I seriously think you guys need to get the tin hats off.
9 months down the road with my Nest, I wouldn't change its smartness for any digital thermostat, I don't have to justify it, but seriously get it for a deal from npower at 130 3rd gen, plus 70 fitting. Its the best looking gadget in my house and feels like it is such good quality it will outlive the house.

I know it's a long time since this was posted... but do you use a credit card / debit card? Potentially this data is stored and mined off shore. It shows when you're out of the house. Do you have a mobile? (Even non smart phone) this will be telling a third party when you're out of the house.

Costs the same to install? Maybe, but it certainly costs a lot less to buy.
I'm just pointing out that this thing isn't quite as revolutionary as it might appear.

So do you replace your ineffective device for one that costs the same to install but isn't as flexible or invest in something that can be smart or just can be flexible without it needing to be smart. Boost button is great, and works great, but not so great when you have to boost it again when the temp drops. but it takes 45mins to get it up to temp still. I guess people just need to try these things out for themselves.

That's why digital heating programmers have had boost buttons and holiday programmes for decades.

For those of you that refer to on off switch... Imagine getting up at 4am to get ready for flight in cold house everyone morning it's cold. Quickly turn heating on for quick blast. Then panic, time is short you rush around taxi comes early you secure house only to realise your heating is on continuous for two weeks at 21c while at airport thinking Mrs turned it off. You stress about it, you worry but then you just accept its cost you around £50 and get on with the holiday. That's a one time mistake that happens to me regularly on Saturdays and weekend breaks. To be able to just turn it off will avoid a lot of grief. However, if you are smart and savvy you won't have a problem. Also, if you don't work or don't holiday or go shopping or on day trips you won't have a problem either

For multi zone heating do you just need to purchase the 'smart thermostat' everywhere or then do you need the purchase the 'tado additional thermostat'?

Had a long talk with the guys at Tado. From the outset they said they have no plans to sell the data they receive to either a direct sale or via a third party. That's the best I've got from any data based thermostat provider. The others just refer you to their TnC's where there are numerous references to the data usage outside of the company and your rights.

For me, it's just distaste that some entity outside my house is being fed with data that it has no right to have.

Which makes the Tado £230. Better to get the Hive @ £179: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B011B3J6B8/

You will need the extension kit bud at £80

Offer same guarantee
Just him and miss whether honour so worth a try

Got an offer close to 137.. are they worth over amazon (genuine question)?

Proximity is still a work in progress, not noticed it being any better but the app is easier to use, manual mode works better with options when you want it to end, you can set a timer, set it to change back at the next mode change or to stay on manual until you change it or everyone leaves. I like all of that

Couldn't stomach the price of Evohome, but it looks like the cost of remote controlled TRVs is finally becoming realistic: http://www.conrad-electronic.co.uk/ce/en/product/1378424/eQ-3-MAX-Wireless-thermostat-head

I have Evohome already, I was just seeing if Tado competed on cost with their zoning ststem.

testing.

Some of the new tado features are on the development roadmap

https://support.tado.com/hc/en-gb/articles/205505299-What-new-Features-are-planned-What-is-on-the-Development-Roadmap-

The cost isn't in the electrical part; it's in the zone valves you need to fit. If you have unused rooms the best way to save money is to use wireless (remote controlled) thermostatic radiator valves, such as Evohome mentioned above, although there are cheaper alternatives if you're technically competent.

Edit: sorry to repeat you chugerblug.

Its similar to the evo home ie you need a connected trv for each radiator in a zone. I believe it's around £60 per trv so expensive

Which sort of backs up my argument. How much is it likely to cost?

tado are introducing zoning just like the evo home for this and will be available shortly.

Good price so heat added. However, speaking as someone who massively researched all the new 'smart' heating controls on the market and eventually came to the conclusion that if you aren't zoning then most people with Tado, Nest, Hive etc won't actually save much money unless they were very profligate before purchasing, I went with the admittedly way more expensive Evohome. Products like Tado are essentially replicating the drawbacks in your current CH system (whole house on or whole house off). Who would entertain the thought of having just the one switch that turned on all their houese's lights for instance?

What's the difference between v1 and v2? Do i need the extension unit to control hot water?

