Yes I know Skylake is out but unless you want to spend an extra £180 - £200 for a CPU and then £80 on the motherboard, Haswell is still pretty darn good.
Looking for a replacement motherboard and noticed the deal from around 2 to 3 months ago has come down in price from £100+ to £85 w/free 120GB SSD and free delivery.
Seems an alright deal for a decent specced board.
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savermonkey
16 Feb 164#10
But Skylake is out
brilly to HankMcSpank
17 Feb 163#35
the irony of a guy not interested in such minute technicalities yet coming into this post and commenting on others lives isn't lost on me...
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gillms1
16 Feb 16#1
I saw this earlier too and was going to post! I'm looking to build a Hackintosh but went for a b-grade gigabit board instead - was very nearly tempted by this though!
M0nk3h to gillms1
16 Feb 16#3
My current Gigabyte board is due a replacement and have been put off after two failures but this isn't in the Buyer's Guide but the Z97-A is. I posted and apparently they should theoretically be compatible due to NIC and audio being the same.
Which Gigabyte board did you go for? I'm put off with the recent issues and thinking of using the MSI Gaming 5 as it's in there.
JimBobJr
16 Feb 16#2
Unless its the 6700k you are getting then your 2nd paragraph is true (even though i'd go for a 5820k (x99) for a couple quid more than a 6700k) you are wrong. Most skylake i5's are even cheaper than haswell (just search HUKD for i5 deals) and a decent board for skylake is £40+ so i dont see why haswell is still a thing unless its bought used
However this isn't saying the deal is bad, even though the SSD is very slow for one
gillms1
16 Feb 16#4
The gaming 5 looks decent too (check Amazon.de, they had a used one going for cheap! - €118 euros's I think). I went for a GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK, came across a site doing a used one for £58 so thought why not - will wait and see if it's worth it, but it's on the recommended list! You looking to build a Hackintosh?
sparx1981
16 Feb 16#5
5960k is faster than a Skylake... Not a fanboy, just did some research earlier as looking to upgrade later in the year. Was going to go for 6700k but realised that the Haswell chip beats it by quite a bit in some benches. Gaming is pretty much the same though unless you have multiple GPUs
rev6 to sparx1981
17 Feb 16#17
Skylake has higher core performance though. Usually better for gaming.
mercutio98uk to sparx1981
17 Feb 16#20
I've picked yours out of the pro X99 platform comments as it's so sure of itself. I'm not picking on you though :smiley:
edit: and I DO note you've actually mentioned a point in closing which points in the direction of "the truth" (can't think of a better way of putting that, ignore words used, read the meaning).
X99 has 2 possible improvements over skylake.
1) 2 more cores. Hex core is useful if you are doing something more than gaming as those cores will likely get used. If you are gaming, they restrict the overall processor package as it's 2 cores of extra heat you don't need when overclocking and few/almost no games will use the 6 cores. "Per core" performance is generally MUCH more important or we'd all be using AMD chips.
2) More PCIe lanes. The X99 (and previous "pro" type chipsets) have more PCIe lanes. If you want to go with more than a pair of high end cards or want a pair of cards + high end NVMe/PCIe SSD's, the extra lanes are hugely important and will help performance a lot.
So in summary, if you are onlygaming and can't afford/don't want a tri-sli or dual-sli + high end SSD, the skylake platform is both slightly cheaper AND will likely net you slightly more performance overall (more per core performance available).
If you CAN afford tri-sli/dual+PCIe SSD OR are using the PC for "serious" work as well as gaming, the X99 based setup is better.
Deal wise, I'd agree with one of the earlier comments, skylake is generally as cheap as this. Haswell, if you can find it cheap is excellent, Ivybridge or sandybridge if you can find it (even) cheap(er) is also excellent. This as a full price offering isn't all that amazing. A 120GB ssd is worth about £30, that board is a better haswell one but it's not so amazing that a cheaper skylake setup wouldn't be worth getting instead.
