Only applies to the Touch ID sensor and for good reason. No point in making a secure system just to allow any theif on ebay to buy a £5 off the shelf sensor and bypass it.

I'm sorry, but this is a complete non issue.

Remember iSheep; If your beloved phone happens to break, don't get it repaired at an unofficial repairers!

Apple will find out and remotely brick your phone! :stuck_out_tongue:

All the pathetic apple bashing that goes on here is embarrassing. I can just imagine the 12 year old kids sitting behind their keyboards because mummy can't afford to buy them one.

I'd rather a few cheap skates get their phones bricked rather than exposing a security vulnerability with the TouchID sensor where someone can steal my data or fingerprints.

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Even cheaper than GiffGaff, heat!

Isn't this the phone equivalent of two coke cans and a piece of string?

:neutral_face:

Remember iSheep; If your beloved phone happens to break, don't get it repaired at an unofficial repairers!

Apple will find out and remotely brick your phone! :stuck_out_tongue:

Got to be at least the 32gb for this price for me. Heat cause it's the cheapest around but 16gb is too hard to live with these days.

Hmmm.. I have this and still a great phone. But should really be 32gb at this price. My 16gb constantly nags me about space and is my only regret.

2.5 year old model with nominal gb they certainly hold their value

Apple are prats, even the moron way they announce things,get a feckin grip!
Get an android and be FREE

it's crazy they really do hold there value, I just sold a very battered two year old one for £150. once your in the apple eco system you can use the sale of your old phone to offset the cost of the newest model

Yep

https://news.google.com/news/section?q=apple+error+53

I wouldn't pay anything over £150 for a 5S that this point. Very outdated phone. Go on eBay and get a used one in decent nick instead if you want a phone this old imo.

Haha, got to love Apple and their arrogance.

"In the UK, a barrister told the Guardian that Apple’s “reckless” policy of effectively killing people’s iPhones following the software upgrade could potentially be viewed as an offence under the Criminal Damage Act 1971. The act makes it an offence to intentionally destroy the property of another."

Apple...? "Arrogant"...? Surely some mistake. :innocent:

its to do with the home buttons fingerprint scanner.. not cracked screens etc in general

I'd rather a few cheap skates get their phones bricked rather than exposing a security vulnerability with the TouchID sensor where someone can steal my data or fingerprints.

Another misinformed reader

One of the (relatively) small screen old ones: 4".

£240 from O2, cold.

Cold... it's a iPhone :smile:

Value for money . . . . cold

Walled garden so you give up your freedom of choice on this phone . . . . .cold

Is it a good deal ? . . . . Yes when compared to what you pay elsewhere . . . . . so had to vote hot

But wouldn't want one at any price unless I could sale it for a profit.

Cheaper buying from local Facebook selling pages.

£279 for a 2.5 year old phone with only 16gb storage which you'll lose most of when it updates to the latest version of iOS?

Same price in Carphone Warehouse or Currys if you want to buy from the high street (or get John Lewis to price match).

Just upgraded mine to 6s the 5s seems so bulky and dated compared to this.

All the pathetic apple bashing that goes on here is embarrassing. I can just imagine the 12 year old kids sitting behind their keyboards because mummy can't afford to buy them one.

No, it was for iPhone 6 and up (unless I'm mistaken)

Well said.

​Yes just YES.
If it's true you know what,it's true!

The cost of a top of the range android phone compared to an iphone is pretty close, my wife got a 6s for under 30 a month with tons of data and minutes in December. And there was a deal yesterday getting you a 6s for under £30 a month. Sony, Samsungs android, flagship offerings cost exactly the same on contract at places like carphone warehouse.

the Neckbeard Fanboys behaviour from users like chasolo, elevation and rodger really is sad but im sure most on here realise these are just phones it really is sad how some people get so worked up by them, that they have to troll every post.

​Anyone would hate a 40 quid phone of any make!

You can always guess what the comments are going to be as soon as you see an Apple related post; many a genius jump in happy to relay to you that the device is far inferior to what they have (despite them never owning an Apple product), happy to call you a sheep/fanboy/idiot for buying a device which isn't the same as theirs. Tales of how evil a corporation Apple is and how they are controlling your mind into buying their products. (because all other tech companies are ethical, fair trading philanthropists.)

We get it, some people don't like Apple products and their company ethos and some people do like the products and prefer them to other brands, so please spare us your predictable diatribe. Like all the posts on HUKD, if it's not for you and you don't think its good value, hit the magic cold button and scroll on. Make a comment if you feel you have a constructive comment to make about the deal/product that will be helpful to others, but please stop boring everyone with your personal opinions and insults.

THAT PRICE FOR A 5S??? FOR GET ABOUT IT & ONLY 16GB!! APPLE LOVE TO RIP PEOPLE OFF!

Apple worshipper right there ^^^^.

