Well welcome to the forum you are entitled to your opinion as am I. :smiley: All I was doing was giving you the facts (not opinion) from the link you provided and that makes me "Not very bright"! OK.

Good for you having 5 custom rigs. Sadly I don't have that many. I do however have a A8-7600 and have had it since launch.

So while I may "Not be very bright" in your opinion you linked to a website disparages your entire point. So you were either trolling yourself or 'Not even as bright as me!' :smiley:

Yes because thats what sells for some reason:


and its most likely a 7200Rpm HDD

Very small PSU, if you were thinking of adding a better graphics card you would be struggling

Are you an octopus?

Now £199.99

Pretty good, though it shows as £220 with trade in now? ( Ok for me as I have an old PC they can have). But is there anything better to use as a HTPC for less than £250? I would prefer a small form factor, but not essential. I just want the most bang for my buck that can comfortably stream 1080P content, a PC that I can leave plugged in to my TV for a few years without it becoming slow. And I want HDMI. Thanks in advance :smiley:.

Oh how I love computer deals on HUKD. computer nerds/geeks/experts fighting reminds me of the big bang theory. :smirk:

Good answer (mine was a bit tongue in cheek).
Alan

There's no point arguing really is there ? It's important to remember that this is fundamentally a PC ( Personal Computer ) and the question "how good is it? " , the answer is found in the wording of the product "personal" and thus a highly subjective question. I do agree that it has ebuyer's OTT marketing as being "the ultimate gaming machine" , though this is expected from an overselling point of view ( bordering on lies)

However as a technical professional it is good practice to not be bias with technology products but, instead analyse the performance and give pro's, cons and suitability for each product .

Some technical talk - For example some people said that 4K is not needed and more than 60 frames per second is unnecessary, this is true for most people, even though I use a 4K tv and 2.5 K 144HZ montitor and do see some profound but occasional benefit . The bottom line with this scenario is that it depends upon the purpose you are using the monitor / TV , it is subjective upon which media you are playing , the power of your computer and how acquired your eyes are to UHD and Refresh rates . However even after using UHD , HIgh refresh rates and GSync technologies I mostly enjoy games and software which doesn't make full use of this technology , that said GTA5 does feel and look spectacular in 4K

Verdict At this price it is fair price for those who are perhaps entering into the PC or PC gaming realm , as said before there are some great games, especially PC only Indy titles , which do not need high end computer components . This rig could run most indie/ arcade games on moderate to high settings such as The Cave, Limbo, Grand Fandango , Bastion and many more . The bad news about this set up is the paltry 250W PSU , having said that if it is a good brand PSU then you could get away with pushing it a bit higher , though I would not recommend pushing it ( Dont hold my word to it ) .
If it ( likely ) is as a cheap PSU then voltages are not likely to be clean and could run into stability issues, especially when upgrading . For example if you wanted to upgrade the GPU with the current PSU then you are limited to choice to something such as a energy efficient GTX 750ti , R7 250 or HD 7770 /HD7750, in order to keep the power consumption down and some stability .

You would also need to install an operating system , which nowadays is a lot easier , unless you want to run windows 5 , spare floppy discs anyone ?

​i got this one. amazon has another brand called gigabyte on prime too but this is the one i got. KFA2 75IGH8HX9KXZ Geforce GTX750ti OC 2GB DDR5 Low Profile Custom Dual Slot Fan Cooling Graphics Card - (Components > Video Graphics Cards) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00IKF9F6C/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_5OBXwbMFQ90FE

​Even so the performance was still pretty poop. I couldn't cope playing it like that.

​hi dodge! i got an nvidia gtx 750ti. i read the reviews and it was a low powered card. There was only one brand that had low profile though. let me dig it up tomorrow. and paste a link. i read so much about it as i really got a gaming pc on the cheap through my method!

This isn't an argument. This is what that TDP figure means. You can't test each processors individual power consumption in every possible workload scenario. All manufacturers can do for simplicity is give a guide figure on the amount of heat your processor likely produces to enable you to buy an appropriate cooler to stop it cooking.

I have gtx 750ti for sale if anyone interested shoukd work in this pc and plays all games at 1080p

You will not get that level of performance from this PC. APUs are heavily dependant on RAM and this PC isn't built correctly for an APU.
The guy in the video uses a correct setup, this PC does not.

If you play mo
Here Advanced Warfare on low

any good for world of warcraft?

I've just built my son his first gaming PC with the a10-7500k, 8GB gaming ram and a case with a 450w power supply for £230 from amazon through PC part picker. He loves it and I highly recommend. 250w for this is very poor IMO.

