Putting them up for adoption is cheaper than this.

He makes a very valid point though, the 4s is really old tech...and for the price it's not a great spec phone anymore.

Here we go.....

For just a few quid more you could have got yourself a real phone like the 5.5 inch 1080p octa-core Xiaomi Note 2 (currently £90ish).

nice deal for a nice phone - had one of these myself. i couldn't do with only 16gb though, but definitely worth the price.

For just a few quid more you could have got yourself a real phone like the 5.5 inch 1080p octa-core Xiaomi Note 2 (currently £90ish).

Good to stick in a corner running Manything security camera app

He makes a very valid point though, the 4s is really old tech...and for the price it's not a great spec phone anymore.

But, let's say, your teenage kid really wants an iPhone, and nothing else will do; And you don't want to spend a fortune this is bang on!

As long as the picture of an Apple on the back is intact though, eh?

It wasn’t a great spec phone when I was released but apple aren’t ever about hi end specs. Its more about optimisation for there hardware and a huge list of apps (I’m one of the 3 people who have a window’s phone so I’m not saying android or apple are better than each other but I think it’s a more nuanced and personal that just comparing spec)

Voted HOT btw :smiley:

iPhone and Android specs don't really work the same. iOS is optimised for the hardware, even droid phones that spec out the iPhone aren't as smooth.

As the poster says its a stop gap, so why not try something different. Its second hand and ancient. For similar prices you can get something new that is miles better. I don't think even the most ardent apple lover would disagree.

Putting them up for adoption is cheaper than this.

If your teenage kid wants an iPhone and nothing else, and you buy them a second hand 4 year old version. That's probably worse.

Good point, this is just a fashion accessory, but the Apple badge will be as important as the Nike one for teenagers (although not important at all for grumpy old men like me).

Yawn... more Apple is best (for no apparent reason but the badge) stuff...

Ok I'll bite, I've got both Apple and Android devices, bottom line is imo, Android is pretty much as good as Apple but just doesn't have that quality, slick feel that Apple has, having said that there's no way I would pay twice the price for similar spec.
Don't think I'd buy Apple again unless there was a cracking deal.

Cold - not an iPhone!

Nice find thanks!

Surely the main issue will be the battery, no? Will it hold the charge etc?

I don't know how the prices compare, but I believe The Range do refurb iPhones (and others), which may be worth checking out- if warrantied, may be easier dealing with a physical store?

easy answer... continuing your life as normal. sign onto the new phone with icloud log-in and BOOM, all your contacts, emails, messages, apps and app content are synced to the stop gap phone allowing you to continue as normal. Sure a chinese phone might be better/bigger/newer but for some the hassle of transferring stuff over, finding there might not be the same apps or same quality of apps you use daily, adapting to a new interface and forced to use different apps etc. its just not worth the hassle - to some I might add.

Amazing how well these things hold their value tho, regardless of personal opinion of Apple. Kinda speaks for itself. Only thing is I'd be wary of battery life. May be adding another £30 for battery replacement at a local repair store, or £50 if you have to go to an Apple Store.

Either way great price, hot, thanks

I wonder what iOS firmware it runs - could be handy for a jailbreak.

​They are not Droid phones. Droids are specific to the Verizon network in the US. They choose a handful of phones and get them reworked in to "Droids"
Some Androids are smother than the iPhone.

Heat added though. If that is what you are after the price is good. Not getting in to a **** contest over apple v android.

It amazes me how people seem to know exactly what your decisions for owning an iPhone are - I didn't realise so many people could read minds.

For me personally, I'm an iPhone 4s owner - have been for a long time - and probably won't be changing for a long time. In my opinion its the best phone ever made, I've tried changing to the large new Android phones, and even newer Apple products, but I always go back to the 4s. The screens the perfect size in my opinion, it's smooth, it's well made, it doesn't break when dropped, it feels good to hold - especially the weight, and I've never had any problems with it.