There are loads of option for improving your heating control.

if you are using a fixed temp stat and a timer the first upgrade Is to a programmable thermostat.

One that allows multiple time/temp combos.
Most of those have now have extra functions like away mode, holiday mode, house heuristics.
Most of the savings can come from that simple upgrade

They are relatively cheap very reliable(*made by heating companies) and once set up just work.

For anyone with irregular patterns the smart we know your pattern won't work anyway and they still need to have other options eg. if you like different temps at different times

One thing to make sure is that any system you buy works when the internet is not live so has all the features of a standard programmable stat built in so can have a default program if your internet fails

also help to have some basic functions on the hardware like on/off boost.

If you have a water tank then a system that also has programmable thermostat capabilities for that(temp/time not just time) is worth considering.

For those still looking add OWL to the list.

none are perfect so pick what works for you.

If you want multi zone that could swing things towards a particular system.

* traditional heating controls have a long history and many are good for 20y+.
This new stuff has no history, eg how long will the relays will last.
Having on-line access to your heating can add value but be clear if you are doing it for savings, much of those claimed are based on worst cast to best case and there ere plenty of options to get much of the savings for less money .

Remember at these price points you do lock in for a few years to get payback over the simple reliable solutions..

You will be using your existing thermostat or none at all if you don't have one. I have TRVs as my thermostats.

So as you are not adding anything to your boiler controls there is nothing to be "approved".

Obviously you won't have hot water either (as boiler will be off) so its not massively suited to family use. But if you are single or a couple and work shifts or away a lot (like myself) then this is a cheap easy solution. :smiley:

Ok, thanks. I was sure there was something in my Vaillant instruction book about only using "approved" thermostats etc.

No that's fine. :smiley: Invalidate warranty on what? The S20? Yes but the are £11-£12. Boiler no. You are just powering it on or off just as you would if doing it with the fused switch. As for insurance. It's a big can of worms. All you are doing is adding a mains switching device which you are also doing with a tado, nest, hive. You could if you wish put another fused switch in before the device if you wish so you could isolate it if you wanted. I suppose for the extra piece of mind is worth the extra £5. So you are still only upto £20. :smiley:

Just wandering (and not trying to be negative, a genuine question) - would this not invalidate the warranty and cause problems with insurance ?

If all you need is to be able to turn your heating on or off via WiFi and don't need temp control or learning you can do this very cheaply, like £15.

*******Disclaimer: If you are not competent working with mains electric or can't use a soldering iron this is not for you*******

This is for people with combi boilers which have been correctly fitted on a fused spur. If you have another system it can probably be done but will differ how you do it.

Parts: Orvibo S20, 44-47mm 2gang surface mount box, 2gang cover plate. You may also need a small amount of 13A mains cable depending on how much slack there is on existing cable.

Set up S20 is any 13a socket in house.

This needs to go before the fused switch that goes to the boiler to comply with gas safe regs as you must be able to isolate the power to the boiler.

Turn off the mains at fuse box.
Test circuit so you are happy there is no power.
Cut mains spur cable/remove cable from fused switch depending on cable length.
Mount box to wall.
Dismantle plastic casing off S20. Solder incoming power cable to back of S20 and out going power to the front. Or use new bit of cable if needed.

Leave cover off and turn on mains. Now test to see if power turns on/off using app? If yes turn off mains put blanking cover on and you are done.

Now set your boiler controls so your boiler is always on and use WiFi to power it up.

While not as flexible as a full system you can do the main things like.
1)Turn heating on/off from bed.
2)Turn heating on when you set out from work.
3) Check you have not left the heating on.

Note you will loose frost protection. So if you are holidaying in the winter leave it turns on and set a normal timer, turn the heating to low etc.

As I have said its not for everybody. If its a rental its not yours to mess with. It won't be certified so if you sell you house/rent it out remove the device and make good the original work.

Once again all this work is off your own back. If you are not happy in any way don't do it. :smiley:

I've had tado since launch and think it's amazing. no longer have to think about turning the heating on or off. no wasted energy when we're all out.

if you think it's fine to get in and turn on the heating, then sit around for the first 30 minutes while the house warms up then carry on. I bet you've also never gone out and forgotten to turn off the heating as well...

it's better than all the other options out there. it's more clever. love it.

