boost the dividends they pay to their shareholders. At least Amazon give customers low prices when they avoid UK taxes. Boots is an aggressive UK tax avoider - AND it rips off its customers with ridiculously high prices. :smile:
dpathic2001
17 Mar 163#36
My mate died the other day from heartburn, Gav is gone.
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Newbold
17 Mar 161#1
Just for clarification, Peptac Liquid will do exactly what Gaviscon Liquid will do for less than half the price. Almost identical ingredients and every bit as effective for that reason.
You can get it from Weldricks for £2.99 (free click and collect) or you can spend £35 (12 bottles of Peptac will do it) and get free delivery to your home.
You may even find it cheaper in your local pharmacy - though Boots and a lot of stores choose not to sell it simply because they make far more out of you by selling you the much more expensive Gaviscon. :wink:
backtothecaves to Newbold
17 Mar 16#32
It's not so much the profit as the guaranteed sale of branded goods. We are all suckers fir brands. Pretty sure everyone reading this is touching a brand they trust.
col11
17 Mar 161#2
they are lots of "own brand" indigestion liquids out there In the supermarkets/drug stores is this any better then most or just the same?
kopking23 to col11
17 Mar 16#3
Peptac supply all the big stores/pharmacies and its just relabeled with their name/brand. Please see below.
This is better that almost all other generics. And the reason why, is like Gaviscon Advance this is one of the few ones which has Sodium Alginate inside of it.
Sodium Alginate is what you need for LPR and Non Acid Reflux which is what I have and what many people may have alongside regular acid reflux
Find an antacid that has Sodium Alginate in it would be my strong advice. And Peptac and Gaviscon Advance has it.
copystuff
17 Mar 16#4
They dont work anyway i use proper tablets from the doctors gaviscon and others never worked for me
MR GUS to copystuff
17 Mar 16#24
NO, this just didn't work for you, completely different.
Newbold
17 Mar 161#5
Some don't, but this type (alginate) does.
Deaa
17 Mar 161#6
Trying to wean myself off Omeprazole at the minute so been going through this stuff at a bottle a week!
Both this and gaviscon work equally as little!
Danze1984 to Deaa
17 Mar 16#8
I'd like to come off Omeprazole, I find gaviscon does absolutely nothing for me though.
superskim to Deaa
17 Mar 16#54
im trying to get off omeprazole too. the side effects are terrible. Can't sleep sat up all night
foxykelli to Deaa
18 Mar 16#69
I feel your pain :smile:
Newbold
17 Mar 164#7
They do one for Boots - it's twice the price at £6.29!
Love Boots - they really have perfected the art of ripping people off to boost the dividends they pay to their shareholders. At least Amazon give customers low prices when they avoid UK taxes. Boots is an aggressive UK tax avoider - AND it rips off its customers with ridiculously high prices. :smile:
willysnapper
17 Mar 164#9
Genuine Gaviscon Advert:
yas212 to willysnapper
17 Mar 16#27
Maybe for him :stuck_out_tongue:
seany1977 to willysnapper
18 Mar 16#71
I'm in work crying with laughter :laughing:
Newbold
17 Mar 16#10
Horses for courses, I suppose. The Consultant's advice was to drop the Omeprazole and increase the dosage of Gaviscon/Peptac and it works for me. Gaviscon's prescribed by the NHS, and that wouldn't be happening if it weren't proven to be effective.
drSue
17 Mar 166#11
Nothing works better than raw apple cider vinegar with mother for heartburn. Sounds like acid, and dont make sense, but it does miracles.
This_Is_My_Username to drSue
17 Mar 16#53
Mother?
willysnapper
17 Mar 16#12
Thinking about the link between Omeprazole and Alzheimer's I'm thinking of going back to having oral with the fireman! :confused:
welche2
17 Mar 16#13
ant that 99p in home bargains
Newbold to welche2
17 Mar 16#14
Not remotely the same thing, whatever your post means. :confused:
baconoverlord
17 Mar 16#15
The north, Doncaster er ok then. Have not voted either way though
Moneyspider
17 Mar 162#16
Believe the Gaviscon patent has expired - so they tried to rip off our NHS.
