If you're voting this cold, can you let me know where you can get it cheaper digital?

Best to just let people pre-order what they want to pre-order.

If you don't want to pre-order, don't.

Heat added for the price.

In fact, you've got me started now so I'm going to put this whole YouTube and 'we do not pre-order' nonsense into perspective right now.

Most YT and Twitch streamers make money from two sources of revenue. The first is the obvious kickback they get from the site provider based on views and advertising. The trouble there is that you have to hit a certain number before Twitch or Google even give you anything and that initial number is significant, hence why only a few people ever actually manage to get any real money from it.

The second is from referrals to vendors, similar to how HUKD is funded. You click their affiliate link and they get a commission from Amazon/ShopTo/Kinguin/whoever from your sale. With YouTube channels especially this is now rife as it guarantees more money than ad revenue and can potentially be far more profitable for everyone concerned.

The trouble is of course that non-official gaming channels (e.g. not IGN, GameSpot, Kotaku etc) usually don't have access to pre-release code and if they do then it is almost always embargoed until release. Review embargos are now commonly only lifted on the day of or the day before release to stop smaller channels from rushing out reviews and trying to beat the official outlets to the punch.

With that in mind, it's much harder for a YT channel that makes a lot of it's revenue from referrals to sell a pre-order to it's subscribers so instead they start to bleet on about how pre-orders are spelling death from the industry and are just a way to rip people off. In fact all those channels are trying to accomplish through that is a continued secured revenue stream for themselves and, if they're lucky, a bit of free publicity.

In all honesty, I would say that YouTube is far more hazardous to the games industry than pre-orders will ever be. It encourages those with zero professional journalistic ability or integrity to share their message with the world and profit from sharing that message. In reality, that person probably has no business sharing their message with the wider public. If they did then their CV would probably have multiple entries from professional journalistic outlets on it (even as just a freelancer) rather than just including a brief stint working at McDonalds.

I know, I imagine. Xbox.com says that those additional codes will be sent a few days after Quantum Break release date. It also says that Alan Wake is available with purchase at participating retailers. That's why I am asking some sort of proof.
The fact that you have not received the code (yet) does not mean you won't ever.

Do we know (with some sort of proof, such a reliable source) if this comes with the W10 version and Alan Wake?

Note to self; just check the deals here. Do not interact with the wild life.

You could compare it to ordering a steak before it's been cooked. Oh wait... ;-)

Great deal for what looks like it's going to be a brilliant, innovative game. Really intrigued by the integrated TV show. That being said, I would imagine it's a strictly single player experience so I'll probably wait for a deal on a physical copy so I can trade it in once completed.

People do that all the time. It's called commissioning art.

my advice on this would be to wait for the game to be reviewed first, then decide if its worth the buy.

One of my most anticipated games. HEAT

If you're voting this cold, can you let me know where you can get it cheaper digital?

You can have my heat but I don't like having to pay up front for a pre order this early personally.

Technically no. They are highly regarded because they offer a good service, but their keys are not bought from publishers like the authorised key sellers.

This is a good post on the subject and lists all of the authorised and fully legal resellers.

Reason for HUKDs allowing unauthorised key sites? Well, it's all about that referal money unfortunately.

Quick, better pre-order without knowing if it's any good! Gotta get in there before those digital copies run out!!

Great Spot, Just ordered.Thanks. :sunglasses:
Another great deal for me and my gamesharing buddy !!!

I don't usually buy them myself unless they're cheap. You usually tend to learn which publishers you can trust over time as well e.g. anything from Rockstar or CD Projekt Red is probably going to be a safe bet but it's best to be fearful of the Ubisoft marketing machine.

That's the choice most people take and IMO the right choice. But some people feel all that "fluff" is worth the extra £.

I surprised people even care about pre-order bonuses. It's all just nonsense fluff anyway, I've stopped even looking at what such and such edition contains all I look for now is the bog standard vanilla edition, it has the game which is all I care about, I don't give a crap about some overpriced retailer exclusive version with some extra skins, xp boosts, weapon camos etc that's meaningless to me.

Stunning price for this game, been waiting for this since first time seen at E3 :smiley:) digital will soon overtake my physical game library

XBOX preplay and EA Access early access are the only way. I'm not trying to be a buzzkill here by stating what I think about pre-orders. I've been gaming for around 30 years and have seen how the games industry has changed and I just don't like what pre-orders, season passes and bonus content DLC are doing to games. If people are cool with pre-ordering that's fine. I'm not going to start an online petition about it but I would like people to know how pre-orders have affected gaming in the past. Hey, maybe devs have learned and changed how they run bonus content but until I see that, pre-orders are not for me.