Decisions, decisions. This or the Nest.

By reading the installation instructions?

Yes me too. I don't see the point in having the house at an "ideal" temperature when you get in, because there's no such thing - if you've been walking home you will feel quite warm enough for long enough not to have had the house pre-heated. I guess If you've just come out of a hot car after a complete lack of exertion, it might be different though.

However, you have to remember that a lot of people are too lazy even to think about what their heating is doing when they're out, leaving it on a timed cycle. This way they might save something.

Putting up an opposing view is not just trolling, unless you want it to be, I suppose it fits your commanding demeanour so maybe it is to you.
I have given my own point of view without prejudice can the same be said of you?

Hotukdeals.. where you can have a huge flame war over a central heating thermostat.
Happy new year.

I think the egg is on your face, so far you have trolled every response on this thread.

If you honestly though with your responses you touted them as positive, then you'll do better with a little self reflection.

Looks good. How do I install it?

Thank you for showing your loyalty to this system and mockery of an opposing view, shows you for what you are really.
I have never said there is no market for this system, just it is a luxury, how you feel the need to mock me for that is a good measure of your smug wellbeing.

Can you explain why you seem to have lost all control?
Where on earth you get the bit about taking your boiler I don't know.
This system takes your freedom, the reason for the original abstract advert with cartoon characters was to appeal to children and distract you from the real purpose of the product, which is to control your heating when you're not there. I'd say 90% of people would be favouring cutting their bills not using it more than usual, and before you jump to their figures when money is tight people have already stopped heating the empty home before turning down the stat when at home. Now I, unlike you can't speak for yourself, but as far as saving money goes, this product you are losing control over is a lemon for the majority of homes I know.
See I didn't get personal.

When you sit down to dinner is it still Flint cutlery you use?
As you are posting on the internet I assume you've embraced some technology, so have some scope for improvement.

Tado has 2 main modes for how to hear your home. Both are pretty useless for large homes as it doesn't cater for zones yet.

Mode 1, heat your home as you arrive and turn it off when you leave. Guess what an on off switch would do the same.

Mode 2, learn how long it takes to warm your home from say 15 up to 20 degrees. Then it monitors how far you are from home. So when you get in it is already at 20 degrees for your arrival.

I for one, especially with young children want to arrive to a warm home. Waiting 30-60mins for a home to warm up isn't on my agenda. However as we are in and out at different times with a very varied schedule a normal timer doesn't suffice.

I had tado for a year and returned it. It was one of their rental style options as a deal on here. Basically it did save me money but with our house it couldn't cope with the number of rooms. As neither a single thermostat would either.

I'm now using a full Evohome system and while it lacks the geo-location it's far better for my home.

Had my tado since launch and the. Upgraded to version 2 and love it. The geofencing is perfect. We never have to worry about programming or turning off / on. We have a combi boiler and a hot water tank in our new build and works a dream. I do need a 2nd thermostat for upstairs zone. That's normally colder as I haven't (bothered) learnt how to program the standard timer up there.

Heating c

"Involved in the system, seeing the fault develop" WTF are you talking about? Nobody is taking your boiler out of the house and sitting in a server room at the other side of the country. This will simply replace a thermostat. If you're a dinosaur (and it sounds like you are) then don't buy it and stick with your good old honeywell dial, which I imaging you probably have.

Lol you're probably right, maybe it could be sold cheaper... but if someone can make it cheaper and undercut hive, nest and tado, then why aren't they? You aren't only paying for a product, you're paying for the upkeep of the service as well at this price...google, tado and hive keep their services online for us when controlling our thermostats, and the cost of these thermostats has to cover that for what could be years or even decades to come....you're not just paying for the hardware inside the box. When you go out and pay £40 for a computer game, is it just the disc you're paying for? No. You're paying for the development of the game, the distribution, the upkeep of the multiplayer servers, the patches etc etc. But of course if people on here don't like the idea, then don't buy it. My opinion is that of someone who actually owns one and has seen how good they are, rather than a sceptic sitting behind a keyboard.

So if you drive passed your home your heating comes on what a necessity, stop the PPI claims there's another biggie on the horizon...