Non issue? A simple google search of 'Error 53' will tell you it's a very big issue, AKA Class Action Lawsuit sort of size. :smiley:

My £120 5.5", Full HD IPS, Octacore Android phone has a fingerprint sensor. Pray tell, how is a thief going to swap it out without me noticing? Break into my house at night, find my phone, then perform a Fingerprint Sensor transplant before disappearing into the night? :stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue::stuck_out_tongue:

I think this is the tip of the iceberg as smartphones start to integrate payment services/banking services/etc with higher payment limits and essentially functionality akin to your Credit Card.

There will be a price to pay for that convenience and unfortunately that price will be locking you into the manufacturers for repairs (to certain parts) and locking you out of certain freedoms with the device (rooting/jailbreaking). I can see certain application and service providers explicitly precluding messing with the operating system and actively policing this policy (with the manufacturers forced to step up their game).

For example my phone can act as a PIN sentry device for banking. The demarcation point for security has therefore shifted onto the device, where previously my Card in conjunction with a discrete PIN sentry reader marked that demarcation point. My bank certainly wouldn't allow me to get that discrete reader or card be repaired by a third party, therefore it follows that similar restrictions (on OS and security related hardware) will start to be applied to my phone.

IMO thats fair enough. In fact its one of the reasons I don't JB/root my primary devices anyway. The more important issue is that manufacturers don't use this as an opportunity to gouge consumers, since they have no competition for repairs on certain parts. Currently Apples pricing on repairs to the screen/touch ID is actually reasonable. When my friend broke his screen I couldn't find a cheaper alternative then Apple (even the parts price came close to Apples full service price). If that starts to change then I think there is far greater cause for uproar.

Ideal starter iPhone for children, OAPs or people who don't mind being a laughing stock for having an antiquated phone.

The smart money in Android phones goes on the good Chinese manufacturers. Just as good as the big makes but about 1/3 to 1/2 the price.

£259 at vodafone.

http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/pay-as-you-go/apple-iphone-5s-16gb-payg/sku80060

I think they way Apple went about it is VERY wrong and I'm not surprised people are annoyed. That said, if you think about it for a second; the finger print sensor and the bio-metric information is stored securely in a dedicated chip for security. It's well beyond the average persons capability to access this, however when you get some back street rouge to swap the touch sensor button to save yourself a few quid, it is not beyond the realms of logic that the new piece of hardware (touch sensor) could be modified to record and release the bio-metric data to an open source. For that reason I think apple are perfectly sensible to act to protect the data.

I think they should offer a much cheaper alternative to the c.£270 replacement charge though and the software should act to reject the touch sensor capabilities of affected phone rather than bricking them.

To call the 5s a brick is meaningless. I have an even older 5 (32mb) and it works well with latest IOS whereas my partner's 4s struggles though she's happy with it for her limited use.

..or, just choose not to use your phone for payments, that's what a debit/credit card is for.. No-one is forcing you to use a phone and be locked in to stuff.

Mrs. Irrelevants HTC needed a new screen, cost about £40 fitted. And HTC won't brick it.

I personally wouldnt tough a 16GB iDevice. BUt a good deal if thats all you need.

The smart money in Android phones goes on the good Chinese manufacturers. Just as good as the big makes but about 1/3 to 1/2 the price

good move as long as you never need a warranty :smiley:

No one is suggesting that someone would break into your home, sit on your bed with a DIY kit and change it in front of you!

But, should a person manage to lose their iPhone or have it stolen (common occurrences sad to say) then they would be at risk.

You might not care, perhaps you have nothing of value on your phone. As for me my internet banking, Apple Pay, business email and other important apps/information is all protected and accessed by the TouchID sensor and I for one am glad that Apple has ensured that this method is secure.

Comparing the deplorable fingerprint scanners of a typical Android handset, that do not have a secure enclave etc against that of the iPhone is just ridiculous. Numerous articles highlight just how poor the implementation of this security measure on these phones is, in effect it's a gimmick outside of the iPhone.

Doesn't it come under the screen assembly replacement cost, rather then normal out of warranty cost?

Also I guess they will refine their processes and security. But I imagine a software side embargo could be overcome by JB the device. Currently I think they employ a hardware side embargo, although they could update the embedded software in future devices to not pass any touch ID data if the sensor isn't genuine.

I just wonder why this get so hot when it was £239 for 16GB iPhone 5s at GiffGaff not too long ago. At that time, 32GB version was only £299!

"**sent from my Samdung"

I'm glad you agree.

I'll believe that when I see it. 5S internals are very outdated and if it will launch with iOS 10 it'll probably already be lagging on release. I believe Apple will bring out a budget iPhone model since their slowing growth is worrying shareholders but the specs will be better than the 5S from 2013.

If you're willing to go 2nd hand you can get some bargains on eBay for these. I paid £157 for a 32gb in top condition last week. Sure, no warranty, but including the first apple repair would still work out cheaper than this.

You are absolutely right! Considering that most of us perform Internet banking on our devices, any person that favours saving £100 over the security of their data and still wants to access financial or private data on a connected device needs a good old data breach or identity theft to get their minds in gear.