I want to come of Omeprazole too also worried about side effects but found gaviscon doesn't work. Starting chewing bisodol all day long!! What's this about cider vinegar?
Deaa to Jaybeam
17 Mar 16#40
You just have to keep dropping your dose slowly, I have gone from 40mg to 10mg per day over around a month. Another week and I'm dropping to 10mg every other day. It's far from pain free but I found dropping certain trigger foods helps with me, also chewing gum.
I've just started on Omeprazole. What are the side effects?
81splaj to Sancho
17 Mar 16#25
I took it for 4 days then became violently sick for 8 hours, a bit like bad alcohol poisoning but lasted longer, awful headaches and had a panic attack the day before. Had to stop taking it. Now on Slippery Elm & Gaviscon & doing throat exercises. Going to try Cider Vinegar too.
glasgowgirl
17 Mar 16#22
Agree!! Tried this when I had heartburn during pregnancy
Vogun
17 Mar 16#23
Huh. Reading that, makes me want to vote this cold...
I haven't.
MR GUS
17 Mar 16#26
will keep an eye out, the price of a big bottle of gaviscon peppermint is enough to give a double dose of heartburn, wish the wife had told me..
margamboy
17 Mar 16#28
I always buy this unless desperate and have to pick up a bottle of gaviscon. I find it a thicker consistency than Gaviscon but just as effective. However the pharmacy's do not have it on display you always got to ask for it behind the counter. I pay around £3.35 each time so this price is a bit less but not local for me.
hugekebab
17 Mar 161#29
What a reliable source of information.
airfix
17 Mar 16#30
I don't get heart burn as such with my problem but it feels like I have to constantly clear my throat(GURD), its like I'm growling all the time when its bad, it also gets painful in the throat. I have tried Lanzaparole for ages and switched to Ozemaporole with similar results (both help but you need to change your diet too, cut out caffeine/spicy foods/tomatoes/crisps etc etc). I have also tried Domperidome which forces your throat muscles to close after eating.
Only just heard about the Alzheimers link in this thread:|, worried what to do know, I can't stand having reflux as it wears you down with the coughing and throat clearing :disappointed:
Would be so pleased to give up the drugs and go for cider vinegar IF it works. Oh and I take steroids which can cause reflux.
"As we have seen in the previous articles in the series, heartburn and GERD are caused by too little – and not too much – stomach acid. Unfortunately, insufficient stomach acid is also associated with bacterial overgrowth, impaired nutrient absorption, decreased resistance to infection, and increased risk of stomach cancer, ulcers, IBS and other digestive disorders, depression and mood disorders, autoimmune disease, and asthma.
Chronic use of acid stopping medication dramatically reduces stomach acid, thus increasing the risk of all of these conditions. What’s more, acid suppressing medications not only do not address the underlying cause of heartburn and GERD, they make it worse."
References were supplied in the above articles.
yrreb88
17 Mar 161#33
Don't you normally post scientific studies and stuff? That site is full of rubbish and conspiracy theories.
"How to cure coeliac disease using holistic naturopathic techniques" "The ideal diet for curing celiac disease... Meat, vegetables, whole wheat carbohydrates, and non-homogenized milk products are fine".
"How to cure autism".
"The dangers of tap water" - partly blames the nazis. :confused:
Newbold
17 Mar 16#34
Interesting...........but, and correct me if I'm wrong, he's not a doctor.
Read post #31 and you'll see the basis of that link is sound, they go in to a lot more detail in the other links I've given.
dpathic2001
17 Mar 163#36
My mate died the other day from heartburn, Gav is gone.
fishmaster
17 Mar 162#37
A Doctor will prescribe you proton pump inhibitors which are linked with dementia and increased risk of pneumonia. Think for yourself that's all he's doing and he's backed it up with studies and studies are what everyone ultimately refers to as they elicit the current knowledge we have and even they can be flawed.