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No, your card is better and should work in this system. But if that's what your doing, your much better off getting an Intel system. The only reason to consider this is the better integrated graphics AMD offer over Intel

It was a time 3.5 years ago when I built up my own gaming machine
mainboard Gygabite Sniper M3 135
Intel I7 3770K (clocked to 4.3ghz) 250
Corsair case 92
G-force 580 3GB 320
Kingston 16gb @ 1600mhz 50
OCZ PSU 750W 70
SSD Crucial M4 64GB 55
Sennheiser headphones 135
Noctua cpu cooler 55
Monitor Benq XL2024T 120Hz 275
Logitech mouse G400 40
Qck Steelseries mousepad 10
HP keybord 10
Total £1497

I dont do gaming anymore - no time but my PC still is decent for gaming. My brother had a go one day - said no problem. Only GPU needs to be replaced. Besides there are 2 free slots for extra ram.

Is this PC good for gaming? Maybe, but not for the games which consume loads of PC resources. If you want good gaming machine and keep up with the latest and best graphics, good FPS 80 and above - you need to buy stuff where single pc component may cost more that this PC. Use your common sense

As in 200 for refurbished business pc and 100 for graphics card

Voted hot because it has more lights than my house.

The real question here is... will this be able to store all of the cheap humble bundle games that I've purchased and will never play?

HUKD - the place where trolls come out to play when car leasing or computer components are talk of the day.

something like this plus gtx 750ti... i got better deal via gumtree but just to show others what can be done. i wanted small form. best thing would be to get an ebuyer argos pcworld refurb deal for big box. but buy a business pc and put a graphics card in it! HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF PC Intel Core i5 2400 3.10GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB HDD, DVD-RW with Windows 7 Professional (Certified Refurbished) https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0112VZY3I/ref=cm_sw_r_other_awd_XJiXwbQAWN2SP

I got myself a gtx 75ti for 100 quid (low form) and put it in a second hand business pc (i5) and it had a really low psu (not even sure if more than 200w?). I was afraid it would blow up but all works great. All games I play run at 1080p eg far cry 3. I recommend doing similar. Cost me around 300 quid.

Well as I said it is probably the ultimate you can get for £200 as its the fastest APU to build a system for the price. At £200 for your whole system you can't afford to go Intel and GPU.
Playing games on it (A8-7600) does feel like a PS3/360 level. But when you can download a game for a few quid it doesn't matter.

Yes £300 will build a better machine and I would encourage people to spend more if they intend to game regularly. But if you need a computer that can do day to day stuff and you can game for a few hours a week then APU's make a lot of sense.

someone needs to do there homework.

What's this 7600k amd cpu like in terms of an Intel cpu? Thanks

It's funny how the whole lighting thing was big in the mid 2000's then it became super lame, now it's big again to make your PC looks like it fell out of Las Vegas...

An interesting argument. So if the processor uses more power than it gives off in heat, what happens to the rest of the energy input? Unless the processor is emitting sound energy or light energy, all of the energy in MUST be released as heat after it's done its work. Conservation of energy - basic GCSE physics.

Playing crysis 3 on this now @ 4k/120FPS! Heat.

This pc would be better used as a toaster

That is why I said the majority you're obviously in the minority

For me the main draw is abundance of cheap games/ bundles. I dont give a damn about fps or ultra-high graphic settings. If I could point out one thing about this particular PC :
It only uses 1 stick of low-speed RAM. This will be a huge buzzkill to any hopes of playing games on this PC. You would be better off with 2 sticks of 4GB RAM ( DDR3 2133 MHz ram or even 2400 Mhz if possible.).

​i can't respond as your private messaging isn't active

AVOID - Never buy from ebuyer for a ZooStorm, might be a good spec but its their warranty support!!!

Had a minor hardware issue with laptop harddisk, sent it back and waited between 1 to 2 months for it to be repaired.
Came back unrepaired claiming BIOS locked (any technican worth his salt could unlock that)
Wanted to charge to send back, had to explain BIOS wasn't even locked, it was linux.
Sent it back.
Came back inside a box with NO packaging to proect it... also had a broken screen!!!
Sent it back
Came back with monitor HINGE damaged, reinstalled operating system to find right side USB ports not working, case side broken with a rattle... a loose screw inside the laptop!
In total over 6 months for my laptop to be 'fixed' or at least in a condition I could partially use it.

Think if you selling have to list on fs/ft

How log might it take to encrypt a terabyte external usb 3.0 with this using Veracrypt please ?

Please re-read what I wrote I didn't say the only draw I said the main draw !
I agree it can handle small indie games fine but when u fancy trying a more demanding game you will of wished you bought a better system

Stick an ssd in and it will fly.