There are ways to mitigate the risk of having to pay a large repair bill if your iPhone gets damaged. I'd personally choose any of those options for the sake of maintaining data security every day.

I bet many of the people willing to disregard the security side of this issue are the same ones that access their banking data while connected to public or open Wi-Fi connections. They'll be keeping the hackers and the security professionals alike in business for a long while.

You would've thought it would be the screen cost, however if your phone is bricked because a 3rd party has tampered with it, then Apple with have nothing to do with it.

So, if you've already had the screen/button replaced outside of Apple and you take your phone to them to get the screen replaced they won't touch it and will say you need to get the device replaced. They don't want to take responsibility for a phone that has been opened by a third party.

Paid less than this for my brand new LG G4. Unbelievable how it's significantly better in every way and cost less than a very dated iPhone.

my old iphone 5 got a new screen from a dodgy guy on facebook for £35 fitted. it didn't get bricked either - funny that huh.

Got one this price at Carphone Warehouse at Christmas but didn't post it as a deal because I've seen the usually Apple deals sink!

Or Apple could do something to show it actually cares about consumers by replacing the component for a nominal fee instead of inflating the cost of the repair. Apple products are increasingly becoming disposable products when they break. Nice little earner for them.

New to HUKD but I absolutely love an iPhone deal post just because of the responses it gets. Haters it's a phone. Get over it. Android/iOS/Windows it doesn't matter. How come you never see any iOS users slating android deals

I may be wrong, but iPhone 5 doesn't have TouchID, so it won't be affected. It's 5S and above, ones with TouchID. If you're not worried about security and you have a phone with TouchID that has been tampered with, DO NOT UPDATE and it shouldn't be an issue. Personally as I use TouchID for apple pay I wouldn't risk the security issue.

I agree that the user experience on an iPhone is better. But for that marginally better UX you pay a premium and accept restrictions on how the device can be used.

Personally I don't mind the steeper learning curve of Android. It really depends how confident you are about using technology.

Lots of people can't be bothered to.deal with having to get past that extra learning, or just want something less complex.

Of course you can choose to do that. Not where the market is heading IMO, particularly the higher end smartphone business. Integration of secure payment/auth systems is the next big USP. You may not value that, but personally thats precisely the direction of travel I'm looking for.

If I'm going to carry a "smartphone" which is bigger/heavier/more power/more expensive then a dumb phone then I want more then a push for better hardware each generation. There are diminishing returns on that front for most of us. How much faster do I need a browser to run (its probably limited by my data networks latency anyway), candy crush to improve its graphics, etc. I want it to make things easier/more secure/more convenient/etc not a continual push for marginal improvements on things it already does well or worse still trivial passtimes.

A secure challenge response type auth system accepted by major institutions like banks is certainly something I'll find very very useful. And to be frank if that means on the odd occasion I break my screen it costs me more, fair enough. If I'm breaking my screen all the time (or the phone is unreliable) then thats an issue I'd have to consider regardless, because even going third party it aint cheap repairing these things.

PS with regard to your Mrs HTC not sure of the relevance. It doesnt have any touch ID type system to protect, so why would they brick it for using a third party screen? We've changed a screen on an iPhone 5 and that didn't get bricked either. And in terms of costs, I'm not sure what model/screen the HTC had. I just checked for iPhone 6 screens and Apples cost for a full service replacement seemed decent against third party costs. I haven't looked at screen costs for handsets with similar screens, so not sure if screens for iPhone 6's are expensive (third party and OEM) on a like for like basis.

The Error 53 could backfire on Apple, because it may flood the second hand (ebay) market with lots of other genuine spares, from failed iPhones. Yep, they will have a monopoly on the fingerprint reader/screen repair, wrapped up in the name of 'security', but they lose out on other repairs, due to the availability of genuine parts from error 53 iphones out there.

Competitions Watchdog need to keep a close eye on this area, because proprietary 'security feature' designs, in effect create a Monopoly for Apple and others, preventing competition. It may be necessary for Apple and others to sell 'security feature' spare parts to third parties as part of any settlement, 'at cost'.

Its been exactly the same with upgrades to Windows 10, plenty of Authentec fingerprint readers on Laptops which were running MS Windows 7/8 haven't had new Win10 drivers to enable the fingerprint reader in Windows 10. Who owns Authentec now? Apple.

Also, I looked into nitty gritty of the last Validity drivers released for Windows 8.1, there was little to no difference in the drivers for older Fingerprint readers, which shows that failing to release Win10 drivers for these older validity models, (newer models which got the 'signed' Win10 driver had the same 'unsigned' driver as older models under 8.1) was purposely done to create obsolescence. Validity is now owned by Synaptics.

Bottom line, all these multinationals are 'in' on these deceptive practices, against competition.

He hates the operating system, because its android. Not the phone itself. Apple is number 1 for a very good reason. They **** all over Android.