"Associations have been shown between PPI use and an increased risk of pneumonia, particularly in the 30 days after starting therapy, where it was found to be 50% higher in community use.[32][33] A primary research study using pharmacoepidemiological claims data analysis has reported an association between PPI use and the risk of developing dementia in people over the age of 75 (1.4x hazard ratio)[34] but this has not been examined in prospective studies. Inappropriate prescribing of PPIs in the elderly, including those with dementia, has been reported.[35]"
I'm just giving the information out if you choose to believe it or not that's up to you, as long as you actual think about what you're being told. Most of us believe the cause is too much stomach acid, I'm just giving the alternate view and evidence for that view.
HalliA
17 Mar 16#38
Gaviscon seems to do nothing for my symptoms, but heat added, this will save my dad money so I can spend more :wink:
mrjohngpatterson
17 Mar 16#39
Omeprazole, can stop acid reflux which unchecked, can have very serious health issues......look it up.....
kg91
17 Mar 16#41
I was prescribed this when I was pregnant, slightly different taste to gaviscon but it does the job!
Remember that on the internet, anyone can present themselves as in expert in anything. And it does appear Chris Kresser is an acknowledged expert at extracting money from desperate people.
mrty
17 Mar 161#43
Used Peptac at on the advice of my doctor. He's the good old fashioned type of doctor - always has time to do a proper consultation, and hates he government rip-off stance of ...'Use generics, they are cheaper', but he insists that this is at least as good as gaviscon. Sold over the counter at Tesco, Asda and Sainsbury's, but you have to ask at pharmacy counter.
Try it once, only risking a few quid, I'm pretty sure if Gaviscon works for you, this will too.
fishmaster
17 Mar 16#44
Taking aside what you personally think about Kresser, has he or has he not researched the subject properly and provided links to studies?
That's a completely different view again backed up by studies.
"Summing it up:
1. H. pylori infection is NOT linked to GERD and some strains of H. pylori may be protective for GERD.
2. People with low stomach acid have fewer GERD symptoms and are less likely to have esophagitis and Barrett’s esophagus.
3. Most people with GERD have normal amounts of stomach acid.
4. Low stomach acid induced by PPIs use, H. pylori or other causes while not a cause of acid reflux, may result in symptomatic non-acid reflux in some people as well as a host of other problems."
yrreb88
17 Mar 16#45
Yet another site selling diets and supplements. I can't take a Dr seriously who thinks leaky gut is a real disease.
81splaj
17 Mar 16#46
That's what I have too.
intranix
17 Mar 16#47
apple cider vinegar.
rvcshart
17 Mar 16#48
Tesco and Home Bargains do a cheap one toi, veen vuying it for ages.
si_lewis
17 Mar 16#49
1 tea spoon bicarbonate of soda in a little water, simple solution
winchman to si_lewis
17 Mar 16#51
I was about to say the same thing, makes you burb as it produces co2, does work and much cheaper. Certainly worth a go if you haven't used it before.
fishmaster
17 Mar 161#50
I don't take most of them seriously to be honest, in it for the money in the end and they get sponsored to give out drugs. It's all crooked. The main issue is finding out the real truth, that's the hardest part. The NHS is a massive shambles now due to government mismanagement. There's plenty of good people in the NHS trying but plenty of people that don't give a fck too.
Atomheart
17 Mar 16#52
Gaviscon 300ml is £3.13 at my local Tesco ,purchased 2 bottles this very day.
Firefly1
17 Mar 16#55
I do believe there is some very misleading or inaccurate information posted in this thread and would caution everybody to consult with their GP rather than simply changing the dose or worrying about their omeprazole.
I'll do some digging into some of the above claims and post back in a little while but some of it is clearly wrong.
-Medical Student
EDIT 1:
Not directly aimed at you but let us remember that the vast majority of patients will suffer from zero side effects from Omeprazole. This information can be verified on the Patient Information Sheet with the drug when dispensed from the pharmacy - or simply on the electronic version.
superskim
17 Mar 16#56
Ive been on omeprazole for 6 months. ! I get headaches. excessive saliva. grumbling stomach. dizziness. I'm only 34 male. had endoscopy blood tests ultrasound. but gp says keep taking them. finally getting an appointment to see gastrointestinal consultant.
