if you made a little effort rather than being a naysayer you would realise the post you replied to is nonsence

http://www.pcgamesupply.com/buy/PlayStation-Network-20-Card-CANADA/

but thanks for your invaluable input

Worked a treat via the pcgamesupply link, great game so far, thanks OP!

If I create a Canadian account can't I just pay with my UK paypal?

Prototype 2, God of war ascension and Ducktales to name a few that I have noticed missing. Pretty sure there are more if I were to look into it. I know someone who lost the full game of minecraft fully payed for and Sony kept blaming accounts, they ended up buying the physical copy. I have never been into minecraft personally but the principle is there and they are happy to steal your money.

It is a worry with this 'turning to all digital' talk because if it happens I will be sticking with the older physical gaming. I'm now against paying for air lol.

Will never purchase on psn again. They have taken paid games out of my download list and refuse to put them back. I proved payment and even had trophies in a few. Your games are not secure with psn.

Am I right in assuming then that these games that have vanished would have vanished for everyone then, what titles were they that have disappeared of PSN? I'd be interested to check whether its any of the ones I have as well as I literally have hundreds of digital titles stretching back over 5 years.

No they actually kept ignoring the question in hand and mentioning PS4 compatibility for PS3 games. The best they came up with was to contact the publisher but they may not be able to help.

It was a psn issue that occured after re-activating psn. The games were there, i only have the one account and I played them. I have all the emails to prove also.

Amazon do pay taxes. Ignorance is bliss.

Well put. I presume all these do gooders have never used amazon either, given their tax practices. My friend makes knit wear, if she was to charge £10 an hour plus materials she can make you a nice jumper for £400, i'm sure many in this thread would be happy to pay that, hand made, british and all that.

Sucking money out of the British economy? ...sounds a lot like the "buy local" campaigns of decades past. Globalisation isn't bringing about "the end of the nation state", where do you get these wild ideas? This is basically just importing. Do you buy all of your food and clothes made in your local town, because if not, that would be sucking money out of your local economy...

On the topic of tax, the maker of this game is American, and provider (Sony) is of course Japanese... so I don't think much of their profits is going to be significant to the British economy. If you were thinking of VAT, HMRC's total VAT receipts for 14-15 was only 22% of its total receipts that year, and as a proportion of that small proportion I don't think £5 on a few digital games like this one is going to be much missed in comparison to the other £500,000,000,000 they received last year.

But here's the official public data if you think I just made that up
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/493308/Dec15_Receipts_NS_Bulletin_Final.pdf

While I'm not going to try to argue this further as there's clearly not much point, I just thought I'd say that you're not alone in your views on this - I agree with you fully.

buying something abroad digitally that can be bought here all be it a few pounds more means sucking money out of the british economy and ultimately that is not to be wanted, not to mention your not paying british taxes on it but canadian unless there tax system is the same as the americans in which you are supposed to calculate your spends at the end of the year and pay your due taxes on it, and in this case obviuously they wouldnt get their tax

no crime is victimless :wink: but the biggest one is to the british state and british people but all aboard the good ship globalisation ehhh?


its things like these that is culminating in the end of the nation state and will eventually lead sooner than later to a one world government, run by the americans i would assume, yipeee

what kind of game is this?

so your notion of value when it comes to games is how many people were involved in making it and how much it cost? Lemmings is one of my dads favourite games, is he a miserable hipster that doesnt know what fun is?

I would encourage devs to use the full spectrum of pricing, why cant use a have a £30 indie game or a £20 AAA game? In the case of the AAA space devs probably feel they have to release the game at £50 or whatever cause knuckleheads like you probably feel they are getting some sort of inferior experience. The Order 1886 costing what it did at launch is infinitely more offensive than this being £30 IMO.

How do I reply to this concisely...
Firstly, if puzzle games are not for you that is entirely fair. But if you are looking at a collection of more than 50 reviewers all saying the same thing and accusing them all of 'pretending'... you are not being honest with yourself. Or at least that's the nice way of putting it.

Secondly, how can you call this game a '60 hour game' AND "a little indie game" in the same post without seeing the inconsistency? It just sums up your "...for an indie game" prejudice and frankly I can't see your AAA price hike paranoia as anything but hysteria.

Nope, I missed off your second mistake first time round.

I just don't understand how someone can have fun with a game thats a puzzle game nevermind a 60 hour puzzle game. I get very annoyed just on the small obscure puzzle sections in Resident Evil games nevermind playing a whole game based on puzzles. I think people just pretend to like games like Braid and Witness as they are boring AF. The price for Witness is even more hilarious for an indie game as i've gotten some fantastic AAA games cheaper than the price for Witness. Also if people think the price of Witness is reasonable then it will make AAA devs think if a little indie game is being sold for that much they will think they are undervalueing AAA games meaning a price hike for AAA games.

I don't agree with you on this. If you are knowingly and deliberately falsifying your address (not simply leaving a once-true old address, or other slight) then is it not still fraud? Sure, I don't think it'd ever be called identity theft, and if it's fraud then it's purely for personal gain rather than to substantially cause loss to another party, but isn't it technically fraud nonetheless.

Even if you only admit to it being wilfully breaking the ToS, I don't see how you can discuss such a thing without Morals coming into it. Know it or not, a moral consideration is there. By your description it seems that the moral stance described is 'as long as you're willing to face the consequences if caught, it doesn't matter the transgression'.

I think Sony has region free consoles for our benefit, especially in the cases described where for good reason one would entirely need the freedom to continue normal usage, not to mention the ability to import things that were never released in your region. But I don't think it's very fair to use these freedoms as a jumping-off-point to justify an action that clearly breaks the ToS. It's like equating the ease and freedom to buy knives into the freedom to do whatever you want with knives... (by the way, trying to justify it at all is pretty much talking about the moral circumstances)

Yet you needed to edit the message to get it right yourself?

It's not really a question about morals and lying about your identity though, You don't have to pretend to be anyone else to actually have the CA or US account. All you're doing is having an incorrect address, you can still use your name. So the issue would more be that "Are you happy to face the consequences of Sony possibly banning the US/CA account if they chose to out of breaking Terms of Service agreement?" if anything. If you're fine to face those consequences then go for it. If not, don't. Morals don't come into it. No claims can be made that Sony don't allow you to play games from a different region either, seeing as Sony removed all region locks from their games when the PS4 came out. No retail disc based games have region locks, they are all region free.

Therefore there would be nothing to stop anyone having a US account for example and then maybe moving to the UK (to be closer to their wife :smirk: ) and still continuing to use the games on their US account.

The question you should be asking yourself is am I okay with lying about my identity to save £10. If the answer is yes then we don't really have any need to discuss any further as we will go round in circles questioning each others morals. It's easy not to question stuff when a bucket load of people are doing the same thing.

Lying about your address is wrong, fraudulent even, but how on earth do you figure this for a scam? They are paying the seller asking price/fair market value and not a penny less. There's nothing "free" about this, so your analogy is just outright incomparable.

Your next comment is even more ridiculous, how does paying full price in alternative currency equate to stealing? Have you ever been to a website that lets you pay in your choice of US Dollar, Pounds, or Euros? Is everyone who chooses the cheapest option there a criminal, too?

Haha what makes you think I am not the real Austin Evans. I moved here a while back to be closer to my Wife. I'll catch you in the next one :wink:

Oh I just meant how you didn't want to pretend to be a Canadian whilst already pretending to be an American youtuber :wink: Was just a funny thought I had to myself. Don't take it to heart. Wasn't really relevant to your reasons for not liking the deal. Just made me laugh.

A: I don't play games on PC

B: Where on earth is the relation between making a saving on a game (where the developer is still getting full price that THEY set) and pirating a game for free where the developers don't get any revenue whatsoever?

If the RRP of a game in the UK say is £45 (again, set by the devs and publishers), will you not buy it when it drops in price in store (or online) because you are not paying "full price" for it?

Have a word!

You're*
There*

If you want to save another £20 mate just pirate it on PC. Your already a 3rd of the way their. I will shutup now as my opinion here is clearly not the popular one. Enjoy the game folks.

Agreed, sheesh! I don't know what you're trying to achieve by moaning. If you don't feel comfortable using this method, then don't. Simple as that! As far as I'm concerned, this is a great deal so thanks to the OP :smiley:

Has anyone actually played this yet? First impressions?

Christ, have a day off mate. If you don't like it, then just don't comment and take your miserable attitude about saving money elsewhere.

Where is the irony? To get this deal you need to sign up to a Canadian psn account, to do this you need to lie about your address. Not something I'm willing to do personally. It's just a basic scam to save a tenner, nothing more. Why not sign upto a credit catalog and lie about your identity to get free stuff, same concept is it not?

Got this via the canadian store. It really is just a 5 minute set up. I pulled out any old address off google (i used some IBM headquarters in Ontario and it went through fine.) Grab the codes off PCGameSupply and youre good to go.

I ended up paying just over £29 for the Witness and Resident Evil Zero, which would have been £45 on the UK store. £16 saving for 5 minutes work.

Christ I thought this was going to be a £15 release, clearly wrong there then. Still, its high on the radar for more puzzle solving addiction. Just finished The Talos Principle, probably the best £16 i've spent this generation, absolutely fantastic game.

Oh the irony there, did make me chuckle. Haha

Already planned to check the CA prices anyway but cheers anyway OP.

I don't understand how hipster indies games especially what is essentially a 60 hours puzzle game get so much hype and praise. Don't get me wrong there are good indie games like Transistor but this guy that made this Witness game also made a game called Braid which was complete tosh.