Apple won't repair a phone that has been tampered with by a third party. It's deemed a security risk and they want nothing to do with it, that's why they sell the refurbished ones at c.£270.

If you do break the screen then go to apple in the fist place, repairs are between c.£75-100 for a screen, which will be original OEM part and prevent your phone being bricked. Yes they have a Monopoly, but people also have a load of secure data on their phones, that they should work harder to protect.

Software such as DrFone can be used to read your iPhone back-ups, including images, contact details, app date (WhatsApp) and loads of other data... so once you leave your phone with someone, they plug it in to iTunes and have a duplicate of the phone and everything on it. Make sure you encrypt your backups (do this in iTunes) and if it was me I would wipe the phone before leaving it with anyone for repair.

Have to be a bit careful when we start talking about devices being old and slow. Best to look at some independent test results like these:
http://www.iphonebenchmark.net/passmark_chart.html
5S scores just over 4900, 6 scores just under 5300. This is a combined result of a number of tests, but you can see we're talking about 6.6% or so performance difference. If you're upgrading from an iPhone 4, let's say, it may very well be worth getting the 5S and saving the money as in practice you won't see much difference until you get up to the 6S. 16GB isn't very much in this case, but it is usable depending on what you want to do.

Can you trust Apple with your data? The victims of 'The Fappening' certainly don't now. :stuck_out_tongue:

Is anyone else sick of a deals site being hijacked by childish brand hate? No-one is forced to buy any deal on here so where is the motive? The mods need to get a grip or it will end up like a school playground again. Hardly fair on those simply trying to evaluate deals regardless of brand. Some people clearly have no idea how absurd these comments appear.

Ummmm talking to a troll in English is bleating a dead horse and a symptom of dumbnest worst than either.... :stuck_out_tongue:

Exactly, but his example was swapping a screen on an HTC. The screen has nothing to do with error53 which is replacing the touchID secure element - which is why I commented as such.

Most publicly available encryption methods can be broken.

£240 on o2 in store on o2 refresh

I wouldn't. But I may be thankful for the 'Frappening'! :confused::stuck_out_tongue:

mostly hate them (the iphones anyway) but its nice people can get a deal on an old phone that probably can't run the latest OS well at all, lol.

These are £157 on Aliexpress

Lol comment of the thread

Reverse '5S' and all your problems are sorted..........:man:

A small comment on TouchID - you CANNOT just bypass it just by replacing the sensor with a "hacked" one, that would be ridiculous.

The method would be a little more complex, I think it would be a fake sensor that always produces the same fingerprint data. The user would start their phone, the fingerprint unlocking would fail (the fake sensor sending a different fingerprint) so they would then use their PIN to access the device and go and reset the fingerprint data (thinking it needing doing for some reason). The sensor would sent it's fake fingerprint and from then on any fingerprint would unlock the phone (and do various other things).

It's easy to say "oh how or why would somebody do that to my phone" but remember that iPhones are used by all sorts of people, and it's easy to see how it could be very useful to somebody. Eg. wait for your victim to go in the gym, remove phone from locker, replace sensor/screen, replace. Wait a day or two, remove phone again and you have full access.

​Why do for keep on describing apple as a premium brand. I worked in a job centre until a few months back, and I saw many penny less / brain less people "rocking" Iphones of one gen or another.

IPhone ain't a premium brand.

The security of TouchID relies on the hardware not being compromised. Essentially compromising the OS which could be possible remotely by finding an exploit won't be sufficient. One would need physical access to the inside of the phone.

To provide a very simplistic diagram and explanation:

Touch ID Sensor ---> (Secure Enclave IC) iOS

Even if iOS is compromised the Secure Enclave IC would only give a response (think of it like a constantly changing password for the service, i.e what the chip on your credit card gives when you put in your PIN and its only valid for that one transaction) if a valid fingerprint was provided by the Touch Sensor.

So hack iOS and you can't do anything without the user having to put their finger on the sensor and if its unprompted/or they're constantly being asked they'll soon twig something is wrong. Thus making it of limited use to compromise iOS (how many transactions would you manage before the user twigs).

However, if the Touch ID sensor could also be compromised and a dummy fingerprint could be inserted into the enclave, that opens the system up. You could wire the fake touch ID sensor to send the fake fingerprint when requested by the OS. Thus allowing you to remotely access the compromised phone (by adding a backdoor in iOS) and trigger purchases /access to apps that use touch ID, etc.

If your specifically after a IPhone 5s 16gb new then this is the best price around.

But take a look at the bigger picture - you pay £280 for the phone, you then need a sim to actually use the phone let's say the your the average user then you'll spend £15pm on a sim only deal with abit of data, mins and texts, after 2 years you have spend £640 buying and running your phone with only minor resale for the phone when you come to sell it.

iPhone 6s 64gb's are going for £26pm and £75 upfront, that's with a similar amount of mins, texts and data as the sim only price. You spend £699 over 2 years and your phone is a lot better, more memory and worth a lot more during resale that will make it cheaper to run over 2 years than the iPhone 5s.

still voted Hot, but if I can help 1 HUKD user save money and get a better deal then posting this is worth it.

