​Dont believe everything you read online. There is virgin coconut oil but no such thing as extra virgin coconut oil. Its purely marketing to suck in customers.

When one refers to coconut oil as extra virgin coconut oil, the word ‘extra’ is indeed extra. The APCC does not mention anything about extra virgin coconut oil.

Anyway there is nothing wrong with KTC coconut oil unless you're a brand snob and jump on the bandwagon of oh it must be healthier if its marketed by Lucy B. Heres a review of KTC:

http://veganheath.info/ktc-coconut-oil

Its been around for decades unlike the new health fad oil that started appearing a few years ago.

If you really do want virgin written on the jar to make you feel better aldi sell a virgin coconut oil 300ml jar for £2.99.

It needs to be organic,raw and extra virgin, cold pressed too by a virgin's thighs under a full moon when there's an r in the month

Don't go around being rational. It upsets the health fad gofers on HUKD. They don't want to know that there is no chemical or health difference between this and the stuff they pay five times the price for.

Will that melts once it is heated or do you think the Best Coconut Oil will still be the melted or cold pressed ones?

Email reply to me from KTC:

Thank you for contacting KTC regarding KTC Pure Coconut Oil.

Currently KTC have two coconut oil products. Firstly, our 100% Pure Coconut Oil is a refined oil where any impurities in the raw material has been removed. As a result, this oil will not have the typical coconut taste and flavour. However, our 100% Virgin Coconut Oil is a cold pressed oil, squeezed from the flesh of the coconut and packed without further processing. The latter has a coconut taste and smell.

In terms of the 100% Pure Coconut Oil process:

The KTC 100% pure coconut oil is a refined oil where any impurities in the raw material have been removed. The refining process for coconut oil is a physical process. The purpose of refining is to remove any impurities present in the raw material to produce 100% oil. The oil itself is not affected by the refining process.
Firstly the raw material is pressed to extract crude fat. Then the crude fat undergoes three stages of processing during refining, detailed below.

Degumming
The crude fat is treated with foodgrade processing aids and/or water at a temperature around 100°C, which leads to hydration of the main part of the phosphatides, proteins, carbohydrates and traces of metals. The hydrated material precipitates from the oil and is removed.

Bleaching
The purpose of bleaching is to reduce the levels of pigments such as carotenoids and chlorophyll, but also residues of phosphatides, soaps, traces of metals and oxidation products. These trace components can have a negative effect on the course of further processing and on the quality of the final product. These substances are removed by adsorption with activated clay and silica. If also heavy polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons are present, activated carbon shall be used for their removal. The bleaching clay containing all these substances is separated by filtration. Those processes are partly done under vacuum and at temperatures below 150°C.

Deodorisation
The purpose of deodorisation is to reduce the level of free fatty acids and to remove odours, off-flavours and other volatile components such as pesticides and light polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons by a stripping media. Careful execution of this process will also improve the stability and the colour of the oil, whilst preserving the nutritional value. Deodorisation is achieved using steam under vacuum.

Regarding trans fats, all oils and fats contain naturally occurring trans fats and only exists at levels of <1% in our coconut oil. As the refining process does not chemically alter the oil itself, it does not affect the level of trans fats. In industry, trans fats are created through the process of Hydrogenation which is completely separate to the process of refining.

I hope this answers the queries that you have. Please do not hesitate to ask if you have any further questions.

Kind regards,

Dr. Ioanna Iliopoulou
Technical
KTC Edibles Ltd
Moorcroft Drive,
Wednesbury, WS10 7DE, UK

I then went on to ask if the oil had gone through any kind of hydrogenation process

No it doesn’t. The product undergoes only the process as detailed below.

Kind regards,
Dr. Ioanna Iliopoulou
Technical
KTC Edibles Ltd
Moorcroft Drive,
Wednesbury, WS10 7DE, UK

Well there we have it. Unless KTC are lying then it seems that this oil is fine to use instead of virgin coconut oil.

Nothing wrong with Saturated fat. Its all been a big FAT lie. Fat has never been the problem. Its SUGAR!

ohhh trouble in paradise. lol

well I always go for the good stuff as in this case it isn't just marketing hype.
The comments about the same fatty acid profile in both is like saying that this slice of kale is just as nutritious even though I've got a McDonald's big Mac wrapped around it. raw virgin coconut oil isn't expensive. We are just used to buy cheap refined oils that are hazardous to our health as we consume so much of it.

