​well a lumia is worse

This is the worst thing about Apple by far. This handset runs great on iOS 5, 6 and 7, beyond that it's unusable really. But the great Apple gods deem you can't downgrade so near-on brick your older handsets and devices. Even Apple evangelists, have no smart-ass answer for this.

When did eBay give 12 months warrantys out ?

Could you update us when you get the phone,? Thanks :smiley:

agree wholeheartedly. doogeedoogeedoogeedoogeedoogeedoogeedoogeedoogeedoogee. doogee.

IOS 10???
Latest release is 9.2, no idea where you get 10 from.

Sweeping generalisation. I would imagine most of "apple's (sic) customer base" would agree not necessarily a good deal. Surely the majority buy new and this appeals to other demographics? I think these days people are enlightened and avail themselves of more than one system, using whatever they see as fitting their needs.

That their products last a long time and keep their value?

or you could spend £62 on a brand new android phone with "modern specs" that in reality runs like a battered 4 year old one.

At least in the 4s the battery is easy enough to replace.

I'd probably suggest the 4s is just too long in the tooth now to be buying either as a main or backup phone. I'd go for something like a windows phone that has 4g and a new healthy battery.

Never!!