Shem is not right. When you launch a car the weight transfers to the rear of the car, and the front becomes light. This is why fwd drives cars wheelspin easily on a hard launch. Why do you think top fuel dragsters are rwd as opposed to fwd? If you are going to correct someone at least be correct.

That makes absolutely no sense. A 'launch' requires acceleration which means as soon as the wheels start turninng weight transfers rearward, meaning from this moment traction on the front wheels is decreasing, and traction on the rear wheels is increasing. The laws of phyics do not pause for '5 yards or so'.

If you are going to correct someone who is going to correct someone who is correcting someone who is correcting someone at least be correct.

​Front wheel drive guarantees better traction on launch? That's the exact opposite of what it does in comparison to rear wheel drive. There's a reason most performance cars are either RWD or 4WD.

You should try that Google search thing on the internet, I hear it is very good for finding things like Audi dealers close to where you live.

£324 per month with 3 months up front for 2 years

Front wheel drive is actually much more stable on slippery surfaces and guarantees better traction on launch. Rear wheel drive is more for drifting enthusiasts... which let's be honest not too many out there are :-P

It's just a 2 litre diesel saloon, not some top speed dragster. Fwd is fine

Nope, the deposit is the upfront cost. You do not get this back.

Okay before I get shot down for asking a dumb question here........I'm going to ask one, so appologies in advance. Here we go........I'm 100% interested in getting a car on lease and have been looking at the rare deals that do come on here but the question I would like an answer to is about the deposit that are required on all of these deals, as far as I'm aware a deposit is a deposit, right? So normally with a deposit you get it back at the end of whatever deal you take out i.e a deposit for renting a property for example, so do you get the deposit back when the lease term is up? Is it for any damage to the vehicle during the ownership of the car and then they take monet from that once it is returned? Is it a 'holding' deposit to secure a particular model?

Thoughts on the below 4 series deal, seems a good price?

https://www.gateway2lease.com/cars/bmw/4-series/4-series-coupe-420i-2.0-m-sport.php?id=2199317

I've just signed up for the the Audi A6 Avant S-Line S Tronic from Gateway2Lease on a 24 month deal.

A partial correction of the corrector being corrected :smiley:

To be honest my brother explained it in more scientific terms (force transfer, resistance etc..) but something was lost in translation to me, a far more humble (read thick and or normal) person.

Mercedes E Class is better than a Skoda, I mean Audi A6.

Why do Audi make hideously designed cars?

​You and your brother are correct but only in part and perhaps not understanding the relationship between speed, acceleration and weight transfer.

In snow conditions you won't be accelerating hard but more of a gentle start therefore your rate of increase in speed (acceleration) is very low hence little weight transfer... here you benefit from weight of engine over the front driving wheels.

Under normal or hard acceleration the weight transfer is instant. Laws of physics doesn't wait for speed to build up (speed is irrelevant). The moment you start moving weight is transferred (relative to rate of acceleration).

Hang a furry dice from the rear view mirror and watch it's angle against the vertical at different start/launch methods (very gentle to fastest launch).

2 litre tractor engine in fancy clothes. Boredom on wheels.

I'm not Ling ... I think she said on Dragons Den that she speaks "Chinglish" ... I don't :innocent:

I am also aware that she gives £50 Armed Forces Discount to entitled personnel - it wouldn't be a deal maker if the overall costs did not make sense, but it is a nice gesture.

I'm interested in leasing a car as my (soon-to-be 12 year old) car is starting to cost me money in repair bills!

Stable vehicle contracts offer similar deals but charge admin fee

4WD FTW!

I've no interest in the deal whatsoever, but I'm loving the correctors correcting the correctors of previously incorrect posts! I hope I'm correct on that! :stuck_out_tongue:

21 miles per day? Cold

looking for a nice car on a lease but need 15k mileage

Try carwow. I got a cracking price for my current car

Sure Porsche Ferrari Lamborghini produce a better car , I own a boxster3:2s..But your now comparing 100k+ cars against 25k ones.
With not that much performance difference considering huge price difference.

From standing is the key point. At standing a FWD car has the full weight of the engine is above the wheels, pressing down providing traction.

As the car accelerates, as you correctly point out, weight is transferred toward the back of the vehicle and traction decreases. But for a short period (launch) until sufficient speed is built up the traction provided from the weight of the engine outweighs the weight transferred backward.

This effect is why FWD cars can often move from standing in shallow snow where RWD cannot in identical conditions.

Lots of correct correct correct etc.. .:smiley:

Source : My brother is Dyson Design engineer and general know-it-all monstrosity (he is helping)

Mine was a in stock car, came with metalic paint and heated seated (additional options) we also asked for sunscreen windows and maintenance, paying about £290. White in colour. No camera, but sensors.

Beat me to it - thanks!

Best tell those f1 teams too that they need to switch to fwd then, I'm sure they'll get off the starting grid a bit quicker!