Can Apple tell which repair guys are the thieves?

that really is a quite stupid comment. don't smartphones ever get stolen ? or do they only get used at the owner's home ? just think, it is a MOBILE phone.

this is a security feature which is actually a very good idea. otherwise applepay would allow all the phones owner's pennies to be spent on bubble gum and fizzy drinks. also all their private data on their phone wouldn't be private any more.

so the fingerprint sensor is a security mechanism which would be useless if you could just replace it with another sensor. so littlejohnny that cannot afford an iphone... do you understand now ?

This is a deals site, it's perfectly reasonable to point out when something's a rip-off. It doesn't mean that person can't afford it, that's just a really insecure attack. Especially when you can be unemployed and deep in overdraft, and stores will still rush to stuff one into your pocket for you.

It's a simple fact to point out there are sub-£100 phones going with better internal hardware in all departments except camera, and it's also true that Apple has always used shady practices to lock people into their sales and support networks, and the error 53 thing is another example of that. You can buy one if you want, but you're getting swindled.

No, it isn't. Why don't they make it self-wipe the device if unauthorised components (e.g. TouchID) are fitted but still retain the activation lock? That way the device isn't useless and if you are the authorised user you can sign in past the activation lock and restore your latest iCloud backup. The cloak and daggers method in which this was announced stinks of them trying to make people buy new phones or pay for replacements, in the same way iOS 7 killed iPhone 4, iOS 8 slowed down 4s and iOS 9 has slowed just about everything else to the point where it's almost unusable or at the very least, annoying unless you have a top-end and recent device. Even my 6 has become 'slow' now.

The iphone 4 was released in 2010. iOS 7 over 3 years later! I think its reasonable enough to expect falling performance in hardware with the continual roll out of advancing feature OS's. The same applies for Android and Windows based hardware.

Jesus christ, the TouchID thing is an absolute nonsense, as anyone who has any understanding of technology would likely see.

Firstly, this magic replacement that is going to steal your fingerprint does not exist, nor will it ever exist, given the vast intricacies of signal processing which surround fingerprint technology. Any mischievous agent would have far more luck taking a high resolution photo or a simple dusting, both of which have be proven to overcome TouchID (Oh yes, how secure)

What is the premise? That someone installs a dodgy fingerprint reader and steals your fingerprint a) how is that handy to them after you've walked out of their electronics shop? They following you now? b) how do they get access to said fingerprint data? There are only two ways this could happen. One would be hardware which involve attaching some microcontroller/processor or FPGA with memory, power etc all fitted alongside the current phone, then they somehow have to retrieve this after the fact. The other option is software, which they obviously can't install onto your phone without access to your fingerprint. Give them your phone and there is nothing they can do.

Apple did exactly the same with 3rd party SSD support for the Macbook. Do not kid yourself this is about security. Oh BTW, plenty of chavs on the dole can afford a £30 a month iPhone, anyone that thinks owning an iPhone makes them rich obviously ain't lived much.

how does this rate vs S6 (can get for around £250?)

Cracking deal, voted hot. Unfortunately no NFC though in case you were planning on using Apple Pay.

New small-sized iPhone will be presented March/April.

https://www.giffgaff.com/apple/apple-iphone-5s/phone-details - simfree 269 only

​yet lol

Still need to buy a goodybag.

I have a £40 mobile - guess what it makes calls sends texts and can even get to the world wide web....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY4uWLOLKzU

You don't have to... It's SIM FREE which means it'd be pointless buying one. You'd have to top up if you bought the Amazon one anyway

Good to hear you are winning the oneupmanship with your 12 year old cousin, well done.

In what way is Apple number 1, in smartphone terms?

OK, I'll correct myself, if you aren't a GiffGaff user you need to buy a Goodybag.

​Your still wrong!
they're sim free so can put whatever sim card in that you like,O2,Vodafone etc

You seem confused, I never said they are locked, I'll break it down, you need to be a GiffGaff user already for the Goodybag requirement to be waived. Yes, it is SIM Free but new customers need to buy a Goodybag, it is the same as what CPW does with most pay and go phones, sell the SIM Free handset and chuck in the SIM.

That's a prediction for last year you idiot. And when did I ever say Apple was number 1 for smartphones? Learn you read. Stupid androids

4 Inch lol

When you said 'Apple is number 1 for a very good reason.' What did you mean?

iPhone 6 = £40/month, two year contract ~= £880(ish)
Android Phone* = £120, £7/month ~= £288

* = 5.5" FHD IPS, Octacore, 3Gb, 32Gb, Fingerprint, 6000mAh battery, microSD

£880 or £288, I wonder why Apple has $200+ Billion in the bank? :stuck_out_tongue:

​stumped lol

I feel bad now as I think I misunderstood - the 12 year old is your OLDER cousin, right?