Firefly1
17 Mar 16#57
Not directly aimed at you but let us remember that the vast majority of patients will suffer from zero side effects from Omeprazole. This information can be verified on the Patient Information Sheet with the drug when dispensed from the pharmacy - or simply on the electronic version.
1. We have evidence dating back from trials in 1990 showing that H. Pylori eradication is a form of treatment for duodenal ulcers. H. Pylori is not simply involved in the pathophysiology of GORD but also in peptic and duodenal ulcers. Therefore eradicating H. Pylori when it is identified is nevertheless important.
The Lancet Journal: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/014067369091301P
"Conclusions: Eradication of H. pylori infection markedly changes the natural history of peptic ulcer in patients with duodenal or gastric ulcer. Most peptic ulcers associated with H. pylori infection are curable"
Annals of Internal Medicine: http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=705472
2) People with lower stomach acid may well have less symptoms of GORD. That is exactly what omeprazole does - it lowers your stomach acid. Thereby reducing the symptoms of GORD. It's exactly how the drug works :wink: You are completely correct that people with "low" stomach acid should have a lower rate of Barret's oesophagus, because barret's oesophagus is (often) caused by acid in the oesophagus (GORD) - which can be caused by excessive stomach acid.
3) GORD is when stomach acid returns up the oesophagus giving you a 'burning'/'acidy' sensation in the throat (and possibly a few other symptoms). Regardless of your previous 'acid levels' it surely makes logical sense that if I were to lower your stomach acid levels, less acid would travel up your oesophagus, giving you less symptoms. Again, this is exactly what omeprazole does.
4) You are simply listing potential side effects of omeprazole. These can all be found in the Patient Information Leaflet. The 'Common' Side effects affect a maximum of 1 in 10 people. Considering most of these 10 people are going to be symptomatic in order to start the drug, it's a very effective drug for a lot of people.
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/18122
A factual list for you (Should be the same as in your tablet box). Also have a read of the potential side effects of paracetamol, aspirin and ibuprofen (or whatever else you have in your drug cupboard at home - all drugs have a very long list of potential, and I stress the word potential, side effects). If you are still concerned, chat to your GP about it :smiley:
fishmaster
17 Mar 16#58
Nope I'm not listing anything as in they're not my conclusions, those numbered conclusions are directly quoted from that article. I have made zero conclusions in this thread. I've just posted articles I know very little about GERD, apart from I suffer from it sometimes so I posted the links for discussion. I have no idea if those articles are correct or not, they simply refer to studies. Make your own mind up folks :smiley:
I doubt Cider Vinegar cures GERD. I also doubt that tackling GERD using medicine in the long term is a healthy option. I do believe that drug companies make billions selling drugs for complaints they don't want cured. I do believe that proton pump inhibitors are bad for your health longterm.
Firefly1
17 Mar 16#59
What I'm saying is your article that you quote is wrong or simply ignoring other facts - like the damage H. Pylori can do.
It's a bit like saying Sunlight is good for your Vitamin D levels. Therefore you should sit in the Sun all day. That would completely ignore the evidence regarding skin cancer risks.
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To look at your article more closely:
"Garrido Serrano A, Lepe Jiménez JA, Guerrero Igea FJ, and Perianes Hernández C. Helicobacter pylori and gastroesophageal reflux disease. REV ESP ENFERM DIG (Madrid). 2003. Vol. 95. N.° 11, pp. 788-790."
I've never heard of that journal before. Obscure journals are much easier to publish in and are less quality-controlled (peer reviewed).
"[7] Corley DA, Kubo A, Levin TR, Block G, Habel L, Rumore G, Quesenberry C, Buffler P, Parsonnet J. Helicobacter pylori and gastroesophageal reflux disease: a case-control study. Helicobacter. 2008 Oct;13(5):352-60."
A case-control study is very weak evidence.
[9] Chung SJ, Lim SH, Choi J, Kim D, Kim YS, et.al. Helicobacter pylori Serology Inversely Correlated With the Risk and Severity of Reflux Esophagitis in Helicobacter pylori Endemic Area: A Matched Case-Control Study of 5,616 Health Check-Up Koreans. J Neurogastroenterol Motil. 2011;17(3):267.
