Maybe you should read this to understand running a business.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/12099760/TripAdvisor-York-Bennetts-cafe-owner-leaves-brilliant-response-to-one-star-review.html

I'll never understand why restaurant pancakes are so expensive. They cost about 5p each to make in large batches so can never justify £5+ on them. Still for a special treat maybe...?

Blank cd's are only 5p each so that means bands are overcharging for their music too... Right?

For every waiter that is customer facing there are lots more people that need to be paid who are not seen. cleaner, cook, manager, manager of manger, investor, hmrc, delivery driver (petrol/diesel aint cheap), petrol attendant, accountant, accountants staff, installers of the original furniture, bankers and their staff who lent them the money, interest on initial loan, repairman, money to franchise operator etc.
Then theres bills. rent, rates, gas, electric, safety inspection, wear and tear, water, banking charges, vat,wages, national insurance, insurance on building and people, legal possibly, breakages etc.
Most of these come with bacon etc so its not £5 for a pancake.
People seem quite happy to pay £2.50 for a coffee and I would have thought a pancake and bacon took longer to make with substantial more cost.

£1 coffee, £1 for 2 pancakes (I almost said three)

Did anyone actually go to F&B's for these in the end?

Just wondered whether the pancakes were any good or not, as most places i've had pancakes they've been a disappointment.

...I hope it's not that awful bottled or canned stuff, that only lazy bone idle folk drink (he said opening a bottle of Innis & gunn) :wink: ...but yeah, I get it completely, simple simple stuff to make are pancakes somewhat infuriating to see a big old plastic "just add water" container to shake & pour when there is a 90% hit rate you have the ingredients & can measure em out in 5 minutes from fresh.
#pointlesswaste

..although my "mule" :smile: scales do only go up to 50g in micro grammes as I recall #modernlife (nah, that's for measuring out more risky food use ingredients such as potassium nitrate, sodium nitrite etc

I hate presumptuous beer swilling louts but I don't hold that against myself :smirk: I can only see this going one way if I don't follow your advice so thanks for the advice <3

You buy pancake mix :confused: what the point in eating pancakes if all youre gona do is eat ****?

Why not spend a few minutes learning how to make fresh pancakes?

I deleted hat I said next :smile: ive had a beer and hate bone idol lazy people

Why would anyone go out to have pancakes :neutral_face:

Blank cd's are only 5p each so that means bands are overcharging for their music too... Right?

Woody!? ..that I don't get but hey, not my tastebuds, ..yes I like to play around with kitchen cupboard ingredients,...but more importantly I had a bottle of delia's caramel cheat sitting around so I thought why not, it "might" turn out to be something special...

...unlike my marmite bacon #confusedbacon :disappointed:

..honey bacon is also nice to make, mild & sweet, one of my daughters favourites.
I'm thinking that the woody taste you may have encountered was a badly smoked bit of bacon maybe!? as maple is pretty smooth tasting when it is left to be absorbed, (it dilutes) & is rinsed off,..then typically cold smoked for uk bacon (hot smoked for other countries), ...you've got me thinking something was iffy about yer bacon! :man:

You really begin to resent commercial bacon once you start making your own :smile: ...especially when you see the price of the "posh" stuff

Think I tried it once it had kind of a woody taste. (which I guess one might expect, being maple 'n' all)

Caramel bacon too? Wow! I've lived a sheltered life, I never imagined this stuff.

All these comments and still no one has mentioned how bad Frankie and bennies food is.

I was actually talking about most businesses and not in particular frankie and bennies.
The share holders which could be general people will get some of that and then the tax man will get theirs (with any luck).
99% of businesses are not that big and dont make that much profit.
It is also mega big company so maybe that is not as big a figure for that size of company and employing that many people.

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Yeah only £36.9 million in just the first half of 2015. Not as much as I thought.
I do hope the owners are scraping enough for at least a sun holiday.

I see the person or couple that sits down by themselves and order the minimum as the people who pays for the bread and butter of the business (rent/wages etc) . When groups come in they start to actually make a profit and pay for holidays for the business owner.
The business could not work with either the odd person coming in OR the occasional large party that comes in. Both are required to actually make the business work.
also with more people does means more work for staff (so you have to employ more), cooks, food, cleaners and larger premises so scaling and profit maybe not as much as you think.