M0nk3h
16 Feb 16#6
Gigabyte seems to be the go to for Hackintosh. My current machine is a Hackintosh and was the EASIEST one I've done. Everything worked out of the box, so you should have a smooth time running El Captian. Sadly after my two occurrences with bad boards, I'm put off going for the new Z97 series boards.
gillms1
16 Feb 16#7
Which boards caused you problems? Might be coming to you for advice! :wink:
M0nk3h
16 Feb 16#8
Haha, feel free and I'll help best I can :wink:
I had an AMD AM3+ board where the onboard sound chip had gone, had to RMA and refund and now my current Intel board (Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3) has this weird restart bug where it'll shut down then instantly start back up. I've troubleshooted through all possible option but alas, a motherboard replacement is imminent. A friend with the equivalent chipset on the AMD side (same Gigabyte board) had the exact same issue and he ended up just replacing it for a MSI gaming board, alas no problem.
It's now put me off going back to Gigabyte.
Insider9
16 Feb 16#9
Fantastic deal even if SSD isn't the best.
savermonkey
16 Feb 164#10
But Skylake is out
A1M
16 Feb 16#11
The Kingston V300 has such a bad reputation they've resorted to giving it away. Is that reputation still deserved? I know it's been a few years now.
M0nk3h to A1M
16 Feb 16#12
For a free SSD with a half-decent z97 ASUS motherboard that was £112 around 2 months ago, I'd say it's worth it.
Ferrari100
16 Feb 161#13
Z97 boards also accept Broadwell CPUs
AadilF1 to Ferrari100
17 Feb 16#25
Where did you get that from? Broadwell CPU's have 1151 sockets, Z97 have 1150
tempt
16 Feb 16#14
Are there any Kodi benchmarks comparing Haswell vs Skylake? which is better for a htpc build?
M0nk3h to tempt
17 Feb 16#15
If I'm honest I think they'll be on par with each other. Skylake would probably gain you a little boost due to being newer though. Both support H.265 so there's no issue there with using the iGPU.
rev6 to tempt
17 Feb 16#18
Skylake. Better iGPU if you're using that.
revolver31 to tempt
17 Feb 16#19
Actually this could be easy, they perform about the same but what it really comes down to is what you've bought so far, if the answer is nothing and you plan on rebuying the whole lot then I'd go z170, with ddr4, but if you have ddr3 lying around I'd save the cost of ddr4 and stick with z97, also worth note is the m.2 slot z97 boards only operate at 10gbps (people report 800mbps ish) but z170 will do 40gbps and the fastest current m.2 stick is the 950 pro 512gb followed by the sm951 512/256gb (2200mbps read) then the 950 pro 256gb.
basically if you want m.2 go z170 if you want 512gb get the 950 pro if you want just 256gb then the sm951 nvme, which is fully supported on z170, ddr4 is faster, chipset is better but a z170 board at least a good one is pricey, if you stay away from the z series of the 170 then your ddr4 is limited to 2133mhz, which is not cool any z series will allow up 4000mhz Oc ddr4.
I have a z97 asus pro cost £145 and its very good very highly rated and for gd reason, done a lot of homework before buying that, price new is much higher the last I checked, used isn't that much better as I say highly rated board.
I've also got an mitx asus z170 pro gaming which is amazing it's the perfect board for me and it has everything I need including a full size 2280 m.2 slot, cost £135, but to fair it's most likely the best board I've ever owned and that's saying something, amazing for my htpc, fast very fast, gd uefi, wireless/Bluetooth, pcie 3.0, z series chipset, usb 3.1, great audio although I just pass through raw to my 1000 watt receiver over hdmi.
TELLL
17 Feb 16#16
Solid board with free ssd to fit basic needs,heat added.personal using old 1155 e3,still beat most of the *new* cpus intel brought.
118luke
17 Feb 16#21
I jumped from an aging AM3 Phenom II 1100t to a Skylake z170 6700k after being nearly 20 years faithful to AMD.
I opted for the Skylake over the Broadwell because since everything was brand new, i wanted the newest tech as it is slightly more futureproof.
Minstadave to 118luke
17 Feb 16#23
I'm not sure Socket 1151 will even see more than a quad core chip, not exactly future proof. X99 will see ten core chips with Broadwell-E.