Another case control study.
Article 12 is also a case control study after reading the journal article.
EnaSharplesHairnet
17 Mar 16#60
My consultant told me there are no long term studies into the effects of taking PPIs so I'm not sure how links can be made to degenerative illnesses. I have never had side effects. The thought of having that camera down my throat again without sedative is all the motivation I need to keep taking Omeprazole.
fishmaster
17 Mar 16#61
I don't want you to stop taking medication. I just want you to think about it, well actually it makes no difference what I want or don't want. Anyway this has stirred a debate. I would be interested in any articles whereby they are cast iron and without flaws.
I think what I'm getting at is pop a pill fix a problem without thinking about it. Popping a pill to fix a problem is not always what it seems.
I have GERD and I have put on weight in my abdomen area, GERD was never a problem until I put on weight. There's multiple causes for many things. Ah I'm bored with this and I'm sure you all are of me, I certainly am.
fishmaster
17 Mar 16#62
It's not my article, I'm not the author of it.
Firefly1
17 Mar 162#63
To just show how weak the author of that website is:
"H. pylori infection is inversely associated (protective) with GERD and GERD symptoms.[7]"
Only a few bullet points later he quotes
H. pylori infection was inversely associated (protective) with Barrett’s esophagus and GERD symptoms were not associated with H. pylori infection.
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He then tells his readers the following Conclusion: H. pylori infection is less common in patients with GERD, esophagitis and Barrett’s esophagus. H. pylori infection is associated with less severe GERD symptoms and may have a protective role in GERD
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He's posting evidence that contradicts himself and then goes on to make potentially incorrect conclusions based upon conflicting evidence.
I know you are not the author but you are quoting him presumably as you think it's a good source of information :disappointed:
Anyway enough side tracking - good deal & HOT :smile:
Gollywood
17 Mar 16#64
Almost identical...but not close enough. Tastes vile IMO. Plus I'm no fan of Teva
Daddyd1976
18 Mar 16#65
Been having stomach pains for nearly years. Unbearable pains. Tried everything raw garlic raw Manila honey apple cider vinegar the list does not end. Only 2 months I was told I have gallstones and I will have to have my gallbladder removed on Tuesday. Hopefully the end is nigh.
yrreb88 to Daddyd1976
18 Mar 16#68
Sorry to hear that. That must have been so frustrating when nothing you tried or were given worked. Hopefully the surgery will resolve everything and you can finally get back to normal. :smiley:
Daddyd1976
18 Mar 16#66
3 years
yrreb88
18 Mar 161#67
It's somewhat irresponsible to post random links like that in my opinion. Asking the general public to make up their own mind on somewhat complicated issues using sources that aren't always easy to tell if they're reliable isn't an ideal situation either. You can quote and give out as much information as you like but the typically the general public will struggle to accurately critically analyse what they read which is probably why poor websites like natural news and mercola still see lots of traffic. I'm not saying I'm against questioning things and promoting discussion, it'd be great if everybody showed some scepticism with things they are told, read etc. As I mentioned before one site you linked to contains harmful advice and personally I wouldn't want to highlight information that could potentially be misleading or simply wrong. Of course on the other hand, we are responsible for ourselves and I wouldn't expect a disclaimer with every link people post. :smile:
I think it's slightly misleading to infer PPIs are bad because they are linked to dementia when it is simply an association or a correlation at the moment. More research would be required to say PPIs cause or increase the risk of dementia.
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Peptac is almost identical, works just as well, treats exactly the same symptoms - but it's less than half the price because it's a generic equivalent.
Peppermint or aniseed flavoured - just like Gaviscon.
Save yourself some money. Buy it anywhere you like, though a lot of stores choose not to sell it because they make much more money on Gaviscon. Usually £3 or maybe a bit less from your local chemist
Boots sell exactly the same thing, made by the same manufacturer that makes Peptac, at higher prices under their own label. The Boots one is £6.29 - for exactly the same thing. More than twice the price. They have the barefaced cheek to avoid UK taxes and still rip off their customers with ridiculously high prices, even for a generic like this.
Online and in the north Weldricks Pharmacy has a good name - buy it with free delivery click and collect, or £3.19 to have it delivered (free delivery if you spend £35 or more).
Peptac liquid contains three active ingredients, sodium alginate, sodium bicarbonate and calcium carbonate. These three ingredients work together to relieve the symptoms of gastro-oesophageal reflux, such as heartburn. Gastro-oesophageal reflux is stomach acid flowing from the stomach back into the food pipe (oesophagus).
Various conditions can cause reflux as a result of the pressure they exert on the stomach, for example, pregnancy and hiatus hernia. It can also occur following meals. Reflux can cause symptoms such as indigestion, acid regurgitation, or the painful burning sensation of heartburn. Over long periods of time the acid can also damage and inflame the lining of the foodpipe. This condition is known as reflux oesophagitis.
The active ingredients of Peptac are not absorbed into the bloodstream. Instead they work by forming a "raft" that floats on the surface of the stomach contents, physically preventing the acid from flowing back into the foodpipe.
Sodium alginate is a naturally occuring substance that is found in a particular type of seaweed. In the presence of the calcium carbonate it reacts with the acid in the stomach to form a gel. Sodium bicarbonate also reacts with the acid in the stomach to form bubbles of carbon dioxide. These bubbles are trapped by the gel and they allow the gel to float like a raft on top of the stomach contents. The raft prevents acid in the stomach from flowing back into the food pipe. This relieves the symptoms of reflux such as heartburn. In the case of reflux oesophagitis it not only relieves the symptoms, but also protects the inflamed foodpipe from the acid and allows it to heal. The raft lasts for about three to four hours on top of the stomach contents and is then broken down in the digestive system and excreted in the faeces.
What is it used for? Relieving the symptoms of gastro-oesophageal reflux, such as heartburn, indigestion and acid regurgitation.
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Love Boots - they really have perfected the art of ripping people off to boost the dividends they pay to their shareholders. At least Amazon give customers low prices when they avoid UK taxes. Boots is an aggressive UK tax avoider - AND it rips off its customers with ridiculously high prices. :smile:
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You can get it from Weldricks for £2.99 (free click and collect) or you can spend £35 (12 bottles of Peptac will do it) and get free delivery to your home.
You may even find it cheaper in your local pharmacy - though Boots and a lot of stores choose not to sell it simply because they make far more out of you by selling you the much more expensive Gaviscon. :wink:
http://www.mhra.gov.uk/spc-pil/?prodName=PEPTAC%20LIQUID&subsName=CALCIUM%20CARBONATE&pageID=SecondLevel
Sodium Alginate is what you need for LPR and Non Acid Reflux which is what I have and what many people may have alongside regular acid reflux
http://fauquierent.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/sodium-alginate-to-treat-non-acid-reflux.html
Find an antacid that has Sodium Alginate in it would be my strong advice. And Peptac and Gaviscon Advance has it.
Both this and gaviscon work equally as little!
Love Boots - they really have perfected the art of ripping people off to boost the dividends they pay to their shareholders. At least Amazon give customers low prices when they avoid UK taxes. Boots is an aggressive UK tax avoider - AND it rips off its customers with ridiculously high prices. :smile:
Maybe for him :stuck_out_tongue:
see http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-2571334/NHS-settles-Reckitt-Benckiser-90million-Gaviscon-overcharging-case.html
I haven't.
Only just heard about the Alzheimers link in this thread:|, worried what to do know, I can't stand having reflux as it wears you down with the coughing and throat clearing :disappointed:
Would be so pleased to give up the drugs and go for cider vinegar IF it works. Oh and I take steroids which can cause reflux.
https://chriskresser.com/what-everybody-ought-to-know-but-doesnt-about-heartburn-gerd/
Part II
http://chriskresser.com/the-hidden-causes-of-heartburn-and-gerd/
Part III
http://chriskresser.com/more-evidence-to-support-the-theory-that-gerd-is-caused-by-bacterial-overgrowth/
Part A
http://chriskresser.com/how-your-antacid-drug-is-making-you-sick-part-a/
Part B
http://chriskresser.com/how-your-antacid-drug-is-making-you-sick-part-b/
"As we have seen in the previous articles in the series, heartburn and GERD are caused by too little – and not too much – stomach acid. Unfortunately, insufficient stomach acid is also associated with bacterial overgrowth, impaired nutrient absorption, decreased resistance to infection, and increased risk of stomach cancer, ulcers, IBS and other digestive disorders, depression and mood disorders, autoimmune disease, and asthma.