It wasn't a good thing, you're totally right. That was a bad decision by Warner Bros and that's probably why they reversed it later on.

I think if you really feel strongly about pre-orders though (and you obviously do) then all you can really do is either choose some review source that you absolutely trust. You've already said that you don't watch YouTube gaming channels or use Reddit so you're on the right path there, respect for that. The alternative is just to buy games based upon recommendations from your mates or after you've already played a demo etc.

I think Sony were onto something with the free 1 hour trial system on PS+ but there hasn't been much of that in this generation unless you include Origin on the PC.

cheers ordered. cdkeys never let me down before

Don't watch Youtube gamers, don't use Reddit. As I said, I can make my own mind up. Feel free to disagree. Whatever. You opinion. I have mine. Just because you don't agree doesn't make me wrong.

When I say killing the games industry I don't mean single handedly. The things you mentioned there are all to be held accountable but that doesn't make pre-orders less to blame.

Dying light had an entire multiplayer mode held back for pre-order bonuses. How can that be a good thing for gaming? And to say that it's OK for devs to release broken games and then to compensate at a later date is rediculous. If they got paid after launch instead of before they wouldn't push out this sub standard tripe.

Best to just let people pre-order what they want to pre-order.

If you don't want to pre-order, don't.

Heat added for the price.

No it isn't on both counts. The last game that had a substantial pre-order bonus that I recall was Dying Light and in that case they later ended up giving the bonus to everyone anyway.

No offence intended but although you say that you can make up your own mind on things, you just seem to be re-spouting YouTuber and Reddit rhetoric as far as I can see.

Certainly not a sheep. I can make my own mind up on things. I made my initial statement about pre-orders because I fully believe it. Content is held back by devs to fulfill pre-orders. This is changing the shape of the whole games industry for the worse. If you can't see that then you, Sir are the sheep.

I understand what you're saying perfectly but the simple fact is that you are wrong.

Pre-order bonuses don't usually tend to be content that was stripped. They tend to be small addons that were created to be pre-order bonuses. There have been cases where they have been on the disc, certainly in the last generation, but I can't think of a game that has done that over the course of the last year or more.

In any case, you are always handing over money based upon what someone tells you, be that a reviewer, the publisher or some idiot with an internet account. The important difference is that the first two of those are accountable whereas the last one is not. If a game turns out to be extremely catastrophic at launch (e.g. AC: Unity or Arkham Knight for PC) then pre-order customers have been given compensation or a substantial free gift as a means of apology but that doesn't happen particularly often.

The simple fact of the matter is that it isn't killing gaming. DLC, Season Passes and YouTube/Twitch are all far more destructive than pre-ordering can ever be.

Just because you don't understand it, does not make it a stupid thing to say. Effectively this is a pre-purchase not a pre-order. Pre-orders were back in the day where demand outstripped supply. Meaning some people would have to wait to play new titles until more copies came in. So in this case you are giving someone money for something that does no exist. When was the last time you couldn't buy a new game and wished you pre-ordered? So what is the point in paying money for nothing?

Developers hold content of games back to keep them as "pre-order incentives". This is to make a pre-order appealing to people and drive up sales. If nobody pre-orders then this content will be in the base game. Majority of the time these pre-order incentives are already on the disc and the bonus content is an unlock code giving you access to it.

When you pre-order you are giving your cash to the developers based on what they tell you. They could change anything between now and launch. Look at Watchdogs. What was displayed at E3 was worlds different to what was on the disc. Yet people pre-ordered from what they saw at E3. Look at Assassins Creed Unity. The game was an unplayable mess at launch due to the crippling bugs. No way would Ubisoft pull out all stops to rectify this. They have your money and are laughing. If the pre-orders were not there they would have HAD to make the game playable before launch otherwise no one would buy it after reading reviews.

Say what you want and rush out to get your pre-order if you want but like it or not it is killing gaming and is a trend that needs to stop.

Good price, game looks very impressive.

In fact, you've got me started now so I'm going to put this whole YouTube and 'we do not pre-order' nonsense into perspective right now.

Most YT and Twitch streamers make money from two sources of revenue. The first is the obvious kickback they get from the site provider based on views and advertising. The trouble there is that you have to hit a certain number before Twitch or Google even give you anything and that initial number is significant, hence why only a few people ever actually manage to get any real money from it.

The second is from referrals to vendors, similar to how HUKD is funded. You click their affiliate link and they get a commission from Amazon/ShopTo/Kinguin/whoever from your sale. With YouTube channels especially this is now rife as it guarantees more money than ad revenue and can potentially be far more profitable for everyone concerned.