It wasn't like this on PS3. On PS3 you had at least 2 accounts you could have as primary and on any console in fact it was even up to 5 accounts a few years ago but people abused it to gameshare like me so they kept reducing it and now PS4 only has up to one. PS3 still has up to 2 accounts though.

The Deal breaker for me is you have to set the Canadian account as primary to play on your UK account.

nope, you are thinking about accounts (easy mistake to make) you can have 16 accounts set as primary on that one console, what you can not do is log your account on a different PS4 and set as primary whilst leaving the other one as primary

Think can only set one as primary which blocks out features from the other, thought it deactivates the other?

Even without 'taking a stance' on the moral aspect, at the end of the day the Canadian list price is being paid, they're getting the money they asked for, just from a different region. I know this has implications on the European region's sales but everyone who buys this way is still paying full price... somewhere. And frankly if they're going to price it 50% up they should expect reduced sales in the region- supply and demand. Especially when it's so easy for us to unofficially import.

If I was to compare it to a well known example, I would compare it to buying wine from France (physically). On a simple basis, is that morally wrong?

Don't know how it seems nobody has mentioned the UK listing price yet either, at £30 it makes a (potentially) £20 buy a pretty significant price difference (like I said, 50% up, or 33% down), especially considering how it's not even a sale (right?). It's just strength of currency: GBP is up 30% on CAD compared to three years ago, which means we can more cheaply buy the amount of money necessary to pay them a fair price in that currency. And prices were a little bit cheaper in NA currencies to begin with due to taxes and so on.

It quite often is for the US store, not always mind you.

Think of the standard UK price for an indie at £16 compared to $20. Divide $20 by 1.5 (average exchange rate) and you get £13.33, times that by 1.2 (VAT) and you get £16.

Canada is better as they often mirror the US price (to the Canadians advantage) and the exchange rate is slightly over £1 = $2.

The difference in price for a digital product is not the same as the tax alone.

Personally I have no issues with buying from Canada I see it as no more dodgy for example than Sony charging the UK public far more for the games than they are charging the Canadian public.

It's a global market place after all these days.

As much as I would like to pay a lower price, I will hold out for the PC release. This game would be quite a good showpiece for VR I imagine and sadly it's only the PC version which is VR compatible.

heat added! good price, ive ended up buying alot of digital games from the canadian store, easy too set up too, worth it in the end :smiley:

Be honest - are you just in the mood to moan about something today? Because I'm struggling to find anything worth moaning about this in what is quite clearly a deal with minimal hassle involved.

Maybe you can "contribute" elsewhere while others add heat to a great price for a great new game.

you've never bought something from abroad because its cheaper?

I used the link above cheers op very smooth and i got my psn credit straight away, created a new canadian psn and a new gmail and saved myself a tenner.

I've used the amazon method in the past to buy didgital cards but you need a real US address i used borderlinks and it works great. The only issue with this method is that if you have an amazon prime household you are using to share your amazon account with say a wife or partner amazon won't let you purchase digital stuff unless you change your default adress to the US one. doing this boots everyone out of that prime membership household as it thinks your no longer living together lol.

How did you go about paying for this via canadian psn.

do you need to buy psn vouchers like you do with the US store,

Trying to work out if it's worth the hassle of setting it up as if you have to go third party to buy psn credit its a lot more hassle

no just not paying uk tax on it, its a loophole not piracy.

They don't do that for some reason, mite have something to do with knowing what their doing is dodgy. This is basically just the same as pirating a 3rd of a game but is allowed on here as its the core buisness model for some sites that do quite well on here.

Fair play you knocked off half my misgivings with these deals. If only I was a Canadian now.

I don't see how asking for recomendations on where to get psn credit from is me being a naysayer, maybe put your link to a decent psn credit site in the OP next time.

if you made a little effort rather than being a naysayer you would realise the post you replied to is nonsence

http://www.pcgamesupply.com/buy/PlayStation-Network-20-Card-CANADA/

but thanks for your invaluable input

if your having to buy vouchers via them to get this deal its £12.81 per $20 voucher on there so this would make this deal £25.62 you can get it via the cd key route for about £26 think i might just do that

It's probably worth noting as a qualification that there is not physical release *yet* - eventually, we probably will see one, though when is far from clear.

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/12/23/jonathan-blows-the-witness-aims-for-a-physical-release

Regardless, I'll likely be getting this from the UK store shortly. :smiley:

My ps4 is already downloading this now while I'm at work :disappointed:. Can't wait to do a Let's Play on it. this is a cracking deal have some heeeaaaattt.

Has had brilliant feedback and scores and this is good price.

Mr Blow has said they are looking at physical release in the future, he wanted to get the game out before negotiating with publishers. Saying that you will probably want to play before all the spoilers are out there.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1175390