For balance everyone, I'm a huge fan of Macs, have a number of them and love them all, Apple phones suck though.

wow i'm defo going for a S6. The iphone 5 is a bit lighter (but smaller too so expected).The s6 seems better in all respects.
Hold on .....my friends have all got iphones, so my mind is made up. :wink:

As a user of both Android and iOS, in my opinion, Android **** all over iOS. But both are still good.

Love the iphone but the iphone 5s sucks... you are better off with the 5c.

Wow how old is this phone now ? £270!

​Good analysis there, kudos

Still cheaper here

http://www.flipkart.com/apple-iphone-5s/p/itme8ra4f4twtsva?pid=MOBDPPZZPXVDJHSQ&ref=L%3A8874715974312480709&srno=p_1&query=iphone+5s+16gb&otracker=from-search

Same price in carphone warehouse

Let's see. Leading in profit share (around 94% of all profit in the mobile phone industry), number one in customer satisfaction across the board, lack of software fragmentation with 77% of all active devices on iOS 9 and a further 17% on last years iOS 8..... I could go on if you'd like me to?

You didn't actually just use this as a defence, did you??

Why not, it shows that people are willing to pay for quality.

You don't get it do you? If iPhones were truly high quality, they would have a relatively small profit margin, perhaps in line with the other major mobile phone brands.

The fact that they have a huge margin demonstrates that they are nothing too special, with a huge RRP.

So your logic dictates that high quality items must have razor thin margins, after all how else are they high end, surely the money should mostly go into the hardware price.

But you are ignoring the huge scale and purchasing power that Apple has.

You're also discounting that much of Apples hardware is now custom designed, meaning that they save on licensing costs etc which other manufacturers pay whilst using off the shelf parts.

Reviews consistently place iOS devices at the very top of the pack in terms of performance and build quality.

Apple charges what they charge because they know people will pay it, supply and demand and all that.

Let's face it, there isn't much completion at the high end anymore, most of the competition is aiming to the lower end of the market. Nothing wrong with that, but personally I prefer a high end device and am lucky enough to be able to afford one.

Don't they also spend a tiny chunk of their profits on R&D because they just wait until some one else comes up with an idea?

If you want an iphone that actually works as a phone then the 5c trumps the 5s hands down. Even a person such as yourself with a superiority complex cannot deny that. We had both & my 5c phone has perfect reception yet my Husbands 5s never worked properly despite getting it replace by Apple 3 times. He has now switched to Android whilst we wait for the iphone 6 to reduce in price. A metal casing & the processor speed mean **** all when you can't make or receive calls.

Certainly not against the iPhone 5c, my wife has one and is happy with it. Mobile reception is not a known major issue for the iPhone 5s, you may well have had issues but are in the minority.

Don't worry the iPhone 6 deal a few months ago got 2000 heat selling for 600 quid I thought this site was about hot deals?

silly question. Are they on the same network and used in totally the same locations or do you both work in different places ? fwiw I have a 5s on vodafone and have no repeat NO reception problems.

How old is this phone again?

Can't believe this is hot. Really old phone. Can get 2 vodafone smart ultra 6 for less than one of these. And one smart ultra 6 is twice as good

​I did actually see that once sent it,owel,no edit button on the phones,well least not on mines lol

Not full hd. No expandable storage. Metal and bendable. Half eaten apple on the back. Bezels-r-us. Infant sized keyboard. Please expire. Think of the children.

so you personally know someone that was unemployed when they signed up for an iphone with an overdraft ? really ? truthfully or an urban myth ?

I was simply mocking someone that was spouting a load of umballa and not passing any comment on the unemployed in any way. however, it seems that you do. are they the only stereotype that you use ?

what you don't seem to understand is that people buy an iphone for a complete package. phone/ ios and a system where all the apps work together and don't depend on which manufacturer and version of android they use.

personally I hated that you could download an app onto android and find it wouldn't work despite claiming to do so on that version. also a new version of android would come out and your phone or manufacturer may choose not to update to it then if ever. this would mean apps would update to the new version and then wouldn't continue to run on your phone so you couldn't update it. it's a shambles. iphone works, it has it's faults but it is the best in my view.

You remind me of Jim from American Pie...(**** in Apple based product)

Yes, I win this round :smiley:

Works for me. He got with Alyson Hannigan

but the firey bush????

how do you know she has one ?

It's an old phone now small screen

This applies not only to touch button, it also applies to screens, batteries, etc. Apple brick phones despite mounting back the old original touch button.
I had exchanged a battery and apple destroyed my phone

if yours not too bothered on second hand theres 64gb ones on ebay for the same price.

understand its not new but if your not bothered like me you have get much more memory for the same if not cheaper.

really ? I replaced a battery and apple didn't do that to me.

Btw, this is being replaced by the iPhone 5se on March 18th. Same processor as latest 6s, camera from 6, Apple Pay, unlikely to have 3D Touch which is a shame.

Bit expensive for a 5s I think. Personally I'd struggle with a 4" screen now after having a 5" screen for years now.

