The reviews are saying poor keyboard and below average battery life but this 1080P version may be good enough in that department.

Just received mine today, ordered one of the last two in stock. Also got extra 10% from my employee portal which took me down to £495, bargain ! And the laptop itself is amazing, very smart, thin, light, touchscreen works perfect, backlit keyboard does the job and it's really quick. Great deal !

Pot, kettle, black. :wink:
Try using Music Creation software with multi-touch as it opens up new worlds.
This device is a convertible hence my references.

I agree it's not mainstream and probably never will be for good reasons but me thinks you protest too much.
It's just another option and sometimes it's a good one for SOME people. Your mileage yadda yadda yadda.

You're missing my point entirely. If you don't hold the screen in your hand then a touch screen is a negative focus whereby it forces you to remove your focus from the key input functions which are the keyboard and mouse. For example if you're using a keyboard and mouse as primary input the fact of defocusing your input temporarily away from the mouse and keyboard to perform a touch function is not productive. This is why not many laptops actually have touch screens unless the screen can be detached to be held in the hand.

You post gives examples of well established form factors and then Apple taking them onboard at a later date. A laptop with a non removable screen is not a well established form factor, it is a form factor that has failed, Apple will not take on any form factor that has failed. I can't see any reason for them to add a touch screen to a Macbook, there is simply and absolutely no reason as the form factor just does not require it. An iPad Pro is not a laptop it is a tablet, so is a Surface/Pro, they all have a touch screen which is hand held and therefore a touch screen is absolutely necessary. Form factor is the clue here and I was specifically talking about a laptop where the screen is not removable!

They have put all their touch focus on iOS and as you likely already know they have released the iPad Pro with a removable keyboard which is in affect a convertible Tablet/Laptop hybrid you could say.
But this is the same Apple that:
laughed at big phones …… and then released the 6 Plus.
laughed at small tablets …….. and then released the iPad mini.

So who knows what their initial take on a tablet/laptop hybrid will lead to?
I wouldn’t hold my breath as touch for laptops is still a niche interest maybe!
Useful for zooming with web browsers and multimedia tools. Cakewalk Sonar has multi-touch support which allows you to do things that are impossible with a mouse.
Most people don't care though.

I prefer to make up my own mind; I have free will.. may have to translate that for apple users... :stuck_out_tongue:

Also that article is very poor; more of one person's thoughts than a well rounded thought out article..

Most laptops don't have touchscreens, touchscreens are almost useless on a fixed form factor laptop.

http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/dont-buy-a-touch-screen-laptop

Given many laptops have touchscreens; it's obvious Apple can't bothered but other manufactures give their consumers a choice. Kinda says something about Apple users...

I thought it was obvious. Touchscreens aren't necessary on laptop form factors.

Easy one that; Apple are known for using older hardware and Apple users don't always demand the latest hardware? That would be my guess.

There aren't any touchscreen Macbooks or iMacs, why do you think that is? :smiley:

This is an ultrabook and not a laptop. I've been using them for a few years now and they are so light and portable. Battery life is good. Yes they are expensive but ultrabooks are high quality products. At present I use a toshiba which cost £1000 two years ago. A word of warning, the screens are fragile and very expensive to replace. I would never go back to using a laptop after using an ultrabook. On the move they are perfect as it easily slips into your briefcase. This is a good price for an ultrabook. I would also suggest that peon take a look a the latest zenbook as its a really excellent machine at a good live around £699/799

I was hesitant at first regarding screen size, but knowing it connects wirelessly to my tv for screen sharing plus 4k hdmi output, It's a good purchase. I get my portability and visual pleasure.

using the touchscreen now - on a table with no room to use a mouse so rather than using the touchpad, I use the screen; easier & quicker... I get frustrated fairly quickly using a touchpad and start wanting to use a mouse.

I get that a touchscreen laptop does not fit into your use case but that's not true of everyone; let people make their own mind based on their use case.

Macbooks don't have touch screens I believe so are a bit more limited.

I guessed that you probably know from your first thread.

This is just make clear to other people that the premium is not just for 12.5 inch size, the premium is paid for a Ultrabook.