Hi, not a great deal because it's subjective. As a rule, if you have your heating controlled via the internet you are less involved in how it happens and when it all goes wrong will be at the mercy of an emergency call out. If you are involved in operating your system, you have more chance of seeing a fault develop, more chance of being able to describe the fault to an engineer over the phone and more chance of being able to use the system whilst waiting for the repair.
I am not anti this system, but it is a luxury for people with little time and don't mind having their control overridden.

. No, you're wrong. it doesn't "put the heating on when it's not needed." It puts it on when it is needed. You can set it to how you want it... it tracks how far you are from home and will come on if you're on the way home. You can set it to economy so it'll turn the heating on when you're almost home instead if you prefer to come home to a cold house.

As I replied to AndyRoyd a reasonable suggestion. Can you expand on the understanding and knowledge of the heating bit please.

OK I've had a think about it - oh yes the free market has resulted in a plethora of Android phones matching and even exceeding the performance of iPhone, many for under £100... my point being, if that same market hasn't produced a sub£50 wifi-enabled thermostat why not?
Rab88 your comments are fascinating, but nothing you describe cannot be done with a fancy free all and chip in the unit, where are the cheaper alternatives that do the same job? Can only think there is no demand, given its hard to improve on the basic thermostat... what next, WiFi enabled peddle bin in the kitchen?

You're probably right and a reasonable suggestion. I guess I'm suckered in by the gimmick factor a bit as well as the perceived savings. I might try your method and see how I get on.

Ah, the first credible suggestion where the savings may come from for the masses with low-inertia CH systems. Rarely use the timer on my heating cos simply don't need to: manual all the way + auto frost. Very few occasions when it would take my CH system more than a few mins to bring temp to near comfort level even after extended off period, and I don't regard those few mins as an inconvenience as internal temp would still be suitably above outside ambient. Use of this device would probably marginally increase my consumption.

Just to give you food for thought, what about not setting the heating to come on in the evening and putting it on when you come home? Depending on your system this could be a pain, but these controllers are taking your need for knowledge away and making it all the more difficult for you to understand your heating system when a problem does occur.

I've been keeping my eyes on this, Nest, Hive, Netatmo etc for a while and the same comments pop up all the time about being useless. However, where I think these devices really come into their own is for people like me, who set the heating to come on and off at certain times in the evening but then find the irregular times I get home mean the heating has been chugging away for an hour or two with no one in the house. I think you'd make your money back and more over a year or two. Still undecided on which device though!

I got this equipment free when I took one year Homeserve home emergency cover. This is a fantastic technology which can save a lot of our gas heating bill. You can program easily and flexible according to your need. Super I would say. Only issue is the wireless thermostat need solar radiation to charge up. Also you can't see how much charge left in the thermostat. It is main chargeable though.

Love the comments but I'm signing out now before I get sucked into buying this, the duck on a plug and a monster pack of Ferrero Rocher. Bargains all but I don't need any of them..... or do I?...........

Just to cap it all, this advertisement for a luxury item at a lesser price doesn't belong on a money saving website, it belongs on a luxury gadget site, for people with "out of control heating systems"

Woosh.

I think you realised halfway through that ridiculous statement that you've all been had. If you don't normally put your heating on when you're not at home, and this device puts it on when not needed, the only saving would be from people who were stupid enough to be heating their house full term when they weren't at home, are you in that category?

So they tell you it learns what's best for your house? what rubbish, it learns what? If you're in can you not put the heating on? And if you're out you don't need to heat an empty house, or do you? Brainwashed, you need to see someone about your future.

I used tado for a year. good device, great support but couple of issues. replaced it with the 3rd gen Nest this week. says it all.

I have a separate water tank, does this do heating and water in the same way that Hive does?

Got one of these and it is amazing, BUT if your thermostat currently isn't wired then you'll probably want the wireless extender, which is an additional £80.

Does this require an 'extra' unit to be connected to your router ?

As I understand it a few months ago, only the Nest unit had WiFi built into the thermostat so in essence it was a self contained unit. I know that the British Gas offering (Hive) requires a physical unit to be sited close to your router ...

As I'm all for reducing 'clutter' in the house, my favourite unit is still the Nest ..