I think you've missed my point.. there is a huge back catelogue of fantastic games that will happily run on this cheap machine. Theres no such thing as an "ultimate" gaming machine really, technology evolves rapidly and so do trends and tastes. I had as much fun playing an 80s Binotone console as I have with any modern machine. So I think that if your the kind of gamer who likes browsing gog.com this machine will be more than adequate to keep you entertained.

Fps and graphics are not the only draw for pc gamers - I think the huge popularity of indie games testifies to that, not to mention games like Skyrim, the Sims and Minecraft with their massive modding communities.

I have £300 tops and that needs to include windows 10. I'm struggling :disappointed:

is the graphics card built in this better than a PCI Radeon HD7750? if not, could I add this in as I could take it out my old PC which has just died :disappointed: I would be using it for light gaming, but mostly web browsing, Netflix, work) in that order :smiley:

Just replace the PSU, GPU, CPU & Motherboard, add a SSD and voila!... You got a decent gaming PC :smiley:

Pretty sure the vast majority of people would consider ultimate gaming to at the very least involve a graphics card ..?
As fps and far better graphics are the main draw for PC gaming

and depends what you consider to be acceptable. I have a system people would consider excessive for any reason (2 E5-2697 v2's, Titan X, 32gb RAM) and it's getting to a point with AE and Premiere that I find it getting on the sluggish side for my needs.

Depends on what you consider the ultimate gaming experience - for me it would be a Pc loaded with games like Dungeon Keeper, Knights of the Old Republic, Fallout New Vegas and Planescape Torment rather than the latest blockbusters. This PC will save you wasting time downloading 30Gb games that you only play for an hour. :smile:

at 9fps

It's easy to underestimate Minecraft due to the blocky look but the game can be pretty hard on the gpu/cpu. Skyrim for example runs much smoother than Minecraft on our home pc.

Please no more my face hurts from laughing so much :smile:

In all seriousness it's not a bad little setup for the price but if someone is buying this for an ultimate gaming experience think again . My Intel i5 2500k is still delivering that so just buy a used bundle people !

And nobody answered the question on video editing.

What a load of rubbish in this thread. If interested in gaming with his look on YouTube and judge for yourself. My three year old A8 Laptop can still game in 720p at low to med settings which still look decent at good console framerates. This PC will be more powerful than that. It's a £200 warrantied PC. Get your expectations in check.

Look at YouTube videos for this processor and judge if your happy with it.

No it's a really poor PC, that's almost all you could play

Is this a computing 'inside' joke? I sound dumb but I keep seeing posts on computer specs (even high end) and people saying that 'it can play minecraft'!, now I've seen some pics of minecraft and the graphics are ****, no doubt it's a great game though!

Are you an octopus?

£200? Now that's a good spec for that price!

I miss not owning a desktop :disappointed:

It's an ultra low-end gaming PC, but it's still a gaming PC.
A well designed APU build can still play something like Skyrim in 1080/30/high, or 60 with lower settings.

This particular one is just designed horribly and won't work very well. If they splashed an extra £10-20 on a proper RAM setup it would offer the best performance you'll find at this price point.

"AMD A8 delivers quad core performance and features for the ultimate gaming and entertainment experience."*






*At this price point. :smiley:

Better? :laughing:

Still laughing at the ' ultimate gaming experience ' statement :laughing:
Heat for making me lol

would've been cool if it had an a10 instead

What you don't realise is that the "89% efficiency" thing you keep banging on about isn't 89% efficiencies at 1% load (when on standby for example) or 100% load. The efficiency is somewhere at 50% load. So at 50% PSU load, the efficiency is at 89%. The same is true for all PSU's.

Therefore, if the manufacturer were to put in a 300w PSU, it would be horribly inefficient ALL the time, as it's clearly already over specced. Not to mention the additional cost.

There is a reason why a 250w PSU was used and that is because it is perfectly adequate for this system. You do not need any additional case fans and if you are planning on upgrading the GPU down the line, then this PC is not for you. This PC is for those who want to use it for surfing the web, typing word documents, which isn't on a laptop.

From my personal experience, I have ran an A8-3850 (100w TDP), 2Gb DDR3 RAM, Samsung 830 256GB SSD, USB Hub, 7" Touchscreen monitor and 5 USB devices powered solely by the PC....all through a 160w 95% efficient PSU.

Yes that is very true. But in general people quote the TDP (including benchmarking sites). In this instance AMD sets the power draw at 65w so the above is still true. On the A8-7650K you could well go over the TDP point by overclocking it.
But a well made point. :smiley:

The 65w rating of the APU *is not* power consumption. The figure is for TDP (Thermal Design Power) and represents the amount of heat produced by the APU that needs to be dissipated. You use this number to pick an appropriate Cooler not Power Supply.