Chronic use of acid stopping medication dramatically reduces stomach acid, thus increasing the risk of all of these conditions. What’s more, acid suppressing medications not only do not address the underlying cause of heartburn and GERD, they make it worse."
References were supplied in the above articles.
"How to cure coeliac disease using holistic naturopathic techniques" "The ideal diet for curing celiac disease... Meat, vegetables, whole wheat carbohydrates, and non-homogenized milk products are fine".
"How to cure autism".
"The dangers of tap water" - partly blames the nazis. :confused:
http://chriskresser.com/about/
"Associations have been shown between PPI use and an increased risk of pneumonia, particularly in the 30 days after starting therapy, where it was found to be 50% higher in community use.[32][33] A primary research study using pharmacoepidemiological claims data analysis has reported an association between PPI use and the risk of developing dementia in people over the age of 75 (1.4x hazard ratio)[34] but this has not been examined in prospective studies. Inappropriate prescribing of PPIs in the elderly, including those with dementia, has been reported.[35]"
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton-pump_inhibitor
I'm just giving the information out if you choose to believe it or not that's up to you, as long as you actual think about what you're being told. Most of us believe the cause is too much stomach acid, I'm just giving the alternate view and evidence for that view.
Remember that on the internet, anyone can present themselves as in expert in anything. And it does appear Chris Kresser is an acknowledged expert at extracting money from desperate people.
Try it once, only risking a few quid, I'm pretty sure if Gaviscon works for you, this will too.
Also check >
http://digestivehealthinstitute.org/2014/07/10/h-pylori-low-stomach-acid-gerd/
That's a completely different view again backed up by studies.
"Summing it up:
1. H. pylori infection is NOT linked to GERD and some strains of H. pylori may be protective for GERD.
2. People with low stomach acid have fewer GERD symptoms and are less likely to have esophagitis and Barrett’s esophagus.
3. Most people with GERD have normal amounts of stomach acid.
4. Low stomach acid induced by PPIs use, H. pylori or other causes while not a cause of acid reflux, may result in symptomatic non-acid reflux in some people as well as a host of other problems."
I'll do some digging into some of the above claims and post back in a little while but some of it is clearly wrong.
-Medical Student
EDIT 1:
Not directly aimed at you but let us remember that the vast majority of patients will suffer from zero side effects from Omeprazole. This information can be verified on the Patient Information Sheet with the drug when dispensed from the pharmacy - or simply on the electronic version.
1. We have evidence dating back from trials in 1990 showing that H. Pylori eradication is a form of treatment for duodenal ulcers. H. Pylori is not simply involved in the pathophysiology of GORD but also in peptic and duodenal ulcers. Therefore eradicating H. Pylori when it is identified is nevertheless important.
The Lancet Journal: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/014067369091301P
"Conclusions: Eradication of H. pylori infection markedly changes the natural history of peptic ulcer in patients with duodenal or gastric ulcer. Most peptic ulcers associated with H. pylori infection are curable"
Annals of Internal Medicine: http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=705472
2) People with lower stomach acid may well have less symptoms of GORD. That is exactly what omeprazole does - it lowers your stomach acid. Thereby reducing the symptoms of GORD. It's exactly how the drug works :wink: You are completely correct that people with "low" stomach acid should have a lower rate of Barret's oesophagus, because barret's oesophagus is (often) caused by acid in the oesophagus (GORD) - which can be caused by excessive stomach acid.