I paid £400 for 64gb version a year ago...

This. People really do seem to be missing the point here. in this age of your phone starting to replace your laptop/tablet in terms of surfing/mlti media use etc what use is a 4 inch screen?? My son has an LG G4 and his intended has a 5S and it really does look like a toy in comparison! It's interesting that when she is at our house she invariably nabs the G4 to surf the net/watch netfluix on. It really is madness that the G4 can be had for less than the 5S. Crazy.

PS LOL at the apple fanboy listing Apple's huge profitability as one of the reasons iphones are the best :stuck_out_tongue:

It's old in iphone terms ...cold

Main thing to say here is, don't buy a 16gb iPhone if you want anything like a large photo collection, or a lot of music, or to download iPlayer programs, or to have offline satnav. Any serious use requires 32gb.

I would say how big do you want a phone to be? Do you want to carry a tablet sized phone around with you?

Any serious use requires Android i.e. microSD card (foreign concept to Apple) my £120 Android phone has 128Gb of extra storage. :smirk:

Basically, the smart money buys Android. The sheep buy Apple, which ironic as when the first Apple Mac came out it was very much a case of "Don't be a sheep with your PC, break free and buy an Apple Mac" :stuck_out_tongue:

But this phone has an embarrassingly bad screen to body ratio of around 60%! Very poor tech by anybody's standards (even more so given the crazy asking price). Especially when some Androids are squeezing anything up to 78% screen to body ratio nowadays.

http://www.androidauthority.com/phones-highest-lowest-screen-to-body-ratios-610915/

PS For the typical iPhone buyer i feel I must explain that a higher %tage screen to body ratio means you get more screen area compared to body size :smirk:

She just seems classy

I take your point. Although it is generally later models that are now taking advantage of screen area. For that you need in general a bigger phone than the 5S. Ok the 5S could've utilised more space for the screen within the restraints of it's size but it was built with an aspect ratio in mind & familiarity so all the apps would transfer neatly from a 4 to a 5.

Just to say, when buying a phone there's a lot more to consider than screen size. Whilst some might well use their phone more for social media, movies etc rather than a laptop etc I suspect equally as many still use them more as a handy tool & not something that takes over their PC or laptop.

Even the new models have relatively poor screen to body ratios. The 6 is 67.3% and the 6S Plus 67.9%. It really isn't good enough given the claims the company make about their phones allied to the crazy prices they ask for them. The phone I've just ordered has a (2k+!) 5.5 inch screen and is almost a centimetre shorter than the 6S Plus. And it even includes a physical home button/fingerprint scanner! The fact it is less than half the price of this 5S here is mere icing on the cake :smile:

You're deluded... I own both. What does that make me? You're just an idiot who likes to stereotype

Do you plan on buying a phone and not topping up?

If I wanted to just get the phone to use with my own SIM then yes because I wouldn't have a use for the top up.

i would just buy a second hand 32gb for £140 to £200. This is definitely one of the best phone I've used.

You are indeed very fortunate to be able to afford a 'high end' £279 phone, it's a rare thing and you should count yourself very lucky.

Me, I'm stuck with a crappy HTC M8, please see a photo of it below (just ignore the £4200+ of Apple Macs and £4000 watch in the photo)

Well you can always pay an extra £10 to Amazon... Or just get the £10 goodybag and actually get something for it

Yeah, 500 UK minutes, unlimited UK texts and 1 GB UK data which I won't use anyway, thanks for opening my eyes.

If you wanted to say something helpful it would be that Android phones should ideally have 16gb ram anyway so as to work well. I have an Android too. With only 4gb ram and Android 4, it's a bit useless as many memory hungry apps are carefully programmed to not use the 32gb SD I wasted on it. Probably something to do with protecting copyrights. I kept the apps down to about 15 but it's always out of memory. Hacks can get around this but not everyone wants to hack.
If you want to invest time in saving money, enter the Android minefield. I'm beyond that now as I tend to get Apple things given to me. They work well if you can afford them, just don't go for poverty spec memory like 16gb on an iThing.

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B00FBG3KPU/ref=olp_f_new?ie=UTF8&f_freeShipping=true&f_new=true

can someone please explain why did this even get any heat at all???? this is fungus filled old rotten junk that was popular in 2014 what the hell is it getting heat for in 2016 I would rather kill myself than pay £279 for this crap ohh what is the world coming to iPhone sheep

Gosh, someone likes to flash their wealth. As it happens I have an iPhone 6 and am very happy with it thanks.

Well, it's more powerful than most of the £200-300 android handsets on the market today as they are all designed for the lower end of the market.

my 90 pound moto g 3rd gen is more capable.i had this iphone for three days.battery life is shocking.the moto g battery lasts twice as long.its waterproof to and very fast.its about time people realized how poor iphones are in relation to cost.

your experience and mine are very different. I sold my moto G and replaced it with a 5s. I went to the moto when I was broke and changed back to an iphone when I had some cash. I view this as very much an upgrade and was pleased with the change. I chose the 5s for its size and chose not to go for a 6.

it seems that you didn't optimise your 5s for battery life tho. I find it a bit less but not much and ios is significantly better than android.