I didn't say the KTC was definitely hydrogenated... I was speaking more generally of the refining process and that some coconut oils can be bad stuff, but if KTC have stated that it isn't (and there is no doubt about that), then fair enough. Personally, I would always opt for an unrefined and unprocessed product, as that is always going to be safer and less of a concern, and I also really like the coconut smell/taste, which the refined stuff won't have. I have no issue paying the extra, I can afford it, and it's not like I use a whole jar in a week lol! Lasts me ages... not to mention there are always deals to be found on it, bringing that price down. Besides all this though, my issue with 'moneysavingkitten' really wasn't so much over this specific coconut oil as her attitude and ignorance towards it and saturated fat in general.

Can you please point out and show us where it states that KTC Coconut Oil has been hydrogenated? Would really like to see that information as KTC explicitly state that they do not hydrogenate their oil and it therefore contains no transfats. So please share with us how and where this information was obtained. Thanks.

so is this any good or not?

Lol, there is no "judgement" to be made, as that would suggest your comments have been left open to interpretation... on the contrary, you have made your ignorance on the subject of nutrition MORE than blatantly obvious. Back in the sand your head goes, fingers in your ears, la-de-da-da... unfortunately the world is full of people like you, which is your right of course, but PLEASE for the sake of the rest of us keep your thoughts to yourself... there are more than enough unhealthy people in this world as it is, so I will thank you for not compounding the problem.

Actually I've done much research, but I am not going to re-hash it to satisfy you. Please mind your own business, keep your judgements about me to yourself and...

Correct, and unfortunate that the onus is not on you to educate yourself and have an inquiring mind that seeks the truth. Shame. For your own sake and health however, I suggest you do some research. If you have any questions, I will be more than happy to educate you.

Nor is the onus on me. To be frank you're boring me to tears. Please stop dragging me into your 'discussion'.

The onus isn't on me to post anything scientific to be honest, but I certainly can if you would like. I've known this stuff for years, many people do... you apparently have not been paying attention and somehow are stuck in the 80's. You've intimated saturated should be avoided and coconut oil as part of that. It's hard to know where to start with this, it's just SOOOO wrong... but please, let me know any questions you have and I will provide you with scientific evidence... assuming you are interested. You haven't even explained why you think what you think... that would be a starting point.

Like I said, you haven't posted anything scientific. You've just ignored other people's questions and ranted at me for two days. Jog on.

Because you're spreading FALSE information. I believe in science, research and evidence... you apparently do not. I am not being defensive, and I am being offensive in the name of these things which you are ignoring or simply "disagree" with for reasons unknown. Of course it doesn't matter what you eat, go nuts, makes no difference to me, but keep your poor decisions to yourself and don't spread misinformation... there's enough of that out there already.

Like I said the fact the fatty acid profile is the same is utterly irrelevant given the other nasties that could be lurking within, and the way it's manufactured is very clearly just horrid.

There's TONS of evidence out there to support the benefits of coconut oil, MCT's and saturated fat in general... are you that lazy you can't look this up for yourself??

Nice edit. You haven't posted anything much scientific. The only thing you did post of any interest didn't back you up. Enjoy your expensive coconut oil.

You're very defensive, what does it matter to you if I don't believe in your health fad? You already admit the fatty acid profile is basically the same.

If you know I don't eat it, why bother with this comment?


If I wanted to eat coconut oil, which I don't. I would eat the stuff posted, however.

Seems you are getting all worked up for nothing. Eat what you want to eat and I will eat what I want to eat. It shouldn't make any difference to you what I believe if you are so convinced.

You can think Elvis lives on Mars with a family of chipmunks if you like... doesn't make it true. I didn't realise you could simply "disagree" with science and mountains of research unless you were publishing your own peer reviewed study, or at least had some significant evidence to back up your thoughts, so I await to read your findings. Might as well say you don't agree that the earth is round otherwise. Meaningless and daft.

I know you don't eat it, and the stuff in this post you shouldn't... NO ONE should, but each to their own of course.

Well, I disagree. And if you chose to read my comments properly, I don't eat it.

I'm singling you out because you made a patently false and ridiculous statement that you would avoid coconut oil because it's a saturated fat. The benefits of coconut oil are well established and backed up by scientific research.