Danze1984
17 Feb 16#22
This looks like a decent board for the money. Considering I already have loads of RAM, going Skylake isn't worth it to me. I can do a 4790k build for less than I can do a 6600K build. And the I7 crushes the newer I5.
robodan918
17 Feb 16#24
Just built a cheapie gaming system from the ground up for 625
Intel i7-4790 (4th gen, as 5th gen is crazy expensive and 6th gen performs worse except at the highest end)
Arctic Cooling i32 cooler with 2 fans
GA-H97N-WIFI itx board
8GB (2x 4GB Kingston DDR3-1600)
Samsung 850 Evo 256GB SSD
Antec Truepower classic 750W PSU
Antec ISK600 ITX case
Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X
and a bunch of extra fans to keep everything extra cool
I don't plan on overclocking, as these components already have high clock speeds and I want them to last
If I'd tried to build a skylake version of this that performs just as well, I'd have had to add about 150 for the CPU, 45 for the board, and an extra 10-20 quid price difference for DDR4 vs DDR3 (which all current specs show similar performance between high DDR3 and current DDR4).
I'll upgrade in 12-18 month cycles (CPU/Mobo/GPU), which should put me in a spot to get decent DDR4 which shows a performance difference to DDR3, an Intel 7th gen CPU that hopefully performs better than 4th gen forchrissake (having 3 gens of similarly performing CPUs is bad form IMO), and NVMe at a reasonable price (i.e. not 2x the price of SATA6Gbps). I'd love to have 2 NVMe drives in RAID0 as Tomshardware tested.
ChilliPotatoes to robodan918
17 Feb 16#28
Wow that is a great spec for the money. I am running an ancient AMD phenom x2 550 and ASus mobo..really need to upgrade.
Could you advise whereabouts you bought your Intel cpu and motherboard from,?
also do I need re-format when switching or can I migrate across?
southseakid
17 Feb 16#26
haha i knew they would start giving them kingston ssds away lol
Agharta
17 Feb 16#27
Broadwell and Haswell use the same socket.
AadilF1
17 Feb 16#29
Oh silly me xD I mistook Broadwell for Skylake
Ferrari100
17 Feb 16#30
An apology is all I require.
;-)
HankMcSpank
17 Feb 161#31
As I read threads like this, I'm struck by how many men need to go out & get themselves some erhm 'sexy times' to take their mind of CPU releases .....I mean seriously poring over such minute technicalities to the nth degree suggests there's some lives that need enriching.
brilly to HankMcSpank
17 Feb 163#35
the irony of a guy not interested in such minute technicalities yet coming into this post and commenting on others lives isn't lost on me...
imdave to HankMcSpank
18 Feb 161#36
You could say the same of any hobby. Or, you know, mind your own business and not be judgemental...
ck12111
17 Feb 16#32
Is this compatible with an i5 3470?
Agharta to ck12111
17 Feb 16#33
No, that requires LGA1155 and this is LGA1150.
MannDuo
17 Feb 16#34
One of my Gaming 5's needed RMAing after a few weeks, my replacement, which I have now had for over a year, is also going faulty (on board audio no longer works, one of the usb3 ports no longer works, etc)
Very good board otherwise, i've just not had the best luck unfortunately. But that's the joys of mobos!
Opening post
Yes I know Skylake is out but unless you want to spend an extra £180 - £200 for a CPU and then £80 on the motherboard, Haswell is still pretty darn good.
Looking for a replacement motherboard and noticed the deal from around 2 to 3 months ago has come down in price from £100+ to £85 w/free 120GB SSD and free delivery.
Seems an alright deal for a decent specced board.
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Which Gigabyte board did you go for? I'm put off with the recent issues and thinking of using the MSI Gaming 5 as it's in there.
However this isn't saying the deal is bad, even though the SSD is very slow for one
edit: and I DO note you've actually mentioned a point in closing which points in the direction of "the truth" (can't think of a better way of putting that, ignore words used, read the meaning).
X99 has 2 possible improvements over skylake.
1) 2 more cores. Hex core is useful if you are doing something more than gaming as those cores will likely get used. If you are gaming, they restrict the overall processor package as it's 2 cores of extra heat you don't need when overclocking and few/almost no games will use the 6 cores. "Per core" performance is generally MUCH more important or we'd all be using AMD chips.