I change between Apple and Android intemittently and the iPhone is the easier and more stable platform while the Android has more that can be done with it (sometimes to the detriment of stability).

I had the iPhone 4 when it came out and it was pretty revolutionary it its day and compared favourably with everything else that was out there. Right now though, its a completely different ballgame. I have an old one in my drawer and it runs like a pig with the latest OS on it and pretty useless. So I am guessing these wont be all that much better. I am sure part of the reason Apple update the IOS is to make some of the old hardware obsolete.

I think the point is it's running IOS, if you have bought apps on IOS or just prefer IOS and don't want to pay much this is a deal.

I'd prefer this over some cheap Chinese andriod drone.

Yes, you can spend more and get better but the Chinese dross I've used recommend from here doesn't last anywhere near as long as you'd want.

TBH this surf's, takes emails and will do Facebook.

Most people are sorted with this, its HDUK uber nerds that need a phone that will do everything you need under the sun, plus more.

Still got a 4S myself and love it. Ok, the battery life is not great but i prefer a small screen.

Then maybe they should get themselves a paper round so that they can afford to pay for the extremely expensive contract to get hold of a newer model, and quit expecting life's luxuries handed to them :smiley:

You offer the kid the choice: have this 'cheap' phone which works well, or work and save to buy a stupidly expensive one to impress your mates. Soon develops a sense of value in the spoiled brat!

nice deal for what is still a good handset

Needed to replace a 4S for a family member that stuggles a little with Android and is a very occasional phone user, so went with this for an extra ~£8:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301822639445?redirect=mobile
Seems a much better like-for-like option IMHO, as it includes a 12-month warranty (as opposed to 3-month) and handset condition is marked as excellent as opposed to just average.

I think the title should definitely mention that these are Used (as per the main listing, which calls them that rather than refurbished). This may be getting heat from casual voters who don't check the description, which is misleading.

nice

Recently picked up a 4s for my grandad elsewhere and had to return it. They can't handle the latest software and the battery drops terribly (tested on two phones).

Is the 4S even still supported by Apple?

That's where it belongs!

Can get pretty good replacement battery kits for the 4s from Amazon, quite easy to put in

I`m an Apple enemy, hate the money-grabbing sons of guns, but, you can buy a Samsung Galaxy S2 on Ebay for £70, and that came out in 1845 :smirk:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S2-II-GT-I9100-16-GB-Ceramic-White-Unlocked-Smartphone-/400750236037?hash=item5d4e935185:g:Y6wAAOSwGzlTxOBx

I wish the poor people would just stick to their androids and stop inputting Apple threads with rubbish.

My daughter is 13 and she would be most grateful, but that is the way I brought her up :wink:

I'm still using a 4S and can confirm it struggles mightily with the latest IOS. Slow and **** battery life.

lol Android lovers, I have both and you can't compare, wife using an iPhone I have a Galaxy both have plus's & minuses but I'd never call them close or even the same. Certainly not the ipad's! I suppose some of the apps are the same but the rest is different , workflow, setup OS..no way my wife will go through all the tinkering I have done to get the galaxy working as I want it. She updates, downloads, plugs in, simple , just not that simple for android and don't even get me started on updates what a ball ache..I certainly would buy both again but for different reasons, build quality and simplicity is Apple & customer support is amazing I get nothing from samsung! And I don't see how people say they are twice the price, have you seen how much the S7 is! best stay a year behind and grab a bargain second hand. As for lynx tablets you have to be kidding me, we have some at work, cheap budget tablet that scratches easily, nobody likes em. But each to their own.
Getting to the actual post 64 might be cheap for an iPhone 4s but on IOS9 is woefully slow, I wouldn't bother, pay a bit more & try get a good second hand iPhone 5 , plenty of em on Ebay.

​Wise up

I only had a 4 then skipped to an Android, now back to an iPhone 6+.