As to the fatty acid profile, they aren't that much different, but that is NOT the point. Refined coconut oil is derived from dried coconut meat known as copra, unlike refined which is made from the fresh meat. Copra has to be purified with bleaching clays because contaminants arise during the drying process. High heat is then used to deodorize the coconut oil to remove its distinctive odor and flavor. Sodium hydroxide is often added to prolong its shelf life. To obtain the most oil, some brands use chemical solvents to extract as much oil as possible from the meat. They may partially hydrogenate the oil, too, which means in such cases it will contain trans-fats. You REALLY want to be consuming that stuff?? I know I don't!!

Really? You were asked a very reasonable question about fatty acid profiles, which you chose to ignore. You seem to be singling me out, just because I mentioned saturated fats.

Perhaps you like to explain the science behind why a cold pressed coconut oil would have a different fatty acid profile?

You are simply ignorant of science. Read up and do some research before your next post... you'll look less foolish.

I heard they even use dihydrogen monoxide in the process!

squeeze the coconut, oil comes out = extra virgin
put thru again =virgin oil
you can tell usually because its in tiny pieces rather than a block
anything else is extracted using chemicals and loses any goodness, doesn't smell of anything, becomes as hard as a rock at cool temp. most of the benefits are lost this might be good for lubricating hinges but not much else

KTC coconut oil was the first coconut oil I purchased, years ago, as it was so much cheaper than the others and I didnt know any different back then. I can confirm that this stuff is crap. No coconut smell or taste due to it being processed with solvents. Dont bother with this one. Not good.

Yes seriously, but enjoy your Pinterest health fad. The next craze will be animal fats. Mark my words.

Seriously?? The fact you are suggesting saturated fat is to be avoided only demonstrates how much reading you need to do on modern nutritional science/research. You are evidently still stuck in the 80's. You'll be saying cholesterol kills you next!

Cheers

I disagree and this article helps explain why.

Exactly how is an organic carrot better for you than a regular one for example?

So...Do I buy the Aldi one or the Sainsburys?

We give this to our dogs, about ¼ to ½ a teaspoonful with their food on the morning as it is supposed to help with itchy skin. It seems to work. Been using it for six months and just ordered a 4 x 500ml pack from amazon for a tenner.

Interesting article.

I certainly avoid refined oils though, not only due to nutrient loss and potential chemical residues.

I stick to animal fat (clarified butter mostly) for frying and roasting, butter, extra virgin olive oil or virgin coconut oil for (almost) everything else.

I agree with Jams80, this stuff isn't as good as Extra Virgin Organic

Someones got to pay for the virgins

Extra virgin cock-o-nut oil makes KTC oil sound a bit sluŧŧy

This is RBD coconut oil... Refined, Bleached and Deodorised. It is made from copra which is the dried flesh of the coconut. Why anyone would even THINK this was the same as the more expensive extra virgin stuff you pay more for is beyond me. Not EVERYTHING is a marketing gimmick you know!

Try it out in the bedroom, works wonders. Better than expensive lubricant and lasts much longer!

*DON'T use it with condoms as it may break down the latex :confused:

Thanks, I will have a look next time I'm at the big Sainsbury's :smiley:

I don't believe there is a difference in it's beneficial properties. There might be a difference in taste, but I think people misunderstand the extraction process.

Besides that, I don't buy it to eat. It's a saturated fat. You can flower that up however you want to.

Heat added OP. I hope I can find it, I haven't had any luck with Sainsbury's and coconut oil in the past. Was it in the international section?

Can you put this on your hair?

​I agree with all the brand and marketing comments. but organic is definelty better for u!

read up on coconut oil. Two types. One is good for you, the other is worse than lard. it's how it's processed.

Yes this is prob the lard version!
It needs to be organic, raw and extra virgin. cold pressed too. I buy the coconut merchant one off amazon

Same story with organic. :smiley:

Don't go around being rational. It upsets the health fad gofers on HUKD. They don't want to know that there is no chemical or health difference between this and the stuff they pay five times the price for.

Hot - As previously mentioned also £1.49 in B&M (seen in Widnes store)

Correct, this is the cheap processed version. The one you want is the virgin coconut oil. Usually twice the price of this

£1.50 each in bnm

Is this the lard stuff? Doesn't look to healthy in the jars