I've leased a car through Gateway 2 Lease and through Lings Cars. Gateway 2 Lease didn't give me any issues during the hire. Their communication isn't ideal though - if you do something that isn't standard then you being to notice. For example I extended the lease for a month and they didn't collect the direct debit as this isn't their process, but they didn't tell me. So meant they wrote to me talking about charges etc. They didn't apply them as I phoned straight away and explained, but just not ideal. Other than that no issues.

Ling's is a bit more expensive, but the communication is excellent. I was far clearer on when the car would arrive etc and just generally a bit more engaging in the run up to delivery. Still with them and haven't got to the end of the deal, but they have recently got in touch to remind me the car might be due it's 1st service.

In my experience I wouldn't put you off either company. Will happily go to either for my next car.

K

Its launched.

If you are going to correct someone who correct someone who is going to correct someone who is correcting someone who is correcting someone at least be correc

You don't like being wrong do you! FWD was invented to save weight/fuel and increase cabin space, RWD is the preferred choice for motorsport. Wheels that have to steer and put down power will lose traction quicker than wheels that perform the tasks separately. If you want to believe Renault produce a better racing car than Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini then that's your prerogative, you'd be wrong though.

Leasing is for mugs you could get a used car for the same money.

(ducks)

​She isn't right and neither are you. You sound like you have a bit of knowledge by throwing some oversteer terms in there but you're confusing you self as well as everyone else. Yes the engine sits over the front axle on a front engined car and so there is more mass on the front wheels. This advantage is negated when you launch a car or under hard acceleration. I have an assignment somewhere with the formulas showing how little Force a FWD car can transmit to the tarmac on hard acceleration.

As soon as the clutch is lifted the weight transfers to the rear of the car and the weight lifts off of the front axle. The effect means the rear axle now has a far higher clamping force than the front. As FWD cars have to cater for drive and steering the tyres are alot thinner than the driven wheels on a RWD car. So you now have more surface area and more force and more power can be put down without losing traction.

If the weight of the engine had such a huge effect on traction without acceleration and deceleration then why don't rear engined Porches have huge brakes at the rear and little brakes at the front for heavy braking? The same weight transfer happens with acceleration as with deceleration.

As I mentioned on an earlier reply there is a reason why performance cars are RWD and not FWD (performance cars not hot hatches) that is because there is a limit to how much power can actually be put down by the front wheels. You could throw 500Bhp through the front wheels all they would do is spin all day and you wouldn't accelerate from a standing start any faster than a 300Bhp FWD car.

I'm sure you won't listen anyway and you'll still think you're right so why don't you write to Ducatti and tell them to make all of their superiors FWD. You may as well let BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Lexus etc know that they need to change all their performance cars to FWD so that they can launch better.

You're talking about derivatives of cars used for shopping at Tesco, the standard car is FWD so it's hard to make them any other way.

I got this delivered yesterday. I went for the 10k mileage.

can someone explain if you lease 8k per year, but you have done 20 k
20k - 8k = 12 k extra miles how they charge for these miles ?
someone write they charge say 6p per miles OK so 12000 x 0.06 p = £720 / 12 = £60 pounds per month look to good These 60 Pounds for extra 12 K miles hmmm

BUT when you want to lease say not 8 k but 10 k per year somehow it is becoming £100 more expensive WHY ?

Are they charge for car depreciation for high millage ?

You can lease car say 8k per year but tax do 100 k per year so they will be leasing car not buy as it is more cheaper
Do not understand over mileage policy

Quite a difference ? The cars I mentioned have well over 200 bhp in fact 305 in focus case.megane has out performed your so called rear drive performance car ala Astons
around the ring.You will get wheel spin just as bad in a rear wheel drive .Any car over 200 bhp and speeds of 150 is a performance car ...just ask your insurance.

Wow...best part of £8,000 to walk away empty handed in 2 years time.

Actually yours is the silly statement ​as you've already been told I said performance cars not hot hatches. The reason hot hatches are FWD is because they are based on their modest less powerful everyday hatchback and the R&D costs to change it to RWD would be too great. So if they can create a 250+ BHP hot hatch while just about being able to get the power down. As soon as hatches or any car have over 300 BHP or actually (300 lb/ft torque) they need 4wd to get the power down. For example Golf R, new Focus RS, A45 AMG, S3, RS3 etc etc with the exception of the new type R they are all 300+ BHP and 4wd. Can you list how many FWD cars can do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds if they are so good at launching? You'll find plenty or RWD and 4WD cars that can. The performance cars that are based on RWD cars, BMW M2, M3, M4, C63 AMG, Lexus ISF, Jaguar XFR etc and they all do 0-60 in less than 5 seconds or nearly 4 seconds.

That makes absolutely no sense. A 'launch' requires acceleration which means as soon as the wheels start turninng weight transfers rearward, meaning from this moment traction on the front wheels is decreasing, and traction on the rear wheels is increasing. The laws of phyics do not pause for '5 yards or so'.