All these Fanbois make me laugh with their Brand Loyalty. I just get from whoever has the best phone at the time for me.

My 12yr old is desperate for one of these , I've banned Apple from the house, maybe I'll get her one as punishment and stop her moaning and then begging for her Monster R8 back....

This is a good deal as an alternative to an iPod Touch for the kids.

Any good for using as a dash cam??

Good price, heated. Not sure the toilet deserved it's own phone, but each to their own!

its a pity so many Chinese slaves had to suffer in the name of apple profits , which they dont pay tax on in line with other companies who have a moral compass

A great phone in its day but it was slow and painful to use two years ago when I got rid of mine, I can only imagine its got worst since then. Its probably due to the 512mb of system ram it has more than anything as mine just kept on running out of ram.

I have one of these, though only using as a spare now. Cant say I've ever found it slow but the screen is very small compared to most modern smartphones which is the most irritating thing about it. Personally I'd rather pay the same or a bit more for a new phone from a lesser brand (but with a bigger screen)

[/quote]My daughter is 13 and she would be most grateful, but that is the way I brought her up :wink:[/quote]
You poor parent, on the cusp of that huge change. You wait. You just wait.... :wink:

Happened to one of my friends recently.....she placed the phone inside a bag of rice in an airing cupboard for a few days and the Iphone came back to life...

The last of the perfect sized phones - now why can't they just give it a refresh and upgrade the processor etc I'd buy it in a heartbeat. All phones - even the z5 compact/5s are too big

I say :man: Is that a screen or a postage stamp?

Or send them down the titanium mines with the 3rd world child slaves so they can see where the raw materials come from.

This is a pony deal.

4 year old phone, it definitely shows it's age in 2016.

Voted ice cold.

I have a 4S and it's just terrible.

On a 5/6 the The latest IOS is super slick, but on these its so damn slow. Facebook takes a up to 30 seconds to even show anything, the the touchscreen sometimes doesn't respond as the phones busy paging ram. Safari can't handle current webpages with all the adverts etc and youtube just chuggs.

you can't flick between any apps, they all shutdown are reopen rather than suspend to save resources.

The OS has killed the phone.

Worth spending a few quid for anything different (Samsung S7 here I come!)

I have Note 5 with 4GB ram and I can honestly say my previous phone (iPhone 6) with just 1GB ram was as smooth and fast if not better.
people are silly comparing specs of 2 entirely different systems (Android /iOS) they definitely Utilise hardware differently.
as much as I like file management of android,iOS is much more polished,much nicer and user friendly and almost every thing you want to do is were it should be.oh and security and privacy is definitely way ahead if android.
that being said I keep using both.and will switch between.

You'd have been better off fishing your other phone out the toilet.

It had the same specs as an iPod 5th gen which don't sell for much less than this on the selling site second hand - and this has a better camera and can make calls so if you want an IOS device it's a good deal, anything else by any other company is irrelevant if you want an IOS device

on my ipad 3 - the latest IOS is all but useless

They make a great iPod on the cheap tho & you can still download the latest software. Sound better than a 5S too imo. Certainly more power/volume.

I suspect only a matter of time before corrosion starts setting in on the electrical tracks where moisture remains.

Sparked quite a debate - this wasn't my intention.
I went to leave feedback for the purchase earlier and browsed the store and came across something else, which I've bought and shared here - http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-iphone-5-16gb-unlocked-with-a-warranty-114-95-delivered-limetropic-ebay-2406763 and I'll know give my little brother the 4S.

Released in October 2011. :disappointed:
Amazon currently have Vodafone Smart Prime 6 at £65 , reviewed here in Stuff Magazine last year:

http://www.stuff.tv/vodafone/smart-prime-6/review

Wake up guys, sniff the Gold Blend!:smile:

And a show there will be. :wink:

SD cards are a real pain in the **** for both app developers and OS manufacturers to support. Especially if you allow moving apps and app data to them. There's so many dodgy SD cards on the market (claiming to be class 10 etc) which affect performance and reliability then people say "My phones rubbish, it keeps crashing, it's slow".. It's not the phone or the OS or the apps it's often the SD card.