Precisely. Therefore a bog standard system is going to pull in 107w. That leaves 147w for a GPU over the basic integrated on the chipset. On a very low end GPU you're pushing past 70w with ease.


Who's brand is this PSU? At this pricepoint I doubt it will even give 150w.

Want to put a bigger hard drive? 1tb isn't going to last very long so you either upgrade to a bigger drive and lose your data on the first, or you put a second drive and add an additional 7-10w with two drives running at the same time.
This machine will of course require at least one case fan so expect there to be a few w draw there too.

How about upgrading the ram with another stick?

Where is all this draw going to come from? Want to run a couple of USB cables to charge your phone/tablet?

If you're just planning on buying this to make no modifications and use as-is, good luck, but it's not going to stand the test of time or give you much room to upgrade in future.

Don't buy low end junk.

Well welcome to the forum you are entitled to your opinion as am I. :smiley: All I was doing was giving you the facts (not opinion) from the link you provided and that makes me "Not very bright"! OK.

Good for you having 5 custom rigs. Sadly I don't have that many. I do however have a A8-7600 and have had it since launch.

So while I may "Not be very bright" in your opinion you linked to a website disparages your entire point. So you were either trolling yourself or 'Not even as bright as me!' :smiley:

"The numbers below represent the total system power draw from the mains, not the power consumption of a CPU itself."

What you are quoting is not the power draw for the CPU but the WHOLE PC, motherboard, ram, psu, hard drive, keyboard, mouse etc.

You're not very bright. I have 5 custom rigs in my house, you sound like a fool continually arguing with everyone because you either have nothing better to do with your time, or you genuinely believe what you are saying. In both situations you shouldn't be posting inaccurate and incorrect responses, particularly when other people do know better.

Bye

Sorry, i see what you mean now, so yeah i agree, I guess it doesn't go over 65W

No using the chart you linked to and the usage of the Intel CPU this leads to the other componants in the system use approx 25w!

So 65w APU + System usage 25w + faster memory 5w gives you 95w with the PSU inefficiencies (89%) that gets you to the headline of 107w.

From a watt use per FPS it is very good.

You did:

Who said is was an Intel?!:confused:

I never claimed it was better as it clearly is not. My point is you can buy games very cheap which keeps the ongoing cost down.

I'd agree with you but under the description it states not just gaming but delivering "ultimate gaming and entertainment experience".
This PC will work for gaming if a powerful PSU and a gaming gpu is fitted in. That will be another £100+

So just goes to prove my point. At artificial 100% load on both CPU and GPU the system as a whole uses 107w at the wall. The PSU at that load is a 89% efficient. So system usage is about 95w. If you work down from an Intel CPU that the system uses about 25w. So now we are down to 70w. The extra 5w is probably down to the higher clocked memory over the Intel system.

good for gaming?

A restaurant I goto regularly did that. They renamed the burger and mentioned the type of cheese they use (which they always did) and increased the price by £1. I'm not a regular there anymore.

That is load for the full system not just the processor.

Not too bad for a basic build, building my own NAS/HTPC/KODI and based around AMD A8 7600, FM2+A88x 8 sata, XFX 430 Psu and Node 804 for about £210-£220 using other bits from old sever

get a PS4 or XBONE if you want to game over this junk

AMD at it again: Load consumption

Guess again

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2014/01/14/amd-a8-7600-kaveri-review/12

250w PSU lol
Good luck with that.
This CPU under load is over 100w. Doesn't leave much room for a graphics card, fans etc. You've got no hope of overclocking. Shell out for a decent corsair PSU for £80, but swapping out parts isn't going to do your wallet any good when you can instead build a system for yourself.

Will play MMOs to a good level and AAA titles on 720p low/ mid settings.

A "gaming PC" that doesn't even list the RPM of the HDD and with integrated graphics and a 250W PSU? Does throwing LEDs into a fancy looking case = Gaming PC these days?

how good a gaming pc is this

Would this be more than capable of editing 2.7k/1080p video?

Would this be more than capable of editing 2.7k/1080p video?

Is the iGPU on this good for Kodi?

The A8-7600 is not a 'K' series part. Some limited over clocking may be possible to the FSB.

An A8-7650K build of the same would cost about £30 more using better components. But I would probably spend £240 and not get the hard drive and grab a 240gb SSD instead.

Good price for what you get. Heat added.

Very small PSU, if you were thinking of adding a better graphics card you would be struggling