This one could be good, good price for the specifications in a Ultrabook, reviews say the 4K version screen is even better than XPS 13. I have not seen reviews for the FHD version. If the overall build quality is good and the FHD screen is good, this price is definitely hot.

One downside to note, despite it is 12.5 inch, it is still bigger and heavier than 13.3 inch XPS. However, they are in different price range, XPS 13 cost twice much.


There are quite few ultrabooks with good screens frequently pop up here, FHD/UHD/QHD, for example, Dell XPS 13, HP Spectre X360, Asus Zenbook UX305/UX303, and Toshiba Satellite Radium 12 (4k version, I do not know about the FHD version).

HP Envy 13 and Lenovo U31 do not have as good screens, but they are cheaper.

Really nice price for the spec and size but the XPS 13 just looks so much nicer although that one starts at £999.. sigh.. Wish I could get the latest XPS 13 for this money. This Toshiba has a lovely screen and good performance though, especially so for a 12.5" laptop.

Yeah I know that.

I was just saying i want something thin and could spent a lot or a little, depending on specs. Probably spending a little based on what I need it for and how often I'll use it.

12" laptops of equivalent specs were usually more expensive than their larger screen counterparts.

For me 15" is just too big to be carrying around, even this thin, so I'm either looking at something powerful and pricey like this, or go for something cheap and cheerful like the 11.6" Acers and Asus' at around £150.

I have. The amount of times you actually need to zoom on a laptop makes a touchscreen effectively worthless. If you hold a device in your hand then a touchscreen is obviously the preferred input method, but definitely not on a laptop.

Have you ever used a touch screen device? It can be much quicker and easier to zoom using touch compared to a keyboard and trackpad. It's just another option on a laptop and even if not used so often at times from my experience it's worthwhile.
Anyway this has a tablet mode so clearly touch is very worthwhile.

I think 11.6 is the perfect size for most people

You haven't said how it's genuinely useful.

I have a touchscreen laptop (asus 15.6) and the touchscreen is quite useful so depends on personal preference....

Touch screens are useless on a laptop form factor. However my comment was a direct response to the post I replied to and has no intended favouritism to any computing platform.

No touch capability for the screen I believe so the macbook would need to be cheaper than the Tosh...

Dam auto-correct lol ultrabook

How much would you pay for an infrared?

lot of dosh for a laptop with a midget screen.

Toshiba are awful

OOS
Anyone buying anything from Currys is taking a chance with their lousy customer service and any repairs they do under warranty comes back not fixed because of their great excuse ------------------ "water damage".

https://www.facebook.com/curryspcworld/ -------------------- shocking.

Nice price for a Ultrabook.

Have seen reviews saying the 4K version's screen is even better than XPS 13. Battery is worse than XPS 13.

Have not seen review on FHD version.

what about this http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/deals-and-coupons/laptop-deals/?menu-id=laptop_deals

i dont know which to get

Yoga 3 14 or this in i7

thanks op.. been after something like this for a while. but specs or price have put me off - this fits the bill nicely, though i had to choose the next model up as this one was out of stock nice deal!

But how much will it be worth in 3 years time compared to the Toshiba? I'll guess the apple would be 800 down to 400, and the tosh 600 down to 200?

Out of stock so ordered next model up.

I think its a great size and nice spec. Great for carry round or sat at home on the sofa.

Is it worth paying another £50 for the i7 version?
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/toshiba-satellite-radius-p20w-c-103-12-5-2-in-1-10138283-pdt.html

You can get another £20 off with O2 Priority Moments - just think screen is too small - 13.3 " is ideal for me.

slightly tempted, might as well add 150 for 4k display and i7 processor, which is for 699 on Currys, although I'm worried about battery life... decisions, decisions.

Superb price, excellent alternative to the HP x360

Diddy screen. some phones are bigger lol

Refurbished P501 Sattellite, 12gb RAM, GTX 950m, i5, 128gb SSD, 4K touchscreen at Laptopsdirect for 599. worth checking.

Refurbished P501 Sattellite, 12gb RAM, GTX 950m, i5, 128gb SSD, 4K touchscreen at Laptopsdirect for 599. worth checking.

Used to have them at work. Great little laptop. And a decent price too.

I'm pretty sure it's a backlit keyboard as well