At least if an apple device (or indeed a Nexus device - Google doesn't trust you to use SD cards either) is rubbish/crashing/slow it's the phones fault.

In this thread people arguing for Android, probably the same people who play video games on consoles instead of a Gaming PC. Using hypocritical arguments like "upgrading/being able to customize to their needs".

Has it got cartoon hd? Then I'll buy it

**** out of stock!

Then the poor lads gonna get bullied for being a hillbilly and having a 4 year old phone.

IPhone users make me chortle :laughing:

Nothing worse, then getting old tech as a teenager...

If it's anything like my dads iPhone 4 or my iPad 2 then it will be slow as ****.

Oh I dunno, i'd say not having enough food to eat, having ill health, family issues, etc would be up there too...

Yes 21st century, First world problem.

The 4S is next on the chopping block when the next big software update rolls around.

I wouldn't buy anything less than the 5S for that reason, unless you can deal with a severely outdated phone (I know how bad the 4S is these days, I have an old one lying around)

Shouldn't be using your Kindle app when you're sitting on the loo then?:laughing:

unless they've just put a new battery in it I wouldn't be expecting much...

Because iPad 3 is too old now.it had it's time.time to upgrade..
I was comparing 2 top of the range models from each platform that I own/owned.in response to idiotic coments focused on specs.
I never said an old product still runs smooth snd fast.but still I bet your iPad 3 beats any equilavent android tablet of that era in terms of speed and performance.

Seriously, bore off! This deal is hot ....
What I find chortling is that people like you even click on an iPhone post?

I know nothing about iphones. Can you use that ApplePay thingy on this for the TFL free travel offer?

For the record, I'm fully conversant with rooting and flashing any android device you might want to put in front of me. I was loading custom roms on to my motorola razr v3x ten years ago. The fact that I have a 128gb iPhone 6s now doesn't change that either smart boy.

The reward Apple users get from the attempt to avoid fragmentation and bash Android accordingly (even though it is an empty claim).

no chance its a dog with the latest IOS...had 2 iphones and an ipad...moved back to andriod, twice the flexibility, half the price....decent battery life....was fed up charging the iphones

you are living in the past,expecting too much.
As I said I have probably the best android device (Note 5) while I love it,I cannot deny many superiorities of iOS devices.
or maybe you thought just because you paid more and bought an iPad 3 ,some 4 years ago it should work as fast as it was today? Thats not going to happen regardless of what platform..android,ios or windows.2 years and then its time to upgrade if you want good performance.
as for the battery life...battery life of iPhone 6 plus is hard to match.it's excellent.so dont make false and funny claims.
fortunatelly I have best of both worlds and don't limit my judgment based on some 4 years old devices performance today.

One of my fave phones ever!!

Nah, us teenagers can't survive without new tech! :stuck_out_tongue:

Bad deal I got my iPhone 5s 16gb gold ee locked boxed with everything for £115 all in mint condition only one mark.

No it's not. iPhone 3GS stopped at 6.1.3 IIRC.

For what it's worth I've got a 4S as a spare, and while this does seem greatly overpriced they've aged pretty well.The screen, while very small, is crisp and bright, has a decent battery life and runs ios 8.1.2 pretty well (I'm aware there's a later version than that but I don't wanna push my luck).

Oh my god look at the size of that screen

I didn't say all older iPhones could run the latest version of IOS, I said the iPhone 4S was the oldest version of the iPhone that could run the latest version of IOS.

(iPhone 3GS wasn't supported by IOS 7 and later, iPhone 4 wasn't supported by IOS 8 and later)

Ah, I get you. :smiley:

Shame, got mine for nothing :smile:

Ty