The new iPhone 5se is to go on sale as early as the 18th March 2016.

Does anybody know if it will cost the same as the 5s on release?

No idea. The Express suggests a £260 to £330 range. Seems a tad low but if the 6 is priced in market at what £450 then maybe they are right. It would be a major strategy change.

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​oohh my gwwaaad you basically got raped financially

Is it worth waiting for the iphone 5se?

YES

Another 3 weeks, is not too long to wait I guess... hopefully it is not about £450 as predicted in a Telegraph article.

"iSheep : A follower of the Apple cult regardless of the usefulness or real worth of the product. Believes with without question the cult propaganda which installs the almost mythological belief that what they have just bought is the fastest or most user friendly product ever, only to be re-sold the same product, with a few minor tweaks, a few months later with the same rhetoric and complete disregard for reality. Easily mislead by their own egos and think they are being unique and innovative. Often wrong but convinced they are correct. See definition for extremist, brainwashed fukwits
That might help you understand the difference between an iSheep and somebody who isn't any other kind of sheep.

And you are a member of the genus Anti-iSheepSheep. You convince yourselves that you're of superior intelligence based purely on the fact that you choose one platform while others choose another platform based on... wait for it: their CHOICE.

Furthermore, Anti-iSheepSheep assume that all people who purchase iPhones are Apple-lovers or only purchase Apple devices. Surely, if I purchase an iPhone that must mean I own an iPod, a Mac, a Time Capsule and my house is decorated with Apples or apples right? Yes, that is testament of your superior intelligence and powers of deduction. :confused:

It's amazing how worked up people like you get over Apple devices and the people who happen to own or are thinking of owning one, yet Apple users are the extremists? For your information though, the definition of brainwashed is "pressurize (someone) into adopting radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible means". So tell me sport, aren't you trying to brainwash Apple users into adopting your radically different beliefs using systematic and forceful means?

Grow up and mind your business and stop worrying about what devices other people buy/use.

Btw, here's something some food for thought:

Did you ever stop and think for a second that many people who own iOS devices are provided with them by their companies or use them for their own work because iOS devices implement more functionality with respect to mobile device management than Android or Windows Phone devices? Actually, do you even know what mobile device management is? I would think that someone with true "C0mm0n_Sense" would not assume that they know every possible reason why a person would purchase a particular product.

There is a big difference between being provided with an Apple device by your employer and consciously making the decision to spend your own money on it.
This site is about saving money and in my opinion Apple is not in the business of offering value for money therefore any deals on Apple devices are a false economy, even if the device is heavily discounted, Apple will still grab your money by locking you into their egosystem (yes egosystem)

Errr, correction... this site is not about saving money. I think you're confusing it with MoneySavingsExpert. What is the name of this site? Hot UK Deals. The word deals is the hint and implies that this site is about SPENDING money, albeit less than you would normally spend if it wasn't a deal. I'm sure you could find many high street bank or building society websites with savings accounts to help you save money if that's what you're after.

Furthermore, so what if a person made a conscious decision to buy an Apple device. Value is relative so who are YOU to define what is value for another person? A communist? By the standards you are applying, I can argue that no smartphone is good value because surely if someone wanted a phone, there are options by Nokia that could be had for less than £10. But that's not the point is it? People buy what they want and if they come onto Hot UK Deals looking for a way to get it for less, good for them.

Must everyone comply with your likes, dislikes or opinions? Your opinion is just that: an opinion so thank you for sharing it but don't tell anyone else on this thread that it should be theirs as well. Is anyone trying to convince you to buy an iPhone?

What is your point then? You come onto a thread selling a device by a manufacturer that you loathe and spout your device-religion, trying to cram it down other people's throats. An iPhone is just an object so make your own choices and move on. Now that is "common sense".

"The word deals is the hint and implies that this site is about SPENDING money, albeit less than you would normally spend if it wasn't a deal"
To be honest i'm not sure if you're being ignorant or trolling, i never thought i'd have to ask this, but what is the end result of paying less than the recommended retail price on an item that's had it's price reduced ?

Getting a deal!

You're repeatedly commenting on the thread for a deal of an item you're not even remotely interested in and you're suggesting I'm the troll. Brilliant! That makes common sense.

Anyway, this is the last I'm saying on the matter: you make your choices and mind your business and let others make theirs unless someone asks you for advice.

"Getting a deal"
Yup as i suspected , you're an ignoramus troll! lol
Yeah everybody on this site is NOT here to make a SAVING, they're only here to "get a deal"
HaHaHa what a ****!
"you make your choices and mind your business and let others make theirs unless someone asks you for advice."
I don't remember asking for your advice on this matter, ever heard of the terms "freedom of speech" and "practice what you preach" ?

I have a 5S in top condition if you're wanting to buy.

£259 in currys