Wow, it astonishes me how often people comment on here about something they clearly know nothing about. I have this and its easilly one of the best purchases I've made this year. FYI, it uses geofencing so it knows when you/your relatives are out the home using the GPS on your phone (and uses very minimal battery if anything at all). It knows how far away you are and learns how long you take to get home, so the house can be at the perfect temp for returning (you can change this from comfort to economy etc so it doesn't heat too early). The customer service is excellent - you get straight through to an actual person right away. It CAN be controlled manually using the touch controls (long hold button and then press +/- to override). And if you find you aren't keen on the whole smart thermostat thing then you can, if you really want to, put times in it via the app and turn geofencing off. Setup is seamless - in the online instructions you put the make and model of existing thermostat, boiler etc and it tells you where to put each wires when reconnecting. So it simply replaces your existing thermostat (fits onto a standard backbox too) and a tiny box gets plugged into the router. I got it for £144.99 off Amazon in October. This deal isnt the cheapest its been but well worth it in my opinion. If not just for saving money but also for the convenience of having the house hot when you want it to be, especially if you're out and returning at irregular times.

I've had one of these now for almost a year and I think that it's great. I really like how it senses where you are and heats the house accordingly, rather than heating the house at set times.

don't get these, why so expensive? Surely it's just an on/off switch that's prompted by a temperature message from a WiFi signal ? Even if it has an internal temp detector they're not expensive, why are these not £20 tops?

4 stars for Currys? 4 out of 5 is a strong recommendation :stuck_out_tongue:

Isn't this the same price in Currys?

Flubit will allegedly well for £137

You can also consider installing the Salus set. I've been using this for 2 months now and it's decent. Purchased for 117 (the controller, the receiver and the Internet gateway). The mobile app could be much better but other than this it does what it should which is controlling the heat. I installed the receiver in the boiler myself, very easy.
Note from the manufacturer:
Designed to fit into the front of the most popular combination boilers in the UK, the SALUS boiler module simply connects via Radio Frequency (RF) to the remote iT500 thermostat unit and the gateway, which provides internet capability.

Not voted either way. May be a good deal price-wise but got quite a few negative reviews around customer service but more importantly around the issue of having no control if it loses internet connectivity.

Tado Hive and nest These devices have a by product and that is data. Hive and nest sell their data to others. Tado doesn't. We fit these on all of our installed heating system and I'm currently changing everyone I speak to who is out of their house more that in it.

The saving (to us) when we fitted the thermostat and extension kit has been a game changer in regards to saving money.

No brainer

hmmm...big problem is that it requires you not to only have to use an app to control, it also requires you to be connected to the cloud, ie internet. No local controls is a massive downer. I don't want to have to use an app every single time.

This is a deal site for people looking after the pennies, how can it be a good thing to put your heating on when you're not at home, are your bills not massive enough?
I think this a gimmick with a catchy advert to make it look good and sell something nobody needs.

Does this take 128GB SDXC cards, look a good cheap phone. Much better than an iphone.












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can you control hot water without the extension kit with v2?

Doesn't look anywhere as snazzy as the nest

ive had this since it launched in the UK in fact i waited about 4 months to get the V1 box which was great but I upgraded to the V2 and extension kit so I could still control my hot water. Works really well, they listen to the community and improve the app with the features users ask for. I am a Beta tester and the next version of the app is fantastic. No way I would be without this, I know people who have Hive and nest and this is so much better than them both.

Comparing the nest and hive just now...will take a look at this and see how it compares!

Why this over Hive?

Same price at Curry's, if anyone wanted an extra "challenge"

I'm a Hive man myself. Still this is a good price, heat.

absolutely brilliant bit of kit. I've got both the thermostat and extension kit and so far so good.

really easy to fit yourself if your half competent with a screw driver and the online instructions can't be faulted. a couple of support calls I've raised have been dealt with well too.

Had my tado for more than two years now without any problems other than those caused by my own stupidity.

They have great customer support.

i love my tado ive had it for a year no problems at all

Smart?

I asked mine, "What's ten minus seven?" and it said nothing!

That's not smart as I believe the answer may be three!

Heat added; good price, bit beffudled by the colding