3) GORD is when stomach acid returns up the oesophagus giving you a 'burning'/'acidy' sensation in the throat (and possibly a few other symptoms). Regardless of your previous 'acid levels' it surely makes logical sense that if I were to lower your stomach acid levels, less acid would travel up your oesophagus, giving you less symptoms. Again, this is exactly what omeprazole does.
4) You are simply listing potential side effects of omeprazole. These can all be found in the Patient Information Leaflet. The 'Common' Side effects affect a maximum of 1 in 10 people. Considering most of these 10 people are going to be symptomatic in order to start the drug, it's a very effective drug for a lot of people.
https://www.medicines.org.uk/emc/medicine/18122
A factual list for you (Should be the same as in your tablet box). Also have a read of the potential side effects of paracetamol, aspirin and ibuprofen (or whatever else you have in your drug cupboard at home - all drugs have a very long list of potential, and I stress the word potential, side effects). If you are still concerned, chat to your GP about it :smiley:
I doubt Cider Vinegar cures GERD. I also doubt that tackling GERD using medicine in the long term is a healthy option. I do believe that drug companies make billions selling drugs for complaints they don't want cured. I do believe that proton pump inhibitors are bad for your health longterm.
It's a bit like saying Sunlight is good for your Vitamin D levels. Therefore you should sit in the Sun all day. That would completely ignore the evidence regarding skin cancer risks.
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To look at your article more closely:
"Garrido Serrano A, Lepe Jiménez JA, Guerrero Igea FJ, and Perianes Hernández C. Helicobacter pylori and gastroesophageal reflux disease. REV ESP ENFERM DIG (Madrid). 2003. Vol. 95. N.° 11, pp. 788-790."
I've never heard of that journal before. Obscure journals are much easier to publish in and are less quality-controlled (peer reviewed).
"[7] Corley DA, Kubo A, Levin TR, Block G, Habel L, Rumore G, Quesenberry C, Buffler P, Parsonnet J. Helicobacter pylori and gastroesophageal reflux disease: a case-control study. Helicobacter. 2008 Oct;13(5):352-60."
A case-control study is very weak evidence.
[9] Chung SJ, Lim SH, Choi J, Kim D, Kim YS, et.al. Helicobacter pylori Serology Inversely Correlated With the Risk and Severity of Reflux Esophagitis in Helicobacter pylori Endemic Area: A Matched Case-Control Study of 5,616 Health Check-Up Koreans. J Neurogastroenterol Motil. 2011;17(3):267.
Another case control study.
Article 12 is also a case control study after reading the journal article.
I don't want you to stop taking medication. I just want you to think about it, well actually it makes no difference what I want or don't want. Anyway this has stirred a debate. I would be interested in any articles whereby they are cast iron and without flaws.
I think what I'm getting at is pop a pill fix a problem without thinking about it. Popping a pill to fix a problem is not always what it seems.
I have GERD and I have put on weight in my abdomen area, GERD was never a problem until I put on weight. There's multiple causes for many things. Ah I'm bored with this and I'm sure you all are of me, I certainly am.
"H. pylori infection is inversely associated (protective) with GERD and GERD symptoms.[7]"
Only a few bullet points later he quotes
H. pylori infection was inversely associated (protective) with Barrett’s esophagus and GERD symptoms were not associated with H. pylori infection.
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He then tells his readers the following Conclusion: H. pylori infection is less common in patients with GERD, esophagitis and Barrett’s esophagus. H. pylori infection is associated with less severe GERD symptoms and may have a protective role in GERD
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He's posting evidence that contradicts himself and then goes on to make potentially incorrect conclusions based upon conflicting evidence.
I know you are not the author but you are quoting him presumably as you think it's a good source of information :disappointed:
Anyway enough side tracking - good deal & HOT :smile:
I think it's slightly misleading to infer PPIs are bad because they are linked to dementia when it is simply an association or a correlation at the moment. More research would be required to say PPIs cause or increase the risk of dementia.
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2016/02February/Pages/Link-between-indigestion-drugs-and-dementia-inconclusive.aspx
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/another-gaviscon-near-identical-cheapy-essential-waitrose-heartburn-indigestion-2416913