And also, you can't attribute what you pay out to excuse a ridiculous price as fair.
So what if he decides to pay his staff £20 and hour. Does that then make your hot water a bargain at £4 a cup? How about if his rates are extortionate because his local council rip him off. £6 for water and lemon then a great price?
What's this got to do with f&b pancakes? lol

Surely every business follows that model? You have to take everything into account when pricing stock, including quantity you are likely to sell.

I took two home and weighed them, spooky they were within 0.5 gm of each other. Now that's portion control at its best!

American pancakes are too easy too make, they freeze well, batch make em & layer them between some greaseproof paper & stick them in a container in the freezer, typically ok for a few months, nice to have ready for a quick desert / breakfast with some fruit (if sensible). ...cheap good eats #housekeeping, & your youngster can easily sort themselves out too.

Nice change from toast or cereal, kid pleaser, ...or for adults, just add bacon! mere pence per serving.

That's fine if someone is only ordering a drink, but I'd guess many people order multiple drinks as a group and food/snacks at which point his costings would then alter to the point where he's making a very very healthy profit. If this model was followed by other businesses pound shops wouldn't exist, and supermarkets would have minimum spends and so on.

No, I like that style, likely full up, & not daft enough to leave good food on a plate. :wink:

Is that bacon & syrup on a pancake? Seems like an odd combo, anybody tried it? is it good?

Rundown in costs.
i buy ribbon from china for 1p a metre and sell for £1.50 for a metre. 1.49
import duty delivery 1p=1.48
auction site fee and paypal 20p 1.28
vat taken by hmrc 21p = 1.07
postage of ribbon Royal mail & packaging 60p =47p
cost of person to pick & pack item (wages at £8ph) 30p =17p
cost of lighting, rent, accountant, heating, computers, insurance etc etc etc 10p
7p left for me for all the work i do keeping the business running.

The actual cost of the item be it ribbon or pancake has very little end price in this case, less then 1% of the end cost..

So how much do you think a cup of coffee or pancake should cost?

These will be delivered to the restaurant ready made and frozen then re-heated to order.

As was said earlier it not just a pancake there is bacon syrup butter etc.
Some people will eat it perhaps with workmates and have a chat. Again your not just paying for the food its the facilities. room, toilets service. Again its one day a year as a treat.
And if you were charging for your time (from start to finish in making them through to washing up all the items and then putting them away, soap etc) and not just the content in making them £5 could seems cheap.

Get some good quality maple syrup!

Ever since I tried the American style pancakes I would never go back to those soggy English things. Mrs. is bacon mad so this may be an opportunity to get in her good books. :smiley:

True - but I wouldn't pay 250 for a coffee either. Whilst I fully understand the other direct and indirect costs which are necessary fora business a still can't justify the excessive pancake cost. I think perhaps their absorption costing (or other methodology) should be refined. But that said, it's obviously working for them so let them continue. As I said - it's not for me.

personally i wouldn't go out and pay that for it, but that doesn't mean im so brain dead as not to understand why they charge that. Apologies in advance if you're relient on charity.

Probably greedy music executives sanctioning any overcharging.

Excellent, so true....

I'll never understand why restaurant pancakes are so expensive. They cost about 5p each to make in large batches so can never justify £5+ on them. Still for a special treat maybe...?

all the moaning! its a pancake!! lol

Also half price all day at giraffe restaurants

For every waiter that is customer facing there are lots more people that need to be paid who are not seen. cleaner, cook, manager, manager of manger, investor, hmrc, delivery driver (petrol/diesel aint cheap), petrol attendant, accountant, accountants staff, installers of the original furniture, bankers and their staff who lent them the money, interest on initial loan, repairman, money to franchise operator etc.
Then theres bills. rent, rates, gas, electric, safety inspection, wear and tear, water, banking charges, vat,wages, national insurance, insurance on building and people, legal possibly, breakages etc.
Most of these come with bacon etc so its not £5 for a pancake.
People seem quite happy to pay £2.50 for a coffee and I would have thought a pancake and bacon took longer to make with substantial more cost.

I'm guessing they're reheated from frozen too?