If you are going to correct someone who is going to correct someone who is correcting someone who is correcting someone at least be correct.

I am not going to hand over any more than a fiver to a company whose website looks like that,

that website should come with an epilepsy warning. talk about OTT

The front becomes lighter under acceleration, but we are talking about launch. Thats moving off from a standing start. When the car is not moving the end with the engine is heavier. You may have a point after 5 yards but then you are moving and we are not talking about that. We are talking about getting moving or "launching"

Where do you think the engine is on a dragster? Err... over the rear wheels. With the exception of Porsche most RWD cars have the engine at the front and little weight on the rear.

It should be noted that higher performance cars tend to be RWD due to issues that arise when the front wheels are trying to do both traction and steering, which results in torque steer as someone else pointed out. After around 220-250bhp it all becomes to much for the front wheels to do everything. Recent improvments in diffs have helped but are not perfect.

If you are going to correct someone who is correcting someone who is correcting someone at least be correct.

Love the A7 description... I actually love the look of that car!

Rear wheel drive is a much nicer driving experience. A bit hairy in the snow mind

Shem is not right. When you launch a car the weight transfers to the rear of the car, and the front becomes light. This is why fwd drives cars wheelspin easily on a hard launch. Why do you think top fuel dragsters are rwd as opposed to fwd? If you are going to correct someone at least be correct.

He said performance cars, not hot hatches, there is quite a difference!
Generally fwd is better in the snow and ice, presume that it is due to the weight of the engine over the front wheels and the fact that the front wheels steer too.
Rear wheel drive is best for when you want to put a lot of power down, you won't find a lot of 200bhp + cars being front wheel drive. Torque steer becomes a big problem in high power front drive cars, as well as general traction/wheelspin

I had no problems at all with my Focus ST3 lease with gateway2lease. Good email communication and followup emails to make sure everything was ok. Due to hand my ST3 back in September hopefully that goes problem-free as this is my first lease car.

Is that you Ling?

That website just gives me a headache! Plus the deals aren't great on Ling Cars.

Anyway this is very good deal for the Audi A6, good spec plus its the S ironic. Soooo tempting! Heat added!

Oh dear what a silly statement considering most not all hot hatches are front drive.rs focus last model not new one .megane rs .type r .cupra .gti etc.

Lol half of their deals don't even exist. Enquired about this car and they gave me a monthly payment of around £370 with a high deposit

Hmmm, 8k to look like a mancunian drug dealer.

Best avoided.

You should try that Google search thing on the internet, I hear it is very good for finding things like Audi dealers close to where you live.

Front wheel is better but id buy a BMW 4 before this, not sure if the A6 is a new model or not, or still the old model like A5

Shem is right. The weight of the engine over the wheels presses the tyres into the tarmac which results in better traction. Performance cars are typically rear wheel drive because they oversteer at speed, this is easy to correct and results in little loss of speeed. Front wheel drives understeer, this requires the driver to lift of the throttle to correct (slower).

AWD are quicker in slippery conditions as they moderate power according to individual wheel traction. They are the best solution but are nearly always heavier, so require a very good engine. For example in a GT-R

The lesson - if you are going to correct someone at least be correct!

The deal will be 6 payments upfront so £1524 then 23monthly payments of £254 with £180 fee

Total £7546

With gateway 2 lease there is a strong chance the deal doesn't actually exist.

I got an A4 deal from gateway2lease in January. Customer service was good, they went through all the features of the car with me on delivery, can't fault them.

I want this. But doing 40k a year isn't going to work on lease. So what can I do?

I want this. But doing 40k a year isn't going to work on lease. So what can I do?

i have the a6 and is a very good car. not lease but really happy with it

Id have a look on the audi.co.uk website and get your local dealers and google them to see who owns them, you probably have a better chance of getting a match if your area has dealers owned by different companies - for example every Audi dealer in my area is owned by Lookers so they can charge what they like knowing most people wont bother to shop around - lookers in Glasgow laughed when I asked them to match the A4 deal but York Audi owned by JCT600 matched it in minutes, will cost me £25 or so to get to York from here to pick it up which is no problem.

You could also just email every dealer near you, their own websites linked from audi.co.uk, but if you do dont mention the arrangment fee from the broker, just cover the rental and up front payment and you will hopefully save the arrangement fee

The price looks pretty good actually for that particular model against other leasing co's

But if your serious id email the deal to some audi deals across the country and you could get them to match the deal and not charge you the admin fee, thats what a lot of people did with the recent A4 deals, saves you worrying about dealing with a broker

Not sure where your based but try York Audi as they matched the A4 deal for me without too much trouble, others mentioned Hull Audi and Oxford Audi

Have you looked at deals on this site?

http://www.lingscars.com/

It is certainly interesting - I thought it was a spoof website at first, but it isn't .... !!
The owner was on "Dragons Den" a few years ago and turned down the offers for a share in her company!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc1ktZRZ5ZM