2) More PCIe lanes. The X99 (and previous "pro" type chipsets) have more PCIe lanes. If you want to go with more than a pair of high end cards or want a pair of cards + high end NVMe/PCIe SSD's, the extra lanes are hugely important and will help performance a lot.
So in summary, if you are onlygaming and can't afford/don't want a tri-sli or dual-sli + high end SSD, the skylake platform is both slightly cheaper AND will likely net you slightly more performance overall (more per core performance available).
If you CAN afford tri-sli/dual+PCIe SSD OR are using the PC for "serious" work as well as gaming, the X99 based setup is better.
Deal wise, I'd agree with one of the earlier comments, skylake is generally as cheap as this. Haswell, if you can find it cheap is excellent, Ivybridge or sandybridge if you can find it (even) cheap(er) is also excellent. This as a full price offering isn't all that amazing. A 120GB ssd is worth about £30, that board is a better haswell one but it's not so amazing that a cheaper skylake setup wouldn't be worth getting instead.
I had an AMD AM3+ board where the onboard sound chip had gone, had to RMA and refund and now my current Intel board (Gigabyte GA-Z87-HD3) has this weird restart bug where it'll shut down then instantly start back up. I've troubleshooted through all possible option but alas, a motherboard replacement is imminent. A friend with the equivalent chipset on the AMD side (same Gigabyte board) had the exact same issue and he ended up just replacing it for a MSI gaming board, alas no problem.
It's now put me off going back to Gigabyte.
basically if you want m.2 go z170 if you want 512gb get the 950 pro if you want just 256gb then the sm951 nvme, which is fully supported on z170, ddr4 is faster, chipset is better but a z170 board at least a good one is pricey, if you stay away from the z series of the 170 then your ddr4 is limited to 2133mhz, which is not cool any z series will allow up 4000mhz Oc ddr4.
I have a z97 asus pro cost £145 and its very good very highly rated and for gd reason, done a lot of homework before buying that, price new is much higher the last I checked, used isn't that much better as I say highly rated board.
I've also got an mitx asus z170 pro gaming which is amazing it's the perfect board for me and it has everything I need including a full size 2280 m.2 slot, cost £135, but to fair it's most likely the best board I've ever owned and that's saying something, amazing for my htpc, fast very fast, gd uefi, wireless/Bluetooth, pcie 3.0, z series chipset, usb 3.1, great audio although I just pass through raw to my 1000 watt receiver over hdmi.
I opted for the Skylake over the Broadwell because since everything was brand new, i wanted the newest tech as it is slightly more futureproof.
Intel i7-4790 (4th gen, as 5th gen is crazy expensive and 6th gen performs worse except at the highest end)
Arctic Cooling i32 cooler with 2 fans
GA-H97N-WIFI itx board
8GB (2x 4GB Kingston DDR3-1600)
Samsung 850 Evo 256GB SSD
Antec Truepower classic 750W PSU
Antec ISK600 ITX case
Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X
and a bunch of extra fans to keep everything extra cool
I don't plan on overclocking, as these components already have high clock speeds and I want them to last
If I'd tried to build a skylake version of this that performs just as well, I'd have had to add about 150 for the CPU, 45 for the board, and an extra 10-20 quid price difference for DDR4 vs DDR3 (which all current specs show similar performance between high DDR3 and current DDR4).
I'll upgrade in 12-18 month cycles (CPU/Mobo/GPU), which should put me in a spot to get decent DDR4 which shows a performance difference to DDR3, an Intel 7th gen CPU that hopefully performs better than 4th gen forchrissake (having 3 gens of similarly performing CPUs is bad form IMO), and NVMe at a reasonable price (i.e. not 2x the price of SATA6Gbps). I'd love to have 2 NVMe drives in RAID0 as Tomshardware tested.
Could you advise whereabouts you bought your Intel cpu and motherboard from,?
also do I need re-format when switching or can I migrate across?
;-)
Very good board otherwise, i've just not had the best luck unfortunately. But that's the joys of mobos!