The trouble is of course that non-official gaming channels (e.g. not IGN, GameSpot, Kotaku etc) usually don't have access to pre-release code and if they do then it is almost always embargoed until release. Review embargos are now commonly only lifted on the day of or the day before release to stop smaller channels from rushing out reviews and trying to beat the official outlets to the punch.

With that in mind, it's much harder for a YT channel that makes a lot of it's revenue from referrals to sell a pre-order to it's subscribers so instead they start to bleet on about how pre-orders are spelling death from the industry and are just a way to rip people off. In fact all those channels are trying to accomplish through that is a continued secured revenue stream for themselves and, if they're lucky, a bit of free publicity.

In all honesty, I would say that YouTube is far more hazardous to the games industry than pre-orders will ever be. It encourages those with zero professional journalistic ability or integrity to share their message with the world and profit from sharing that message. In reality, that person probably has no business sharing their message with the wider public. If they did then their CV would probably have multiple entries from professional journalistic outlets on it (even as just a freelancer) rather than just including a brief stint working at McDonalds.

Nope, same here! Logged in and still not working for some reason.
Edit: Just returned to the Facebook page to get a new code and now it works!

Engines are also available off the shelf now and code reuse techniques have evolved to the point where the same game can effectively be in-house modded and resold over and over again. Ubisoft have been re-using the same Assassin's Creed code base since the mid-2000's and they have since also expanded that to Far Cry and Watch Dogs among others.

I would agree that DLC and Season Passes are far more harmful on the whole than pre-orders ever will be.

That's debatable. Who says they're more expensive? The large corps such as EA that have a vested interest in saying games cost X amount compared to games back yonder? Or do we believe the very few devs that have came out and rubbished such claims such as CD Red?

Games may have multi million pound budgets unlike years ago, but as we've seen and the figures and facts back up, the likes of Rockstar make millions upon millions back in profit, so selling games for £40 is still very profitable if not moreso than it used to be, it would seem. EA and Ubi seem to be doing grand too.

Production methods have evolved since then. For example, I suspect when games cost £60, a lot more man power was involved in producing those materials needed to put those games on. Now, more people are buying digitally, which cuts a lot of the middle men out, along with cost of materials, shipping and pressing.

£16.66 with game share each

I'm more talking about till people wait till something £10 or less, and let's be honest the price of games on the whole is a lot cheaper than it was 20 years ago , but we still have plenty of games without season passes and destiny had to be the worst culprit of all. We get the rare games like the Witcher which the season pass is well worth it's price, but most are a ripoff and have stuff that should of been in the game at the start, Star Wars battlefront I'm looking at you. But the point still stands preorder is not downfall of the game industry

At the end of the day preordering games doesn'thurt anyone so never understand why some get so upset, different strokes for different folks

Such is the pricing of games, it actually makes sense to wait for price drops. You touched upon it yourself in your post - season passes. Everyone likes to bleat about how games are cheaper nowadays than they were back yonder - relatively speaking of course. The truth is, usually to get the full experience of any given game and if you were to buy things at the highest price point, a lot of games actually cost over £80 easily. Some well over £100. Games such as Destiny close to £200.

It makes sense to wait for price drops. Even with price drops, people can still spend around £35-£40 all in.

What a stupid post, how are preorders killing the game industry? If anything people that wait for games to be reduced in price are doing more harm. Lack of originality, rushed games, season passes etc it's stuff like that that harms the industry, preordering something never harmed it and never will. Plenty of times you can get something cheaper if you preorder, lots of times retailers will Increase price at launch, and if you just wait for it to go on sale etc chances are the company will think twice about a sequel because in there eyes it's not selling

They're not. It's just that YouTuber idiots always feel the need to complain about something and sheep have a tendency to be easily herded.

Why are preorders killing the games industry?

Might sound like a stupid question but I'll ask anyway.. How do cdkeys have digital preorder codes already where the xbox site itself has not started taking preorders? Checked the page on xbox site and still says "Coming Soon"

Same here, Facebook code isn't working. Still a great deal though.

you have to be signed in to cdkeys now for the Fb code to work, cdkeys are legit, this game is still highly anticipated its God Dam remedy! and this is an amazing price. especially if you game share, also its due April 5th

Why's the Facebook code? It's not working for me. starts 27356...

Heat added, but I'm just waiting it's supposed to be out in a few months but it's already been delayed more than once I would rather wait for a solid release date

What's the story there? CDKeys aren't legit?

Pretty great price, tempting.

Not voting but it's a blind purchase that you have to pay for upfront... Not worth the risk!

Highly anticipated?
Maybe 2 years ago!

will they take payment straight away?

when is this even out?

Hopefully won't get delayed again.

Purchased. Cheers m8!

Good price OP, you may want to add the platform to the title though :smiley: